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Thread ID: 9809 | Posts: 5 | Started: 2003-09-15
2003-09-15 22:00 | User Profile
9-15-03
Israel and Arafat
Gentile: "If Israel wants peace, why is it saying publicly that killing Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat is an option? That statement will inflame most of the Arab world, and Israel knows it."
Israeli: "We can kill anyone we want -- we're The Chosen People. God likes us best. Plus, we have nukes and jets and helicopters that the stupid goyim....er, I mean, that the nice gentiles gave us. The Arabs can't do a thing about it if we kill Arafat."
Gentile: "Why not show the world that Israel truly desires peace by giving back the land Israel stole from the Palestinians in 1967 -- especially the West Bank?"
Israeli: "That land was taken during the Middle East war in 1967. And we are still fighting that war. It never ended."
Gentile: "Really? Then why do Jews call that war the Six-Day War? This is 2003. And Israel started the 1967 war." [1]
Israeli: "Uhhhh.......you're an anti-Semite, just like the Arabs!"
Gentile: "Sure. Aren't Arabs Semitic people? Why are you calling Semites 'anti-Semitic?' Furthermore, most Jews are only half-Semitic. The Arabs are more Semitic than the Jews. So why do Jews toss around the bogus term 'anti-Semite?'" [2]
Israeli: "You're an anti-Semite! And a Nazi!"
Jews: the Sneaky People.
[1] lots more about Israel here: [url=http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_israel.html#palestine1994]http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_israel.h...l#palestine1994[/url]
[2] most Jews, called Ashkenazim or Russian Jews, are only half-Arab by race: "the evidence from blood-groups bears on the theory that the Ashkenazim have both Armenids and Orientalids ["Orientalids" is Dr. Baker's word for Arabs] for ancestors." -- from the book "Race," by Dr. John R. Baker, Oxford University Press/FHU, 1974/1981, page 242, hardcover
2003-09-16 03:17 | User Profile
[url=http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Number=883151&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=]Knight-Ridder Tribune/Liberty Forum [/url]
RAMALLAH, West Bank _ After an outpouring of Palestinian support for besieged leader Yasser Arafat, Israel Sunday appeared to escalate its threats against him when the deputy prime minister said killing him was a possibility.
"Arafat can no longer be a factor in what happens here," Ehud Olmert told Israel Radio. "Expulsion is certainly one of the options, killing is also one of the options."
Israel's cabinet on Wednesday voted to "remove" Arafat from his compound in Ramallah, where he has lived in virtual isolation amid Israeli accusations that he abets terrorist attacks that have killed hundreds of Israelis.
While Israel has the military muscle to eliminate Arafat, any such action would have wide repercussions.
Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said Sunday that carrying out Olmert's suggestion would cause outrage throughout the region and the world.
"The United States does not support either the elimination of him or the exile of Mr. Arafat. ... The Israelis know our position quite well," Powell said in a televised interview from Baghdad. "The consequences would not be good ones. I think you can anticipate that there would be rage throughout the Arab world, the Muslim world and in many other parts of the world."
Large demonstrations supporting Arafat continued through the weekend, with thousands marching in Hebron and the Gaza Strip, and a symbolic human chain was set up around his shattered compound.
On Friday, Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath explained the phenomenon of Arafat's surging popularity under siege.
"Sometimes the street is angry with him for a local decision or the corruption of one official," Shaath said in an interview, "but when Israelis say they will pluck him out as if he is a pimple or an herb in their garden, people rise up against this arrogance."
Referring to the 10-year-old Oslo Accords, an ambitious peace plan whose goals were never realized, Arafat adviser Ahmed Abdul Rahman said: "Arafat is the man who recognized the right of Israel to exist, who signed the peace with (late Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak) Rabin, so why are they (Israelis) doing this?"
Among other reasons, Israel says, it's because Arafat has done nothing to stop the suicide bombers of Hamas and other militant groups.
"Hamas is the result of Israel's occupation," Rahman asserted. "If, in one day, they say they'll withdraw, there will be peace and they'll have security."
The Israelis counter by citing statements from the leaders of the militants groups vowing to wipe Israel off the map.
World opinion is running heavily against the decision to remove Arafat, but Israel is unfazed.
Senior Israeli security sources told the Israeli daily Haaretz that Israel was preparing the ground for Arafat's eventual removal just as it gradually got world public opinion accustomed to the idea of Israeli reoccupation of West Bank.
In 1994, Arafat returned to the Gaza Strip after 25 years in exile in Jordan, Lebanon and Tunisia. He was elected in 1996 to lead the Palestinian Authority, which was given autonomy over two-thirds of Gaza and nearly half of the West Bank in disconnected islands that Palestinians call bantustans, a reference to apartheid South Africa.
Final status talks collapsed three years ago after Arafat rejected then-prime minister Ehud Barak's offer of a Palestinian state in Gaza and most of the West Bank, with a toehold in Jerusalem for a nominal capital.
At the same time, Israel rejected the demand of a "right of return" for Palestinian refugees and their descendants to live inside Israel.
More than 800 Israelis and almost 2,500 Palestinians have been killed since then in spasmodic violence.
2003-09-17 03:14 | User Profile
Oh yeah, Israel can't give back the Gaza Strip because the moment they do Egypt is going to move in and attack Israel. Does anyone really believe they need to occupy this land for self-defense?
2003-09-17 03:28 | User Profile
Yes, I think Israel need that land for self-defense.
Really, I can't get worked about the Israeli-Arab conflict itself. I can only get worked up about what our support for Israel costs us.
There are a lot of valid perspective possible on Zionism. I say, white nationalism can embrace a ton of these. In the end, Israel just isn't that relevant to us.
Showing Israeli atrocities in conjunction with Hollyvood atrocities has a certain psychological effect, and probably with good reason--in both cases, we see the fury of the German Jews and their co-religionists displayed. Hence anti-Zionism can be a good 'gateway' drug.
Myself, I like being a good Zionist. Since anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism according to the Jews, it must be the case that a Zionist is a friend of the Jews. I have a lot of Jewish contacts--indeed, I find that more conservative Jews (in religious and/or social terms) of substantial white extraction are often quite good to hang out with. True, they have all kind of subconscious ticks that make them dangerous when they gang up; but that's part of what makes the history of Jews in America so sad and frightening.
Anyway, being a Zionist is useful if you need Jews to like you, or otherwise are desirous of pursuing frienship with Jews. Then if you slip up and say things suspect to the Jewish mind, it gets interpreted charitably. More to the point, being a Zionist (the bare bones sort, a la Prof. Gottfried) reassures Jews and helps get them to think, well, more like Gentiles. Zionism allows Jews to put their energies into killing leftist Muslim fanatics, rather than spending so much time polluting Western media and academic venues. So I say Zionism can also be a good thing.
2003-09-18 02:17 | User Profile
Israel needs a moral awakening. Yasser Arafat can't even see his own daughter. Let me tell you, if the hard-ons kill Arafat, there will be HELL to pay. The Palestinian people are ready to move. They are ready to move, 3 million strong, into Jerusalem .. this is real.