Books you won't read, and antirecommendations

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Broseph
Many people have complained about what they perceive as his arrogance. This complaint simply signals to me that they're brain-dead or clueless. Many other criticisms are valid and arguable but complaining about his "arrogant tone" just screams CUCK.
Thoughts

N.N. Taleb is perhaps the best out of 'public' intellectuals, mostly because of his references. I'm just saying there are better alternatives who are not public intellectuals (e.g., Mandelbrot himself), although perhaps not for Taleb's Twitter account.

Broke: Chomsky, Marx & Engels, Simone de Beauvoir, Ayn Rand, Steven Pinker, Richard Posner, Howard Zinn, National Review, crookedtimber.org, and Steven Spielberg as the "greatest philosopher of the 20th century".

Half-woke: John Dolan , Mark Ames, James Burnham , Murray Rothbard, Paul Gottfried, Lubos Motl, David Gelernter, "Goldman" Spengler (annoying, but often scores), Karl (son of Carl) Menger , William E. Odom, Herman Kahn , Vaclav Smil , Fernand Braudel , N.N. Taleb (will introduce you to lots of good stuff, if you happen to be a newbie), Otto Weininger (despite the silliness, he has good references), Sunny Auyang ( Link -- much, much more learned than Taleb, as is evident from simply any one of the books e.g. on complex systems or engineering ), Stanislaw Lem, Hans Kelsen, Evgeny Pashukanis .

Woke: H.P. Lovecraft (the one who most understood modernity, although his prose was often turgid), William T. Lee (one step above Odom), William H. McNeill , Burton H. Klein ( RAND articles , and on dynamic economic analysis ), David C. Stove , J.A. Schumpeter (not as 'economist', but as negative critic and general historian of thought ), Gian-Carlo Rota , V.I. Arnold (a general polymath, including in history, although the writings that reflect this are scattered ), V.M. Glushkov ( link 1 , link 2 ), Saunders MacLane (quite polymathic, though it doesn't come out in his writings), C.R. Shalizi (minus the politics that are clearly self-interested), Matteo Ricci, G.W. Leibniz as an inventor of cognitive devices (and associated contemporaries: Thomasius, Jungius, Bruno, Delgarno, Wilkins), Warren McCulloch (also known for the " MacKay-McCulloch limit "), and Salo Forum (along with the usually cited authors here: Carl Schmitt, Ernst Jünger, Michael Oakeshott, Vilfredo Pareto, and (the best parts of) Oswald Spengler). Notice none of these are "public intellectuals".

Even "broke" is worth reading. The only useful superstition is that if you laugh *really really hard* at stupid people (or stupid books), this will make you smarter.

Bob Dylan Roof spigot Welund

auteur_theory

Where does Greg Cochran fit into this taxonomy?

Thoughts
Half-woke, along with other HBD literature (Steve Sailer), or associated authors (James Bowery).

The exception is the Indian troll "godlesscapitalist" who must be classed with Ayn Rand (and is in any case, not the writer of books).
RedHand
Hunter S. Thompson

I have actually read a couple of his books but wouldn't go through another. He was very self indulgent as a writer and believed Richard Nixon was literally a Nazi plotter.

John Greene

Irritating women's writer.

Noam Chomsky

Chomsky's books on politics have very little to offer. I think he is a political fantasist.
Christopher Lasch is far superior as far as Leftist, Cold War writers go.
Llwyd Cioran

Kerouac's On The Road was the worst book I've ever read and colossal waste of time.

shkanamataee
Agreed. I picked it up while stationed in California and almost immediately regretted it as soon as I started reading. IIRC, I also got Dharma Bums at the same time. Never even opened that one.
Draugen

Never found any reason to read Noam Chomsky. He just strikes me as dishonest, an intelligent man who insists on being superficial, perhaps to appeal to a certain audience.

perkunos
I always thought David MacKay (late son of the Donald MacKay in MacKay-McCulloch) was one of the most woke thinkers of our time. I was sad to hear he passed away last year. The excerpt from the book Thoughts linked to, aka "Spikes" is also one of the few rare treasures in popular science expositions (which I learned about from Shalizi's blog). You need a bit of calculus to get the most out of it, but it is a very good book. As a complete aside, there are rate encoded neural net architectures, and there is some indication they might have some special capabilities "Deep Learning" does not. They are of course very slow to simulate on a standard computer, but there's absolutely no reason people couldn't do fast liquid state machines on an ASIC. I know a Stanford guy who did, and he's claiming some amazing things. Many people make claims of course, but I'd like to poke at this a bit. Mostly because I would love to troll Yann with a better brain in a can.

McCulloch looked pretty interesting as early neuroscientists go, and I'm sure he was a bright guy, but the problem with the first generation of cybernetics guys were all wrong about virtually everything. Claude Shannon and Kolmogorov seemed a lot less ambitious and a lot more accomplished sticking with things they can reason about without speculating too much. I used to be a big enthusiast of Herman Haken's "Synergetics" -another of those almost-science synthesis things that looked super interesting. The reality is, nothing ever came of it. Most of the work product of this field turned out to be questionable. I think one could say the same about Cybernetics, except it lasted longer.

I'll also strongly dispute Evola has anything useful to say. Esotericism is nonsense. I can prove this using the work of Claude Shannon. You make something vague and weird enough, and it pattern matches to almost everything. Meaning, it's information theoretic noise. Hence Husserl and the phenomenologist philosophers, Indian religious philosophy, and pseudo-profundities while taking LSD and sniffing glue.

Mentioning Cosma is interesting, as I know the guy vaguely. Not HPL/Burton Klein level woke, but pretty woke. A living example of the necessity of aristocracy; Shalizi is a member of the Afghan royal family. His output seemed to fall when he got married, which is unfortunate. I think he has kids now, and his wife is also proper and apparently very bright also, so we can hope for the future of his bloodline at least.

Woke post 45 Thoughts hasn't mentioned yet: Lee Kuan Yew (everything he has said or written is good), Wilmot Robertson, Gregorio Marañón, Jose Ortega y Gasset, Mishima, the entire school of information theory (Kolmogorov and Shannon schools both),
Woke pre-45: Celine, Codreneau, Baltasar Gracian, Ezra Pound, all existent Anglo Saxon and Old Saxon writing, the best known of surviving ancient Roman and Greek authors, Lord Chesterfield (embodiment of eternal Anglo -his letters to his son are Talmud for Anglos),

Semi-woke: Brooks Kubik, anyone who writes about nautical adventures, Kipling, Kantorovich and Stanford/ George Dantzig OR schools, Charles Murray, Vonnegut, H. Rider Haggard, Jeff Cooper , Dariel Fitzkee,

Shit I won't read: Dave Eggers, Margaret Atwood, Mike Cernovich, any Jewess attempting to be serious and vaguely succeeding,
Thoughts

Yup, the absurdities of early "cybernetics" are very well known and I believe Shalizi (among others) elaborated on them. A recent book (that came to my attention some years ago) attempts to diagnose (in a spotty manner) what went wrong with McCulloch's entire formulation of cybernetics. My interest in McCulloch mainly stems in how I barely noticed him until very recently, but he seems to have a very wide range of reflections on all sorts of things that are serious, including on the status of psychology or philosophy (and their interconnections) that should be grappled with -- hence, my inclusion of him in the "philosophy" sub-forum in Salo (as opposed to actually established sciences). I still haven't found time to actually read (or refute) him comprehensively. There is a German website that seems to support McCulloch, and that also link him to the heterodox thinker Gotthard Günther .

For that matter, Husserl's early (as opposed to late) work was non-esoteric and quite coherent (his "Logical Investigations" covered the same questions as Russell and Frege); up to the 1906/7 lectures that were recently translated. He definitely seems to have turned "esoteric" in his later career however; and this later led to people like Heidegger, or "esoteric" forms of phenomenology (but "phenomenology" itself was not Husserl's idea and was developed in Brentano). Say, Rota's version of Husserl (which I don't believe in) was mostly some processed version of Heidegger. I don't like Husserl; I believe he was filled with lots of "empty wind", overly theoretical circumlocutions that usually involve re-stating the same concept over and over and declaring it irreducible ("essences", Husserlian "intuitions"), but that's another matter.

On the other hand, Wittgenstein and Hegel definitely fall on the wrong side of "esoteric". These are almost definitely not worth reading; not enough reward for all the effort put in.

Von Neumann was quite "woke" about some pretentious currents in analytic philosophy, linguistics, and "almost-science" in general. Almost none of this is published: in his unpublished correspondence with Carnap, he has some quite acid comments about Carnap's ideas on information and semantics, Samuelson on economics, and much else. Much it was not published b/c excessively inflammatory, but I believe they should be published some day. Some anecdotes, however, are contained in the 4-volume McCulloch collection .

Grothendieck was quite "woke" to the widespread plagiarism and used-carsalesmanship of academia, hence his departure from the field: some of this is described in his memoirs .

But now back to the topic of this thread: among the most massively "broke" would be Bill Gates. I can understand why people refuse to read him. In his case, even his legitimate comments (say in The Road Ahead ) are completely outdated.

Ray Kurzweil's popular books (say The Age of Spiritual Machines ) are not worth reading, for the same reasons as well as a few others.