On a second reading of The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit by E Michael Jones

Thesokorus Tuesday 6 Jun 2017

Jones is incredibly critical of the Catholic Church's post Vatican II (Nostra Aetate) ecumenical project. He sees it as an almost complete victory of the Jews. But he is a loyalist and sees the future as bright because of theology more than anything.

The finale of the book is a discussion of the constant and decades long Jewish attack on the Obergammerau Passion Play. The germans have almost entirely capitulated and made it jew friendly. The jews as usual got them with money. They bought the director and the town...

However, St Mel made his movie from the original version of the play!

Thesokorus Tuesday 6 Jun 2017

I don't have the book with me, but Ralph Reed was even more philo-semitic. He was Abramoff's protege even in college and made a career of purging any jew wise republicans.

Thesokorus Tuesday 6 Jun 2017

Jones goes further, he agrees with the Talmudism take and goes on to argue that The Modern World is definitionally Jewish.

But my question was more why are they like this? It is clear they've rejected Logos and do so on a daily basis. And this explains their behavior. But why did they reject Logos?

Thesokorus Tuesday 6 Jun 2017

Valley_Quail said: ↑

I can confirm that the Catholic school I attended went to great lengths to insure we viewed the Jews sympathetically. I suppose they were concerned that we would draw the conclusion that since the Jews killed our savior, and continue to deny him, that they were to be looked down upon.

They never went so far as some of the evangelicals I know that have basically accepted dual covenant theology, but at times there seemed to be almost an unstated view that this was the case, although there were a few teachers/priests there that no doubt believed that if one was not under the Church of Rome they weren't getting into paradise.

That being said, I am amazed when I recall just how much time was spent insuring that we were all dissuaded of any possible anti-semitism. I remember learning about the Jews choosing Barabbas over Christ, and being urged repeatedly that this was the fault of the Romans not the Jews. Granted, no one at that time in that school probably gave much thought to any of that, it was all just school work and such for us.

My Catholic Grandmother vehemently disagrees with my Evangelical Aunt about the relationship between the state of Israel and Christians.

Jones discusses the story about John XXIII where he reluctantly allowed a Jew to convert and then told him he had to still be a good jew and go to Synagogue so he could go to heaven...

Thesokorus Tuesday 6 Jun 2017

Remember, they actually think like this. The actions of others confuse them because we do not assume the Chosen are superior.

Thesokorus Tuesday 6 Jun 2017

Valley_Quail said: ↑

I can confirm that the Catholic school I attended went to great lengths to insure we viewed the Jews sympathetically. I suppose they were concerned that we would draw the conclusion that since the Jews killed our savior, and continue to deny him, that they were to be looked down upon.

They never went so far as some of the evangelicals I know that have basically accepted dual covenant theology, but at times there seemed to be almost an unstated view that this was the case, although there were a few teachers/priests there that no doubt believed that if one was not under the Church of Rome they weren't getting into paradise.

That being said, I am amazed when I recall just how much time was spent insuring that we were all dissuaded of any possible anti-semitism. I remember learning about the Jews choosing Barabbas over Christ, and being urged repeatedly that this was the fault of the Romans not the Jews. Granted, no one at that time in that school probably gave much thought to any of that, it was all just school work and such for us.

My Catholic Grandmother vehemently disagrees with my Evangelical Aunt about the relationship between the state of Israel and Christians.

The thing is, anyone who looks even half-way seriously at the JQ realizes they deserve an epic ass-kicking. And I think most Catholic schools are 40% jewish in the US anyway...

Valley_Quail Tuesday 6 Jun 2017

Yes there were a few Misch kids in my grade, at least one of which who had a parent that hadn't even converted.

Roody Wednesday 7 Jun 2017

I'm sure it's been mentioned on here before, but the Christian Zionism (oxymoron?) among American Evangelical Protestants can be traced to the Scofield Bible.

Scofield compiled a hugely popular Bible, one of the first to include commentary and notes explaining certain passages, words, etc. It was capitalizing on the nineteenth century's historical analysis of the Bible, and takes basically a Talmudic approach to Scripture. The commentary promote an essentially Zionist/millenarian view of the Jews and the Apocalypse. I'll confirm later, but I remembered running across the fact the the project was financed primarily by a Jew.

The Scofield Bible became the handbook for the evangelical preacher of the 20th century. I suspect it benefited from a general turn towards manicheanism in the same place and time, as shown, for example, by the temperance movement.

On a second reading of The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit by E Michael Jones

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