Books you won't read, and antirecommendations

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Your coy little request for me to tell you some of the "cringe-inducing ideas" he puts forward means you need to improve your reading comprehension. I said his books are cringe-inducing. Many of the ideas are correct. His books, however, are like an emaciated hunger striker wearing a muscle suit; they have been padded up so much (with superfluous fluff about his boring life, ridiculous characters meant to portray some idealised version of Taleb, etc.) to conceal a weak and pathetic core. A quote from his book of aphorisms (the existence of this book should tell you enough about him, for heaven's sake):
While this is maybe more a statement of fact than an aphoristic quip, I do wish he applied this line of thinking to his own work. He should release an abridged version of the whole 'INCERTO'. Maybe I will do it, as I am convinced I could condense books like The Black Swan down to a single chapter. All the ridiculous exaggerations, embellishments and asides do nothing to help the work, yet he will never drop these because it is all part of his contrived image/persona.

You said you 'dig' @perkunos ' post, yet seem to think the faults laid out by perkunos can be excused, or at least tolerated, because his book is aimed at the general audience and not professionals, but this is in fact the very thing that makes it a problem. He portrays himself as a lone crusader against a horde of limp-wristed retards who suffer delusions of grandeur, yet he just misconstrues people's views and popularises concepts the finance industry has known for decades.* I can't fault the man for not having any original contributions, but his fanboys think that they are being let in on these big secrets that nobody in the corridors of power has heard of, never mind can understand. This isn't even considering the possibility that some of the things he puts forward are quite hare-brained, but I'm not interested in discussing this as I only wanted to say why I won't read Taleb's books, not why I think he may be incorrect.

I'm not sure why people like you, or Broseph , buy into this idea that people are too soft to handle his apparently abrasive personality (he's a no-nonsense trader tough-guy, didn't ya know?) Most of the 'complaints' are actually jibes about how sensitive and, ahem, fragile he is, rather than crying "Oh, that Taleb, what a meanie!" I mean, can't you see for yourself how much of whiny and insecure man he is? You might say many dislike him solely because of his personality, but I actually think the opposite occurs, that more people like him solely for his personality. It's definitely won him more fans than it has lost him.
You are obviously one, but unfortunately I can't share your glee at his apparent 'bullyciding' of other figures. In the case of Steven Pinker, I suggest that you look into the pathetic reason he went at him in the first place (in defence of Malcolm Gladwell), and realise that, despite all his criticism and shit-flinging on Twitter, there is no evidence he read Pinker's book , and used fallacious arguments within his critique. It was Taleb who comes across the "raging faggot" in all this. I would also object to your belief that reading Taleb makes one 'redpilled' and 'non-pozzed', but whatever.

I don't want to go on too much because it's a bit off topic for the thread, but feel free to start a Taleb thread if you want to discuss him or his work further.


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Fat tailed distributions - Mandelbrot (1963)
Black Swans - Rietz (1988)
Non-quantifiable risk (Knightian uncertainty) - Knight (1921)
Cognitive biases - Kahneman, Tversky, and Slovic (1982)
On assumptions of normal/Gaussian distribution - Fama's thesis (1965)
Thoughts

I had a related thread many years ago:

https://salo-forum.com/index.php?threads/the-worst-books-ever.2373/

I emphasize again that I refuse to read any books (as distinct from comics that are freely available) from Scott Adams, including the upcoming one about “persuasion”:

https://www.amazon.com/Win-Bigly-Persuasion-World-Matter/dp/0735219710/
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His bag of tricks (in his blog and Twitter) is extremely simple: instead of using human reason, just retreat to making single assertions seem plausible as possible. This consists in the basic moves: reducing things, pre-emptively accusing people of things (like “cognitive dissonance”), and layers of insinuation — positive insinuation (“hey, this has NOTHING to do what what you just said. BUY MY BOOK BUY MY BOOK”), and negative (“I don’t have time to explain this to you; do your own research, buddy”).

Here’s an imaginary conversation between myself and Scott Adams:

Me: [Points to an apple.] This apple is green.

Scott Adams: That’s an absurd absolute; a tell for cognitive dissonance.

Me: Huh? Can’t you see it’s green by just looking at it?

Scott Adams: Again, *all that you are doing* is using “facts” and “logic”. Facts and logic don’t matter, JUST PERSUASION. BUY MY BOOK.

Me: I wasn’t making an “absolute” assertion, but just pointing out that an apple was green.

Scott Adams: Your response is laughable; a perfect case of cognitive dissonance. I laugh while contemplating it. By the way, you might like my book since you like apples.

Me: How is “cognitive dissonace” equivalent to making an assertion? Also, you asseriton that “all that I am doing” is something or the other is an absolute assertion, no?

Scott Adams: Again, a tell for cognitive dissonance: you don’t understand the *difference* between an *absolute* and *system*. To understand the difference, you need to read my book.

Me: Also, the notion of “goals vs systems” is an absurd absolute, since there are of course many other alternatives.

Scott Adams: Absolutely not. Systems are *way* better than goals, and I don’t have time to do your research for you. Do your own research. I along with other experts who have read up on this subject don’t have the time to explain this for you; do your own research. The best way to do that is by buying my book.

Etc. Once he ever says anything that cannot be imitated by a chatbot, then I'll change my mind.

perkunos

Against my will, I read Adams "How to Fail..." book. It was excruciating, but it had a few things in it which were actually useful. Affirmations work. Systems are more useful than goals. And some of his persuasion book suggestions were actually useful (not useful enough to buy them). I will not read any more of his unless it is a cartoon book.

FWIIW, Kahneman is a friend of Talebs. I think Kahneman is completely full of shit. His book is vacuous and terrible.

M. F. M. Osborne: woker than anything Taleb said. Also talks about pinning tails to your black duck.

I also refuse to read anything by Malcolm Gladwell. Igonvalues is an unforgivable sin. Gladwell is basically the upper middle class making fart noises at each other.

spigot

I read a few pages of Peter Watts' Blindsight at the behest of a friend and it was psychologically and philosophically trash. Nerds are smart enough to keep finding new ways to enjoy vampires and "badass" autistic protagonists but not smart enough to stop wanting to. Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End was also quite arid. Baudrillard's Cool Memories I & II are quite good in parts but I got III with the intent of scanning it ( III & IV aren't online) and it was rubbish. V continued the downward trend and was quite boring.

Infinite Jest - most of what's good of it can be found in his short stories (aside from a handful of scenes which in sum are not worth the rest of it, but which might be worth excerpting). The central message of IJ amounts to St. Augustine's line here: "The good man, though a slave, is free; the wicked, though he reigns, is a slave, and not the slave of a single man, but — what is worse — the slave of as many masters as he has vices." ...so dedicate yourself to something besides pleasure - but he never makes a clear suggestion as to what that should be. There's hints of an idea in this Gerhard Schtitt character:

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DFW knew something was wrong with America, untrammelled individualism, smothering parents, easy pleasure, easy life in general, because it fucked him up more severely than most people. He knew he was living in a culture which didn't give him the tools to resist all this, but he wasn't willing to go too far beyond what he knew. He was always too concerned with whether people liked him. Here he sees something which you can tell looks like a solution to him and he's too much of a pissant to wrestle with the implications - just a lot of umming-erring, oowee well it's pretty good but fascism's pretty scary, right guys? It's not that I want him goosestepping, it's just that he doesn't really seem to stand for anything besides the glorification of his own intelligence and for being liked. He seems to enjoy the spectacle of his confronting dangerous ideas more than the confrontation. All his positions are basically popular. He settles into a woolly pseudo-Buddhism which amounts to a painkiller - yet another painkiller. He values endurance and discipline, but has no higher aim towards which they're directed, no will to employ them - although it seems clear that he desperately wanted one.

To reiterate, his short stories are good for the most part. Brief Interviews with Hideous Men and Oblivion are worth reading. Good Old Neon is particularly good.

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Shitposters not worth the effort: Marxist historian G.A. Cohen (ideology replaces facts now?), Jeremy Rifkin, Valentin Turchin (although Turchin doesn't rate a mention in Shalizi's notebooks, his books are mostly garbage, this was the guy who made "cybernetics" equivalent to extremely vague pseudo-philosophy , combined with commonplaces and loose analogies with politics -- although, sometimes he would say something interesting), Lev Gumilev (same thing, but with "general systems theory" instead of cybernetics, unreadable gibberish), G.S. Altshuller (the "creativity as an exact science" fad), the entire cognitive science literature on " analogy " which is really dumb, Stafford Beer (skip the Beer, and drink instead people who were less sketchy: Kantorovich, Glushkov, V.S. Mikhalevich, etc).

Also, I haven't read A.T. Fomenko's book yet on revisionist chronology but from what I've heard the data it was based on was comprehensively refuted in the Russian language literature (forget the source). If I ever get interested in this topic again I'll come back to it.

Semi-woke (a mixed bag): CSP was just a metrologist who was semi-autistic and meticulous, who tried to apply this kind of thinking to philosophy and "cognitive science". In some areas this worked well (see Vol 7 in the Collected Papers, on the logic of history and also Vol 2 on inductive logic). In some areas it was inconclusive but better than alternatives ( EP Vols 1 and 2, on epistemology and the sign theory ). By "alternatives" I mean those who are analytic philosophers but not as meticulous (e.g. Bertrand Russell), or those partly superseded (Immanuel Kant). In some areas this didn't work at all: say, in his attempts to pioneer new formalisms (which were clumsy), or his efforts to analyze inherently intractible problems of pure speculation. His opinions on the "three categories" are pretty solidly refuted by D.W. Mertz as based on nothing more than confusions and a false analogy with chemical bonding. Even if it were true, however, it's nowhere near as evident as he supposes in his correspondence (or he has not made its evidence seem evident). Still, he was erudite and recovered interesting ideas by Duns Scotus and St. Augustine (on the "sign theory" that is now developed in biosemiotics, a semi-science), and some of his work on 'abduction' still looks promising. When I was reading CSP, I suspected that (by his mode of 'analysis' that was very meticulous and semi-autistic) he would have been a very good chess player -- this was then subsequently confirmed when I read the bio of him.

Avoid: his writings on the "three categories", or anything with the word metaphysics in it, avoid the volume "Chance, Love and Logic". Only stick to the ones I mentioned above (some out of print, unfortunately).

In conclusion, Leibniz >>>>>>>> CSP > Bertrand Russell > Husserl. And even Leibniz had very bad ideas often.

Broseph
A very quick reading on Beer gave me this sense as well. I'll have to give CSP a shot as I've been meaning to do for some time now.
Thomas777
I agree that Julius Evola is an overrated author and theorist, and that his legacy has been tarnished by morons who hold him out as some sort of guru and the like. That said, Men Among the Ruins is actually a great book, and its Evola's only truly political treatise. Revolt Against the Modern World is also worthwhile as a comparative theology text but there are far more worthwhile contemporaneous books (Mircea Eliade's The Sacred and the Profane comes to mind immediately).

I do think however its important not to throw the baby out with the bathwater - frankly, the study of Aryan origins , the Trifunctional Hypothesis , the theories of A.C. Cuza, Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Gobineau, the ''polar myth'' and associated concepts and areas of study remain fundamentally important subjects that are worthy of the attention of any self-identified ''man of the right'', fellow traveler or even ethically disinterested student who wishes to diligently master a curriculum that aims to flesh out the relationship between Philosophy, Philology, Nationalism, Racialism and the 20th Century political Right - and for better or worse, Evola contributed to this intellectual movement and its dishonest or at least deliberately negligent to redact him from the intellectual-historical record.

I mean, yeah there's superstition, nonsense, and laughably absurd/comically (and deliberately) arcane garbage to be discovered within this body of work but there's also real scholarship. Mircea Eliade (as mentioned), Rene Guenon, Carl Schmitt, Ernst Junger, and others gave these topics serious consideration and it can't be alleged with any modicum of sincerity that any of these men were fools, charlatans, superstitious romantics, or eccentric buffoons on the order of Aleister Crowley - I believe that alone sort of augments (if not completely acquits) some (though not all) of Evola's body of work.

Personally, I've no time at all for mysticism and that sort of thing is entirely at odds with my own cultural Traditions (Calvinist) and as I age and continue to immerse myself in the study of Historicism, Continental philosophy, the origin(s) and meaning of race (biological and ''spiritual'') etc. I've increasingly come to realize the basic significance/seminal importance of Aryan origins as a serious topic of study - both to allow for a complete picture to emerge of how Culture came to be and the Historical process concomitantly came to be implemented as well as (more intimately proximate) to understand and apprehend (conceptually I mean) how our peoples' fortunes will develop in the future and if we can in fact escape an anti-climactic and largely self-inflicted tumble towards oblivion.
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I haven't read Evola myself yet, and so decline to comment until much later. However I will make some brief remarks on a seemingly similar-in-style thinker -- that I attempted to grapple with for a long time -- who inspired my thread on the "Classification of Great Men" (especially the first post and this post ), Otto Weininger. He was a pioneer in the art of poetic classifications, and although I think his book Sex and Character was silly (resting on outmoded biology and a logical equivocation between Woman as a Platonic archetype and "actual biological women"), his later book On Last Things [Über die letzten Dinge] is much better and a taste of this is in the old thread on Dogs .

Part of Weininger's insight there was there must be some esoteric, poetic meaning to everything, including the stars, all the animals, plant life, colors, and natural settings (the lake, the river). There are: the internal and the external poetry, the exoteric and esoteric poetry, the implicit poetry turning into the explicit structured classification.

His "bad" idea was that greatness/genius was either monistic or dualistic, not pluralistic (this is expressed in his first book Sex and Character ). I hold again that the only useful dualistic distinction for "greatness" is what I have formed in that thread (the foreground/background), which is a kind of riposte that I have for monists like Weininger.

Weininger did not understand the "red", which represents fire. (He said in Über die letzten Dinge : " Red is the colour of the lower life and its pleasure. (In plants, green , the colour of static pleasure, corresponds to red , the dynamic pleasure of animals; neurasthenics are anaemic, criminals polyaemic.) Blue is the colour of the joy and bliss of the highest life.") Hence, he was extremely impressed by Richard Wagner but did not understand Wagner at all (since this means to understand the domination of the fire).

The primary question for all aesthetic philosophy is the meaning of Greatness. For that purpose I disrecommend Weininger's Sex and Character , and recommend On Last Things .

Download links for the latter:
http://www.huzheng.org/geniusreligion/lastthgs.pdf
http://bookzz.org/book/866844/4e4715

Roody

Any thoughts on Flannery O'Connor? I'm skeptical, but wonder if I'm being too harsh. The one story of hers I have read was not impressive. She has a lot of admirers, but most of those I've met I wouldn't trust on books.

My suspicion is that she, like some other writers listed in this thread, is more famous for her personality and life-story than her works. I'd love to be convinced otherwise though.

A. K. Zentradi
Go read everything she wrote.

Easily the greatest Conservative mind of her generation of Americans, and one of our best writers.