The German Election Thread - now for real.

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Western Goals Germany
Indeed. Herbert Gruhl, Baldur Springmann, August Haußleiter...
The Green state association in West Berlin was dissolved by the party leadership, because it was perceived to be infiltrated by "neo-nazis". Some organizations on the communal level in Berlin thus still call themselves "Alternative Liste".
Local Daimyo
I just thought about this post again. These two, Petra and Gert, really are some kind of symbol of modern Germany. Feminist workaholic daughter of an occupying US general. Ex-Wehrmacht officer, haunted by the war, who is now suicidal and getting dragged into leftist insanity by his woman, and trying to convince himself its a good idea. It's like you turned the entire national character of Germany into two real people. The concerning bit is the murder-suicide at the end of their story. We've seen what happens when Germany tries to do a national murder-suicide a few times before, it ain't pretty.

Also, according to this, Petra's stepbrother was killed in Vietnam . Not sure if that's significant at all but it seems interesting.
Emmanuel Macron
Tbe lack of any obvious motive is supicious. Although a counterpoint to your argument.
It isn't that they are german. It is that they are from bavaria. A place that only grows bad seeds. And sows suffering, death and worst of all individualism upon the world
popfop
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There a few issues as play when we discuss the German Greens and Green Parties in general. The first thing to recognize is that postwar German was/is an occupied country and because of this no political party would be allowed to arise organically. Secondly, the Stasi infiltration of the German anti-nuclear movement (one major movement out of which the Greens came) is a matter of public record and is even featured as a plot element in the television series Deutschland 83. This of course makes perfect strategic sense from the perspective of the DDR as it encouraged the radical youth of the Federal Republic to call for a disarmament of their military nemesis as well as become exposed to potentially anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist ideas. There are plenty of valid criticisms of the Soviet and Eastern Bloc regimes but one thing I will concede to them is that their intelligence services acted in respect to their national interest. I cannot say this about Western intelligence agencies whose motives are usually a lot more shadowy and when they can be discerned are for the benefit of monied interest groups. As to the CIA infiltration of the German Greens I know nothing about this but it wouldn't surprise me, especially given the geopolitical subjugation of West Germany to the USA which would mean that their political system was essentially a laboratory for various sociopolitical experiments.

With that said, I wouldn't be so quick to judge leftist lunacy as necessarily an effect of para-state subversion. The Greens (and the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament) were products of a Western non-communist (New) Left. Left non-communist radicalism like Right anti-communism was big on what it was against but not so clear as to what it was for which inevitably leads to a vacuum. Extreme anti-national and ethno-masochistic attitudes were of course encouraged in postwar Germany on both sides of the wall though history has shown that the West was a lot more successful at it. Indeed, there was even discussion at the beginning of the partition about a " German path to socialism ." The disturbing issue of pedophile liberation is a bit more complicated and as far as I can tell in no way serves the strategic interests of various intelligence agencies. Instead, it seems that pedophiles piggybacked off of sexual liberation politics, particularly gay politics, with a reasonable degree of inclusion at least until the 1990s. Germany, like the UK, has as a history of politicized sexual libertinism going back to the early 20th century. In fact the gay rights movement can in many ways be traced back to early 20th century Germany with a libertarian-libertine journal put together by Egoists Adolph Brand and John Henry Mackay, the latter also being a pederast.

Lastly, I want to draw attention to the fact that while green politics are ostensibly situated on the Left, many of their views and histories share more with the Right. Germany even has a party called the Ecological Democratic Party which is promotes ecological policies in addition to being pro-life and immigration restrictionist. In the UK, the Ecological Party, a forerunner to the Green Party, was started by Tony Whittaker, a former Conservative Party member. He also championed basic income, zero growth and was very critical of socialism (here defined as technocratic social-democracy). His introduction to environmentalism was A Blueprint for Survival by Edward Goldsmith.
Western Goals Germany
The ÖDP was founded when conservative and right-wing members left the Green Party in 1982, and under the leadership of Herbert Gruhl, the party championed these views. However, faced with criticism, it adopted a hard stance against the political Right in 1989 (Gruhl left 1990). The ÖDP is still slightly critical of abortion and opposes undemocratic european integration policy, but at the same time it is explicitly pro-immigration:
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Amadis
Great post but a quick correction - it was the Ecology party (itself the successor to the People party). My grandfather was a candidate for it in the 70s.
Western Goals Germany

One important source of the Green Party has not been mentioned yet: the K-Gruppen , the small but, in the 70s, widely known retro-Stalinist ("anti-revisionist") parties and sects. At the time of the Green Party's founding, these groups had been driven to seemingly absurd positions due to the geopolitical development, and nearly all of were on the verge of collapsing.
The most important factions were:

-KPD-AO (Dengist, dissolved 1980)
-KPD-ML (Hoxhaist)
-KBW (no formal allegiance after the fall of the Khmer Rouge, dissolved 1983)

They had tried to infiltrate the trade unions in the 70s (not unsuccessfully in the long run), and now their members were entering the Green Party en masse, despite the fact that there wasn't any discernable ideological connection. The K-Gruppen had mocked the ecology movement, which they considered to be technophobic, and were mostly in favour of nuclear energy. They were opposed to the what would become the Peace Movement, instead taking a strong "anti-imperialist" (i.e. anti-Soviet and anti-GDR) position, ecouraging their members to join the Bundeswehr , demanding a unified Germany, sometimes coming close to open support for the NATO alliance. As authoritarian, centralist organizations, they were strictly against any notion of antiauthorianism or grassroots democracy. What most other leftists perceived as oppression of women and sexual deviants was disregarded as "Nebenwiderspruch" .
These seasoned operatives, ready to cast away most of their ideological believes, would become the backbone of the pragmatic, power-oriented wing of the Green Party (the only wing left now).

popfop

Regarding the strange deaths of Petra Kelly and Gerd Bastian, I found the following from Lobster Magazine , a UK publication that focuses on conspiracy theories, with special attention to the intrigues of British and American intelligence services:

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Frauke Petry won’t be AfD’s lead candidate in German election
Petry said she is not available for the job.

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Frauke Petry, one of the leaders of Germany’s far-right Alternative for Germany party, said Wednesday she will not be the party’s lead candidate in September’s election.
Petry, part of the AfD’s leadership team since 2015, said in a video message on Facebook that she is “not available either as top candidate or as part of a team.” She said her move was motivated by “pressing issues” such as the direction of the party.
Internal struggles about the party’s leadership and future course have been raging for months.

Björn Höcke, a lawmaker in the regional parliament of Thuringia, has accused Petry of trying to split the party. Höcke was earlier this year sanctioned by the party for making anti-Semitic comments. (See Salo Content on this here )

Latest opinion polls suggest the AfD would get around 10 percent of the vote, behind the Christian Democrats (34 percent) and the Social Democrats (30.5 percent).
The AfD will this weekend hold a party conference in Cologne to discuss its election program.
J-Mask {107}
I wonder (((who))) made the decision to put a Goldman Sachs dyke in charge of the party.