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2003-08-31 22:46 | User Profile
From The Independent, available online at: [url=http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=439003]http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story...sp?story=439003[/url]
Sharon is a punk, says ambassador
By Donald Macintyre 01 September 2003
The new French ambassador to Israel was involved in a diplomatic row yesterday after a report that he had called Israel a "paranoid country" and its Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, "a punk".
Silvan Shalom,Israel's Foreign Minister, ordered its embassy in Paris to seek official "clarification" of the report in Yedioth Ahronoth.
The newspaper's Paris correspondent, Boaz Bismout, said that Gerard Araud, who is yet to take up his post in Tel Aviv, made the remarks last week in a private conversation at a cocktail party for senior French diplomats given by Dominique de Villepin, the Foreign Minister. The report said M. Araud had "repeatedly" used the word "voyou" of Mr Sharon and had criticised the controversial fence being built to cut off the Palestinian territories.
The dispute may partly focus on the meaning of voyou - a term sometimes used by parents of misbehaving children. Mr Bismout's report says the French-Hebrew dictionary defines the word as "punk, thug, hooligan, criminal, crook".
An Israeli Foreign Ministry official said that if the remarks had been said as reported they were "severe". But he said the ministry was not going to rush to judgement before it had an official response from Paris.
2003-08-31 22:54 | User Profile
Not to defend the Jews, but since when did anyone give a rat's ass what the French think? They're fire faded from this world long ago, and anything we ever owed them for assisting us in '76 has been paid for in blood and materiél many times over.
Ausonius
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2003-08-31 22:55 | User Profile
Correction: "They're" should read "Their".... my bad. I'll try using F7 more often.
Ausonius
2003-08-31 23:00 | User Profile
Uh-oh -- someone criticized the apartheid Jewish state. :shock: We better warn the ADL. And the SPLC. And the FBI. And the CIA. And the NSA. And Rush Limbaugh. And G. Gordon Liddy. And all "right-wing talk radio." And every Republican in Congress... Oooooo, they'll be mad... :rolleyes:
[edited for bad language]
2003-08-31 23:21 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Ausonius@Aug 31 2003, 16:54 * ** Not to defend the Jews, but since when did anyone give a rat's ass what the French think? **
I have nothing against the nationalist French.
2003-08-31 23:40 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Ausonius@Aug 31 2003, 15:54 * ** Not to defend the Jews, but since when did anyone give a rat's ass what the French think? They're fire faded from this world long ago, and anything we ever owed them for assisting us in '76 has been paid for in blood and materiél many times over.
Ausonius
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Are you doing your best imitation of a FReaker?
2003-09-01 01:14 | User Profile
What's a FReaker?
If you are referring to me slamming the cowardly French, then so be it. I respect courage, intestinal fortitude, true leadership, linear critical thinking, solid morals and ethics, and people who act with honor. The French have none of these qualities.
I have been to France several times. I have found them to be a arrogant, rude, self-centered, narcissistic, smelly people who have a delusional belief that they are superior to all others simply because they are French. The last time they acted with any honor whatsoever was in the First World War. Since then they have degenerated into a 3rd rate, also-ran socialist laughing stock with no say on the world stage....
And they know it and resent it.
Ausonius
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2003-09-01 01:32 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Ausonius@Aug 31 2003, 19:14 * ** I respect courage, intestinal fortitude, true leadership, linear critical thinking, solid morals and ethics, and people who act with honor. The French have none of these qualities.
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Presumably, you think the United States has all these qualities?
The last time they acted with any honor whatsoever was in the First World War.
The First World War was ludicrous to say the least. Every government involved in it was criminal beyond belief. The First World War was when the Western powers got together, placed the cream of their young manhood in dirty foul trenches and then machine gunned them.
Not to cast aspersions, but you do sound like a Freeper.
2003-09-01 01:42 | User Profile
To answer the question, FReakers post at [url=http://www.freerepublic.com]FReak Republik[/url]. See if you like it. Bashing the French is in vogue there. I consider it a learned behavior. The French have more balls in being non-semitically-correct than Americans, at least. Their personal habits concern me the least.
2003-09-01 01:53 | User Profile
Bardamu,
You presume incorrectly. I do NOT think the United States has these qualities, which might provide a glimpse into my current state of dissatisfaction. The US used to value these qualities, once upon a time, but we have, for some strange reason, given them up for a modern version of Bread and Circuses.
And I take exception to your remark about WW1. I believe you misunderstand me. I shall be more specific to assuage any confusion. The actions of the European governments were criminal, but the valor of the common soldier, the common man, is what I respect and what I was referring to. That a fellow soldier can recognize valor, respect for the fighting soldier, even if he be my enemy, can be a bit confusing for the uninitiated. The 300 Spartans, Rome's 10,000, 2nd Waffen SS, US 2/75 Rangers.. all are composed of men worthy of respect as fighting soldiers. That their respective governments were guilty of criminal acts is not relevant. The common man made up those units. The French have no such citizens left.. they have become timid and spineless, unwilling to spend their best and brightest. WW1 was their last flicker. WW2 showed that, after token resistance, they stuck their butts in the air like a waterfront whore and let the Germans walk all over them. Not only that, they actually ASSISTED them in taking over their own country. That is not worthy of respect. That is moral cowardice, and they have done nothing whatsoever to redeem themselves since then, either militarily or politically. The contempt they show the US is unwarranted, since we have not only liberated their country (twice, but who's counting?), forgave them any and all debts incurred by such actions, overlooked later slights (not letting us use French airspace to retaliate against Lybia, but who's counting?), and finally treating us with open hostility has demonstrated to me that they cannot be trusted.
Once upon a time, they used to be a great nation. But I stand by my earlier statement that they demonstrate none of the qualities that I respect, that they have demonstrated to me, personally, despite my best efforts to act civil and polite, actions worthy of nothing but contempt and are a 3rd-rate, also-ran socialist laughingstock with a bad case of penis envy.
Ausonius
PS And I reiterate my previous question: What is a Freeper and/or FReaker?
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2003-09-01 02:02 | User Profile
madrussian:
To answer the question, FReakers post at FReak Republik. See if you like it. Bashing the French is in vogue there.
I don't think the FReaker antipathy towards France is primarily due to French ethnocentrism, though the fact that many FReakers fit the "ugly American" tourist stereotype of beer guts, pork-pie hats and bermuda shorts probably holds true.
The new reason for FReakers to hate France is LePen, French anti-Zionism, and France's refusal to back the neocon/zionist Iraq invasion.
2003-09-01 02:02 | User Profile
madrussian,
Thank you for answering my question. I still have to go and see for myself what the name means (I assume it's not a compliment). Still, thanks anyway.
Ausonius
2003-09-01 02:19 | User Profile
Well,
Looks like some flag-waving site for people who decided that jumping on the bandwagon is the current trendy thing to do... same old, same old with a new paint job. Typical armchair activist stuff.
I can honestly say that I don't fit that stereotype. I am a veteran, true. I am also disabled, having lost some use in my legs and spine in service to my Republic. I do not say this to fish for sympathy. I say this to explain my current view on the world. I spent 10 years in uniform, most of it outside the US in 3rd world sh*tholes, though I did spend 4 years in Europe and travelled extensively, either through assignment or free time. The four times I have been to France, I have acted as professionally as I possibly could (we were members of a plainclothes protective services detachment whos' principal was DCINC NATO. He had reason to go to some fairly far flung countries, to include: Namibia, Moldovia, the Balkans, most NATO-member countries and exactly ONE trip to England), I speak German fluently and my Spanish isn't bad (though without practice it has degraded since I was stationed in South America) yet, when I attempted to communicate with the French, or made any attempt to treat them with some amount of respect and politeness, they acted contemptuously of us. The look on their face said it all. My best friend (currently in Iraq) distilled it quite well when he said: "They look at you as if they are about to smell something really bad".
So, you see, I'm not just jumping on the bandwagon and running down the French because it's popular to do so. I'm doing so because I REALLY don't like them, personally, based on my interaction with them and their treatment of not only myself, but of every American in our party. 95% of the Americans I know who were there at any point in time agree with this. In fact, one of our team was a naturalized French-Canadian and spoke fluent french, yet, they treated him worse than all of us combined. They ran down Americans in our own Kaserne's, laughing at our expense while they bought Levi's jeans to sell on the black market back in France to make money at our expense as well (current figures are unknown, but the markup at the time was something in the order of 200% over US prices).
Calling me names and pidgeonholing me based on two posts is a bit unfair in light of this information, or don't you agree?
Ausonius
2003-09-01 02:32 | User Profile
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2003-09-01 02:36 | User Profile
There is also a stereotype of the ugly American abroad. Deserved or not? I am suspicious of people publically proclaiming their hatred for the French, and repeating the same list of grievances, as if someone is jerking your chain.
2003-09-01 02:49 | User Profile
madrussian,
Two things: The first doesn't affect you.. that cartoon, while it got me to chuckle, was (I'm still laughing) just not right. I believe the exact phrase I used was: "Aw, now ya'll had to go and do that.."
Second concerns you.
I always conducted myself as if I were a guest in someone else's home. I tried very, very hard to dispell that stereotype no matter where I was. All people may not deserve respect, but all deserve at least to be treated with dignity. I tried to instill that ethic into my soldiers as well, though to my consternation, it didn't always take.
Every single time I was in France, it was because I was assigned to accompany our Principal into that country. We were REQUIRED to act professionally, though I did so because that is my nature, not because it was demanded of me. I never insulted, ran down or otherwise mistreated ANY citizen of any other country. I took my assignment seriously. To do less would have jeprodized the lives of everyone around me, not to mention my own. People who didn't adopt that ethic were not around very long. The French, despite me acting as professional as I possibly could, still treated me like I was an unwanted bastard child with a case of B.O. Given their history, and their personal treatment of me and the men assigned to our teams (they always fawned over our Principal.. seems that seeing lots of stars on someone's shoulder trumps personal feelings), I can think no other way. They won't let me. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me four times, I just need to shoot myself.
Ausonius
2003-09-01 03:27 | User Profile
Welcome to Original Dissent Ausonius :)
How on earth did you find this place?
2003-09-01 04:02 | User Profile
Bardamu,
Thank you for the welcome. I found it quite by accident. I was surfing around looking for intelligent debate on other boards (some are okay, most are just babble) and someone referred this site to me as a possible place to come and trade insults (oops, did I say that out loud? :blink: just kidding), I mean, intelligent debate over what is happening in the world as well as the US.
I despise Socialism, Communism, 'diversity', 'multiculturalism', and both of our current major political parties, though I did vote for Dubya, since the devil you know is better than the one you don't (I just canNOT see Gore anywhere NEAR the White House. I read that piece of garbage he wrote: "Earth in the Balance".. he should just as well have used crayons to write it. Pure pap.).
I just wish this ahem Republic would return to what it was intended to be instead of the Oligarchy we have now.. the Republic of Washington through Wilson. Stop the flood of illegals, reverse our moral decay, bring back the nuclear family, denounce degeneracy for what it truly is and instill a solid work ethic once again in the hearts of Americans instead of encouraging them to be a nation of sqabbling tribes all wanting a free handout from Big Daddy Government. I despise hyphenated Americans too.. that implies that your allegiance is towards some tribe or mythical homeland before allegiance to this Republic, meaning you put yourself before others instead of the other way around (typical me-first bullshit that got us here in the first place). I guess there is no handy soundbite word to describe what I am.. If I could choose a time to be alive, I would choose 1912.
But, for all our faults, what is out there in the world is nothing compared to what this country COULD be.. what it once was. We have the potential to be Titans, so long as we mind our own business and stay the hell out of other countries and stomp the Left into the mud, where it belongs, for good. Fight wars only when we absolutely have to, and fight to win, so long as the cause is noble and just and in defense of our own countrymen and for the Republic. The rest of the world can do what it wants to, we have no business fooling with other sovereign nations, no matter how belligerant. If they attack us, I have one word for you: Carthage.
Some call me an isolationist. That word has been used to describe US policy from 1776 to the Wilson administration. During that time, we quadrupled the size of the US, fought several major wars, opened Japan for trading, and put the US on the map as a major power... does that sound like isolationism? Fraid not..
Anyway, it's late and I'm tired.. sorry about the rant. Sometimes I get caught up and empassioned about what I feel sometimes (like a bunch of government thugs hauling off a 3-ton monument of the 10 Commandments.. another fight for another day, I guess) and I get carried away. Enjoy your day off tomorrow.
Ausonius
2003-09-01 04:04 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Ausonius@Aug 31 2003, 19:53 * **
You presume incorrectly. I do NOT think the United States has these qualities, which might provide a glimpse into my current state of dissatisfaction. The US used to value these qualities, once upon a time, but we have, for some strange reason, given them up for a modern version of Bread and Circuses.
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Well, if we don't have the qualities that you are disparaging the French for not having then it is a case of the kettle calling the pot black.
**The actions of the European governments were criminal, but the valor of the common soldier, the common man, is what I respect and what I was referring to. That a fellow soldier can recognize valor, respect for the fighting soldier, even if he be my enemy, can be a bit confusing for the uninitiated. The 300 Spartans, Rome's 10,000, 2nd Waffen SS, US 2/75 Rangers.. all are composed of men worthy of respect as fighting soldiers. **
Yes indeed I respect valor. Like I said, the Western powers murdered off the cream of their manhood. Put another way, the types of men who volunteer to fight and die in wars are often our best types of men. It is most tragic when they are killed en masse. Governments that expend men needlessly are criminal. Basically war is very close to be criminal in and of itself. Total war is criminal. What has happened in the West to our people, presuming you are a White man, is that we have mortally damaged the entire White race by the bloodbath of the First and Second World Wars. The Jews picked up the pieces and have been dominating us ever since.
The US used to value these qualities, once upon a time, but we have, for some strange reason, given them up for a modern version of Bread and Circuses.
We here at OD have some theories as to these * strange reasons* that you mention.
The French have no such citizens left.. they have become timid and spineless, unwilling to spend their best and brightest.
Are you talking about the French unwillingness to back our campaign in Afghanistan and Iraq? That campaign to make the middle east safe for Israel to dispossess like they have America? Look at your own words, why should the French spend (expend?) their best and brightest in the dirty desert wastes of Iraq? What they should be doing is expending their men kicking Arabs out of France proper.
WW1 was their last flicker
Flicker of what? WW1 was a murderous bloodbath for White men. At least they, in WW1, by and large, left the civilians alive. It took WW2 for our governments to start murdering White women and children.
WW2 showed that, after token resistance, they stuck their butts in the air like a waterfront whore and let the Germans walk all over them.
I am fairly sure the French lost more in the first year of fighting than we Americans lost in the entire war.
Not only that, they actually ASSISTED them in taking over their own country.
I think your opinion is the misguided one. What is outrageous is German and French butchering each other, not, assisting one another against international Jewish Bolshevism.
What did the allies win, brother? What did the English and French get out of being on the victorious side in that genocidal conflict? London is almost majority non-White and France is up to its eyeballs in Moslems? If that is winning I'd hate to see losing. :thd:
2003-09-01 04:14 | User Profile
WWI was also largely to blame for the Bolshevik Revolution by weakening Russian Empire. WWI was truly a disaster that set the rest of events in the 20th century in motion.
2003-09-01 04:21 | User Profile
Ausonius, here's a good essay for you to familiarize yourself with the writings of Joseph Sobran:
[url=http://www.sobran.com/columns/2003/030211.shtml]France and the Bush Doctrine[/url]
2003-09-01 04:56 | User Profile
Okay, one last retort and then I really REALLY have to go to bed..
**Well, if we don't have the qualities that you are disparaging the French for not having then it is a case of the kettle calling the pot black. **
And you think I'm happy with the current state of affairs here in the US? I ran down the French because I see what the US is going to turn into.. we are strong, but not invinceable. The clock is ticking, and we don't have a whole lot of time left before we are just like France... The Left has seen to tearing down the traditional pillars which have given us such a strong base to draw off of in times of crisis:
Repect for rule of law (doing the right thing because it is the RIGHT thing to do, not because the law says so).
Torn apart the nuclear family (how many single mothers do you know?)
Attempted to tear down the church (they never foresaw the church imploding.. I'm an ex-Catholic. Now Lutheran. Got tired of the BS and lit out for greener pastures).
Anything and everything that has inconvenienced them in some way, everything that keeps them from their hedonistic behavior or stands in the way of what gives them pleasure, all the time ripping away at what made this country great in the first place, they hate with a passion. There is no reasoning with them. They are zealots.
Yes indeed I respect valor. Like I said, the Western powers murdered off the cream of their manhood. Put another way, the types of men who volunteer to fight and die in wars are often our best types of men. It is most tragic when they are killed en masse. Governments that expend men needlessly are criminal. Basically war is very close to be criminal in and of itself. Total war is criminal. What has happened in the West to our people, presuming you are a White man, is that we have mortally damaged the entire White race by the bloodbath of the First and Second World Wars.
Do not preach to me of War. I have seen Its' face. Governments that needlessly pursue war are criminal. Those that fight only when they absolutely have to, like our Old Republic used to be, had better fight to win. Yes, our best blood usually gets spilled defending the Great Ideal.. the Republic and the Constitution.. but it is necessary. A harsh reality, but true nonetheless. The Left has seen to it that source of cream has been stopped up and killed off through lunatic policies and the corruption of our youth.. only in mostly rural states can you still find a small handfull of Those Good Men willing to do what others are unwilling to do.
**Are you talking about the French unwillingness to back our campaign in Afghanistan and Iraq? That campaign to make the middle east safe for Israel to dispossess like they have America? Look at your own words, why should the French spend (expend?) their best and brightest in the dirty desert wastes of Iraq? What they should be doing is expending their men kicking Arabs out of France proper. **
No, I am talking about the French having a laughing stock for an army... the Foreign Legion is still fairly robust, but it is made up of men from OTHER COUNTRIES. They have been traditionally unwilling to deploy men anywhere, and those that they do are substandard. I have seen them. They're dirtbags.
**Flicker of what? WW1 was a murderous bloodbath for White men. At least they, in WW1, by and large, left the civilians alive. It took WW2 for our governments to start murdering White women and children. **
Not to differ too much, but WW1 erased whole towns, introduced the shelling and bombing of cities indiscriminately, displaced millions and caused the death of millions more (dead is dead, whether by gunshot, mortar, starvation or disease.. the war was a direct cause).
I am fairly sure the French lost more in the first year of fighting than we Americans lost in the entire war.
France fell in 6 weeks, not a year. Big difference. Then the Germans ran the English into the Channel, where they forgot all their weapons at Dunkirk. Silly forgetful Brits.
I think your opinion is the misguided one. What is outrageous is German and French butchering each other, not, assisting one another against international Jewish Bolshevism.
The Vichy Government assisted the Germans in rooting out any Resistance fighters it could find.. a traitor amongst your own is a worse thing than fighting against impossible odds. Betrayal is the worst thing imaginable.
What did the allies win, brother? What did the English and French get out of being on the victorious side in that genocidal conflict? London is almost majority non-White and France is up to its eyeballs in Moslems? If that is winning I'd hate to see losing.
You are viewing this through a skewed lens. The London and Paris of 1940-45 was almost entirely Caucasian. You cannot fast forward 50 years and blame what traitorous bastards did AFTER those Good Men won against National Socialism (I hate Socialism of all stripes, German/Swiss though I am... my wife's Grandfather was 2nd Waffen SS and never came home after fighting the Russians. Got wounded, boarded a train home and the train never made it. More's the pity. Her other Grandfather was AfrikaKorps.. captured by the Ami's in '42 and sent to the US for 3 years. Nice old guy.. passed on last year. I will miss him.).
The 'Mud Flood' you are referring to was partly caused by, and encouraged by, the Left from the 1960's, the children of those Good Men who fought and won. It is THOSE people who are in power now and are shoveling all this diversity bullshit and multicultural nonsense down everyone's throat. Egalitarianism is just as bad. Everyone is NOT equal. Some people achieve, some do not. Some are encouraged to seek out handouts from the government in exchange for blood-bought freedom so they don't have to work. 30 pieces of silver. I hope they roast in hell for what they do. Cultures clash.. sometimes violently, and often. Dissimilar cultures cannot get along just fine, thankyouverymuch. Thinking any other way is just a pipe dream.
The Allies won a repreive, at best. The children of Those Good Men have pissed it away with Ponzi schemes and handout programs funded by state sponsored theft. This Republic CAN be a nation of Titans again.. we just have to get rid of the Left, or at least prove them wrong once and for all and stamp that way of thinking into the mud.
Ausonius :gun:
2003-09-01 05:18 | User Profile
madrussian,
I have almost stopped called WW1 and WW2 by their respective names... The Allies stupidly set the stage for WW2 by imposing overly harsh reparations against Germany after the war, as you well know. More likely, WW1 and 2 is just the same war with a 20 year cease fire in effect. The Germans have had a long and hallowed history of retreating into the Black Forest where they drink lots of beer and come out screaming every 50 years or so and try to take over the world.. (just kidding.. couldn't resist the jab. I told that to a German Army Major one time.. he almost spit up his coffee through his nose he was laughing so hard. And it IS sort of true, in a way ;) ). And then we had Stalin and Co. to play with for the next 50 years. Nice guys. They murdered, what? 30 million people? Made Hitler look like a piker.
Ausonius
2003-09-02 02:20 | User Profile
Basically in agreement with most of what you say so I'll just touch on a couple of things.
Originally posted by Ausonius@Aug 31 2003, 22:56 * *Do not preach to me of War. **
We all get to talk about war.
Yes, our best blood usually gets spilled defending the Great Ideal.. the Republic and the Constitution.. but it is necessary
This is not the All of what we fight for. We fight also for the ancient good of territory. This was our territory. Fill it up with Mexicans and Chinese and it is no longer ours. Fill France up with towel-heads it is no longer French. Fill London up with Pakis and Indians and it is no longer English. This is also what we fight for: the ground that our ancestors bled into.
**France fell in 6 weeks, not a year. **
The French lost roughly 92,000 men by 1940; at war's end the number of French dead rose to 200,000,. The United States lost roughly 300,000. Per capita more French died than Americans.
The Vichy Government assisted the Germans in rooting out any Resistance fighters it could find.. a traitor amongst your own is a worse thing than fighting against impossible odds. Betrayal is the worst thing imaginable.
The leader of the Vichy French was a much decorated war hero from WW1. Did you ever consider that he was a patriot fighting communism? What did you expect the Vichy authorities to do against the resistance?
I hate Socialism .
I will tell you what I hate. I hate being displaced in my own land by aggressive nationalistic folk of another race and culture. I hate that much more than socialism. It is ironic actually to hear a military man denounce socialism when the military is the original socialistic organism. Not that I deny you the right to hate socialism, it is that I point out that White people becoming minorities in our own homelands is much worse. Plus, all war time economies are centralized command economies. Everyone is communistic during war. Germans have a history of bureaucratic statism. If it suits them why would you as an American care?
The 'Mud Flood' you are referring to was partly caused by, and encouraged by, the Left from the 1960's, the children of those Good Men who fought and won.
The left did not start in the 60's. It triumphed in the 60's. The roots go way back to before WW1. You know this. The two wars, really one extended war as you say to Mad Russian, was indubitably the catalyst for the triumph of socialism and the destruction of our traditional culture and everything else, including even the way our children will look in the future.
I'm out of time. :gun:
2003-09-02 03:10 | User Profile
**QUOTE (Ausonius @ Aug 31 2003, 22:56 ) Do not preach to me of War. **
Okay, I'll admit I was showing a bit of arrogance. I apologize. If I cannot admit when I am in error, then I am not the man I think I am. We can all talk about war at any length we please. I just felt you were getting a little preachy, is all.
**The French lost roughly 92,000 men by 1940; at war's end the number of French dead rose to 200,000,. The United States lost roughly 300,000. Per capita more French died than Americans. **
I'll admit, I have not looked at the breakdown of what ratios the casualties were from WW2, just the raw data. But that brings to mind an excellent question, as long as you are researching figures: What is the ratio of Citizen to Soldier with regards to those 200,000? I'm 95% sure that ALL of the American casualties were combat or support troops, not civillians. I'd be curious to know how many of those French were civvies. Just trying to keep the game legal with regards to throwing stats around ;) .
The leader of the Vichy French was a much decorated war hero from WW1. Did you ever consider that he was a patriot fighting communism? What did you expect the Vichy authorities to do against the resistance?
Yes, I did consider it, but dismissed it after some thought. To work for your ancient enemy after he beats you in combat and turn traitor to your people to 'fight' communism? Not likely. Russia wasn't even in the war until Spring of '41. The Vichy government was installed shortly after Hitler did his little dance and went home in 1940. And I expected the Vichy government to HELP the resistance against the Germans. What would you do? I'm an American of German extraction, not a hyphenated German-American. My allegiance is to this Republic. If this government were taken over tomorrow by outside forces, in open combat by our sworn enemies, I would dust every one of those bastards I could and expect what little government that was left to befuddle the new regime in an effort to assist the 'resistance'. If they actually assisted them in hunting us down, I would make it my mission in life to take at least one of those bastards with me before I cashed out.
I will tell you what I hate. I hate being displaced in my own land by aggressive nationalistic folk of another race and culture. I hate that much more than socialism. It is ironic actually to hear a military man denounce socialism when the military is the original socialistic organism. Not that I deny you the right to hate socialism, it is that I point out that White people becoming minorities in our own homelands is much worse. Plus, all war time economies are centralized command economies. Everyone is communistic during war. Germans have a history of bureaucratic statism. If it suits them why would you as an American care?
I am aware of this. Very aware. We are in agreement on the flood of ultra-nationalistic illegals making Whites a minority in our own country 100%. (That the military is the original socialistic organism is open to debate, though. It does have socialistic qualities, agreed, and I never said I LIKED everything about it, but serving my Republic meant more than personal feelings. You give up a few things chasing what you believe in). And I care about what happens in Germany because I still have family there. I'm considering using it as a bolthole for my family in case things become as bad here as I think they will in the near future. Family is very important, and I want to know they have someplace at least reasonably safe to go in the event of the unthinkable.
Egalitarianism (equality of results instead of opportunity) is tyranny. It is forced equality, at gunpoint or threat of imprisonment. To admit that all people are NOT equal is something that the Left cannot and will not ever do.
The 60's were the low point for America. Bottom of the barrel. You're right about the leftist movement starting way before the 60's.. back before WW1-part 1. It was only the Great Depression and both parts of the World War that prevented it from manifesting itself before the 1960's. And what do we have now? Armchair activists who think themselves conservatives, that is, until the Big Game comes on and you're out of beer. We have the kids of such people, who are largely brain-dead and, IMHO, are amoral in the extreme, not to mention they care about nothing at all. To top it all off, we have the Left, composed of wingnuts, greenies, ex-hippies, hedonists, and our wonderful Illuminatti. Somewhere in all this is the rare individual who sees it all for what it really is... maybe our star is setting. We only lasted half as long, but burned twice as bright.
Ausonius
2003-09-02 05:30 | User Profile
**Russia wasn't even in the war until Spring of '41. **
I believe you previously mentioned that you considered WW1 and WW2 to be tightly connected. Or it amy have been another poster. Regardless, since you are an American of German heritage I will hold out the hope that, like me, you have taken it upon yourself to study German.
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Or perhaps you read Spanish.
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Unfortunately, I'm not aware of an English translation, but Ernst Nolte's thesis is that WW2 was just a continuation of a European civil war that started with the Bolshevik coup d'etat. There are also alleagtions that Stalin had poised his forces for an invasion of Western Europe in the summer of 1940, though I can't recall the name of the author (& former KGB agent) who has discussed this.
2003-09-02 08:21 | User Profile
MW,
I believe the book you allude to above is entitled "Icebreaker," by "Victor Suvorov," real name Vladimir Resum, major of the G.R.U.
2003-09-02 13:33 | User Profile
Just wanted to get in here a sec. Ausonius is quite a smart gentlemen on lots of things. However, I usually retort to those French-bashers, like him, with "so you never come across rude, inconsiderate, abrupt and careless folks here in the good 'ol USA, huh, like when in a store, driving a car, or like, going to the movies and stuff,?????" Yea, I guess you live in a different America than I.
At least the French are truly smart people with a glorious history. I'm sorry, Americans are just plain dumbazzes.
2003-09-02 14:02 | User Profile
mw,
Ja, Ich hab' Deutsche studiert, aber meine vocab ist nicht was Ich will. Ich werden diese artikel arbeitet für Sie. Zum beispiel, Ich hab' vorher gesagt, meine Frau ist Deutsche (unsere Sohn auch) und Ich hab' da gewonnt für fier jahren. Unsere familie sind da, auch. Ich glaube Ich werden zurück gehen im 2004, oder etwas. Leste mal Ich war da war drei jahren zurück, und meine Frau gehabt eine ganz große umfall.. eine monat im Krankenhaus.
Ausonius
2003-09-02 14:04 | User Profile
There are also alleagtions that Stalin had poised his forces for an invasion of Western Europe in the summer of 1940, though I can't recall the name of the author (& former KGB agent) who has discussed this.
And the French government would have known of this how? Hell, WE didn't even know about it until the KGB came clean a few years ago, so how in the world are you going to expect the French to know about it 60+ years ago?
Ausonius
2003-09-02 14:10 | User Profile
xmetal,
Yes, the French have a long and glorious history (we'll just pass over them mowing down people woth cannonfire when Madame Guillotine proved to be too slow a method for liquidating people.. sorry couldn't resist. ;) And yes, I know we Ami's have our skeletons too), but I have already stated my reasons for slamming the French, in detail.
I am the way I am (to paraphrase the great sage Popeye) and I'm too mean and set in my ways to reverse my opinions now. It would take a mountain of proof to do that. I already stated that I admit when I am wrong, no exceptions. If you can meet the challenge, I will glady reverse my way of thinking, here, in public and apologize to you, personally.
Ausonius
2003-09-02 14:46 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Ausonius@Sep 2 2003, 09:10 * ** I am the way I am (to paraphrase the great sage Popeye) and I'm too mean and set in my ways to reverse my opinions now. It would take a mountain of proof to do that. I already stated that I admit when I am wrong, no exceptions. If you can meet the challenge, I will glady reverse my way of thinking, here, in public and apologize to you, personally.
Ausonius **
Ausonius, I'm not looking to "win you over" to liking the French at all. No. It's just that people have different experiences in diverse places. I do welcome you to OD, by the way.
I've travelled throughout Europe, on vacation, and, me, personally, I found the Brits in London to be the most rude people I've encountered on any trip. However, do I come out and condemn them as all worthless d*ckheads. Absolutely not. I love England and admire their culture and history and I hope the White Brits wake up from their stupor and take back their most beautiful country.
Now, while I've visited glorious Paris on two seperate occasions, and with my semi-fluent command of French, I had the best time ever in the City of Lights and met locals in jazz clubs who were more friendly than I usually think I am. I've had different folks help me with directions, asked me to speak English with them so they could learn, and I also got invited to party. The worst thing thing that happened is that we went into a shoe store and the two chicks working there said " we don't speak English", and I said "pas aucune probleme, je parle le francais" and they smiled. Go figure. I respect their culture but I show no fear. I certainly don't take anything personal.
As for the current French regime...well, they certainly were much smarter and wiser than the US in trying to prevent a stupid, deadly, uneccessary, illegal and useless war in Iraq, for WHATEVER reasons they had. They have been proven correct about their predictions but I don't hear any Rush Hannity O'Reilly admitting their enormous errors in bashing the French. The American yahoos are the real danger in this world.
WWI and WWII made the world safe for everyone except White people....those same White people who died in vain protecting everything BUT our Republic.
PS, The United States has "mowed" down many an innocent civilian in it's day...um, oh, I mean it STILL does!
2003-09-02 17:58 | User Profile
To add another perspective, the idea that the French are rude assholes is of American origin, and is in use only (?) in America. I wasn't aware of the French rudeness, until I came to the US, however I did know about the ugly American stereotype. So, for anyone outside the US, it's the Americans who are the rude assholes.
For those who are unaware, American grimaces and body language is different from the European one. Can the French have the heightened sensitivity to that? Grinning, urgency when doing business etc.
2003-09-03 10:33 | User Profile
Originally posted by madrussian@Sep 2 2003, 11:58 * To add another perspective, the idea that the French are rude assholes is of American origin, and is in use only (?) in America.*
You havenââ¬â¢t seen much British TV then ;) Animosity between the French and the Anglosphere is a venerable European tradition. I believe the French as ââ¬Ëevil chain smokersââ¬â¢ may have been made in the US of A though. Hell it was probably the last thing ever made in the US, the manufacture of new ethnic slurs has been outsourced to China.
2003-09-04 00:52 | User Profile
PS, The United States has "mowed" down many an innocent civilian in it's day...um, oh, I mean it STILL does!
Heh, heh, heh...
Yeah, I know.. you couldn't resist. I tried heading you off at the pass, but the counter-slam was irresistable to you, I guess. I'm well aquainted with everything the US has done against various groups, so no suprises for me there. (Don't even bring up the American Indian, please, I'm tired of hearing about it. Besides, my family didn't get here until 1905, long after that mess was over with.)
And I never, ever said I agreed with what we are doing in Iraq. Just the opposite, in fact. Americans have a long and hallowed history of telling people to go piss up a rope and sticking our thumb in their eye, but being in Iraq is just too much.
We're not there for oil for our own personal use. Of that much I am sure. If we wanted oil, we would have just taken over Kuwait when we were there in force. I mean, who would oppose us if we tried? It would have been easy. All we would have to have done was not leave... that's easy.
I DO think, however, that this puts us in an interesting position, tactically (and, one that I do not agree with. We should NOT be there, should never have been there in the first place, and should bring all of our guys home now, worldwide). If I had control of Iraq and it's vast oil reserves, I would use it to leverage the sheiks, khalifs and potentates of the various muslim countries that are terrorizing everyone else and tell them to straighten up, or we flood the market with bargain-basement priced oil, stick their local economies into the toilet and plunge them all into a recession. You know how many males between the ages of 17 to 25 there are over there living on daddies or the countries' oil money? Millions. With no skills. Those sheiks would be pissing their robes over the thought of millions of their countrymen wanting their head on a stick. The thought of pissing a little bad news down on their heads for a change fills me with glee.
By the way, thank you for the welcome. And my family has been French bashers going way, way back.. Great Grandpa was shootin' at em back in 1871 during the Franco-Prussian war. I have pictures and his military records.
Ausonius
2003-09-04 01:11 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ausonius@Sep 3 2003, 18:52 * If I had control of Iraq and it's vast oil reserves, I would use it to leverage the sheiks, khalifs and potentates of the various muslim countries that are terrorizing everyone else *and tell them to straighten up, **
Ausonius,
What is your take on Israel?
2003-09-04 10:18 | User Profile
Bardamu,
My take on them is this:
We have supported them through baZILLIONS of dollars for years, not to mention materiél (tanks, planes, rockets, food, rifles, equipment, etc), and the keep spitting in our face. Spying on us is just flat wrong.
I don't personally care for the Jews. I never met one I ever really liked, they always had this 'chip on my shoulder' quality (much like the 'The world, and whitey, owes me a livin' quality that american blacks have) that made dealing with them a little unpleasant. That, and I felt like I had to shower after coming in contact with them, much like you would after coming in contact with a defense attorney working for the ACLU.
The whole situation in and around Israel is a bit muddled for me. Yes, I am well acquainted with the history of the region, but to be blunt, I care little for either side when it comes to the troubles over there. There are no real good guys and bad guys. Nobody really likes the Jews. Nobody really likes the Palestinians either.. they've been tossed out of every single country they've ever gone to. They keep causing trouble and blowing things up, why do you think they've been in 'refugee' status for so long? Because nobody wants them. That, and the other muslim countries over there'd rather see the Palestinians beat up on Israel and lose guys than THEM square off and lose guys. Cowards. The Israelis are no better.
Of course, if my grandma got blown up in a fish market or on a crosstown bus by some nut with a satchel charge, BO and yelling 'Allah Akbar!', I'm sure I'd make it my mission in life to dust all of his buddies, friends, relatives, pets, supporters.. almost without distinction. (Are you recognizing a pattern here? Leave me to live my life in peace and I'll do the same for you. Mess with me and mine and I'll burn you down and than come after your family on top of it).
So my 'take' on Israel is this: Leave us alone. If you want to build your wall and hem in the Palestinians, fine. Cut off all aid to them (they need our aid for what? They've never done US any favors in return for all the free stuff we keep giving them, like, oh, I dunno, money, guns, tanks, bombs, nukes, equipment, food, materiél, support systems, ADA systems, fighter aircraft, fuel.. and they have done Jack sht in return (and Jack left town). Point is, if they were actively doing something in return for all this, I would have less of a problem. To not do anything in the face of all this is a bit greedy. Once in awhile, okay. But to constantly say: "Hey United States! Where's our money and stuff? Give us lots and, by the way, Fuck You, too" is just wrong. And it shows much about our character in that we KEEP GIVING IT TO THEM. Mostly, I suspect, because of the Jew lobbyists in DC making a stink if we even think about touching aid to Israel. They control the press anyway, which basically controlls who gets elected president. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this: "Hey Mr. President. Either you leave aid to Israel alone, or you start looking for another job. Simple.. by the way, throw in some of those kosher rations from last time. They were pretty good and the M&M's too..."
Ausonius
2003-09-04 17:31 | User Profile
*But to constantly say: "Hey United States! Where's our money and stuff? Give us lots and, by the way, Fuck You, too" is just wrong. And it shows much about our character in that we KEEP GIVING IT TO THEM. Mostly, I suspect, because of the Jew lobbyists in DC making a stink if we even think about touching aid to Israel. They control the press anyway, which basically controlls who gets elected president. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this: "Hey Mr. President. Either you leave aid to Israel alone, or you start looking for another job. Simple.. by the way, throw in some of those kosher rations from last time. They were pretty good and the M&M's too..." **
I think he's got it... :D
By the way, welcome Ausonius.