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2003-09-09 06:22 | User Profile
Islamic Nations Slaughter, Enslave Christians December 16, 2001 by Tom Barrett [email=Editor@ConservativeTruth.org]Editor@ConservativeTruth.org[/email]
THERE IS NOT ONE CHRISTIAN NATION ON EARTH WHERE MUSLIMS ARE PERSECUTED. Yet in 83% of nations where the majority of the population are Muslims, there is systematic government persecution of Christians. (See "Religious Freedom in the Majority Islamic Countries" in the Resources section below.) This persecution includes imposing the death penalty for sharing the Christian faith with a Muslim; national laws prohibiting conversion from Islam to Christianity; destruction of churches; and murder or expulsion of Christian missionaries. Even in the few predominantly Muslim countries where the government does not openly participate in the persecution, it ignores and even encourages illegal persecution by Muslims against Christians.
I spent hours going through the well-documented profiles of the forty-six countries listed in the report mentioned above. Of these, six did not have significant Muslim populations. Of the thirty-nine with a strong Muslim majority, only seven could be considered to be either neutral or tolerant toward their Christian minorities. If the United States were to treat its roughly two million Muslims with one-tenth of the violence and humiliation that these Islamic nations heap on their Christians, the worldwide outcry would be immediate, and justified. Why, then, does the "Community of Nations," including the United States, turn a deaf ear to the cries of the persecuted Christians in Muslim nations?
The laws of most of these Islamic nations give lip service to religious freedom. Nothing could be further from the truth. In most of the countries I researched, the death penalty was common for converting from Islam to Christianity (or any other religion). Christians receive no protection from these governments when they are persecuted; indeed, most often the governments themselves are the persecutors. Children of Christians are stolen from their parents so that they can be raised as Muslims. Speaking about Christianity to a Muslim can result in beatings, long prison sentences and even death.
The most urgent situation demanding our attention today is in Indonesia, which has the largest Muslim population of any non-Arab country. There Islamic fundamentalists have promised a bloodbath of Christians before Christmas. This is no idle threat; in 1996 Islamic fundamentalists slaughtered 3,000 Christians in East Timor. More recently, a group called Laskar Jihad, which hails Osama bin Laden as its hero, slaughtered thousands of Christians with the help of government troops. (See "Christians Terrorized in Muslim Indonesia" in the Resources section.) An Indonesian military officer is quoted as saying that the government has the power to stop the Jihad, but government officials "all the way to the top" profit from it. Their goal is nothing less than to exterminate every Christian in Indonesia or force them to leave. According to Steven Snyder, the president of International Christian Concern who visited Indonesia in November, about 15,000 Laskar Jihad troops equipped with AK-47 assault rifles, rocket launchers and bulldozers are threatening to kill 50,000 Christians and destroy their homes and churches in the next week.
In Sudan, Christians are sold into slavery or murdered for no other crime than naming the Name of Christ. Over two million have been murdered, and 200,000 have been sold into slavery by their government. An organization named Christian Solidarity International (PLEASE visit C.S.I.ââ¬â¢s website listed in Resources Section) has raised money to buy almost 60,000 slaves from their captors and free them. One 22-year-old Protestant girl, a virgin, was captured by government soldiers and raped repeatedly for five days as she was marched through the jungle tied to twenty other slaves. Many women and children died during this march. She was then used as a slave and forced to study Islam until bought out of slavery by C.S.I. You can read her complete story and those of other slaves at [url=http://www.csi-int.ch/csi-trp/csi-trp_0003a.htm]http://www.csi-int.ch/csi-trp/csi-trp_0003a.htm[/url] (scroll down to section IV, item B).
What about our "allies"? You can dress a monster up in a pinstriped suit, teach him to speak formally and use the right fork at state dinners, and put him in a group of diplomats for for a photo opportunity, but that doesnââ¬â¢t make him civilized. Our "friends" in the international community, including Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt, and our most recent buddy, Pakistan, are all guilty of atrocities against Christians based on nothing other than their profession of faith. Let me emphasize that we are not talking about a radical minority of citizens acting on their own. We are talking about systematic state persecution, state murder and state crimes against humanity, all legal according to the various constitutions and laws of these vicious nations.
Letââ¬â¢s start with our "friend and ally," Saudi Arabia. Their "Constitution" is the Koran. This nation, whose population is 98% Muslim, finances Islamic terrorist groups in moderate Islamic nations which force conversion to Islam under the threat of death. In Saudi Arabia, rape is punishable by death- unless it is a Muslim man violating a Christian woman. The Saudis are so rich from their oil that most refuse to do common labor, so they import six million foreign workers. Of these, ten percent are Christians. They are not allowed to wear a cross in public and or to celebrate Christmas, but are forced to observe Ramadan. Christians, even tourists, have been arrested by the Religious Police for participating in prayer meetings in private homes. Any who speak of their faith publicly are tortured in an attempt to convert them to Islam. Those who refuse are executed. Punishment for distributing Bibles can range from lashes with a whip or amputation of a limb, to beheading.
Turkey, our "military ally", is 99.8% Muslim. Recently, eight Americans were arrested in Turkey for the "crime" of giving away copies of the New Testament. In 1974 Turkey overran Cyprus - which is 80% Christian - and has ruled that small nation with an iron fist since then. The Turkish government expelled thousands of Orthodox Christians, then took a thousand-year-old monastery and turned it into a mosque! Imagine the international outcry if a mosque anywhere were to be stolen by a government and turned into a Christian church.
Egypt, described by our State Department as a "friend of the United States" is one of the worst persecutors of Christians. In Cairo an entire Christian neighborhood was set on fire by Islamic terrorists. Children were thrown out of windows in front of their horrified parents, churches were burned and Christianââ¬â¢s homes destroyed. This went on for two days without the government doing anything to stop it. Egyptian security forces have been accused by eye-witnesses of raping, then crucifying adolescent girls.
In Pakistan recently a 14-year-old Christian girl was kidnapped, forced to convert to Islam, then raped and given to a Muslim to be one of his wives. The pleas of her parents were ignored by the police. In 1997, Islamic extremists, aided by Pakistani police, destroyed the homes of 800 Christians as well as thirteen churches, because they had "insulted Islam." A few weeks ago six children and nine adults were gunned down as they worshiped in a Christian church. This terrorist nation is our newest "ally" in the war against terrorism.
The Libyan government took a Christian Cathedral and converted it to a mosque. In Kuwait, the nation Americaââ¬â¢s military saved from a brutal occupation by Iraq, the government tries to bribe Christians to convert to Islam. A Kuwaiti Christian was recently condemned to die by the religious court for converting from Islam. It should come as no surprise that 150,000 Christians have fled Iraq to avoid persecution. Over 150 Christian churches have been demolished in Iraq, where death is the penalty for proclaiming faith in Christ, and where Saddam Hussein has proclaimed himself "The Defender of the Islamic Faith."
Hundreds of Christian missionaries have been murdered in Algeria and other Islamic nations. Iran pretends to have religious freedom, but students in all schools are forced to study Islam, as are draftees in their military services. Conversion to any religion other than Islam brings a swift death sentence. If space permitted, I could give hundreds of other examples of atrocities committed by Muslims against Christians simply because of their faith. The events I have described are happening as you read this. Christians are being tortured today because they will not convert to Islam. Christians are dying today because they dare to speak the Name of Christ.
Our President has stated repeatedly that Islam is a peaceful religion which has "been hijacked by radicals." I know why he makes that statement. If Bush said anything else, he would be labeled a hate-monger, as I am sure I will be for speaking the truth. The facts speak for themselves. Do the research, as I have done. Eighty-three percent of the governments of nations with a Muslim majority kill, enslave, and persecute Christians with the blessings (and very often, the complicity) of their Islamic clergy. Iââ¬â¢m sure that there are many kind, loving Muslims who live in those countries. I just wonder why they allow such atrocities to be committed in the name of their religion.
Most of you who have written to me about the goodness and kindness of Muslims know only Muslims who live in this country. They have been influenced by the values of America, which include tolerance toward other religions, values based on the Bible. Many U.S. Muslim immigrants are as horrified as we are by the actions of Muslims in the countries of their birth (see the letter from a subscriber on this subject following the Resources section)..."
[url=http://www.conservativetruth.org/archives/tombarrett/12-16-01.shtml]http://www.conservativetruth.org/archives/.../12-16-01.shtml[/url]
2003-09-09 07:03 | User Profile
*THERE IS NOT ONE CHRISTIAN NATION ON EARTH WHERE MUSLIMS ARE PERSECUTED. *
E-Z solution: Let Christians live in Christian countries and Muslims live in Muslim countries.
And by the way, welcome to OD, George Dubya! Just knew you'd make it! :P
2003-09-09 07:10 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ragnar@Sep 9 2003, 01:03 * ** > THERE IS NOT ONE CHRISTIAN NATION ON EARTH WHERE MUSLIMS ARE PERSECUTED. *
E-Z solution: Let Christians live in Christian countries and Muslims live in Muslim countries.
And by the way, welcome to OD, George Dubya! Just knew you'd make it! :P **
Thank you very Much for the welcome.
Unfotunately Christians are being Purged from Muslim Countries in Africa, The Middle East, and Asia, while Islam is not only tolerated here but likes to brag it's the fastest growing religion. Ironic.. They're really just bragging about being intolerant.
The INS is finally getting it's act together a little... I think they were about set to deport 13,000 Muslims (illegals) a few months ago.. I'll have to check.
2003-09-09 07:29 | User Profile
America is a majority-Christian nation, and while Muslims are not the victims of official, wholesale persecution within American borders, they have certainly been victimized by the relentless bombings and economic sanctions leveled against their nations by the Israeli-controlled USA. Persecution is persecution regardless of whether it is directed at those outside one's borders or at those within.
Another thing to note is that Muslims have not usurped control over the US government and other aspects of US society; pro-Israel Jews HAVE done so, and they manipulate US institutions to benefit Israel.
2003-09-09 07:33 | User Profile
Muslims are Persecuting Christians Worldwide, whether or not the USA is involved or not.
2003-09-09 07:45 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Aryan_Scum@Sep 9 2003, 02:33 * ** Muslims are Persecuting Christians Worldwide, whether or not the USA is involved or not. **
Careful, AS. Angler gave you a civil reply and I'll be expecting twice as much civility from you. That is assuming of course, that you want to hang around long enough to argue your positions.
2003-09-09 07:49 | User Profile
Originally posted by Aryan_Scum@Sep 9 2003, 01:33 * ** Muslims are Persecuting Christians Worldwide, whether or not the USA is involved or not.*
The point is that majority-Christian Americans are doing essentially the same thing to Muslims that some Muslims are doing to Christians around the world. That means that American Christians can't claim the moral high ground in that regard.
And don't tell me I'm Jew-obsessed just because I care to respond to your transparent pro-Jew propaganda. I know for a fact that one of the main purposes of Zionist propaganda is to vilify Muslims in the eyes of Americans as much as possible. Pro-Israeli Jews want Americans to fight their battles for them, and that's almost certainly why you started this thread.
Lastly, why the hell should I believe the claims of the author of that article? He's another neocon with a standard neocon agenda.
2003-09-09 07:54 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Sep 9 2003, 01:45 * ** "....Careful, AS. Angler gave you a civil reply and I'll be expecting twice as much civility from you. .."" **
Why is that?
2003-09-09 10:09 | User Profile
Aryan scum,
Like you, I am also happy to see these Muslims deported. They have no business in the West and should live in their own lands. While the U.S. is at it, it should take another group of unassimilable people and ship them to their homeland as well. The Jews can resume their tribal sqaubble with the Arabs to their heart's content without the rest of us being dragged into it.
2003-09-09 18:42 | User Profile
Sertorius you are Highly Mistaken in saying Jews are "Unassimilable".
I wish you would read the strings here on Jewish Demographics.
Ironically, this country, the one that shows the most acceptance for Jews (except for you and many others here) is slowly wiping them out by assimilation by that very acceptance. 60% of Jews marry non-Jews and the US Jewish population is acually shrinking even as the total US population rises. That 60% Figure is one that has risen virtually every Year and may rise yet further.
2003-09-09 18:52 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Aryan_Scum@Sep 9 2003, 18:42 * ** 60% of Jews marry non-Jews and the US Jewish population is acually shrinking even as the total US population rises. **
Learn to focus, George Dubya.
Going from Muslim persecution in the Near East to Jewish-American demographics in less than a half-dozen posts? That's not principled opposition, that's channel surfing.
Many ODers can stay on-point and back their claims. Check around and see how it's done. You can learn lotsa good stuff.
2003-09-09 18:58 | User Profile
scum,
you've registered on my troll-o-meter :dung:
I am pulling out my troll-blasting shotgun :gun:
Don't mess with Texas, punk :cowboy:
2003-09-09 19:00 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ragnar+Sep 9 2003, 12:52 -->
QUOTE* (Ragnar @ Sep 9 2003, 12:52 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Aryan_Scum@Sep 9 2003, 18:42 * ** 60% of Jews marry non-Jews and the US Jewish population is acually shrinking even as the total US population rises. ** Learn to focus, George Dubya.
Going from Muslim persecution in the Near East to Jewish-American demographics in less than a half-dozen posts? That's not principled opposition, that's channel surfing...""
**
Uh Ragnar..
You learning to read might help.
I was merely answering/Rebutting Sertorius' charge that jews are "UNassimilable".
Try again... and please do stay on the string topic yourself.
Zoroaster
2003-09-09 19:18 | User Profile
[url=http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-USSR.html]http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovern...ments-USSR.html[/url]
Jews, Communism, and The Job of Killing Off the Christians Soviet-Zionist-Jewry in Historical Perspectives, Smalls Crane Co., pp. 29-31
In the Soviet Union, the communist party, run mostly for the benefit of its Jewish founders who made up approximately 90% of the founding fathers and administrators of the Soviet Union, hid behind their leftist doctrine which had been designed to undermine Christianity in the name of materialism and social science. These administrators of the Soviet Union who were detailed in reports to the U.S. State Department from Russia in 1919 were instrumental in instructing their cohorts to send out Jewish commissars like Kaganovitch and Beria to kill approximately 100 million White European Christians whom they called "reactionary bourgeoisie" for correctness in 1920-1940. What they meant by "bourgeoisie" were Russia's Christians. In addition to killing the Christian peasants under the materialist aegis of communism, the churches and parochial schools were confiscated or burned as were their Christian towns; the priests were either murdered or sent to prisons, and all vestiges of Christianity were as nearly as possible expunged. Once the Christians in an entire area were killed, the Jews brought in new non-Christians, atheists, who were relocated there to re-establish the economic exploitation of the emptied lands in agricultural communes similar to the kibbutzim programs in Israel which were begun at the same time. At this point in history, the Jews and Zionists in power declared anti-Semitism to be a capital crime, because the Christians who were being killed by these communist Jews in Russia had developed groups to protect themselves and were critical of the Jewish excesses in the matter of their own genocide with whom they naturally refused to cooperate without fighting for their very lives. The accusation of anti-Semitism in Russia became a mandatory death sentence to any Christian fighting against the Jewish oppression of Christianity in the Soviet Union, especially if these Christians even identified the names of the many thousands of Jews in control of their anti-Christian extermination policy. The Jewish-led anti-Christian genocide in Russia was basically a totally Jewish-run and definitely anti-Christian Affair using communism and anti-reactionary programs as the ideological communist "cover" for wiping out Christianity. The Jews basically ran the Russian government and hid behind its skirts as they carried out their murders across the Russian Continent. It was never reported in the United States, because the media was controlled mostly by Jewish owners who were uninterested in exposing Americans to an atrocity by Jews. Only Henry Ford, who own his own newspaper, got the word out, and he was severely criticized as being anti-Semitic for his honesty in exposing this matter of Christian genocide by the Jews. In China, more than 80 million oriental peasants were killed by the Chinese Communist Party which learned from the Russians how to run a revolution. Especially sought out for instant extermination during The Big March and beyond were those peasants who were Christians, Buddhists, or Islamics and anyone else associated with a religion or philosophy or God concept who were non-materialistic in thought. Like Russian Liberals, the Chinese communists did not want "other leaders" and "other systems" teaching their people. Religion in China, as in Russia, was called the "opiate of the people" and, as in Russia, this was used to justify the mass murder of priests, devotees, and other adherents of non-communist religions. Today in China, Christians are still being mistreated, and many churches are inundating the west coast of the United States with Chinese Christian refugees desperate to escape the on-going anti-Christian purges. The great international conspiracies of communism, socialism, liberalism, Masonry, and Zionism were always interconnected and have created all of our world wars, cold wars, economic depressions, and divisive genocidal conduct throughout the world, mainly because their conspirators who have created these agencies of death carried an anti-Christian agenda which was hidden behind the false curtain of secular materialist intellectuality. Those believing there is no international conspiracy going back more than one hundred years cannot explain the existence of the State of Israel without studying the conspiracies stemming from the Zionist World Congress in the 1800's whose final fruit is Israel itself as well as the two world wars, communism, the secret Balfour Declaration under which Zionists promised Britain they would bring the United States into the First World War using their blackmail of President Wilson over his sexual liaisons at Princeton (a la Benjamin Freedman's books), the 3-day communist takeover in Germany in 1919 under Rosa Luxembourg whose Jewish-Communist Conspiracy resulted in the abdication of the Kaiser who crossed into Denmark for safety, the collapse of the German front due to Jewish-inspired leftist armaments production strikes in Germany in the middle of the war, the later Christian genocide of 1920-1940 by the Zionists in Russia, the Jewish-inspired world blockade of Germany in 1933 (see Freedman), and the Jewish-Zionist German diplomatic assassination in Poland in 1937 which triggered Krystal Nacht and the persecution of Jews by the nearly starved Germans. Most of the adherents had little idea they were being manipulated by persons who, in the background, were orchestrating genocide against members of their own societies, and that type of hidden agenda and hidden genocide is a major point in the correct administration of worldwide conspiracies. These conspiracies are also being carried out in America and Europe today where immigration is supported in order to eliminate as many Christian Europeans as possible from the world stage. In reality, these outcomes were planned more than one hundred years ago and outlined in little read but always available Jewish, Masonic, and communist publications composed mostly by Zionist anti-Christian conspirators bent on genocidal acts and world domination by moneyed interests.
Some Pertinent References on this Subject... The Protocols of Zion [url=http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/protocol.html]http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/protocol.html[/url] (The anti-Christian Jewish Conspirators speak. Very much like The Prince in aspect, and, although authorship has always been disputed, this does not matter. Most will agree that the methods contained therein are evidently in very wide use today.) The Works of Benjamin Freedman [url=http://www.best.com/~jdulaney/jews.html]http://www.best.com/~jdulaney/jews.html[/url] Benjamin Freedman was a One-Time Jewish Zionist Conspirator who felt guilty and told all. Freedman who was a Jewish conspirator turned patriot spilled the beans on Zionism in the 1940's and 1950's, spending millions in telling the conspirators' stories including the Wilson and Roosevelt and NYC-Moscow-Zionism connections to the American public. The International Jew by Henry Ford [url=http://www.pohlynx.com/~politics/antisemi/internat_jew.html]http://www.pohlynx.com/~politics/antisemi/...ternat_jew.html[/url] Much maligned, but an excellent starting point bringing out many facts about the Jewish connection to the stock markets, international banking, the Semitic-NYC-Moscow Express, the liberalization of America, and other incendiary historical facts which you will never see in the New York Times. When you realize that Ford owned his own newspaper and the damage done to Zionist conspiracies by that paper, you will understand the deep Jewish need to control all media. Crossposted References Assembled by George V. Cousins for Internet
Aryan_Chum
2003-09-09 19:22 | User Profile
I put up links about Current Persecution from gospelcom.net and Conservativetruth.org and you spout 100 year old 'commie' Trash from 'Top 5' Hate site Jewwatch! :thd:
LOL
Zoroaster
2003-09-09 19:48 | User Profile
History not only tell us what happened in the past, but it also makes the past alive so that it can explain Jews and make a future possible for non-Jews.
-Z-
xmetalhead
2003-09-09 20:17 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Aryan_Scum@Sep 9 2003, 02:10 * ** Unfotunately Christians are being Purged from Muslim Countries in Africa, The Middle East, and Asia, while Islam is not only tolerated here but likes to brag it's the fastest growing religion. Ironic.. They're really just bragging about being intolerant.
**
Apparently Saddam Hussein's Iraq had many Assyrian Catholics living in relative peace before the American invasion. They were certainly tolerated by the Muslims in Iraq. Who knows what will become of them now. High ranking Tariq Aziz was a Christian and a world recognized Iraqi official. Oh, but right, that country had to be destroyed in order for it to be "free". One Mid East country that definitely doesn't tolerate Christians: Israel.
jamestown
2003-09-09 20:52 | User Profile
Originally posted by xmetalhead+Sep 9 2003, 14:17 -->
QUOTE* (xmetalhead @ Sep 9 2003, 14:17 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Aryan_Scum@Sep 9 2003, 02:10 * ** Unfotunately Christians are being Purged from Muslim Countries in Africa, The Middle East, and Asia, while Islam is not only tolerated here but likes to brag it's the fastest growing religion. Ironic.. They're really just bragging about being intolerant. **
Apparently Saddam Hussein's Iraq had many Assyrian Catholics living in relative peace before the American invasion. They were certainly tolerated by the Muslims in Iraq. Who knows what will become of them now. High ranking Tariq Aziz was a Christian and a world recognized Iraqi official. Oh, but right, that country had to be destroyed in order for it to be "free". One Mid East country that definitely doesn't tolerate Christians: Israel. **
Saddam never persecuted the Christian minority because the Baathist ideology is secular. An Arab Christian was the founder of Baathism, that is nothing else than Arab National Socialism. The fact that Christians could live their faith without persecution has nothing to do with the tolerance of islam. Indeed, islamic clerics from the Shia faith were persecuted by Saddam. Saddam feared the Shiites most, so he tried to ally with other ethnic groups. Just wait until an islamic government takes over. In Egypt, 10% of the population are Christian, and they are victims of regular massacres. In the Lebanon, the Christian share of the population is falling every year. In Turkey, at its foundation 80 years ago, 20% of its population were Christian, now they are only 1% of the population. Europe has been at war with Islam ever since its appearance from the Arabian peninsular. Maybe Americans are not aware of that fact as your country was founded at a time when the major battles of the West against Islam were already won. Islam is even more lethal for Europe than the jews or communism.
2600
2003-09-09 21:44 | User Profile
Islam! Perhaps as great a threat as dreaded (and of course, anti-Semitic) communism?....:jest:
Perhaps we should invade these countries and install 'liberal democracies' to ensure that everyone is treated fairly?
edward gibbon
2003-09-09 23:35 | User Profile
jamestown> Maybe Americans are not aware of that fact as your country was founded at a time when the major battles of the West against Islam were already won. Islam is even more lethal for Europe than the jews or communism. The siege of Vienna was in 1683, some 60 years after the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock.
Faust
2003-09-10 01:50 | User Profile
jamestown,
You are most Right!
Maybe Americans are not aware of that fact as your country was founded at a time when the major battles of the West against Islam were already won. Islam is even more lethal for Europe than the jews or communism.
edward gibbon is also right that battles against Islam was not yet won in 1620
And who was always ready to help the Mohammudans in thier Conquests?
**Judaic/Berber Participation in the Islamic Conquest of Southern Iberia.
The converted Jews and Berbers became a significant part of the Arab forces which invaded Iberia. The commander of the joint Berber/Arab army which crossed the strait between Africa and Europe to conquer Spain in 711 CE was a Judeo/Berber convert said to have been one of the sons of Queen Kahena. His Arab name, Jibral-an-Tarik, became transcribed into the name of the fortress, Gibraltar, and the rock is referred to as Tarikââ¬â¢s rock.
Many African Jews entered conversion pragmatically, secretly continuing their faith as did the Marranos of a later period. The Iberian Jews consequently collaborated fully with the invaders. The pragmatism of the converted Jews proved advantageous to both the Arabs and the Iberian Jews. The Arabs were dependant on both the Berber convertees and the Iberian Jews for a successful invasion and thereafter for maintaining their hegemony over the conquered region of Iberia.
Arab chroniclers record that the conquerors entrusted the garrisoning of such important cities as Elvira, Seville, and Cordoba to the Jews while the invaders pressed on in hot pursuit of the fleeing Christian forces. One chronicler informs us that Malaga, which had no Jews, could not be garrisoned because no Jews resided in the city and the Christians had all fled!
The gates to the strategic city of Toledo were opened by Jews on a Palm Sunday when the Christians were attending church services. The imminence of the Arab attack had been anticipated, for the Visigothan grandees had already fled the city, and the archbishop had made tracks all the way to Rome.
"The Berber/Arab successes in Iberia were made possible only by the assistance and collaboration of both the Sephardim and the formerly Berber Jews. Once empowered, the primitive Berbers and Arabs, dependant on the industrial and commercial sagacity of the Jews for the continuation and growth of their societies and economies, instituted a period of tolerance. The Arabs absorbed the scholarly attributes of an advanced civilization. Many of the "Arab" philosophers, poets, mathematicians and scientists were converted Jews, or descendants of converted Jews. A new enlightened era for both Arabs and Jews was born.
Jews regained the right to practice their faith and the Jewish populations of North African towns soon burgeoned with new, vibrant Jewish communities.
"In Kairuwan and the province of Ifriqiya, the famous heir of the ancient Carthagenians-Semitic civilization, the Jews, reinforced by numerous arrivals from Egypt and Palestine, had a fully developed life at the time of the Fatimid rise to power (909). In fact... the enemies of the new dynasty asserted that it had much Jewish blood in its veins... During the tenth century the city of Kairuwan, glorified by the Arabs as one of the four gates to Paradise, embraced a large and prosperous Jewish community. The latter soon felt strong enough to throw off the tutelage of the eastern academies.... Fez.... became from its inception (808) a major center of Jewish culture."19
Likewise, the liberal policies of the new Berber rulers of Spain laid the foundation for "The Golden Age" of Sephardic Judaism.
[url=http://www.hebrewhistory.org/index.html]http://www.hebrewhistory.org/index.html[/url]**
This is from Jewish Website I might add. The is full of much nonsense too I also note site repeats the long disproven lie that Siegfried Markus built the first Automobile.
The Case Siegfried Markus THE FIRST AUTOMOBILE? [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=3367&hl=siegfried,and,marcus]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...ried,and,marcus[/url]
Campion Moore Boru
2003-09-10 04:39 | User Profile
More of Hyman's transparent attempts to drag us into his blood feuds as his Shabbos Goylem.
You really helped the Christians out in Lebanon, huh Hyman? Good job. Now you have another country packed with Hyman hating Muslims to your north. The fact that you destroyed a two thousand year old Christian culture was just incidental.
After all, it was good for Hyman at the time.
iwannabeanarchy
2003-09-10 06:04 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Angler@Sep 9 2003, 01:49 * ** The point is that majority-Christian Americans are doing essentially the same thing to Muslims that some Muslims are doing to Christians around the world. That means that American Christians can't claim the moral high ground in that regard.
And don't tell me I'm Jew-obsessed just because I care to respond to your transparent pro-Jew propaganda. I know for a fact that one of the main purposes of Zionist propaganda is to vilify Muslims in the eyes of Americans as much as possible. Pro-Israeli Jews want Americans to fight their battles for them, and that's almost certainly why you started this thread.
Lastly, why the hell should I believe the claims of the author of that article? He's another neocon with a standard neocon agenda. **
No we are not doing to Muslims what Muslims do to us. What a load of bollocks. Do Westerns deny citizens of our nations the right to practise their religion, or to proslytize? No.
We kill the Muslim scum who wish us dead in their own lands. They are foreign, enemy nationals.
It is too bad that we cannot do the same to the Muslim fanatics who have made it to our shores, but liberal democracy has it's downsides.
The enemy of your enemy is sometimes your friend--in this case, we just have two enemies, leftist Jews and Muslim fanatics. We need to crush them both. If the Muslim wackos get out of hand, a devastating nuclear 1st strike is still an option. Who cares that they have bred like cockroaches in Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran, etc. If things get out of hand, they are all dead.