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Thread ID: 9873 | Posts: 9 | Started: 2003-09-18
2003-09-18 17:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE]*Originally posted by wintermute (at [url=http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9820] Bush totally against scrapping H1-B visas[/url]) * I would certainly appreciate your commentary on the very specific action items I gave on the "future of OD" thread.
They were:
*encouraging lurkers to post
*mass mailings of MacDonald's Immigration Chapter to White residents of Aztlan States
*collating our Neo-Con data into a series of talking points, which may or may not be linked to the creation of a card deck, as is occasionally discussed in WN circles
*working with/ organizing/ supporting "Kill Your Television" movements Anti-Circumcision drives Humane Slaughter initiatives
From the deafening silence I recieved on that thread, I actually thought I had given offense.
No, you didn't give offense. It was just that when you rewrote this it made it a lot easier to read. Maybe that's part of the lesson. We do have a lot of boards today with a huge number of posts- when you have something really important to say you need to find a way to simplify it and make it stand out.
I'll have to get back to these points, which deserve a comment. Until then, lets touch on your remaining points.
Now that I again see a request for specific plans of action, I have reprinted the ones I gave two days ago, to which I would add:
after encouraging lurkers to post more often, we must hash out promotional schemes for luring more high quality posters here. This will require link exchanges and 'away teams' to ideologically adjacent online boards. Frightening as it is for me to say, we will need to moniter* boards like FR constantly, to locate and recruit likely candidates.
*towards this end, more of the data we've compiled here will have to assembled into some usable form. I recommend two or three persons per sub-forum, detailing activity and trends year by year (say, the situation in Britian), plus overviews. Isolated data points impress nobody. Trends made up of overwhelming numbers of such incidents are very impressive.
*avoiding the temptation to spam other boards, we should rather identify likely persons and target them. They can, in turn, become the 'watchers' for boards that they've left, IDing new candidates.
*we should constantly be making the attempt to turn or convert people both online and in real life. Therefore, we have a common interest in a) assembling usable data (not just recommending MacDonald) b)exchanging information on persuasive techniques, common objections, questions, etc. and c)egging each other on to action.
*converting ideological adjacents like large Immigration groups is a high priority. They have infrastructure and cash. We should be covert to whatever degree necessary, following the VDARE example. An intact but secretive major Immigration group which actually resisted Jewish power covertly without being explicit about it would be a great prize indeed.
centralizing and streamlining WN 'startups'. A million websites with four regular readers each is not as good as two or three mega websites, representing real divisions in WN. Two or three FreeRepublic type operations, complete with local action groups, who are comitted to a sane and effective propogation of ideas* would be very powerful. OD, as I've often argued, should take the high road, intellectually and morally. Information, and not violence, is our means and objective. Continuing the attempt to marginalize KKK, skins, and Nazis (not Revisionists) should be our goal. Outreach along the lines of EAIF is also good.
*without wishing for total societal collapse, we can affirm the worse is better scenario in a limited way by doing what we can to destroy the Republican Party. Vote Democrat (unless you live in Ron Paul's district), mingle with Republicans, and carry as many dirty secrets as you can from one side to the other. Worse may not always be better, but for the short term, 'diversity is our strength'.
Wintermute [/B][/QUOTE]
You make some interesting points here. Some of them are excellent, most of them are very good things to do, and all of them I think are things we have at least talked about often on this board, without necessarily being in agreement (the idea about supporting the Democratic Party and candidates such as Bustamante comes to mind here).
I would like to comment individually on these suggestions, and how best to accomplish them. But I think if you review the items you have give us, that "we" are supposed to do, you will see a very basic question is arising who is this "we" and how are "we" going to accomplish these things?
You have thrown out a lot of things, and if you look at it again, you might realize the magnitude involved in accomplishing all of these action items.
Some of these things involve the OD board specifically. With regard to these things, I can say that although good to do, I and others have been throwing out similar suggestions for working other boards, without a great deal of response. Of course I'm not one to criticize, I hardly have time to do hardly any of these things either. Like most of you just surfing and keeping up with this board takes up a high enough proportion of my time I tend to be reluctant to really jump off into additional activities. Otherwise I might miss more of your great posts. (Not joking, this one is really very good, and really all of them now are very thought provoking).
Other of these things I am not sure who they are directed to specifically, I think however they are in general directed at the WN movement at large. Which really does bring up the question, who does represent the WN movement at large? That is one of the things obviously that have to be addressed, because even these seemingly small things you have assigned the WN movement require a certain amount of organization.
Until recently, one could have referred to the National Alliance I suppose as the preeminent WN organization, although its ideology excludes a great many potential sympathizers, such as religious believers (with the exception a least presently of certain pagan groups).
Now however even the NA is in disarray, and the putative nationalist movement is realy left without hardly a single organization with the resources and power to do anything, that I see at least. Maybe for the broader paleo-tinged WN movement the CoCC comes to mind, but how much of an organization is that really, compared to the tasks you point out rightly which need to be done, and which a good WN organization would be thinking of doing?
That's why I'll repeat my assertion that these things
It requires organization and strategy, and specifics, something nationalists always seem to come up very short on.
Just step back and take a lok at some of the things you have suggested as part of a broad WN strategy. Consider what I would say my assertion that such things would represent a fair proportion of the workload of an organization such as the SPLC or ADL, albeit directed in a contrary fashion. The ADL after all has spent decades popularizing and distributing diversity advocating literature, starting with The Authoritarian Personality.
Look at the size of the ADL and SPLC. They are huge organizations, with annual direct budgets I think of at least tens of millions of dollars, and hundreds of full time employees. (Some of which we meet on our internt forums, aka "Veronica" and "Daisy11").
Compare this with our resources. This board for starters probably is limited to at least 20 really active contributers at any one time.
I say these thing are good, but that MWDallas in a sense is right - a large amount of the undeniable problem we havewith organization and strategy is resources.
2003-09-18 23:41 | User Profile
I look at organization as a necessary evil. Organizations are subject to the weaknesses of their leaders. They are inefficient and expensive. An organization, once funded, could be the subject of a lawsuit.
I think our strategies and actions should focus on what individuals can do, and how minimal organization can assist leaderless resistance. There is so much we can do that costs us little, like participating in all sorts of forums, not necessarily to recruit them to OD, but just to counter the ADL operatives and to convert as many people as possible from lemmings to Wintermute clones. This can be done without dragging our families thru any pain. We should only depend on organization when dependence on organisation is necessary or expedient.
"Frightening as it is for me to say, we will need to moniter boards like FR constantly, to locate and recruit likely candidates"
To that I can say of course we must, and this takes little or no organisation. But organisation would help us with division of labor, if two of us are working a board we could exchange notes. I am currently doing exactly that with two forums I participate in, and none of us are members of any organization. I have emailed them with the OD link.
It doesn't matter that the ADL has a gazillion dollars, we have truth on our side and forums are an excellent place for it to leak out. I find that ADL types only outnumber us about 3 to 1. That's not bad. they must lower themselves to all sorts of logical fallacies and we call them on their tactics regularly, they are running scared.
I visualize an enlightenment pyramid. If we each educate 20 people a year, and they each educate 20 people a year, in a few years the Protocols will be required high school reading. It won't matter who our leader is or what organisations we have. It's mostly an information war and that's how it can be won.
I make a habit of planting tiny seeds, far and wide. Just telling someone you don't count yourself among those who believe everything the government and monolithic media tells you is a seed planted. Opening eyes can be done as fast or as slow as is effective in each case. Explaining the power of media is a powerful strategy and can be done without using the "J" word. I can give extensive tips on how to do this. Liberals who are not ready for the "J" word can be told about secret society conspiracy in the military establishment when talking about Iraq.
As they say in the Protocols; "There is nothing more dangerous than personal initiative if it has genius behind it, such initiative can do more than be done by millions of people among whom we have sown discord"
They fear not our organizations, but our initiative.
2003-10-04 01:02 | User Profile
I really like the idea of mass-distributing CofC's Immigration Chapter, Wintermute. I re-read it last night, and I guess my only cause for hesitation is that it is so very long and academically rigorous it may cause the eyes of many recipients to glaze over. But, if 10% are responsive, that in itself will be a huge boon. I'd like to assist in any such efforts should the ODers decide to do it, however I am able.
I am also going to make an effort to post here more often than I normally do, just to help keep things moving.
Travis- I am eager to read more of your suggestions on how to open minds to the monolithic nature of the media. The strategy of "dynamic silence" (see Kaplan) employed by the media masters has been exercised long enough.
2003-10-04 02:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Maximillian]I really like the idea of mass-distributing CofC's Immigration Chapter, Wintermute. I re-read it last night, and I guess my only cause for hesitation is that it is so very long and academically rigorous it may cause the eyes of many recipients to glaze over. .[/QUOTE]
Lets hire Victor Wolzek to rewrite it. :)
There is another piece of fundamental information that needs broadcasting and this is Jewish media ownership and editorial control. Whites need to understand, unequivocally, that the Jews own and run the media, i.e. television, newspapers, magazines, publishing, comics, the Farmer's Almanac for god's sake. As it is now, people more or less get it that the Jews run [I]Hollywood[/I], although they seem too sluggish to grok that the ubiquitous negative stereotypes in the movies of Whites is Jewish hate, but it is still not common knowledge that Jews run the media, the propasphere, in general.
Which gives me an idea, how about a campaign resisting the defamation and negative stereotyping of Whites in Hollywood movies? Perhaps we could enlist the support of the man who runs Resisting Defamation. He writes a mean diatribe, full of the sound and fury of offended national honor.
2003-10-04 02:51 | User Profile
*working with/ organizing/ supporting Anti-Circumcision drives
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't circumcision practiced by other peoples besides Jews? And isn't also done a lot of times for medical purposes?
2003-10-04 09:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wintermute]I've been thinking about this proposal, and think that expenses could be lowered by mass-mailing CDs with text files, rather than go the hard-copy route.
The big challenge here would be finding and purchasing mailing lists. I am certainly open to suggestion on this point.
Also, I think that VNN, Stormfront, VDARE, and some of the smaller Nationalist websites need to learn to co-ordinate activites. They should be tapped for suggestions and support.
The chapter could be edited with an eye towards the common reader. But you're right - even 10% would mark a turning point.
Wintermute[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't there be a copyright infringement issue with this?
Wouldn't want to tick off our favourite academician.
Walter
2003-10-04 11:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Maximillian]Travis- I am eager to read more of your suggestions on how to open minds to the monolithic nature of the media. The strategy of "dynamic silence" (see Kaplan) employed by the media masters has been exercised long enough.[/QUOTE] Maximillian, Here are some paragraphs to offer those who have never considered the strategic value of media:
The media has the power of suggestion, the power of scrutiny, the power of censorship, the power of smear. Do you know any politicians who have that much power?
The principal function of politicians is to get favorable media support.
Try to visualize the following scenario;
I own NBC,CNN,CBS, New York Times and Washington Post. You are Senator Maximillian, a presidential candidate. Senator, I've been following your career for the past 19 years and I know a few things that the general public doesn't know. I understand your passion for social position. This is the deciding moment of your career, in 14 weeks a new president will be elected and you have the opportunity to make certain decisions to ensure your success in the election. I'm sure you will see the advantages in cooperating with the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations. Before I use the power of media to ensure your success I need your word that you will, in the interest of (ahem) world peace and prosperity to all, appoint my colleague Mr. Soros as SEC chief, Ms. Finkelstein as UN Secretary, Dr Abrams as Treasury Secretary, Mr. Cohen as FCC Chairman, Mr. Kissinger to Secretary of State, Mr. Powell as Defense Secretary and re-appoint Mr. Greenspan as Federal Reserve Chairman. Senator Maximillian, we deeply appreciate your teamwork in the past and I'm sure you'll see the wisdom in cooperating at this point, it would be ill advised to throw away the presidency over the appointment of a few secretaries. Let me remind you of the media assistance you've received in the past. When you were Lieutenant Governor of Nevada and were charged with accepting bribes from State contractors, we downplayed those charges and haven't mentioned then since. When, during your congressional campaign in 1989 the issue of improprieties in your handling of campaign funds was raised, we downplayed that also, in light of your (ahem) teamwork you displayed during your tenure as Lt Governor. You never would even have made it to Lt Governor if we had made an issue out of misdealings in 1979 when you were a mere city councilman and we had all the photocopies of those transactions. We helped you get elected to congress by shining the spotlight of scrutiny on your opponent, Jones. Every mis-pronounced word, every little mis-step was over emphasized and ridiculed. He didn't seem like the type of man willing to take orders, um I mean he wasn't a team player. That's what we like about you, Max. You're a team player. Many past presidents, like LBJ for example have left the White House as multi-millionaires and never received much scrutiny concerning their ascent to wealth. We will pledge our support in your presidential campaign and appreciate your good judgment in cooperating with us to ensure a safe and prosperous world.
Since influence has the most value to those who utilize it to it's fullest potential, it stands to reason that who have the greatest expertise in exercising it's powers will be willing to pay more to aquire it than those who merely want to get a return on investment by selling advertisement. So, inevitably, media will always fall into the hands of the most corrupt.
Here is the chain of command in America: Media Politicians Bureaucrats Sheeple
When asked for proof about media corruption always try to first emphasize that you are proving the strategic value of controlling it before attempting to move on.
2003-10-05 01:09 | User Profile
Travis- excellent strategy to demonstrate the power of the media.
Wintermute- It does seem probable that successful mass distribution of CofC would result in a backlash by "concerned civil rights groups" and a tightening of hate crime statutes. But by taking the offensive, we make our foe react and try to catch up to what we're doing. While he's reacting to what we did last time, we hit him with something else. Keep them on the defensive for once. Otherwise, we may as well give up and knuckle under the "dynamic silence" of the propasphere.
2003-10-05 02:05 | User Profile
"I also repeat my request to anyone who knows the folks who distributed the Jesus movie in Texas. Everyone in the state got one. We might want to think about this in connection with the new Zionist histories being distributed on DVD/ CD-ROM.
Great idea about mass-sending stuff to the public in "Aztlan" states. I love it. Well, I guess you could send KMacD's immigration paper out like so:
a. by mail, on a floppy disc in a regular envelope [which would be sooo easy, but some people might not want to risk playing it re: viruses];
b. as a 4 or 5 page paper printout [both sides printed in rather small type, slightly abridged version if needed]
c. as a CD-ROM
As for logistics, that's a hard one. It'll be tough finding enough people to mail/ship/store the items.
cc'd to Linder and Co.