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2003-08-27 13:33 | User Profile
I have nothing really to add to this dicussion other than to say lil' Benny boy is ready to contest Kristol for title of the most insane and vile person in the Jewish neocon clique. That is quite an accomplishment in itself.
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Transfer is not a dirty word Ben Shapiro (archive)
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Raise your hand if you were shocked at the breakdown of the so-called Middle East "road map." If you are raising your hand, give yourself a nice, hard slap across the chops. Maybe that will wake you up from your reverie of self-delusion.
The "road map" was doomed from the start. The Arab enmity for Jews and the state of Israel allows for no peace process.
The time for half measures has passed. Bulldozing houses of homicide bombers is useless. Instituting ongoing curfews in Arab-populated cities is useless. Roadblocks, touch fences, midnight negotiations and cease-fires are useless.
Some have rightly suggested that Israel be allowed to decapitate the terrorist leadership of the Palestinian Authority. But this too is only a half measure. The ideology of the Palestinian population is indistinguishable from that of the terrorist leadership.
Half measures merely postpone our realization that the Arabs dream of Israel's destruction. Without drastic measures, the Arab dream will come true. In the short term, the establishment of a "Palestinian state" based in Judea, Samaria and Gaza cuts Israel to the bone. In some places, Israel would be an unthinkable 9 miles wide. In the long term, the growth of the hostile Israeli-Arab population within pre-1967 Israel bodes ill for the future of the Jewish state. As University of Haifa professor Arnon Soffer says, "The trends and indicators all point to an economic and ecological catastrophe waiting to happen and of the death knell of the ideological dream of a Jewish state."
Here is the bottom line: If you believe that the Jewish state has a right to exist, then you must allow Israel to transfer the Palestinians and the Israeli-Arabs from Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Israel proper. It's an ugly solution, but it is the only solution. And it is far less ugly than the prospect of bloody conflict ad infinitum. When two populations are constantly enmeshed in conflict, it is insane to suggest that somehow deep-seated ideological change will miraculously occur, allowing the two sides to live together.
Unfortunately, this insanity is generally accepted as "the only way forward." President Bush accepts it because it is politically palatable. The Arabs accept it because for them, it is a Trojan horse. The Israelis accept it because they are afraid that if they expel the Arabs, they will be called Nazis.
For anyone who lived through the Holocaust, or who has relatives who died in it, being called a Nazi is unspeakably terrible. That is the secret weapon of the Arabs. Any time the Jews get wise and threaten mass expulsion of Arabs, the Arabs pull out their big stick, equating Nazism with Zionism. Their cartoons merge swastikas with stars of David. Their newspapers call Ariel Sharon another Adolf Hitler. Their spokespeople cry "Genocide!" And the Jews cower in fear that they could be equated with their parents' murderers.
The Jews don't realize that expelling a hostile population is a commonly used and generally effective way of preventing violent entanglements. There are no gas chambers here. It's not genocide; it's transfer. It's not Hitler; it's Churchill.
After World War II, Poland was recreated by the Allied Powers. In doing so, the Allies sliced off a chunk of Germany and extended Poland west to the Oder-Neisse line. Anywhere from 3.5 million to 9 million Germans were forcibly expelled from the new Polish territory and relocated in Germany.
British Prime Minister Winston Churchill was pleased with the result. In 1944, he had explained to the House of Commons that "expulsion is the method which, so far as we have been able to see, will be the most satisfactory and lasting. There will be no mixture of populations to cause endless trouble ... a clean sweep will be made. I am not alarmed by the prospect of the disentanglement of populations, nor even by these large transferences, which are more possible in modern conditions than they ever were before." Churchill was right. The Germans accepted the new border, and decades of conflict between Poles and Germans ended.
Arab-Jewish conflict is exponentially more volatile than German-Polish conflict ever was. And the solution is far easier. If there was "room in Germany for the German populations of East Prussia and of the other territories," as Churchill stated, there is certainly room in the spacious Muslim states of the Middle East for 5 million Palestinians and Israeli Arabs. If Germans, who had a centuries-old connection to the newly created Polish territory, could be expelled, then surely Palestinians, whose claim to Judea, Samaria and Gaza is dubious at best, can be expelled.
It's time to stop being squeamish. Jews are not Nazis. Transfer is not genocide. And anything else isn't a solution.
2003-08-27 14:25 | User Profile
From a Nationalist point of view, Benjamin the jew is exactly right.
The Zionists expropriated Arab lands to spawn their jew homeland, a racial nationalist entity.
The only way they can hold onto it is at the point of a gun.
They would be insane to allow themselves to be out-populated by a hostile alien race within their own borders, just as insane as we Aryans are to allow it in our countries, at jewish insistence.
It is Benjamin the jew's towering, flabbergasting hypocrisy that offends, and not his solution to the national problems in Israel. Obviously they must expel the hostile aliens; and not only that, the jews must keep a heavily armed occupation force in a buffer zone all around their nasty little state, if they expect to survive.
2003-08-27 16:03 | User Profile
And what about the expulsion of aliens in the United States?
Shapiro's "final solution" for Israel is quite a practical solution but it won't happen, although I wish it would happen. The jews would be open for worldwide condemnation and foreign aid and sympathy would dry up, meanwhile sparking Nationalist movements in the White Western countries. Nationalists would use Israel's standard for "ethnic cleansing" as the beacon to squelch any criticism against White folks' desires for living in ethnically pure States. All good for us, but not so for the jew.
2003-08-27 16:26 | User Profile
Yes, the jews are hoisted on their own petard, and it delights me to see them squirm and rationalize and split hairs.
The jew prescription of multiculturalism and diversity for America is specifically intended to destroy Aryan power in America. Every intelligent jew is well aware of it, but the dumb Whites will never catch on, not the majority, anyway.
We see the value of the Holocaust hoax to the jew; because that is the only difference Benjamin the jew is able to offer between himself and Adolf Hitler, between Zionism as an expression of judaic racial patriotism and National Socialism as an expression of Aryan racial patriotism.
"The jews don't use gas chambers." That's it; that's the only distinction. It is of course a bogus distinction but we'll never be able to enlighten the mob, not as long as the jew has his monopoly on the popular wisdom as received by TV.
Aside from that, the jew merely behaves as though a jew state is his due; and that presumption is never questioned (not where it counts), even in the context of their condemnation of nationalism everywhere in the Aryan world.
2003-08-27 17:51 | User Profile
In some places, Israel would be an unthinkable 9 miles wide. In the long term, the growth of the hostile Israeli-Arab population within pre-1967 Israel bodes ill for the future of the Jewish state.
You should have thought about that before you decided that is where you wanted your "sh*tty little country." The U.S. isn't always going to be there to hold your hand and act as your mercenaries.
Oh, btw, Benji, Churchill approved a plan to drop anthrax cakes all over Germany to kill the livestock. Obviously he didn't care about this stuff spreading all over the rest of continetal europe. What do you think would have happen then?
While this is bad for the palestinians, for they are the ones who were invaded by the zionists sqauttlers in the first place-- the zionists being much like the mexicans the U.S. has to put up with, it would be good for folks in Europe and the U.S. to see the zionist unmasked as he really is.
2003-08-27 18:04 | User Profile
**After World War II, Poland was recreated by the Allied Powers. In doing so, the Allies sliced off a chunk of Germany and extended Poland west to the Oder-Neisse line. Anywhere from 3.5 million to 9 million Germans were forcibly expelled from the new Polish territory and relocated in Germany. **
And about nine million Germans died from 1945-50.
**If Germans, who had a centuries-old connection to the newly created Polish territory, could be expelled, then surely Palestinians, whose claim to Judea, Samaria and Gaza is dubious at best, can be expelled.
It's time to stop being squeamish. Jews are not Nazis. Transfer is not genocide. And anything else isn't a solution. **
The lies drip like a leaky faucet.
Transfer is part and parcel of mass murder. To say or believe anything else makes Shapiro a liar.
2003-08-27 20:14 | User Profile
Yeah. Look at Robert Locke of frontpage.com. This guy calls for trains out of town for Jewish benefit. Anyone ever see him claim the same for us?
2003-08-27 20:17 | User Profile
Uncle Franco says:
Such a "population transfer" violates the Geneva Conventions, which Israel adopted in 1951. Article 49 of the Fourth Convention states: "Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive."
Silly wabbit(s) -- Jews are The Creepy People... :mellow:
2003-08-29 15:24 | User Profile
I say we transfer li'l Benji and his people out of OUR country.
I don't give a whit what Israel does or doesn't do, just get America out of it. The only relationship we should maintain with Israel is to keep the doors open so we can transfer Jews living here in the States back to their home ethnic-state.
Israel for Jews, America for White Christians. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me. How 'bout it Benji?
2003-08-29 20:58 | User Profile
**There is something almost perverse about America's vast population of de facto "Expatriate Israelis" who probably never even set foot in their beloved "homeland" but who nevertheless clog America's newspapers with editorials about what's good for Israel, lobby US politicians to send US taxpayer dollars to Israel, and push for wars which benefit Israel's national security while earning America enemies throughout the world. **
My theory is their mission is to debase and demoralize American culture to their own tastes, but just in case a popular rebellion springs up and comes after them they want the option of fleeing to an Israel with big guns.
2003-08-29 23:57 | User Profile
** Centinel wrote:
My theory is their mission is to debase and demoralize American culture to their own tastes, but just in case a popular rebellion springs up and comes after them they want the option of fleeing to an Israel with big guns. **
Centinel NAILS IT! Nails it and-a-half, in fact.
Yep -- the snozzim see Israel as their Global Security Blanket [tm]. If those Evil Goyim [tm] rebel against the snozzim at some point in the future, the snozzim can flee to Israel/safety, with many, many nukes to back them up.
That is why Jews went apeshit in 1967 when it looked like SnozzimLand could have been wiped out by Arabs. When that didn't happen, Jews breathed a BIG sigh of relief -- even leftist Jews. Their sanctuary of hate and apartheid was saved -- whew! Jews lay awake at night worrying about The Fate of their Hate State. :mellow:
"A Threat To Israel Is A Threat To All Special, Shiny People Worldwide." But they don't gotta actually live there... :)
2003-08-30 04:18 | User Profile
Bennie Shapiro endoses mass murder and ethnic cleansing!
He fails to tell us that Poland lost more land to Soviet Union than the German land added it in 1945. Polish territory was smaller in 1945 than it was in 1939. The Soviets took away just about as much of the State of Poland's territory in 1945 as the German had 1940. The Soviet redrawing of territory displaced large numbers of Pols and Germans. This caused the death of as many as 10,000,000 Germans. This was done to add to Soviet territory not to help Poland or bring peace.
Great Post xmetalhead:
**And what about the expulsion of aliens in the United States?
Shapiro's "final solution" for Israel is quite a practical solution but it won't happen, although I wish it would happen. The jews would be open for worldwide condemnation and foreign aid and sympathy would dry up, meanwhile sparking Nationalist movements in the White Western countries. Nationalists would use Israel's standard for "ethnic cleansing" as the beacon to squelch any criticism against White folks' desires for living in ethnically pure States. All good for us, but not so for the jew.**
**Lets look at this quote from German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer:
"But he said the destruction of German minority culture in the region was a direct consequence of what the Germans themselves had done under the Nazis."
How would Mr. Fischer feel if someone said something like this?
"But he said the destruction of Jewish minority culture in the region was a direct consequence of what the Jews themselves had done under the Bolsheviks."
Fischer against Sudeten monument [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3182123.stm]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3182123.stm[/url]**
2003-08-30 04:32 | User Profile
**Well Bennie Shapiro said:
"Some have rightly suggested that Israel be allowed to decapitate the terrorist leadership of the Palestinian Authority. But this too is only a half measure. The ideology of the Palestinian population is indistinguishable from that of the terrorist leadership."-Ben Shapiro
How would Bennie Shapiro like if someone like this in Germany in 1936:
"Some have rightly suggested that Germany be allowed to decapitate the terrorist leadership of the Bolsheviks. But this too is only a half measure. The ideology of the Jewish population is indistinguishable from that of the Bolsheviks leadership."**
2003-08-30 20:40 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Aug 29 2003, 18:02 * *Ladies and Germs, OD has reached the 'horizontal expulsion' stage. **
Maybe so. I don't know, wm.
I do know that this intolerable situation in Alabama with Judge Moore, where two atheists and a yankee jew got the scriptures removed, has just got me very angry and perturbed.
2003-08-30 21:21 | User Profile
Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Aug 30 2003, 13:40 * I do know that this intolerable situation in Alabama with Judge Moore, where two atheists and a yankee jew got the scriptures removed, has just got me very angry and perturbed.*
Jew not capitalized too. You are getting irrationally anti-semitic :shock: :lol:
I am browsing jewish.ru and here is one joke from there:
Q: What's the difference between a Jew and a terrorist? A: You can come to an agreement with a terrorist.
2003-08-30 22:30 | User Profile
Tex --
Not only that, but:
A Jew also got the judge in Alabama removed from the bench, in addition to the first legal challenge [i.e. a Jew filed the ethics complaint that removed the judge];
And...
That recent court case [victory] in Colorado a few days ago against saying the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools also involved a Jew, who sued, named Anne Rosenblatt.
Yep, each time, the person rocking the boat in America is a SpecialShinyPerson. :angry: And yet some people on this forum still have the nerve to suggest that "Jews are not any more troublesome than white liberals." Bwa-ha-ha-ha! [slap, slap].
2003-08-31 06:32 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Aug 30 2003, 18:09 * *If the Moore case stiffens your resolve, good. But if that's the only thing that can make you angry, you're not keeping your eye on the ball. **
You know better than that, my old friend. However, the case is highly symbolic on so many levels that I can't help but see it as our would-be masters just gleefully rubbing it in because they can. Needless to say, I don't cotton to that kind of thing. In fact, it has only resolved my will to resist and dissent.
I'm not exactly sure what path I will follow, and I may well end-up standing alone. But I do know it is my God-given duty to resist and I hope there are others of like mind who agree and are willing to act. We have a great place here where we can meet and fellowship with one another, but more and more I get the sense that it is not enough. We've got to step it up a notch and take it to the next level in some way, shape or form. We need ambassadors, managers, organizers and soldiers for our particular cause and vision, quite simply because just like when I created this board, I didn't see anyone else stepping up to fill this niche that our little community now occupies. Maybe all this is just wishful thinking, but when one week sees the Moore thing happen only to be followed-up by female pop stars flauntingly french-kissing on national TV, well I can't help but just get more than a bit pissed off. I'm only human, I guess, and this is not the culture I want to see my children grow up in. I want something higher and I'm opening up on the means by which it can be achieved.
2003-09-02 19:14 | User Profile
and I may well end-up standing alone.
Nope, you won't.
2003-09-02 20:55 | User Profile
** Tex wrote:
I'm not exactly sure what path I will follow **
Tex, just do what I do: each time, no matter what the situation, think RACIALLY. Only racially. The rest will resolve itself.
Simple, itz! :)
2003-09-03 03:55 | User Profile
Hitler and the Nazis were right -- there is ONE and only ONE way to deal with the Jews: mass expulsions upon pain of death. The sooner we get with the program, the better.
2003-09-03 05:44 | User Profile
*Originally posted by MadScienceType@Sep 2 2003, 14:14 * ** Nope, you won't. **
:th: :gun:
Never forget Goliad, Texian brother.
2003-09-03 05:55 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Franco@Sep 2 2003, 15:55 * ** Tex, just do what I do: each time, no matter what the situation, think RACIALLY. Only racially. The rest will resolve itself. **
Hey Frankie,
There is a certain purity of heart in willing one thing, but in this instance I was thinking more of what kind of political/social organization I would end up plugging into. I'm very dissatisfied in the existing choices that are out there and my natural tendency is to just go my own way and do my own thing, not being much of a joiner I guess. But that type of philosophy is somewhat selfish I think and the times demand a little bit more than 'go it alone' individualism.
I'd like to have some kind of high level symposium on the greater question of 'where do we go from here, if anywhere', where I could get the informed opinions of the senior OD membership, but as of yet I haven't quite figured out how best to structure it and am not sure if there is any real interest in that subject. So as of now I continue to plod along. Thanks for your suggestion though.
2003-09-03 09:42 | User Profile
The symposium format would be useful to illustrate the general philosophy of OD (if such a thing can be pinned down) for newbies. It would need to be highly structured though, five or six key questions per topic with no more than four or five members addressing each question.
Hopefully, with focused responses, some overall strategy may emerge from the project. I don't think one symposium would do it though, the broader political and philisophical bases would need to be covered first.
2003-09-03 11:59 | User Profile
With every passing day/atrocity/advantage to our foes, the number of viable, 'sane', 'reasonable' solutions dwindle & dwindle down to the one that good men hate above all others to even acknowledge, let alone embrace and adopt.
C'mon, Tex, even YOU know it's all marking time until we inevitably face the last choice:
Blood, or chains, on our hands.
Remember that once you opt for 'chains', you no longer get to choose 'blood'.
I leave you with the words of The Pubescent Propagandist himself.
**The time for half measures has passed. Bulldozing houses of homicide bombers is useless. Instituting ongoing curfews in Arab-populated cities is useless. Roadblocks, touch fences, midnight negotiations and cease-fires are useless.
Some have rightly suggested that Israel be allowed to decapitate the terrorist leadership of the Palestinian Authority. But this too is only a half measure.
Here is the bottom line: If you believe that the Jewish state has a right to exist, then you must allow Israel to transfer the Palestinians and the Israeli-Arabs from Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Israel proper. It's an ugly solution, but it is the only solution. **
To our enemies, genocide, dispossession of families, and total disenfranchisement of sovereign peoples are HALF MEASURES.
Do you understand this? HALF MEASURES.
And you can't utter a word against them, save on marginalized, demonized outlets like this one. Because our government, our media and institutions, and nearly all of our law enforcement is now IN THEIR HANDS. That means that what a punk Jew kid can say out loud, with total impunity, a grown man supporting a family, born and raised here, may not utter above a murmur in his own homeland.
Look at history, and please tell me what methods, short of the nasty brown-shirted goose-stepping kind, have ever worked in wresting the Jews' hands off the throat of thir gentile hosts once they have infiltrated, and infested, those hosts.
Tell me! Cuz I'm just a brain-dead Hollywood Nazi who doesn't know any better. So please point out to me the sane, calm, adjudicated settlements that have worked in the past, with no "extremism" or bloodshed. Please! Show me and I'll endorse it!
No, fellas, we ALL know already "where do we go from here". Christian boy, you see those Palestinian 'heathens' over there, watching their ancestral homes bulldozed by American Ziodollars? You're next. And you KNOW it!
We either wield the shovels, or we taste the dirt in our faces. And the longer we wait, the worse our odds.
2003-09-03 13:18 | User Profile
I like the idea of an OD symposium. It would be nice if it were a physical meeting, but I think arranging such a thing would be logistically tough. Still...
Never forget Goliad, Texian brother.
I hear you. I just don't want to draw one of those damn beans, though!
Il ragno,
Yes, the noose tightens daily. White America now sports a collar like that poor pizza guy bastard while the cops watch us thrash about. How long is left on the timer? Meanwhile, most of our kinsmen are hoping that it's long enough to finish out football season and at least get a part of basketball in before the end. Most folks that I talk to who know the score simply hope to have shuffled off this mortal coil by then. What a plan! Who says we don't love our children? I guess if they were articulate enough to express it, the masses' sentiment would be:
apres moi, les deluge.