Islamist Wave 2013 - Overview & Updates

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Theo

No link, no name of the plan... Sure, why would anyone want to check?


By August, 1945 Stalin had only 43 transports in the Pacific (tank carriers and troop carriers) and almost all of them - from Lend Lease. How could he "finalize" anything, when he simply didn't have the carriers to deliver army to the war theatre? And how do you expect him to organize a "thrust onto the very mainland of Japan" with no transports and no land border?

For comparison - D'day had almost a hundred times more transports (~4300) participating in initial invasion, that's not to mention 11.5K support aircraft, 1200 combat ships, etc.

This is beyond stupidity.
SixtusVIth
Haha you sound real "strong".

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A distinction without a difference,the victims of those jihadis are as dead as Bhutto. Also LOL at implying that these groups aren't networked with each other around the globe, it sounds like the sort of petty debater's point one of your sort would deploy.

It's so useful today:

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No, what this shows in your illiteracy. When I said that the Wahhabis "represent a vicious reaction to Western modernism/nihilism, which is similar to what we have seen from native Western sources in the past century" I was clearly alluding to the various "reactionary modernist" movements in Europe during the XXth century and stating that the Islamists are the Muslim version of that phenomenon. Anyone should have grasped this ... though not you apparently. I thought "it is correct to say that they are not identical with classical Islam" was also pretty clear.


Petty distraction tactic, you sound like a menstruating feminist on Tumblr. A perfect follow up to your 12 year old atheist's explanation of religion.
Mike

I don't think the Soviets were poised to invade the Japanese main islands, but there has been a lot of buzz in recent years on how the Soviet invasion of Manchuria was even more demoralizing to the Japanese brass than the atom bomb attacks were. Until the Soviet attack, the Japanese were holding out for a negotiated settlement, possibly mediated by Stalin. Perhaps this discussion can be split to another thread.

Angocachi
I provided the link to csmonitor. I guess you mean a link to the Military History Quarterly? It's a history magazine, and a respected one.

The Soviets took Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands with no land border. The Japanese and American governments were convinced of a coming Soviet invasion of Japan and drew up plans on how to deal with Soviet occupation.

This is all besides my original point. You were making a silly comparison between Japanese Occidentophilia post-war to the Muslim world. The difference is that American occupation in the Muslim world has ended in withdrawal after withdrawal with their enemies standing over the ruins, not permanent military bases and a cultural invasion as happened in Japan. Japan embraced the US in fear of Communism and the Soviet Union. With the Soviet collapse, Muslims aren't looking at America vs Communism, they are looking at the West vs Islam. They are choosing, most of them, Islam.
Longface

Sharia love is fuelled by an inferiority complex within Muslims. Extremists are poor youngsters who yearn to revive a civilization that once "towered" over the West, it's a ragefest made by a bunch of stupid nobodies who got tired of spending their lifes in cafees playing cards and smoking cigarettes.

It depends on your understanding of improvement. Its true pagans had very strange mating rituals, but women were merchants, farmers, shopkeepers...etc. Even Khadija was a rich merchant with complete autonomy.

Islam aloud concubines, and any child born to a Muslim man is considered a free equal Muslim with the same inheritance rights. Your argument is obsolete.
Angocachi
Everything is fueled by an inferiority complex and can't be generated by sincere conviction.

In what way did Islam worsen the lot of women, compared to pre-Islamic Arab paganism?

Islam allows multiple wives as well.
The dress code and gender segregation, whereby men can't see a lick of skin or so much as enjoy the presence of woman without him being tied to her and any offspring they produce is for the benefit of women. As a Muslim woman, your man can't break his obligation to you and go get pussy without any strings.
Longface

Pre-Islamic Arabia was a mixture of many tribes, all having different religions and customs. Islam didn't necessarily make things worse, but it also didn't make things better. You should also remember that most of what is written about Eljahilia is written by Muslims, so an objective judgement can't be made.

You digress. The point is that the son of a heathen slave is equal to the son of a legally married Muslim women. How is that for the benefit of the women?
Angocachi
Neutral and even anti-Islamic historians tend to agree that Islam improved the lot of women in Arabia. Unless you want to give me an instance of how it worsened after Muhammed...

Because if the man is made responsible under the law for any children he creates with other women, then he is less likely to create them.. and when he does, the mother isn't left with the burden of rearing a bastard.

A society in which men can have children with other women and it never cost them is one that breeds widespread adultery and spousal abandonment.


Angocachi
Roland CLAMOR Stubby Bronze Age Pervert niccolo and donkey Theo Thomas777 Fitz

Some news in accordance with the thread theme;

Ouster of Egypt’s Islamist president a product of army’s U.S. military training


In ousting Muslim Brotherhood rule, the Egyptian army did what it has been taught to do for decades, analysts say: Keep Cairo out of the hands of Islamists.

It is a creed imbued by its former secular presidents who first served as military officers and molded the armed forces into a pro- Western bulwark against Islamic extremism.

It is an esprit de corps nurtured by America. The U.S. has played host to hundreds of Egyptian officers at the Pentagon ’s elite educational institutions such as the Army War College and the Naval Postgraduate School . The U.S. educates and trains about 1,000 Egyptian military personnel each year.

Gen. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi , Egypt ’s supreme armed forces commander who engineered the ouster Wednesday of President Mohammed Morsi , attended the war college in Carlisle, Pa., in 2006. In the 1990s, he was a student at Britain’s prestigious Joint Services Command and Staff College.

Robert Springborg , who has taught Egyptian officers at the naval school in Monterey, Calif., calls the Egyptian military ’s culture “the creation of a sense of superiority above civilians, reinforced by privilege.”
Egypt ’s two, pre-Brotherhood presidents — Anwar Sadat and the now-imprisoned Hosni Mubarak — were products of military education. Sadat joined Col. Gamal Abdel Nasser's Free Officer Movement , which staged a coup 1952 against King Farouk . Mubarak led the air force under Sadat .

After the 1981 assassination of Sadat by Islamists inside the military , Mubarak worked to rid the ranks of such ideologues.

“I would thank Mubarak and, indeed before him, Sadat , Nasser and the British, to say nothing of Muhammad Ali ,” Mr. Springborg said. “The tradition of the military at the core of the state is 200 years old.”
Ali , who ruled in the 19th century, is considered the founder of modern Egypt and its dominant military tradition.

American ties to Cairo have run deep ever since Sadat evicted Soviet advisers and attached his star to Washington and its military-industrial complex.

The alliance has brought to the Egyptian military some of the most powerful U.S. weapons, such as the F-16 Falcon fighter jet and the M1A1 Abrams tank — thanks to American taxpayers.

“There is first of all the fact that we provided them $1.5 billion a year, the majority of it in U.S. weapons and equipment,” said Ken Allard , a retired Army colonel who has lectured on Egyptian military ’s role in society. “But there is also the fact that both its current leaders are U.S. Army War College grads. They are only the most obvious ties between military establishments that have lived, trained and worked together ever since Sadat .

“As I used to tell my students at the National War College, the instruction was vital, but the friendships formed were what shapes lives and careers.”

James Phillips, a Middle East analyst at the Heritage Foundation, said the coup underscores a fact of life in Cairo.

“The army essentially has run Egypt since Nasser ’s coup in 1952, and it will be reluctant to give up its role as the ultimate arbiter of Egyptian politics,” Mr. Phillips said. “But it will be willing to step back from direct rule and operate behind the scenes.”

Concerning Gen. al-Sisi , he said, “The real question is whether there are civilian political leaders that he trusts. He also will be looking out for the army ’s institutional interests and its business empire.”

Michael Rubin, a former Pentagon policymaker and now a Middle East scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, said the armed forces revolve around a class system.

“The Egyptian officer corps has always had an elite feeling,” he said. “Remember also the Egyptian officer corps is not strictly a meritocracy. You also have class differences. And therefore the military traditionally represents the older elite as
well in Egyptian society, which feels that it’s their God-given right to do this sort of thing.

“We’ve got strong relations with their military, and we can work with them.”

One of the untold stories about the past year is how the military was able to resurrect its reputation among the Egyptian public, who had turned on it for its association with Hosni Mubarak .

“Our job is made easier by the fact that the military doesn’t want to be in control. Egypt is effectively bankrupt, and its financial situation makes Greece look like a Swiss bank. Hard reforms and austerity are necessary, but whoever implements them is going to become deeply unpopular,” he added. “It’s in the military ’s interest, therefore, to take a page from Obama’s book and lead from behind.”

Successive administrations in Washington have made strong relationships with Egypt ’s top brass a high priority.

The Washington Times reported in December that the Obama administration was continuing the flow of 20 F-16s to Egypt , bringing the fleet to 240, even as Mr. Morsi was declaring himself the country’s absolute ruler and the Muslim Brotherhood controlled the levers of government.

On a visit to Cairo in 2009, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said: “Our military has benefited from the interactions with the Egyptian armed forces — one of the most professional and capable in the region. We are always looking for ways to expand these ties through education, training and exercises.”

Mr. Allard said Gen. al-Sisi could set an example for how to deal with radicals.

“I think these guys are nationalists first and Islamic second,” he said. “I am hoping they also represent an alternative to Islamist extremism in Egypt and elsewhere.”


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/7/ouster-of-egypts-islamist-president-a-product-of-u/?page=2#ixzz2YQgxGZGM
Angocachi
Hezbollah Petitioned by Lebanese Supporters to Pull-Out of Syria

Amid the mounting death toll of Hezbollah operatives in Syria, a delegation of Hezbollah supporters in Lebanon has asked the Shi’ite group’s leadership to stop sending operatives to fight for Syrian President Bashar Assad, pan-Arabic daily Asharq Alawsat reported Sunday.
The London-based paper quoted a source familiar with the situation as saying that the increasing number of casualties in Syria, including some senior commanders, has raised concerns among Lebanese Shi’ites, especially those from Baalbek, who were part of a delegation to visit Hezbollah Shura Council member Muhammad Yazbek and demand a stop to sending their men to Syria.
The delegation reportedly argued that it had been proud to send its sons to fight in the 2006 Second Lebanon War against Israel and in other wars against the Jewish state, but saw the deployment of their children to defend the Syrian regime as “shameful” and that it was unacceptable to embroil their men in a war in which they had no interest at all.
The source added that Hezbollah was facing the dilemma of being unable to withdraw its forces at present.
As a result, the source continued, several meetings were held at the highest levels of the party to discuss the matter and it was agreed that a delegation would be sent to Iran to explain to the leadership there that the party was no longer able to bear the burden of supporting the Syrian government alone by sending fighters from Lebanon. It planned to urge Iran to send more fighters.
The source also noted the rise of Hezbollah operatives participating in the fighting in Syria. Following Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah’s visit to Tehran and Damascus three months ago, more than 20 units were sent to Syria from the Bekaa by Hezbollah, each battalion consisting of approximately 100 men.
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/He...-Stop-sending-our-sons-to-die-in-Syria-318987

Russians Polled on Chechen Independence with 24% Supportive, 23% against
MOSCOW, July 1 (RIA Novosti) – About 24 percent of Russians would welcome a decision allowing Chechnya to become its own country, according to an independent poll published Monday.
However, 23 percent of respondents said they would be against independence for the North Caucasus region, where Russia has fought two bloody civil wars since the Soviet Union’s dissolution in 1991.
Twenty-seven percent of the poll’s 1,601 respondents, who represent 45 different Russian regions, said that granting independence to Chechnya “would not make a big impression” on them. About 12 percent said Chechnya had already separated from Russia, while 13 percent said they would not mind such a move. Only 10 percent strongly opposed it.
A spokesman for the Chechnya’s Kremlin-appointed leader denounced the survey on Monday, saying that “posing such questions is deplorable.”
“People who are not indifferent to the fate of Russia and the Russian people cannot ask such questions,” spokesman Alvir Karimov told Russian News Service radio.
Insurgency remains a pressing issue in Chechnya’s neighboring republics of Dagestan and Ingushetia, with attacks reported nearly daily. However, fighting in Chechnya has vastly diminished under strong-arm leader Ramzan Kadyrov, whom human rights groups have accused of despotism.
His spokesman said the survey, conducted last month by the independent Levada Center, painted an erroneously negative picture of Chechnya and the Chechen people. He added that Chechnya is Russia’s “most stable region.”
Notably, the number of respondents favoring independence was just slightly higher than last year, but it was 10 percent greater than in 2009. The level of anti-Chechen sentiment is almost as high as it was in 2005, when the insurgency was deeper rooted in and around the region. The survey had a margin of error below 3.4 percent.
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20130701/18...ns-Favor-Independence-for-Chechnya--Poll.html