Bugman Toughguy Syndrome

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A Gleaming Leprosy

There's two kinds of violence, the structured kind and the transgressive kind. The first variety is fighting performed within a pre-defined context to settle status conflicts. The second variety violates social norms. The first kind is overt and the second kind is covert. If you want to use political violence you have to master the second kind, where 99% of the problem is avoiding legal sanction. It's really not important whether you can beat someone in a fist or knife fight, but can you murder their pets and sabotage their brake lines without being spotted by the neighbors? And do you know how to stay out of prison if you are caught?

What impresses me about antifa is that even though they may be laughably incompetent in all other respects, they understand these things at a gut level which conservatives do not. I remember watching one video where a left wing protester threw the first punch and when asked about it all of her comrades were climbing all over themselves to lie to police and say that they saw nothing. Or, when you point a camera at them, they reflexively try to obscure its view with their flags.

Thrasymachus used a ring of invisibility to make his point, not horizontal punching power.

CarlKrauch

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I guess this is also a good example for what we discuss, right ?
Derrick

Yes. That flag-carrying sperg was very effective--and annoying.

GRIDS Patient Zero
Unfortunately, I agree with this. Conservatives are dangerously naive about the nature of street violence and don't seem to understand the guerrilla tactics of antifa (which I assume they learned from their European counterparts). Conservatives are constantly playing defense and reacting to the organized violence carried out by protesters, but they're often blamed as the aggressors anyway. It's the same dynamic we see in the culture wars, but played out in physical street violence

Conservatives will have to get better at this if they want to win a long-term, low-intensity conflict. Right now, the things American normiecons do (such as stocking up on ammo) would only be effective in an apocalyptic collapse scenario. It's not a bad thing to do, but we're still a long way from the collapse. They should be thinking about intermediate measures. For awhile, they seemed to be getting better at it, but the Oathkeeper-Edgelord divide threatens to undo the progress they've made.
GRIDS Patient Zero

To answer OP's question: I feel "bugman toughguy syndrome" is ubiquitous in this day and age, and not limited to leftists. Look at the way 100-lb basic bitch white women have adopted ghetto black woman mannerisms -- these are people who have never been hit in the face before and they have a dangerous arrogance about them. Conservatives have their own version of it: MOLON LABE (you would not go to war with FEDZOG for your Wal-Mart AR-15 and you know it). Even pudgy Beltway pundits these days are going to Richard Spencer's twitter timeline to make vaguely threatening statements.

Improved security and policing -- esp. "zero tolerance" in schools -- has led to a decline in violence, ensuring most people never experience it and don't know anything about it. In the meantime, there's growing hostility between different factions in American life, and the internet has allowed us to act like humongous assholes with little/no physical consequences.

RedHand
The first "revisionist" book I ever read was David Irving's biography of Rudolf Hess. The early parts of the book discuss the fledgling Sturmtruppen / Freikorps and their armed clashes with the Communist insurgency. What comes across in the personal accounts and writing of the time is how ready both sides were to die for their cause. Both national-socialists and bolsheviks were completely conscious of the fact they might die in these clashes and had a culture that lionised it, seeing it as a necessary risk in the struggle. That's pure political militancy I think. That's what it looks like, men fearless for their piety and loyalty.

Edit: Purely political violence isn't a matter of passion (grievance, hate etc). Soldiers like Stonewall Jackson, Piet Joubert, Jacobus de la Rey, Ernst Junger or Erwin Rommel were animated by a pious sense of duty . They were able to disassociate themselves from the act of killing. Something that allows them to retain some humanity I believe, it's certainly something that comes across in Jungers account of the trenches. It also distinguishes the Taiban from ISIS imo. The Taliban were distinguished by their own deeply held, if brutal, standards of honour. ISIS are the moral and human trash of the Muslim world.
RedHand
Yes 20 something white women love to imagine they are 'fierce' until a Salafi goes HAM and detonates himself at one of their slutfest concerts.

I imagine bien pensant types standing in front of mirrors practicing roasting hot lines for when they finally meet an "anti-semite" or "hick" in real life.
Laocoon
I feel the need to post this again.

This clip should be shown in all schools, as a public service announcement, on the dangers of women fucking with fully-grown men.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/embed/9w6UUkkOmgo

P.S. I'm convinced that Sara Silverman isn't really acting in this scene. Based on how she seems to behave in real life, she's just being herself.
auteur_theory
Mostly just a lot of cuckservative posturing about "the bad muslims." It was put on by these people: http://www.actforamerica.org/

I just went because I knew it would be a good trolling opportunity, and it was close to me.

None taken, and I am certainately not a troop worshipper or anything like that.

My point is that it has less to do with anyone's relative level of "badass" and more to do with the objective and obvious differences. How does a 120 pound soy weakling think it would turn out for him if it came to blows? That's a serious question I have for these people.

Perfect example. Why didn't anyone not only hit him, but make him bite the curb? This is kind of the whole crux of what I am asking. If even a few people like this end up toothless, have their skulls fractured, end up permanently brain damaged vegetables in wheelchairs, or die, this sort of shit would go away pretty much overnight. You really think a bunch of trannies, fatties, and weaklings are going to keep this shit up once they see what the real consequences are?

I don't think we are really that far, and even if we are, I think recent history has shown us that we need to go full accelerationist, at least on this.

This is another interesting point. I had always questioned whether or not I could actually kill these people. I mean full holocaust movie scenario; they're looking up at me, on their knees, puppy dog eyes, sad music playing, quietly begging for their lives. I got my answer that day. I could very easily, and without hesitation, kill every last one of them in such a situation. I think this has something to do with their physiognymy and not exclusively their behavior.
Atomized_gibbon
Whoa, no homicidal ideation please, just rayp?