France 2017 Election Thread

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chairman
The political party able to successfully unite the perfectly compatible coalition of socially moderate-to-slightly-conservative types with nationalist leanings (a large number of people who are not particularly ideological or political) and populists who want worker-friendly policies and strong social security provisions will be politically unstoppable. I believe the elite are very cognizant of this and keeping it from happening is one of their primary goals, and likely a major motivator for pushing the race/gender insanity we've seen over the last couple years and decades to keep these blocs apart.

It will be a hard journey to do but I think this is very much Florian Philippot's goal, who is something of Marine Le Pen's eminence grise and despised by the more traditional anti-Communism market-liberal strain of the FN (whose favorite is Marion).
WiRE

So are you saying the FN has a chance to win using this in the next election? Or do you mean longer term that that is the goal?

Isn't France pretty much fucked if they dont get very very serious yesterday? People have made it sound like the country is headed for civil war in 10-15 years. And if anyone but FN wins, arent they just going to keep the mudslimes pouring in?

My friend went to Paris and said its a shithole. Like a 3rd world country. Too bad i always wanted to go.

Saruman

Even though I am a election nerd and find observing them very fun, I doubt that many of France's problems (and Western Europe's) can be solved by the electoral process at this point. Even if the best case scenario happens and someone like Marine Le Pen wins the Presidency AND the FN is able to implement some sort of program (pretty big long-shot) it would probably be too soft to solve any of France's conundrums. I mean, is there anyone in Europe proposing stripping those of non-European ancestry of citizenship and encouraging them to self-deport? Because that's what Europe needs right now if it wants to escape a nasty future.

Instead, what will happen is Europeans will have to learn some lessons that us in the Southern United States learned from centuries of living with a large alien and oftentimes hostile population nearby. Mainly that 1). Miscegenation (especially with white women) need to be relegated to social unacceptability. 2). Europe needs to start discovering the virtues of armed self-defense with deference given to the defender. 3). Also with regards to #2, crime, especially violent crime, has to be put down with heavy-handedness, even to this day, 80% of executions in the US are done in the South. Historically, the death penalty was a useful tool to keep slaves and their descendants quiet. Unfortunately, the death penalty has been watered down so much today that it is not a effective deterrent anymore.

Dogmatic Tower
They say the real France is found in the provinces anyway. That's probably true of all countries.
Welund
#2 is true, Europe may be stuck with an Islamic minority indefinitely Gypsy-style. but #1, this approach / criticism doesn't make any sense in that once in office the overton window isn't just pushed by the winner or even at all, but by the reaction to him. Hostile previously cryptid Jews identifying themselves ((())), overt anti-White attitudes among liberal and minority plantation groups, are what we already seeing. Putin is almost rehabilitated among the American right simply because the CIA-media's concerted effort to fabricate election hacking nonsense. Polarization still holds in the Kwa but Trump pulled out the rug from under the media. Europe also doesn't have as many birthright-given non-European citizens. (This varies and there were many amnesties and colonialized that came in though, with rights)

But I suspect it's taken for granted how much ideological and material support support these populations receive and require to exist at a large number. Once that momentum is shifted in the other direction -- and European peoples begun the ideological implosion before these people arrived -- there is a lot of leeway as to how much could be changed.
Saruman
I'd agree with all of this, my first paragraph didn't mean to suggest that elections don't matter or whatever. They definitely do, and we should want people like Le Pen or the PVV to do well (no matter how many memes it takes!). All I aimed to do in that passage is combat the notion that "this is Europe's LAST chance" to avoid a horrible fate by voting for Le Pen/whoever. That die has been cast already and they will have to deal with the effects of it.
Saruman

UMP (now they call themselves Les Républicains) on the left, PS on the right. Results from 2012.

Sarkozy's strongest region was Alsace, while Hollande's was Limousin.

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Jargon

As someone pretty much ignorant about French politics, it looks like Fillon's hat has been thrown into the ring to dilute Le Pen's vote and save the upper-class Right from the unpleasantness of shaking a coarse and gritty hand.

Local Daimyo

With each passing day I'm growing more and more certain that ISIS is holding their fire in France & the Low Countries to avoid tipping the election to Le Pen. Beginning with Charlie Hebdo in January 2015, the operational tempo for Islamist terrorism in France & Belgium was quite high, if you count small attacks that were quickly forgotten (a stabbing here, a shooting of a single cop there), rather than just the big ticket attaqs (Batalcan, Nice, Brussels, Charlie Hebdo). They averaged about once a month, until the summer of 2016 ended, at which point France quieted down.

Given the scale and sophistication of the Bataclan operation and the jihadi underground in France, Belgium and Germany (this week Belgian police arrested over a dozen people accused of making fake documents for jihadists) I find it unlikely that the sudden decrease in operational tempo is due to exhaustion of resources, like a lack of guns, explosives and willing martyrs.

Saruman