On a second reading of The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit by E Michael Jones

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Thesokorus
Roody

Scofield was a big moment for sure. But the Zionism was deeply entrenched in the elite WASPS before that via British Israelitism. J H Allen's Judah's Scepter came out a few years before Scofield as well.

And of course it was Jewish financed. Sassoon and Montefiore and Rothschild etc etc.

I will post pic later but JC Gawler in 1875 released Our Scythian Ancestors and his family was as elite as it gets (he was Keeper of the Jewels). They were also huge zioinists and in with the Sebags and Montefiores on the project.
Niccolo and Donkey
Thesokorus

This is a great thread, thanks. Primary source material makes for the best discussions.

I've been through this with others and don't take it as a vicious criticism but Marcionism is of course a heresy and for good reason: without the OT Jesus Christ would not have been able to fulfill any of the OT prophesies about His Coming. There is a reason why we revere St. Elijah, an OT Prophet, and why the Jews still revere him as well. The NT is filled with Christ telling us that He has come to fulfill the prophecy of the Coming Messiah and to bring a New Covenant. Can't have a new one without an old one existing. Can't fulfill prophecies without those prophecies never being prophesized. *taps head*

I've seen several people in my years on forums who have been focused on Jews so much that they end up going towards Marcionism without understanding the basic contradictions contained within it.

I also want to highlight this excerpt that you posted:

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This is important today in our discussions because we see WN types seek to elevate their own race to that of godhood when the fact of the matter is that Man is fallen and only God is God. This doesn't mean that we should actively reject our nations nor all that follows from that, but we are not gods nor are we God in the collective sense. Some may seek to further explore the role in biblical literalism and its inherent Judaism in respect to the rise of White Nationalism/Racialism and how the two are related. WNism is pretty much an outgrowth of British Israelism IMO.
Local Daimyo
The chapters on the Dutch-Flanders-Jewish connection during the Reformation centuries were some of the most edifying in the book. No one talks about any of that stuff.
Local Daimyo

As for the question of why God chose to make a covenant with the Jews and give them such a special role in world history, well, I don't know but I have heard some people including Dr. Jones say (not as a statement of theology or doctrine but as a sort of "folk saying") that it is proof of his power: God can dignify and use for good even these people! Similarly, I know that some medieval Church authors suggested that they remain around a sort of reminder: an example of how not to behave, and a test for Christians.

Tony
Various spins on this that I've seen:

- From Jews themselves (usually Orthodox): We were a lowly, undistinguished, un-proud people. G-d chose us, because we were the only ones humble enough to receive The Law and take it seriously.

- The Christian angle that I've heard even from nu-male politically progressive fag Christians is that the Jews were the chosen people, but pissed God off by disobeying/circumventing his laws - so he sent Jesus to Earth to tell the Jews they're not special and the old covenant with the is void; Gentiles can partake in God's afterlife kingdom.
Valley_Quail
This is one of the things that turned me off from run-of-the-mill white nationalism. This idea that in order to survive, whites must essentially become jews and deify their own race, seems disastrous to me. The modern, secular West is in need of genuine religious feeling, and I don't think we will be able to achieve said feeling (if it's possible at all at this point) with some half-assed, concocted "religion of the blood" that no one actually believes in.

The idea that the European pagan religions were actually just self-worship seems preposterous to me, also, and I think a lot of this sort of thinking is essentially applying a modern, secular worldview to ancient, religious-minded peoples.

tl;dr It makes no sense to me to rail on the many negative aspects of the jewish people/culture, and then think of ways to basically become them.
A Gleaming Leprosy

It disappoints me that (certain) WNs approach paganism from an abstract and ideological direction when the worship of Indo-Aryan deities still continues as a living tradition in other parts of the world. However, I do have a feeling that this may be the start of better things.

J-Mask {107}
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Valley_Quail
Imo the only paganism I see that has the possibility of being "believable" is of the sort espoused by pagans like Plato (and to a certain extent Julian).

I think this is evident because when I was looking into the "pre-Christian" European faiths, I often read things like "such and such deity is merely symbolic of this eternal divine force", a sort of pantheism.

There seems to be this assumption that this is how these deities were viewed at the height of these religions, and I have not seen any good evidence for this. It seems to me to be a way to pull the "I'm not religious I'm spiritual" thing, because modern Western men after centuries of monotheistic theology don't seem to be able to literally believe in a pantheon of gods.

Anyways, I like how Jones' relies on Greek philosophy to make his point that the jews are anti-Logos. Though his argument is strongly connected to the Christian faith, one can essentially keep the argument more-or-less secular I think.

I've been able to convince people I know irl that the jews are possibly a nevative force when in positions of power/control, and this argument is useful because it is one of the few that doesn't make one feel "anti-semitic" from the start.
A Gleaming Leprosy
I don't think in most paganisms it is of central importance what abstract beliefs you have. Like Taleb says, religion is primarily pisteic not epistemic. "Yoga" comes from the same Indo-European root as the word "yoke". Another hypothesized etymology gives "religion" a very similar origin to yoga, from "religare".

During the communist period Mongolian Buddhists would claim to be atheists, and this was true; they don't believe that Gods exist, because they believe Nothing exists. This does not prevent them from engaging in deity yoga where imaginary rituals are preformed, and imaginary sacrificial offerings are considered just as effective as "real" ones.