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Thread ID: 9450 | Posts: 13 | Started: 2003-09-01
2003-09-01 17:59 | User Profile
Interesting how the tag of 'white supremacy' is attached to anything which smells remotely of wanting to preserve one's culture. Can't ever remember seeing 'Muslim supremacy'.
Sure, whites are feeling extremely insecure amidst a culture of such violence, a culture of entitlement, a culture of civil disobedience and a culture of no respect for human beings.
I'm just wondering how much of this is spin and propaganda.
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[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3189397.stm]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3189397.stm[/url]
Preaching white supremacy in South Africa
By Barnaby Phillips BBC, Northern Cape
Almost 10 years after the end of apartheid, far-right religious groups in South Africa appear to be growing.
Reverend Smith has offered his spiritual services to right-wingers accused of treason With a message of white supremacy, they find converts amongst some Afrikaner people who feel increasingly insecure in the new multi-racial democracy.
Reverend Willie Smith founded the church of Lewende Hoop (Living Hope) five years ago and preaches that Afrikaners are God's chosen people.
He says he now has 30 congregations, and thousands of followers all over the country.
The majority of South Africans find the message of this church deeply offensive. But for a minority of Afrikaners it provides reassurance in a country that is changing so fast all around them.
"We know that we are God's people, he forbid us to mix with other nations, to marriage with other nations, to live on the same level as they are. We see this ANC government as punishment [for abandoning apartheid]," says Reverend Smith.
Farmer's fears
In the beautiful but harsh landscape of the Northern Cape, that message can fall on willing ears.
I drove into the countryside, to understand the fear behind these ideas.
Like many members of the new church cattle-farmer Johan Kirsten is deeply conservative and he feels increasingly threatened in the new South Africa.
Mr Kirsten worries about the murders of hundreds of white farmers in recent years - and he believes the Afrikaans language is slowly dying.
In May, 22 Afrikaners went on trial, accused of plotting a bombing campaign to overthrow the ANC government.
Reverend Willie Smith says he has offered to be their spiritual leader - little wonder that South Africa's Government is starting to take notice of the new Afrikaner churches.
'Olive branch'
In the Northern Cape, it is the bread and butter issues - jobs and health, that worry the black majority - not resurgent Afrikaner nationalism.
But the mayor of the town of Kuruman, Emmanuel Kgopodithate, says he will hold out an olive branch to any extremist groups.
Mayor Kgopodithate wants to reassure the worried whites about black rule
"I would call upon them to join hands with us and work with us. To work side by side with us and make sure this country does not go astray.
"We'd like to discuss these things with them and assure them that their future is safe with this present government."
The Afrikaners did so much to shape this country but a few are still struggling with the momentous changes of the past decade - trying to turn the clock back, as South Africa moves on.
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2003-09-02 11:51 | User Profile
Originally posted by Last Outpost+Sep 1 2003, 11:59 -->
QUOTE (Last Outpost @ Sep 1 2003, 11:59 ) Can't ever remember seeing 'Muslim supremacy'.* Stick around, read some neocon tracts and you'll encounter the term soon enough (although 'Islamofascism' is more in vogue). The European press is where you will not find those terms because Muslims are the Mexicans of Europe.
Thereââ¬â¢s a sick symmetry to it all. ZOG beats the crap out of a bunch of Arabs sitting in the desert minding their own business and those Muslims are ââ¬ÅIslamofascistsââ¬Â. Muslim swarm into Europe engaging in all kinds of criminality and violence, burning down a few churches to top it off, and theyââ¬â¢re ââ¬Åjust looking for a better lifeââ¬Â.
<!--QuoteBegin-Last Outpost@Sep 1 2003, 11:59 * "We know that we are God's people, he forbid us to mix with other nations, to marriage with other nations, to live on the same level as they are. We see this ANC government as punishment [for abandoning apartheid]," says Reverend Smith.
I donââ¬â¢t believe that approach works for goys. Although I canââ¬â¢t really offer any meaningful advice to South Africans, your racial problems dwarf both Americaââ¬â¢s and Europeââ¬â¢s.
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2003-09-02 19:11 | User Profile
Ausonius
I'm sure you have heard of a young female student from America, Amy Biehl, who came to this country and befriended some hardline blacks in the Eastern Cape. This happened a couple of years ago. For her efforts she was brutally murdered by those young blacks. At the trial I distinctly remember the black perpetrators laughing and jeering and shouting the by then wellknown slogans such as "Kill a Farmer, Kill a Boer" "One settler, one bullet" etc.
Subsequent to them being sentenced to prison terms of many years, they were released after the Truth and Reconciliation Commission granted them political amnesty.
Now here's the thing. The parents of Amy Biehl came to South Africa to 'meet' with these thugs and not only met with them, but in a 'spirit of reconciliation and forgiveness' and all sorts of other goody-goody things, set up a fund to 'help' get these murderers back on their feet and put all sorts of projects in place for that community to benefit from. Now all of this is good and well. I would applaud anyone who has the good of people at heart, but.........helping those who killed my daughter????!!! Hell no! Not in a million years!
Why am I talking about this? Because these are the liberal basket cases who swing into action with their bleeding hearts to save the world. These are the people who condemn people like yourself and us who are wanting to preserve our culture and make the world a safer place to live in. These are the people that run the so called Human Rights movements worldwide and screech 'equality for all' to people who will never be our equal. And they are the ones who will frown on those like yourself, who only seek to guard and protect family, property and your country.
And those of us who do not want to mingle with the ratpack of humanity, are branded as outcasts of society. This thinking is sweeping across the world and won't stop because most of us who share similar thoughts appear to be cast into some sort of paralysis. We constantly seem to be on the back foot and make excuses as to why we can't unite to fight this scourge. Until this curse is broken, I reckon we are still in for hard times.
You however sir, have restored much of my faith in humanity. You have my respect for the courage you display in spite of adversity. I truly wish we had more of your kind. This world would be a better place. I salute you.
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2003-09-02 19:30 | User Profile
na Gaeil is gile
Islamofascism I suppose is more appropriate. The socialist governments currently in place in Europe should be cause for serious concern, as they too are practising the crime of opening up the borders to all and sundry. I believe they are already seeing the changing landscape of their countries as these aliens infiltrate and then start taking over wherever they are able to settle. Apart from the criminal element, the Muslims are making their moves throughout Europe and then have the audacity to dictate how communities are to behave towards them. I am always amazed to see how they treat their adopted countries. When we as Europeans visit other countries, we go out of our way to be polite and show our respect towards their culture. Not so with them. Anything but. And we take it.
You're right of course. Our racial problems are cause for concern everywhere. The schools are also undergoing tremendous change as gang warfare is becoming quite common. Drugs is another problem. We were spared all of these things before 1994, but are fast catching up with other countries.
What the solution is, is the big question. My guess would be a homeland for the Boers, but whether that will ever be achieved with a Marxist government, is debateable. A confederation of homelands would probably be more in the realms of possibility. It would certainly be a more acceptable solution to the outside world. Time will tell.
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Robbie
2003-09-02 22:24 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Last Outpost@Sep 2 2003, 19:11 * ** Because these are the liberal basket cases who swing into action with their bleeding hearts to save the world. These are the people who condemn people like yourself and us who are wanting to preserve our culture and make the world a safer place to live in. These are the people that run the so called Human Rights movements worldwide and screech 'equality for all' to people who will never be our equal. And they are the ones who will frown on those like yourself, who only seek to guard and protect family, property and your country.
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First off, anything in society that wishes to turn a number of Whites into a cohesive unit is "White Supremacy" because they associate anything dealing with Whites exclusively is "racist" and "Nazi". It is this kind of venomous conditioning that has rendered the White man useless in both America and Europe. Even in private no one is safe, to some extent.
It shouldn't come as a surprise that the overwhelming majority of those involved in "human rights" groups are White, and Jewish (obviously).
The question I think to myself is when the time will come when Whites will no longer feel obligated to adopt non-White children or marry non-Whites and procreate with them.
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2003-09-03 05:55 | User Profile
I must apologise for putting the reply to Ausonius here, which should have been put under the 'Ian Smith' thread. It was late, so I was most surprised to find it here. :o I'd thought it got lost, but it found its way onto this thread.
Robbie
You are so right. The white man seems to be caught up in this web of paralysis. The 'guilt' propaganda has certainly done its work. Where are the days when 'race' was just a competition to see who could run the fastest. :rolleyes:
This business of procreating with non-whites appears to be the accepted trend. Even here one sees this tendency, although not so widely spread yet. What they don't realize is that they are just being used. Those who marry into that culture and those who adopt the 'poor little things'. It fits into the world power agenda.
The true Boers here are most concerned especially those living on the farms. They are still extremely conservative and calvanistic. That is why they seek out those that preach what they want to hear. Boers are to a large extent very similar to the Amisch. They come from good European stock and will hopefully ensure the future of this culture. From a global perspective it looks bleak. I think many things are responsible for this, not least the disintegration of family values and the family unit as such. Women think they can go it alone and just use men for fertilization and generally the single parent home is becoming the trend as well. There are other influences too, which we all know about anyway.
Somehow I don't think that these things are about to change for the better in the short term.
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Centinel
2003-09-03 06:05 | User Profile
**Reverend Willie Smith founded the church of Lewende Hoop (Living Hope) five years ago and preaches that Afrikaners are God's chosen people. **
Smells like a Boer version of [url=http://www.watchman.org/profile/Identitypro.htm]Christian Identity[/url]
Heretical sewage :thd:
Eendracht Maakt Mag
2003-09-03 06:09 | User Profile
Originally posted by Centinel@Sep 3 2003, 00:05 * ** > *Reverend Willie Smith founded the church of Lewende Hoop (Living Hope) five years ago and preaches that Afrikaners are God's chosen people. **
Smells like a Boer version of [url=http://www.watchman.org/profile/Identitypro.htm]Christian Identity[/url]
Heretical sewage :thd: **
It's not Christian Identity, although many sadly misguided Afrikaners do (mistakenly) feel that there is a kinship between them and the special shiny people.
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2003-09-03 06:25 | User Profile
The Boers are a people who are deeply rooted in religion. Due to the political situation at hand in South Africa, they are feeling extremely threatened and are looking for nothing more than leadership. Sadly that is lacking at this crucial time.
Those that were recently incarcerated are certainly not crazies, but ex military people. What they are charged with has yet to be proved in a court of law. However, all of these happenings, plus the farm murders, which can be classed as genocide, are putting this tiny community under immense pressure and fear.
To many the realization is only dawning now as to what kind of new dispensation we actually have. And on a daily basis they are seeing their culture being eroded on all fronts.
Sure there are those who are members of the so called Israel Vision, which I believe is the same as Christian Identity. The Boers in general seek to avoid these groups. That is why I am trying to find out who this Reverend Smith is and how large his community is. I wouldn't be surprised to find that this is a tiny enclave and the media has cottoned onto this with the usual glee.
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2003-09-04 18:53 | User Profile
Well, I've just spoken to a very good friend of mine who lives in Potchefstroom. She and her husband know this Reverend Smith personally and attended one of his services. Apparently he's quite a good speaker and they were pretty impressed and went to a subsequent service in another town. There they came across a slightly different version of this man and were not impressed at all. He appears to have a rather inflated opinion of himself.
When I asked what sort of following he has, I was told that his following is nothing really to speak of.
Once again this proves that the media, whether here in SA or elsewhere in the world, just love to spin and weave a huge conspiracy, particularly when it comes to anything resembling white supremacy. It sells newspapers.
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Walter Yannis
2003-09-07 16:29 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Last Outpost@Sep 3 2003, 06:25 * ** The Boers are a people who are deeply rooted in religion. Due to the political situation at hand in South Africa, they are feeling extremely threatened and are looking for nothing more than leadership. Sadly that is lacking at this crucial time.
Those that were recently incarcerated are certainly not crazies, but ex military people. What they are charged with has yet to be proved in a court of law. However, all of these happenings, plus the farm murders, which can be classed as genocide, are putting this tiny community under immense pressure and fear.
To many the realization is only dawning now as to what kind of new dispensation we actually have. And on a daily basis they are seeing their culture being eroded on all fronts.
Sure there are those who are members of the so called Israel Vision, which I believe is the same as Christian Identity. The Boers in general seek to avoid these groups. That is why I am trying to find out who this Reverend Smith is and how large his community is. I wouldn't be surprised to find that this is a tiny enclave and the media has cottoned onto this with the usual glee.
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Is there any talk of the Boers somehow forming a separate state?
Would such a thing be possible?
I mean, their ancestors won out against appalling odds. Maybe they could do it again.
Keep in mind that they're going up against a group that has a very low average IQ, is low skilled and disorganized, and is riddled with terrible diseases.
Walter
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2003-09-08 05:09 | User Profile
Hello Walter
Yes, the Boers are trying to get their own state within the borders of the current South Africa. The area they are currently looking at is the former Transvaal Republic and the former Free State Republic which were officially recognized as such by such countries as Britain.
I understand what you are saying, and I agree with you. Overcoming the opposition as it stands right now, wouldn't be too much of a problem. The army of Zimbabwe are currently seen as being stronger than the South African Defence Force, I have to admit. A pathetic state of affairs compared to what we used to have. The core of officers who served previously is still around. So leadership in that field is there.
You need to understand however, that to take anything by force in this part of the world would go against the grain of political correctness, which I'm sure you know all about. In a heartbeat, we would have a UN Council Resolution which would condemn this action unanimously and I'm sure you'll agree that a multi-national peacekeeping force would be deployed in an instant. So, that kind of action is like a baby dead born.
The Boers are currently looking at ways and means of getting a homeland as an ethnic grouping within a state. There is also a thinking which wishes to pursue a confederation, ie working together with other minorities here.
Whether or not this will come about, only time will tell. In the meantime, the farmers, who are predominantly the Boers, are being killed systematically and a low scale civil war is being fought. To hope that help will be forthcoming from any western nation, would be foolish. And the current government know that.
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Walter Yannis
2003-09-13 18:52 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Last Outpost@Sep 8 2003, 05:09 * ** Hello Walter
Yes, the Boers are trying to get their own state within the borders of the current South Africa. The area they are currently looking at is the former Transvaal Republic and the former Free State Republic which were officially recognized as such by such countries as Britain.
I understand what you are saying, and I agree with you. Overcoming the opposition as it stands right now, wouldn't be too much of a problem. The army of Zimbabwe are currently seen as being stronger than the South African Defence Force, I have to admit. A pathetic state of affairs compared to what we used to have. The core of officers who served previously is still around. So leadership in that field is there.
You need to understand however, that to take anything by force in this part of the world would go against the grain of political correctness, which I'm sure you know all about. In a heartbeat, we would have a UN Council Resolution which would condemn this action unanimously and I'm sure you'll agree that a multi-national peacekeeping force would be deployed in an instant. So, that kind of action is like a baby dead born.
The Boers are currently looking at ways and means of getting a homeland as an ethnic grouping within a state. There is also a thinking which wishes to pursue a confederation, ie working together with other minorities here.
Whether or not this will come about, only time will tell. In the meantime, the farmers, who are predominantly the Boers, are being killed systematically and a low scale civil war is being fought. To hope that help will be forthcoming from any western nation, would be foolish. And the current government know that.
Last Outpost **
Timing is everything (as I learned much to my chagrin in the stock market debacle a couple years ago!!)
Wait until the Empire is weak and over-extended, and then make your move.
The way things are going now, that may not be so far in the future.
I'm hoping southern (and white) Brazil will do the same.
Walter