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Thread ID: 9710 | Posts: 35 | Started: 2003-09-10
2003-09-10 22:43 | User Profile
Texas Dissident,
I had considered starting a thread about strategies. But the more I thought about it, I decided the importance of strategies in our struggles doesn't rate a new thread. Fellow Texan I suggest you create a strategies forum and we could have a thread about debate strategies, a thread about writing letters to politicians and corporate people, a thread about fliers, a thread about dealing with the educational establishment, a thread about strategies for getting our message out thru other forums, etc. etc. This would give us a break from preaching to the choir and fighting amongst ourselves and allow us to do something constructive. There are some sharp minds on this forum and I think we could accomplish something. I'm sure there are many other leaderless resistance types here besides me that want to trade tips on getting the word out.
2003-09-11 07:55 | User Profile
Hello travis,
Just to let you know that I am thinking on this very subject more than a little bit right now. I've been casually bouncing some ideas around with a few confidants here and there, but I haven't been real sure on whether or not the demand for such things is out there.
Anyhow, I appreciate your suggestion. Along with some recent issues with the board's software itself, this subject is at the forefront of what I am currently considering for OD and where I can position it for the future. Stablity and security are the main concerns for the board itself, while outreach and growth into new areas like real-world activism are the two roads ahead I'm looking at.
Looming over all this is the question of true interest and how that parlays into funding such expansionist ventures. I've been blessed by a couple of generous folks who have been kind enough to help out with the costs associated with OD, but money is an unfortunate necessary evil when considering any kind of expansion and/or upgrades. Increasing funding and adding organizational structures are not subjects to be taken lightly from what I've witnessed at other sites. If that's the route that I choose to take, then I will need the help and support of serious-minded and capable men, which fortunately we do seem to have an abundance of.
So to my mind the question is do we have any interest here among our learned membership or are we only lacking a business plan from me? Sometimes I am encouraged about taking this place to the next level above the shoestring its always been operated on, but quite often discouraged as well. The last thing I want or need to happen is for me to charge off into the cyber-battlefield with no support behind. Maybe some will weigh in here with their thoughts.
2003-09-11 10:52 | User Profile
TD, What address should donations be mailed to and to whom should the checks be made payable to?
2003-09-11 21:39 | User Profile
Yes, I will also send a donation to OD. Truth be told, while OD is [ok, was] considered to be sorta "wimpy" in some WN circles, I will bet hard money that OD has opened up many semi-paleo and paleo eyes to the real issues of paleoism. In fact, I can see that opening, so to speak, in some older OD posters already.
2003-09-13 08:35 | User Profile
Truth be told, while OD is [ok, was] considered to be sorta "wimpy" in some WN circles, I will bet hard money that OD has opened up many semi-paleo and paleo eyes to the real issues of paleoism.
In my opinion it would significantly benefit the greater cause if folks would stop confusing a difference in tactical efficacy with 'wimpiness'. Trust me, there is unsurpassed hardness underneath all the visible love that is found on our pages.
Thanks for the kind words, Franco.
2003-09-13 16:06 | User Profile
Hello travis,
Just to let you know that I am thinking on this very subject more than a little bit right now. I've been casually bouncing some ideas around with a few confidants here and there, but I haven't been real sure on whether or not the demand for such things is out there.* Similar to my feelings. Change and growth can be hard, and actually not everybody wants it. Sometimes without realizing it its easier just to get into a zone of where we're comfortable with just the little clique we've got here, and don't really want to rock the boat.
It's easier sometimes to argue on for hours about say, the nature of the 4th century Roman empire, than seriously draw up a plan to expand our cadre to a critical mass where it will attract more positive attention and publicity, (and to some extent - negative publicity as well).
Anyhow, I appreciate your suggestion. Along with some recent issues with the board's software itself, this subject is at the forefront of what I am currently considering for OD and where I can position it for the future. Stablity and security are the main concerns for the board itself, while outreach and growth into new areas like real-world activism are the two roads ahead I'm looking at.*
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Stability and security, are certainly essential, if we want to meet our objectives and make an impact. There are really a very large group of people out there, basically sympathetic somewhat and potentially completely in agreement, who do not know about us.
I wonder sometimes if we might be able to have some Original Dissent publicity contest. Such as maybe each pick an area to work in (forums, sites, or groups of sites) and track how many hits referrels, or new members we get from those specific areas.
Probably this is one of the things that would require better organization/software.
** while outreach and growth into new areas like real-world activism are the two roads ahead I'm looking at.* **
I think this is something we'd like to look at also. Here we would I think need some people who are ready to step forward and publically represent us and publicize us.
Again though this involves risk. Basic political rules seem to be though that if you are going to incur some positive reward and publicity, you have to be willing and able to withstand some negative publicity as well.
Ultimately I think we've got to do it and other things like this. We've worked hard to at least make a very good start to developing a body of political thought superior to anything out there. If we're serious about it, we have to be willing to step forward and put it in a position where it can have a real impact.
Our forum is increasingly harmonius and we can continue to tinker and fiddle with it to improve the sound. But sometimes I'm afraid to spend too much time talking or fiddling, lest some later point to all this fiddling while Rome was burning.
2003-09-13 16:52 | User Profile
Truth be told, while OD is [ok, was] considered to be sorta "wimpy" in some WN circles, I will bet hard money that OD has opened up many semi-paleo and paleo eyes to the real issues of paleoism.
In my opinion it would significantly benefit the greater cause if folks would stop confusing a difference in tactical efficacy with 'wimpiness'. Trust me, there is unsurpassed hardness underneath all the visible love that is found on our pages.
Thanks for the kind words, Franco. **
Exactly. It has been my experience that the loudest talkers are seldom,if ever, men of action or sacrifice. PM coming your way, TD.
2003-09-13 20:05 | User Profile
Tex,
I think your solicitation of opinions on what to do with OD next, technically and strategically, and associated costs, isn't visible enough for all the posters here to notice. I came across it by accident. Perhaps it's better to move it to a separate thread where everyone has a chance to see it.
2003-09-15 00:31 | User Profile
Okiereddust, I'm a little puzzled by your comments. In what negative way would discussing strategy "rock the boat" ?
I have no "plan to expand our cadre to a critical mass where it will attract more positive attention and publicity". I just want to exchange tips on how leaderless resisters can enlighten the dumb masses about the Jewish problem, and I think there are some capable minds here that could submit ideas. I'm not talking about violent revolution.
I may be a little naive about security matters pertaining to internet forums. Please articulate on how this might be a security or stability risk.
2003-09-15 07:52 | User Profile
I think your solicitation of opinions on what to do with OD next, technically and strategically, and associated costs, isn't visible enough for all the posters here to notice. I came across it by accident. Perhaps it's better to move it to a separate thread where everyone has a chance to see it.
8 replies and 156 views or so -- Are our members and senior members not seeing it or seeing it and just not responding?
C'mon, y'all. This isn't a test or anything. Please put in a quick note to share your thoughts here and consider it a free for all. I just re-upped the OD domain and sincerely want to know where, if anywhere, you envision OD going in the next year. Our Alexa numbers are currently dropping like a rock, although honestly I don't see it in the site stats. I'd love to have the opinion of the top 20 or 30 posters here. Since they are the ones who have invested the most time on these pages, their input goes a long way in shaping what I do or don't do. Just brainstorming here, that's all.
2003-09-15 08:22 | User Profile
Our Alexa numbers are currently dropping like a rock, although honestly I don't see it in the site stats.
My guess is that OD is maintaining or slightly increasing its actual traffic while some other web sites out there are just gaining in Alexa rankings.
While somewhat useful for bragging rights, Alexa isn't a perfect system, since I understand you need to have their toolbar installed to register as a browser in the statisitics.
What are the possibilities of outreach to some paleo pundits to become regular posters here? That would certainly help to drive up traffic if people like Sam Francis were regular posters. I imagine we already get a few "celebrity lurkers," but it would great if they were posters as well.
2003-09-15 15:27 | User Profile
My guess is that OD is maintaining or slightly increasing its actual traffic while some other web sites out there are just gaining in Alexa rankings.
While somewhat useful for bragging rights, Alexa isn't a perfect system, since I understand you need to have their toolbar installed to register as a browser in the statisitics.
I'm not ultimately concerned about Alexas. I hope you understood I was just using that as an example. Although I will say that its much easier to get other 'net entities to pay attention to you when the site's Alexas are high. Just a fact of life I guess and one we have to deal with since there are no other real alternatives in what Alexa does.
What are the possibilities of outreach to some paleo pundits to become regular posters here? That would certainly help to drive up traffic if people like Sam Francis were regular posters. I imagine we already get a few "celebrity lurkers," but it would great if they were posters as well.
I'm sure we have more than a few celebrity lurkers, most of which would never admit to visiting our board short of torture. That's a real problem to my mind, but nevertheless one we must face. We do have some internet prominent individuals that publicly post here from time to time.
Maybe we need some coffee mugs, t-shirts and bumper stickers. :-)
2003-09-15 15:40 | User Profile
Okiereddust, I'm a little puzzled by your comments. In what negative way would discussing strategy "rock the boat" ?
I didn't of course specifically refer to strategy, just was talking about change in general. Any change always stirs things up - "rocks the boat" so to speak. Any time we get a new member there's the certainty, no matter who heis, that he is going to differ with at lost one of us one one thing to some degree. Some people set up private forums for this purpose, and its easy to do. But I don't think OD should become a private forum.
I have no "plan to expand our cadre to a critical mass where it will attract more positive attention and publicity". I just want to exchange tips on how leaderless resisters can enlighten the dumb masses about the Jewish problem, and I think there are some capable minds here that could submit ideas. I'm not talking about violent revolution.
Well one of the things about enlightening the masses involves creating mass organizations, or at least with capabilities to reach the masses, which involves getting more people involved. As good and smart as you and I undoubtedly are, I don't think we're going to do this by ourselves.
I didn't think or say you were talking about violent revolution, and of course am glad you aren't.
I may be a little naive about security matters pertaining to internet forums. Please articulate on how this might be a security or stability risk.
I didn't say what you were specifically talking about was a security risk at all. I was talking about how it might present an opportunity to improve our security. I think we probably do need better security on this board to stay in business. Stormfront as I understand it spends a fairly substantial amount of time and money to defeat efforts of people to attack their site, - hacking, denial of service (DOS), etc. I spcifically know there's ben DOS attacks not just at Stormfront but here and at Liberty Forum.
If we do become larger, more effective, and more influential, we will attract more hostile opposition as well. That's inevitable, and we need to be prepared for it.
2003-09-15 16:17 | User Profile
I think we probably do need better security on this board to stay in business. Stormfront as I understand it spends a fairly substantial amount of time and money to defeat efforts of people to attack their site, - hacking, denial of service (DOS), etc. I spcifically know there's ben DOS attacks not just at Stormfront but here and at Liberty Forum.
If we do become larger, more effective, and more influential, we will attract more hostile opposition as well. That's inevitable, and we need to be prepared for it.
This is why I've been taking an in-depth look at converting to VBulletin, which is the software package Stormfront utilizes. It's a known entity that is evidently built to handle the very large boards/databases. Only thing is the price tag.
I've emailed Don Black to get his opinion of VB's security and support, pro and con, but as of yet have not received a reply.
2003-09-15 18:30 | User Profile
**Maybe we need some coffee mugs, t-shirts and bumper stickers. :-) **
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2003-09-15 18:55 | User Profile
I'm hoping a conversion won't depart from the interface of this forum; I love it the way it is. It's a breeze to use, search, and read...much better than any other forum I've been to.
I appreciate that, new. I've always been pleased with the functionality of this board, as well. However, we've gone down twice here recently and what it takes to get us back up and running again is quite an arduous task. I have my concerns about how willing the programmers are to support their product and fix what seems to be a programming issue causing repeated database corruption.
But like I said, this is still in the consideration stage so nothing has been decided either way. Thanks for the reply though.
2003-09-16 00:29 | User Profile
** Tex wrote:
I've emailed Don Black to get his opinion of VB's security and support, pro and con, but as of yet have not received a reply. **
Not to cast stones, but you are gonna be waiting a looooong time for a response.
T-shirts, mugs, etc. are a good idea. Also, have a radio/web show like Von Bluvens or similar mention OD. Also, surf the Net and ask various groups/websites to link to OD "if they like the content" at OD. [Try other people's "links pages" to find such places, as well].
2003-09-16 00:33 | User Profile
** Wintermute wrote:
I can't stress enough, though, that race is going to have to trump religion and politics in this struggle. **
[color=red][SIZE=3]YES.[/color][/SIZE]
It all hinges on race. If Whites do not survive, the West does not survive. Do the math.
2003-09-16 01:53 | User Profile
Wintermute,
Excellent post. I feel like I could talk to you for hours about techniques to recruit converts.
The Protocols have an antidote, it's in there somewhere, they call it initiative.
T.D.,
I read something in the "Birdman" site a few days ago, I can't find it now, about him getting a drastic drop in those Alexa ratings, which he thought was fudged. He suggested the "Foreskinners" were up to something. Maybe that's the case here.
Okiereddust,
I don't put much faith in mass organizions. They always seem to get hijacked by subversives. What I see here in terms of potential is an information center for leaderless resisters. I see many problems with being in or having been in an organization, such as if the question comes up on jury selection, or if one of us has injured someone while defending our property and someone yells "hate crime".
2003-09-16 02:08 | User Profile
I am aware of only the two ways Alexa is collecting its stats: the Alexa bar one has to install and, unconfirmed one, Explorer being in cahoots with Alexa and secretly sending stats to Alexa. The second one comes from Ad-aware detecting some suspicious registry setting under the Explorer hiearchy, with the word 'Alexa' in the path, after I installed a service pack.
So, if the posters here are not using the Alexa bar, and not running the Explorer with the spying program, how would they collect statistics. Perhaps they have some estimation for the sites with very low statistics, based on the number of links and such, but that would be utterly unreliable.
2003-09-16 02:12 | User Profile
MR is totally right on this.
Internet savy people disable cookies via their browser or a firewall. Hence greater traffic stats for more "pedestrian" sites.
2003-09-16 05:22 | User Profile
Not to cast stones, but you are gonna be waiting a looooong time for a response.
Actually Franco, I'm pleased to report that I have received a cordial and informative reply to my query from Mr. Black this very evening. Having ran several BB software programs throughout his long tenure on the internet, he gives VB the highest recommendation as the best that exist.
Now I have to decide if I want to make that investment or leap of faith, if you will. :)
2003-09-16 05:41 | User Profile
This is not going to be a well-received post, I can see that now.
However, and at the risk of permanent banishment, I'd like to add my $0.02 worth to this theme.
This is not scientific in any sense, but it seems to me that the number of views/responses to any posting is directly proportional to the frequency of occurence of as many as possible of the following featuring in the subject heading ââ¬ÅJew, Dubya, porn, Britney, Gibson, Coulter, homosexual, and Greekââ¬Â. The more that can be combined, as in ââ¬ÅDubya applauds Greek homos coupling with Britney and and Coulter in Jew-financed Gibson-helmed porn flickââ¬Â the more interest appears to be generated.
Add to this the endless sterile heathen vs Christian jousts of the how many angels can be accommodated on the head of a pin variety, not to mention the interminable and incomprehensible Slavic internecine squabbles, it is scarely surprising that the numbers are down.
It is almost incomprehensible to me that Friedrich Braunââ¬â¢s recent posting about Charles Murrayââ¬â¢s new book should generate absolutely no response on a supposedly WN-oriented forum, while obscure and irrelevant maunderings about ancient civilizations or obscure religious minutiae should attract such a devoted following.
There, I feel much better now, time for a lie down.
2003-09-16 07:30 | User Profile
This is not going to be a well-received post, I can see that now.
However, and at the risk of permanent banishment, I'd like to add my $0.02 worth to this theme.
Quit your whinin and bitchin. ;)
**This is not scientific in any sense, but it seems to me that the number of views/responses to any posting is directly proportional to the frequency of occurence of as many as possible of the following featuring in the subject heading ?Jew, Dubya, porn, Britney, Gibson, Coulter, homosexual, and Greek?. The more that can be combined, as in ?Dubya applauds Greek homos coupling with Britney and and Coulter in Jew-financed Gibson-helmed porn flick? the more interest appears to be generated.
Add to this the endless sterile heathen vs Christian jousts of the how many angels can be accommodated on the head of a pin variety, not to mention the interminable and incomprehensible Slavic internecine squabbles, it is scarely surprising that the numbers are down.**
Well you do make some accurate observations about the board, which of course reflect on some of the basic realities of forums, which we are trying improve.
Firstly, I've always suspected our high Alexa numbers were tied to a lot of these general flame threads, by people like Dark Eddy, rban, and Godless Capitalist, etc. They generatelarge numbers of traffic, and traffic that I suspect is less internet/monitoring savvy and/or phobic and therefore more likely to be picked up by the Alexa radar. It is interesting, however I wonder at its long term utility in really building this forum.
As to the religious and/or Slavic/germanic squabbles they may superficialy appear esoteric and/or incomprehensible, but they are after all two of the most troubling issues for the broad nationalist movement, which by its inability to resolve has led to its defeat. They are by no means simple or insignificant. Part of the difficulty of the nationalist movemeny actually is the reluctance to take these issues seriously. We think the other side is just going to come around to our side, or if they don't, they can be coerced into doing so. This just ain't going to happen.
And finally, part of any nationalist movements goal for itself arising out of years of surpression is going to be to redefine its identity. Such invariably involves discussions that may seem obscure or arcane superficially, but involve issues of important significance for participants.
In summary, I think this forum is really doing pretty well, considering what it has been dealt with. What it has been dealt with is a nationalist movement, that as any reasonable look reveals, as the recent internecine fights at the NA/VNN suggest, is always factious, anarchic, volatile, and simultaneously arcane and often somewhat distant from political reality.
I think OD is doing very well. If it is slow going often, you have to consider what it has been dealt with. Perhaps one of the best ways OD could benefit nationalism is if leaders, i.e. those few in the position to really influence a substantial number of people, could take a look at our deliberations and problems, reflect on the degree they reflect their own faulty leadership, and move on and learn.
Which of course is what I think we're trying to do at OD also.
It is almost incomprehensible to me that Friedrich Braun?s recent posting about Charles Murray?s new book should generate absolutely no response on a supposedly WN-oriented forum, while obscure and irrelevant maunderings about ancient civilizations or obscure religious minutiae should attract such a devoted following.
Do you have a link for that? It wasn't that long ago. All sorts of good articles genetrate small threads. In a sense it is because good articles don't need as much discussion.
Also it might be instructive to look at who generates the traffic on these threads. Its my general feeling that there are a certain number of posters on the pagan side of nationalism who mainly seem to like most to post on the religious threads. Regular paleoconsevative concerns seem often to be too mudane or bourgeois for them. Since NeoNietszche hasn't been around lately, I'll use his name. Friedrich himself I also distinctly remember starting out his presense here with a rather to my mind gratuitus and cheap religion bashing post. > There, I feel much better now, time for a lie down. I know you're joking, but quite straightforwardly that is the nature of forums. A lot of people use them for cathartic relief. Some of that is necessary, but nationalism needs to move beyond this if its going to ever accomplish anything. Hopefully we can come up with some concrete ideas here on doing so.
2003-09-16 14:03 | User Profile
The main thing that bugs me about VB boards are the low-rent color shcemes. I hope OD can get some decent color if it goes VB. And, that sort of thing does make a difference with first impressions.
Anyone got a platform for white nationalists, to communicate to others? IMO, the message has to use a language people are used to seeing, and the positions have to be possible. Here're some examples. A large enough segment of white culture has to have compatible opinions on the issues people talk about. This is where you'll reach people.
It's interesting, and I am reading, to talk about literature and the reason for things being the way they are, but the real motivation for people is giving them of vision of something better. Below are topics that people making decisions are talking about. If our positions on these issues don't attract people, IMO, we've done what we can do. Arguing on the internet is an excercise in futility, usually enaged in by youth lacking real world experience. If a group doesn't have an inteilligent, cohesive message, they don't deserve to get anything accomplished. I wouldn't mind some PMs on suggested stances on these issues. Mostly mission staements for each topic. Now, this is something you can distribute on a flyer, or in a post and make some sense with, if the positions aren't out to Pluto on the scale of reality. A constant, consistent message that is realistic. Every long journey begis with the first steps.
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2003-09-16 14:30 | User Profile
Well you do make some accurate observations about the board, which of course reflect on some of the basic realities of forums, which we are trying improve.
An excellent post, Okie. Very statesman like, and I mean that.
Of course we deal daily with those who bring their little squabbles onto our pages, create a whole lot of flurry and controversy, and then go off back to wherever they came from, sometimes in a huff and sometimes not. Our job is to consistently plod along moving forward with a firm enough foundation to weather these little storms, building a little here and there. It's most definitely a long-term view of slow but steady growth.
Some of the conflicts need to be addressed, as you mention. It has always been my hope that such conflicts can be debated here, without all the hyper-emotive rancor and insults. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work out like you draw it up. Some of the most heated disputes we've seen our pages lately have involved members who couldn't keep it on that level and we've all suffered because of it.
Anyway, good post and I agree with your sentiments.
2003-09-16 22:59 | User Profile
SF is a huge board and the quality of the posts varies accordingly. Yes, it has a lot of immature teenagers and ââ¬ÅHollywood Nazisââ¬Â, but SF also has many thoughtful posters. Letââ¬â¢s keep in mind that SF itââ¬â¢s the biggest WN site in the world. Heck, I was even quoted by the India Times recently! See bellow. Iââ¬â¢d say that thatââ¬â¢s indicative of the reach the board has in the world.
I used to think that SF was over-moderated, until I saw what happened at VNNforum (btw, is that board gone forever?). ââ¬ÅAntisââ¬Â should have been corralled off to a specific section ââ¬â this has been done very effectively at SF. You canââ¬â¢t have trolls, antis, ADL hacks, etc. roving around (often in concert) and sabotaging good threads with obscenities and inanities. I donââ¬â¢t mind antis as long as they remain civil and make a contribution. Iââ¬â¢m not afraid of a legitimate debate ââ¬â quite the contrary; I look forward to a meaningful exchange of ideas, accomplished in good faith.
Iââ¬â¢ve also noticed that SF has made an important change in its administration, i.e., after 40 posts or so, youââ¬â¢re no longer in moderation ââ¬â thatââ¬â¢s an improvement. Contributors shouldnââ¬â¢t have to wait two or three years before being able to post without being moderated. So, this indicates to me that SF is getting better.
I posted months ago on SF about a young Brit who was arrested and charged with a hate-crime for saying "Paki" during a soccer game; it looks like I'm being quoted by India Times. You never know who reads these boards...
**Briton banned from using racist term 'Paki' RASHMEE Z AHMED
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 13, 2003 09:13:01 PM ]
LONDON: 'Paki' has joined 'negro' as the 21st century's politically-incorrect "nuclear bomb of racial epithets" with a British man becoming the first to be threatened with a jail-term if he uses the 'P-word' ever again in his life.
In a decision described as the first-ever legal word-ban for an individual, a 31-year-old Briton has been told he faces five years in prison if he lets the word 'Paki' pass his lips again.
The man, Michael Guilfoyle, had aroused concern in Manchester, the north-western English city that is home to thousands of Indians and Pakistanis after he called one local government officer a "Paki bitch".
Manchester officials have refused to say if the woman he insulted was in fact Indian or Pakistani, underlining the extent to which the P-word has become synonymous with all South Asians.
On Wednesday, Britain's leading civil rights group Liberty, which is newly headed by a woman of Indian origin, described the word-ban as "bad law". It said the ban would "be almost impossible to enforce''.
And a prominent Asian lawyer told TNN 'Paki' is very different from the word 'negro. He said negro comes from the Latin denigrare, meaning to blacken, which became, in English, the word 'denigrate'. "Denigrating someone literally means to blacken them and it was meant as an insult. Not so, for Paki", he said.
But opinion remains divided on that.
In the meantime, a recent listing of other derogatory words commonly used on school playgrounds to describe Britain's several-million-strong Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi community has come up with the following: "Curry-muncher", "chutneys", "wogs" and "stanis".
Wednesday's word-ban comes barely three weeks after another white football fan was banned from matches and fined 250 pounds (Rs 18,000 approx) for lustily singing a football chant with the word "Paki".
The 21-year-old football fan had sung the words, "Your town is full of Pakis" to taunt the football team representing Oldham, a northern city bursting with people of Pakistani origin.
Linguists say 'Paki' may have fallen victim to the political fashions of the day, joining other taboo words such as "bum" (too much of a stigma, so replaced by homeless person); "fairy" (too homophobic, so replaced by mythical being); "foreign food" (too alien, so replaced by ethnic cuisine) and others.
Already, members of Stormfront, a hardline, anti-immigrant group has been describing the P-word ban as a sign "multiculturalism means the death of free speech in [color=red]Sovietized Britain[/color]".
A Liberty spokesman said, "Using the word Paki to incite racial violence is clearly an illegal act but chatting among your friends in the pub is a very different matter."
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2003-09-23 20:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=travis]TD, What address should donations be mailed to and to whom should the checks be made payable to?[/QUOTE]
Thank you for your query, travis. I have secured a PO Box and for the time being, you should make the checks or money orders out to me. As follows:
J. Hendon P.O. Box 2314 Spring, TX 77383
The help is greatly appreciated, not only from a strictly monetary standpoint, but it also lets me know that others out there are interested in helping build up our community into a serious presence both on the 'net and hopefully in the real world. That is my long-term goal and I hope others will come to share and support it. If it's not us, then who?
2003-09-23 23:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident] If it's not us, then who?[/QUOTE] Yep. I admire the part in Braveheart when Gibson says... Aye. Fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live. At least awhile... And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance -- just one chance -- to come back here and tell our enemies that they make take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!!" The whole point is what we accept in exchange for the enemies of freedom not to target us. Will we get to our last days, ashamed of doing so little(always waiting for someone else to lead), or calm in knowing we did all anyone could do, and maintained our principle and honor in the process.
2003-09-25 21:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]
C'mon, y'all. This isn't a test or anything. Please put in a quick note to share your thoughts here and consider it a free for all. I just re-upped the OD domain and sincerely want to know where, if anywhere, you envision OD going in the next year. Our Alexa numbers are currently dropping like a rock, although honestly I don't see it in the site stats. I'd love to have the opinion of the top 20 or 30 posters here. Since they are the ones who have invested the most time on these pages, their input goes a long way in shaping what I do or don't do. Just brainstorming here, that's all.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the biggest reason I've not been here much lately was the whole "Skinheads and neo-Nazis are bad" and the pro-White groups at each others' throats crap. I see enough of it on Stormfront and didn't feel like wading through it all here too.
2003-09-25 23:39 | User Profile
I will be sure to send a check in the week or so. I am sure the transition is having its effects on the Alexa numbers, but traffic will pick up again.
As far as where OD could go--here's my two cents:
It would be good to stick all the articles on the homepage into an 'Archive' section. Instead of only having original content, consider making most the articles links to people such as MacDonald, the America First Party, one or two of the better VNN articles, etc. At the same time, solicit calls for new essay from individuals such as Wintermute, Friedrich Baum, etc.
2003-09-26 00:28 | User Profile
Rumblestrip wrote:
Actually, the biggest reason I've not been here much lately was the whole "Skinheads and neo-Nazis are bad" and the pro-White groups at each others' throats crap. I see enough of it on Stormfront and didn't feel like wading through it all here too.
Yes, there are certain factions at OD who want to re-Christianize America -- which I do not object to per se, as long as that Christianity is not "JudeoChristian" and is not actively anti-Nazi. If those "new" Christians tell the whole truth, e.g. Father Coughlin, fine. But they won't, or, they will at first, and then some Bob BibleWhacker TV preacher will start kissing Jewish ass after a couple of years of Jews calling them "anti-Semites."
If you wanna bring out a Father Coughlin/his type, fine. But is that ever gonna happen? :taz:
2003-09-26 19:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Yes, there are certain factions at OD who want to re-Christianize America -- which I do not object to per se, as long as that Christianity is not "JudeoChristian" and is not actively anti-Nazi. If those "new" Christians tell the whole truth, e.g. Father Coughlin, fine. But they won't, or, they will at first, and then some Bob BibleWhacker TV preacher will start kissing Jewish ass after a couple of years of Jews calling them "anti-Semites."
If you wanna bring out a Father Coughlin/his type, fine. But is that ever gonna happen? :taz:[/QUOTE] I haven't seen that here, yet. To me, there's a big difference between being a Christian and being a lapdog for the Jews. I believe God has instructed us to leave justice to him. However, we are free to defend ourselves...the difference between seeeking revenge and avenging an event. Revenge involves only payback and no desire for justice. Bad people have done the same to Christians as they have done to "conservatives". The definitions have been changed to protect the guilty.
2003-10-26 04:58 | User Profile
I have not gotten used to the new forum software yet and I am not sure how to quote another post without quoting the whole thing. Other then that I have no complaints.
As to where to go with board i'll simply say that I push a very simple agenda of promoting a senible and principled ideology and the tactics to advance it. To the extent that I think I can do those things here with the 30 to 60 minutes per day I can spend here I am content. My only real concern at the moment is that several of the posters in the VNN/Bill White thread are very rude and I am quickly feeling that they should be watched but not responded to. In terms of practical actism I can't say much till my re-election bid is over and then I'll focus on that matter.
Oh, by the way TD have a look at the last post I made in the Zionism: a Defense article and give me your input.
2005-09-10 12:34 | User Profile
TexDissident:
To the fella who wrote that a publicity contest be held, to determine the Movers & Shakers of OD: I concur.
Let it begin. :batman: