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Thread ID: 9534 | Posts: 11 | Started: 2003-09-04
2003-09-04 21:01 | User Profile
** [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/3081252.stm]http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/euro...ope/3081252.stm[/url]
Russian Church in gay wedding row
The Russian Orthodox Church has defrocked a priest for conducting the country's first reported gay wedding.
Church authorities in the city of Nizhny Novgorod, east of Moscow, said the ceremony was a blasphemous act and a gimmick to attract public attention to single-sex unions.
"The Russian Orthodox Church is against single-sex marriages and condemns homosexual relations as a deadly sin," the diocese press service said in a statement.
A spokesman for the diocese described the priest who conducted the service, Father Vladimir, as a "black sheep".
Partners Denis Gogolev and Misha Morozov have described the ceremony, which took place on Monday, as the first ever gay church wedding in Russia.
"Misha and I want to show that gays can and should live in Russia, and quite openly," Mr Gogolev said.
'Spouses'
They took their vows in a small chapel, exchanging rings, circling the altar and donning crowns as in a traditional Orthodox wedding.
Newspaper reports said there was some confusion during the service, with the priest asking who was the husband and who was the wife.
Mr Gogolev replied that they did not mind and both wished to be considered "spouses".
Homosexual relations between men were considered a crime in Soviet times.
They were legalised in 1993 - though a group of members of the Russian parliament last year tried to reverse the move in what they said was a campaign to restore traditional moral values.
Excommunication
The Russian Orthodox Church also opposes euthanasia, abortion and artificial insemination.
A priest who conducts a gay wedding could face excommunication, Father Alexander of the Nizhny Novgorod diocese told the Reuters news agency.
Both the men married by Father Vladimir are standing in December's parliamentary elections.
They are putting their hopes in the female vote.
"Women love and respect us," Denis said. "They even idolise us." **
Good to see that the Russian Orthodox Church won't tolerate this kind of :dung: ! They have more balls than the Espicolian church! Good job ROC! :th:
2003-09-04 21:04 | User Profile
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Good to see that the Russian Orthodox Church won't tolerate this kind of :dung: ! They have more balls than the Espicolian church! Good job ROC! :th: **
Yes, but it appears that the commies tolerated it even less, which makes one wonder.
2003-09-04 21:04 | User Profile
A popular Russian slur is "pidor", meaning homo. It would be a tough task to teach "tolerance" to the Russians when the language has such patterns of usage.
2003-09-04 21:06 | User Profile
A popular Russian slur is "pidor", meaning homo.
In Polish it is "Pedal", meaning "faggot".
2003-09-04 21:13 | User Profile
*Originally posted by madrussian@Sep 4 2003, 15:04 * ** A popular Russian slur is "pidor", meaning homo. It would be a tough task to teach "tolerance" to the Russians when the language has such patterns of usage. **
I always thought faggot was "goloboi" which also strangely means "blue".
2003-09-04 21:19 | User Profile
"goluboi" is something like "queer" and "pidor" like "homo" in their offensiveness. So you would say "goluboi rennick" and "pidor rban" :D
2003-09-04 21:23 | User Profile
*Originally posted by madrussian@Sep 4 2003, 15:19 * ** "goluboi" is something like "queer" and "pidor" like "homo" in their offensiveness. So you would say "goluboi rennick" and "pidor rban" :D **
Da ya ponimayu ceichas! For those who don't speak Russian: Yes I understand now!
Rban, that Hara Krishna rat! :lol:
2003-09-06 02:46 | User Profile
Too Bad that don't burn people these days. They need to bring back burning at the stake! Burn all three of those Sodomite Heretics at the stake!
2003-09-06 03:27 | User Profile
Originally posted by Faust@Sep 5 2003, 20:46 * ** Too Bad that don't burn people these days. They need to bring back burning at the stake! Burn all three of those Sodomite Heretics at the stake!* **
I don't think the Orthodox Church ever used the practice of burning people at the stake or having inquisitions.
2003-09-06 03:49 | User Profile
perun1201,
** I don't think the Orthodox Church ever used the practice of burning people at the stake or having inquisitions. **
Avvakum Petrovich might disagree. The Orthodox Church did kill Heretics in the past as did the Latin Rite.
**Avvakum Petrovich, a Muscovite Russian priest, opposed Nikon's reform and was burnt at the stake in 1682 because of it. His death and the schism between Nikon and his oppositions gave way to the Russian Old Believers, Orthodox followers who believed in traditional rituals, such as genuflecting with two fingers instead of three fingers.
[url=http://influx.uoregon.edu/2001/stories/veil/multimedia/history.html]http://influx.uoregon.edu/2001/stories/vei...ia/history.html[/url]**
2003-09-06 12:42 | User Profile
There is some disagreement over whether Avvakum was burned at the stake or burned himself to death (immolation was a recurring theme with Old Belief.) Avvakum himself was no stranger in the use of brutality to achieve his aims. All in all, Nikon was the worst patriarch Moscow ever had and the liturgical reform in Russia could have been handled much better.
I believe one of the Byzantine Emperors had the leader of the Bogomili sect burned at the stake in Constantinople as a public spectacle (as were most executions until 1900) not for heresy but conspiring with the Seljuk Turks if memory serves me correctly. The practice wasn't widespread in the east.