The Syria Analysis Thread

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Angocachi

King of the Kurds, Barzani, has a different take on Erdogan-Kurdish relations in Syria...

"Barzani refuted claims that there is a lack of support from the government in his interview with Taraf Daily, and said that it is not true that Turkey has only marginally contributed to the coalition, in response to the question: "Why did the Turks do nothing."

"They sent us trucks of bullets and howitzers at the onset of the fighting, followed by a delivery of military clothes and other things," Barzani said, adding that Turkey also provided major support in the matter of taking refugees. He also said that Turkey has provided financial assistance to the KRG, which he said was $500 million last year.

"Another [$500 million] is on the way," Barzani said. He continued by praising Turkey's assistance: "[T]he biggest and most apparent gesture from the Turkish government has been its facilitation of the passage of peshmerga forces through its territory."

Ankara ensured secure and problem-free access to Kobani in the face of criticism during the battle for Kobani. Barzani said: "The efforts of Turkey cannot be disregarded. If Kobani was rescued, the Turkish president and prime minister have definitely played their part."
http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/...e-in-liberation-of-kobani-says-krg-pm-barzani

On the Kurds, Erdogan is taking orders from Tony Hayward (ex-BP) over at Genel.*

Erdogan has been arming and financing the Kurds against IS. If Erdogan wanted to stop the formation of a Kurdistan in Kobane, why did he allow Peshmerga to cross Turkish territory to reinforce Kobane after it had fallen to IS. Furthermore, the latest YPG push into IS territory has been piggybacked by FSA units, and the FSA is Erdogan's project.

The territory the Turks are talking about occupying (by name) in Syria is the strip west of Kobane and east of Mare (north of Aleppo). It's currently IS territory, and Turkey would be invading IS to occupy it. The reason they'd do this is because IS has recently launched a successful push into FSA/Ahrar Al Sham territory north of Aleppo and west of Kobane that, until US airstrikes came to the rescue, threatened to cut off and scuttle the FSA/Ahrar Al Sham offensive on Assad-held Aleppo.

When Erdogan says he won't allow a Kurdish state he protests too hard. The Turkish military, despite his attempts at purging it, is still loaded with vehemently anti-Kurdish officers and generals who can't stand the sight of Marxist YPG flags raised in Tal Abyad. To avoid a coup attempt, he has to reassure them that he's not about to do exactly what he's about to do.

Cro-Magnon

*Rothschilds afoot
Genel Energy was created in 2011 as a result of the reverse acquisition of Turkish Genel Enerji by Tony Hayward led investment company Vallares. [1] Vallares was set up by Tony Hayward, financier Nat Rothschild and banker Julian Metherell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genel_Energy

Angocachi

The Gulf Monarchs want to arm the Kurds to fight IS (as Turkey already does by their and Barzani's admission) but the United States dictates their foreign policy like the Judeo-Yankee puppets they are and won't allow them to for fear the Kurds won't suck so reliantly on Uncle Sam's air force tit. The US also won't allow Jordan, Saudi, or other Arab pilots to bomb "IS targets"... oil and gas Anglo-American companies want the contracts to if only they can pry IS hands off them but the GCC would love to light up in a ball of fire.

"US blocks attempts by Arab allies to fly heavy weapons directly to Kurds to fight Islamic State
Middle East allies accuse Barack Obama and David Cameron of failing to show strategic leadership in fight against Isil, as MPs could be given vote on whether to bomb Syria

The United States has blocked attempts by its Middle East allies to fly heavy weapons directly to the Kurds fighting Islamic State jihadists in Iraq, The Telegraph has learnt.

Some of America’s closest allies say President Barack Obama and other Western leaders, including David Cameron, are failing to show strategic leadership over the world’s gravest security crisis for decades.

They now say they are willing to “go it alone” in supplying heavy weapons to the Kurds, even if means defying the Iraqi authorities and their American backers, who demand all weapons be channelled through Baghdad.

High level officials from Gulf and other states have told this newspaper that all attempts to persuade Mr Obama of the need to arm the Kurds directly as part of more vigorous plans to take on Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) have failed. The Senate voted down one attempt by supporters of the Kurdish cause last month.

The officials say they are looking at new ways to take the fight to Isil without seeking US approval.

“If the Americans and the West are not prepared to do anything serious about defeating Isil, then we will have to find new ways of dealing with the threat,” said a senior Arab government official. “With Isil making ground all the time we simply cannot afford to wait for Washington to wake up to the enormity of the threat we face.”

The Peshmerga have been successfully fighting Isil, driving them back from the gates of Erbil and, with the support of Kurds from neighbouring Syria, re-establishing control over parts of Iraq’s north-west.
But they are doing so with a makeshift armoury. Millions of pounds-worth of weapons have been bought by a number of European countries to arm the Kurds, but American commanders, who are overseeing all military operations against Isil, are blocking the arms transfers.

One of the core complaints of the Kurds is that the Iraqi army has abandoned so many weapons in the face of Isil attack, the Peshmerga are fighting modern American weaponry with out-of-date Soviet equipment.

At least one Arab state is understood to be considering arming the Peshmerga directly, despite US opposition.

The US has also infuriated its allies, particularly Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the Gulf states, by what they perceive to be a lack of clear purpose and vacillation in how they conduct the bombing campaign. Other members of the coalition say they have identified clear Isil targets but then been blocked by US veto from firing at them.

“There is simply no strategic approach,” one senior Gulf official said. “There is a lack of coordination in selecting targets, and there is no overall plan for defeating Isil.”

Britain is moving closer to expanding its role in the war. The Government on Wednesday gave its strongest indication yet that MPs will be given a new vote on whether to bomb Isil in Syria.

Michael Fallon, the Defence Secretary, said it was “illogical” that British planes were able to hit extremists in Iraq but not across the border.

Any decision to bomb in Syria would have to be approved by MPs. In 2013, the Prime Minister lost a vote for British military action in Syria. However, Mr Fallon said: “It is a new Parliament and I think new Members of Parliament will want to think very carefully about how we best deal with Isil, and the illogicality of Isil not respecting the borderlines.”

Mr Fallon suggested that a bombing campaign could be mounted in revenge for the terror attacks in Tunisia if a link could be proved between the killer and Isil in Libya. Britain would only take military action in Libya “where we think there is an imminent threat, a very direct to British lives or, for example, to British hostages”, he said.

Senior Whitehall sources did not distance themselves from Mr Fallon’s comments but insisted there was no immediate prospect of military action.

The Telegraph understands that Mr Cameron is concerned that Labour might force the Government into another defeat over Syria."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...directly-to-Kurds-to-fight-Islamic-State.html

Niccolo and Donkey
This is ass backwards. Turkey funnels in fighters for ISIS and is a conduit for arms that get into their hands. This isn't a conspiracy theory, nor a secret. It's the facts on the ground that everyone in the area knows to be true, including the Turks that I'm speaking to here in Split.
Angocachi
Did you read what Barzani said in an interview two posts up?
According to Barzani Turkey is fighting IS and is to credit for expelling IS from Kobani Canton; it's given over a billion dollars to the Kurds to fight IS, Turkey has given the Kurds truck loads of ammunition and howitzers, uniforms, and their most important contribution to the Kurds according to Barzani has been allowing the Kurdish fighters to cross Turkish territory in their fight against IS. In addition, Turkey launches airstrikes on IS.
Turkey funnels fighters to the FSA, which is currently fighting shoulder-to-shoulder with the YPG against IS north of Raqqa and between the Kobani and Jazeera Cantons.
Niccolo and Donkey
USA has only trained 60 fighters in Syria so far

Angocachi
The territory the Turks might invade is by name that between Mare and Kobane Canton. It's Arab inhabited, not Kurdistan, and currently held by IS.
If Turkey were intent on invading Syrian Kurdistan why did Turkey save it by allowing Kurd fighters to use Turkey to cross between Jazeera and Kobane Cantons? Why did Turkey deliver truck loads of ammunition and supplies to the Kurd fighters. Why did Turkey give howitzers to them? Why did Turkey give a billion dollars to the Kurds to fight IS. Why did Turkey bomb IS? This all according to Barzani and all on behalf of Genel.
Just a serious question...
Fitz
Israeli Special Forces Assassinated Senior Syrian Official

Matthew Cole


Jul. 15 2015, 5:23am

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On Aug. 1, 2008, a small team of Israeli commandos entered the waters near Tartus, Syria, and shot and killed a Syrian general as he was holding a dinner party at his seaside weekend home. Muhammad Suleiman, a top aide to the Syrian president, was shot in the head and neck, and the Israeli military team escaped by sea.

While Israel has never spoken about its involvement, secret U.S. intelligence files confirm that Israeli special operations forces assassinated the general while he vacationed at his luxury villa on the Syrian coast.

The internal National Security Agency document, provided by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, is the first official confirmation that the assassination of Suleiman was an Israeli military operation, and ends speculation that an internal dispute within the Syrian government led to his death.

A top-secret entry in the NSA’s internal version of Wikipedia, called Intellipedia, described the assassination by “Israeli naval commandos” near the port town of Tartus as the “first known instance of Israel targeting a legitimate government official.” The details of the assassination were included in a “Manhunting Timeline” within the NSA’s intelligence repository.

According to three former U.S. intelligence officers with extensive experience in the Middle East, the document’s classification markings indicate that the NSA learned of the assassination through surveillance. The officials asked that they not be identified, because they were discussing classified information.

The information in the document is labeled “SI,” which means that the intelligence was collected by monitoring communications signals. “We’ve had access to Israeli military communications for some time,” said one of the former U.S. intelligence officers.

The former officer said knowledge within the NSA about surveillance of Israeli military units is especially sensitive because the NSA has Israeli intelligence officers working jointly with its officers at NSA headquarters in Fort Meade, Maryland.

Brig. Gen. Suleiman was a top military and intelligence adviser to Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad, and was suspected of being behind the Syrian government’s efforts to facilitate Iran’s provision of arms and military training to Hezbollah in neighboring Lebanon. Suleiman was also reported to have been in charge of the security and construction of Syria’s Al Kibar nuclear facility, which Israel destroyed in a 2007 air attack. The NSA document described part of Suleiman’s responsibilities as “sensitive military issues.”

Israel’s involvement in Suleiman’s assassination raises questions about both the purpose of the killing, as well as whether Israel violated international law in conducting the operation.

“The Israelis may have had many good reasons to kill [Suleiman],” said Mary Ellen O’Connell, a professor of international law at Notre Dame. “But under international law it’s absolutely clear that in Syria in 2008, they had no rights under the laws of war because at the time there was no armed conflict. They had no right to kill General Suleiman.”

The Assad government withheld news of the assassination for four days before announcing Suleiman’s death. Israel has neither confirmed nor denied its involvement.

According to a classified State Department cable published online by WikiLeaks, the Syrian government’s investigation into the killing turned up $80 million in cash in Suleiman’s home. “[Assad] was said to be devastated by the discovery, and, fearing [Suleiman] had betrayed him, redirected the investigation from solving his murder to finding out how the general had acquired so much money,” the cable noted.

Last year, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah told journalists that the Israeli government killed Suleiman, and that the assassination was “linked” to Suleiman’s role in the July 2006 war between Israel and Hezbollah.

“For them it’s not only payback, but mitigates future operations,” said one of the retired intelligence officers, who has worked with the Israelis but does not have direct knowledge of the Suleiman assassination. “They will take a target of opportunity if it presents itself.”

The Israeli assassination of Suleiman came less than six months after a joint Mossad-CIA team assassinated a top Hezbollah operative in the heart of Damascus, according to several current and former U.S. military and intelligence officials. U.S. and Israeli involvement in that attack, which targeted Hezbollah operative Imad Mughniyeh, was first reported in detail by the Washington Post . The CIA had long sought Mughniyeh for his role in several terrorist attacks against Americans, including the 1983 Marine barracks bombing in Beirut, Lebanon, which left 241 American service members dead.

The NSA declined to comment. A spokesperson for the Israeli Prime Minister did not respond to several requests for comment.
Niccolo and Donkey

Just as I've stated all along, the presence of ISIS is being used to subtly invade Syria, this time with the Turks doing it to kill two birds with one stone: get rid of the Kurds and their para-state and further push the Assad Regime back towards Latakia and Damascus.

Turkey agrees plan for 'Isis-free zone' along Syrian border

Turkey and the US have agreed on the outlines of a plan to drive Islamic State out of a strip of land along the Turkish-Syrian border, according to reports , in a landmark deal that will draw Turkey further into Syria’s civil war and looks likely to increase the intensity of the US air war against Isis.




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Angocachi

Turkey doesn't bomb IS = Turkey supports IS against Assad.
Turkey bombs IS = Turkey is invading Assad

Niccolo and Donkey
The thing though is that it's the Kurds being bombed in both Iraq and Syria by the Turks.

The Turks waited until the Kurds cleared the entire border region of ISIS and other Islamists to begin their moves. It didn't bother them when the Kurds were in pockets along the border, broken up by Islamist-held towns and villages.

As anyone who is not blind can see, ISIS serves the purpose for the removal of the Assad regime.....Turkish bombing and invasion, no-fly zone implemented, buffer region declared which will serve as a safe haven for various Islamist factions, including ISIS.

Gruppenführer Glitter Abe de Ville Nelson Van Alden Broseph Bronze Age Pervert

I called this a long, long time ago.