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Thread ID: 9308 | Posts: 64 | Started: 2003-08-26
2003-08-26 18:06 | User Profile
Anyone going? I am, definitely. It'll be my first racialist event where the tattoos are hidden under jackets, if they're there at all! Great!
The stuff about JT being too Jew-friendly is a concern, but I think it's ridiculous not to go because of this. Go and be a voice for the Jew-wise White nationalists.
I hate living on the Internet so much. Funny how people in any cause are always willing to make 'net noise, but when it comes to actually showing up to stuff, they're nowhere to be found.
2003-08-26 19:23 | User Profile
I will be there.
2003-08-26 19:32 | User Profile
Sounds interesting. Can't they have one on the West Coast?
Should ODinists send a delegation and rock the semitic boat there? :lol:
2003-08-26 20:45 | User Profile
Walter, maybe we'll meet.
mad, some NA members have beat us to it. One at the last conference stood to grill JT on Jewish media control and "Culture of Critique." JT said he's familiar with the work and is impressed by it.
2003-08-26 20:55 | User Profile
That's not the kind of rocking I am interested in. There is probably a healthy faction at AmRen that can get more organized.
2003-08-27 02:17 | User Profile
Walter, maybe we'll meet.
mad, some NA members have beat us to it. One at the last conference stood to grill JT on Jewish media control and "Culture of Critique." JT said he's familiar with the work and is impressed by it.
Most definately. I'll make sure that we contact one another before the date of the conference.
2003-08-31 16:58 | User Profile
Watching a videotape of one recent conference, I saw some folks I recognize from other venues (or know the names of, and now the faces) -- Nick Griffin of the BNP, Lou Calabro of the EAIF (check out his involvment with the Zebra Killings as an SFPD member, never knew about that), Paul Gellar of "The Paul Gellar Show" (interesting guy, loves to talk, as evidenced by JT rolling his eyes as he spoke) Prof. Robt. Griffin of the University of Vermont, Don Black and his son, and others.
2003-08-31 19:02 | User Profile
I will go if I can determine that there will be a sufficient level of discretion in terms of listing conference participants.
I think Taylor can be a bit heavy handed at times, in speaking to general audiences, but generaly I consider him one of the heros of white nationalism.
I am quite glad of Taylor's willingness to include Jews. Now I do not know what the Jews involved actually think, so maybe I am mistaken about this--now that Gottfried has attacked Frances, I cannot actually name a Jewish intellectual who seems even slightly open-minded about the possibility of malign Jewish (leftist) influence on the West--but I hoping to be pleasantly surprised. In any case, inclusion of Jews gives AmRen a better reputation outside of judeo-critical circles, so that is useful.
2003-08-31 21:00 | User Profile
The reputation will be determined by how bad or good for the Jews the organiztion is. If you believe that Jewish interests are compatible with the white interests, or that giving up some territory in order to maintain "reputation" is advantagous, you need only to look at history and how successful accomodating Jews has been. For you, I'll repeat a joke from a Jewish web site:
Q: What's the difference between a terrorist and a Jew? A: You can come to an agreement with a terrorist.
I'll have a bridge to sell to you, if you believe that Jews have so much power that accomodating their wishes has the priority AND that they will give you a fair deal for your concessions.
2003-08-31 22:14 | User Profile
Obviously you no nothing of how mainstream gentiles view racialist organizations. There is decidedly an advantage to having Jews present in such organizations, as far as appearances are concerned.
2003-08-31 22:34 | User Profile
The point that you haven't even started addressing is that it never stops at just "appearences" as far as Jew inclusion goes. And the events inside AmRen have clearly demonstrated that. Now you are either obtuse or have an agenda here.
2003-08-31 22:51 | User Profile
Let 1 or 2 Jews into top positions in your WN group and you have BIG TROUBLE. Besides, Jews are not White, so why would you let them into your WN, or pro-WN, group anyway?? Hmmmm?
[slap, slap!] [cyberslap] :mellow:
2003-08-31 23:29 | User Profile
The Jews in your organization would be double agents. Once these double agents move up into leadership, your organization is basically being controled remotely by the Mossad. That is a bad deal.
2003-09-01 00:55 | User Profile
Madrussian,
Unless current Thirdworldization trends are halted, America will cease to be a world power circa 2015. Demographic and generational turmoil will reduce us to a mongrel police state--with no external energy to quash nationalists in Serbia or Anti-Zionists in Iraq.
The Tribe won't make it to 2030 without the deracinated Yank Golem to pay its bills and destroy its enemies. Many zhids know instinctively that once America reaches that ethnic tipping-point, Sh*ttystan is down the :dung: er...
2003-09-01 01:26 | User Profile
The idea that Jews are going to take over American Renaissance because Taylor allows for some Jewish--this is the typical delusional paranoia of low-IQ types who are not actually interest in seeing useful change occur, but are simply in the white nationalist movement to 'belong.'
2003-09-01 01:47 | User Profile
Take over, shmake over. Bimbo, AmRen is already semitically-correct. And judging by its mailing list posts, bashing some whites is a sport there, while anything critical of the zhids get censored. White Nationalists? In your kosher dreams. Just zhids strategically attaching themselves to the next wave.
2003-09-01 01:55 | User Profile
The idea that Jews are going to take over American Renaissance because Taylor allows for some Jewish--this is the typical delusional paranoia of low-IQ types who are not actually interest in seeing useful change occur, but are simply in the white nationalist movement to 'belong.'**
You really don't get it, PC Anarchist. If you are a Jew, the value of America in advancing the Tribe's agenda diminishes in exact proportion to its demographic Thirdworldization.
Not that the U.S. cause for existing as a Western nation should ever be determined by the parasitical Jewish minority. B)
PS: Regarding IQ's...most of the goyim at my last Mensa gathering would have made Himmler blanche with their ungentle rhetoric regarding the zhid Neo-Cons.
2003-09-01 01:56 | User Profile
AmRen is fine with me. Anyone who wants to promote white nationalist values, but still want to claim that an organization like AmRen ought not be supported, simply because it does not give much attention to the Jewish question--such a person is not interested in accomplishing anything. Such a person is precisely the kind of 'anti-Semite' that Nietzsche saw to be little more than a parastitical bug, to be squashed if needed. Here Nietzsche saw quite truly.
2003-09-01 01:57 | User Profile
PS: Regarding IQ's...most of the goyim at my last Mensa gathering would have made Himmler blanche with their ungentle rhetoric regarding the zhid Neo-Cons.
Uhm, I thought the Birdman was the most un-PC of all the mensaviks. Apparently, it ain't so :lol:
2003-09-01 02:10 | User Profile
PS: Regarding IQ's...most of the goyim at my last Mensa gathering would have made Himmler blanche with their ungentle rhetoric regarding the zhid Neo-Cons.
Uhm, I thought the Birdman was the most un-PC of all the mensaviks. Apparently, it ain't so :lol:
My local club is quite "diverse". Among the zhid-bashers were two Mestizos, an Indian, an Arab, a Quadroon, two Pakis, two Armenians, four Chinese and ten Whites--Slavic, Celtic, Germanic, Mediterranean and (un-deracinated) WASPs.
The Tribal "Tikkuning" is recognized as deadly by all wise non-Jews...
2003-09-01 02:12 | User Profile
'You really don't get it...'
Campell, that is some really nice use of italics. I really understand now. Really.
2003-09-01 02:24 | User Profile
'You really don't get it...'
Campell, that is some really nice use of italics. I really understand now. Really.
Hey, a font Troll! Maybe I should feel honored...
Anyway, why not check the IQ's among the shabbos scum who bleat the Rapturist/Noachidic line...I doubt you'll find many cracking that 90 IQ line, Hyman. :clown:
2003-09-01 02:33 | User Profile
wannabe hit a shrill note with that squashing anti-semitic bug line, didn't she?
AmLen eez faine viz mee. Vee ah goink to take care of you goys, and don't daeh mention ze Jevish questionk. Trust mee, everythink iz goink to bee allight.
2003-09-01 02:38 | User Profile
I am a Catholic. Why would I care about 'Rapturists'? As to the 'Noachidic'--I am afraid I have no idea what you are talking about.
Also, you and MadRussian do realize that your basic response to any statement critizing your views of the Jewish Question, is to start using the word 'troll' a lot?
Maybe this is extremely fun for you, I don't know. Anyway, take care.
2003-09-01 02:41 | User Profile
wannabe hit a shrill note with that squashing anti-semitic bug line, didn't she?
AmLen eez faine viz mee. Vee ah goink to take care of you goys, and don't daeh mention ze Jevish questionk. Trust mee, everythink iz goink to bee allight.
I defer to you, Grigori. WASPS thought King Longshanks settled the Tribal question in 1290. :king:
But they're baaaaaaaaaaaaack~! :thd:
2003-09-01 02:43 | User Profile
Zhids can be Catholic too.
You postulated that ignoring the zhid question will be benefitial for the whites, with nothing to back it up. Then proceeded to call those who disagree with you as low-IQ persons, who deserve to be squashed. Don't complain now.
2003-09-01 02:53 | User Profile
Yes, MadRussian, I am desparately trying to prove that I am not a Jewess.... You are so horribly confused about what is being argued here at OD.
Maybe you can find a tutor or something to help you understand English sentences, arguments, logic, that kind of thing. It would really be a help to the rest of us here, if you are going to continue to spam up the forum with the zhid-troll-itz generator.
2003-09-01 03:04 | User Profile
Yes, MadRussian, I am desparately trying to prove that I am not a Jewess.... You are so horribly confused about what is being argued here at OD.
Maybe you can find a tutor or something to help you understand English sentences, arguments, logic, that kind of thing. It would really be a help to the rest of us here, if you are going to continue to spam up the forum with the zhid-troll-itz generator.
If you are sincere, we are agreed on the importance of the AR conference.
If you are merely pushing the Jewish agenda at the collective expense of Whites, you should at least spell "desperate" correctly before form-spamming other members and insulting MadRussian, who has been here since Day #1.
Jared Taylor is Heroic to the extent of his effectiveness...
2003-09-01 03:06 | User Profile
Could you try not being so anal-retentive--there is no clearer sign of intellectual bankruptcy than critizing spelling on the Web--and answer the questions I posed (above MR's spam)?
PS I could give a rat's ass when people 'got here.'
2003-09-01 03:27 | User Profile
wannabe,
another post and another miss in terms of "arguments, logic, that kind of thing". Did you say you were taking off?
2003-09-01 03:37 | User Profile
Slav,
No.
2003-09-01 05:06 | User Profile
Ares, is it you? :lol:
2003-09-01 05:08 | User Profile
Slav,
lol
What do you think about Slavs?
2003-09-01 05:13 | User Profile
"Transhuman Racialist"???
Ain't we gotta be human to have a race? Or be a racialist?
Ah, well, I guess it's a change from all the "human transracialists" anyway. :P
2003-09-01 05:18 | User Profile
It's not about 'liking' Jews or 'not liking' them. There a lot of Jews I like. There are also a lot of leftists I like. Doesn't mean, though, that when it comes to issues of white nationalism, that I have ever found either a Jew or a leftist who is at all reasonable.
Of course, most 'conservative' white gentiles aren't very reasonable about these issues either, but's the level of harmful ideas in among such individuals is way, way lower.
2003-09-01 09:28 | User Profile
In any case, inclusion of Jews gives AmRen a better reputation outside of judeo-critical circles, so that is useful.
AmRen is free to do as they wish of course, and I agree with Howard that they are heroic to the extent of their effectiveness. Obviously I think highly of them since I have had a link up on the main index page since OD was first created.
However, to address another point made here, in any organization/movement, conservatism, white nationalism or otherwise, whenever the focus at any level becomes how they are perceived by their implicit or explicit enemies, then the dynamic and single-minded effectiveness of said group is tarnished and perhaps even lost forever. That little bit of self-doubt, no matter how small, is the crack that lets in the disruptors and distorters.
If one possesses the truth, then they should act upon that conviction for the sake of the truth, and not upon the fickle opinion of a phantom 'public.'
2003-09-01 11:21 | User Profile
In any case, inclusion of Jews gives AmRen a better reputation outside of judeo-critical circles, so that is useful.
AmRen is free to do as they wish of course, and I agree with Howard that they are heroic to the extent of their effectiveness. Obviously I think highly of them since I have had a link up on the main index page since OD was first created.
However, to address another point made here, in any organization/movement, conservatism, white nationalism or otherwise, whenever the focus at any level becomes how they are perceived by their implicit or explicit enemies, then the dynamic and single-minded effectiveness of said group is tarnished and perhaps even lost forever. That little bit of self-doubt, no matter how small, is the crack that lets in the disruptors and distorters.
If one possesses the truth, then they should act upon that conviction for the sake of the truth, and not upon the fickle opinion of a phantom 'public.'
Thank you, Mr. Tex.
I wish good 'cess to Brother Jared; the BNP comrades in Brittania and Nationalists everywhere who fight for community and tradition against consumerism and deracinated plutocracy.
I've argued on this thread and elsewhere that the Tribe needs Whitey to survive, endure and prevail...or Jewry is doomed.
The Rapturists and Noahides are too flabby as Tribal allies. Look for Br'er Hyman to push for Blondie's survival--these coming times shall be most interesting. ;)
2003-09-01 16:10 | User Profile
I wish one could simply stick with the truth in all contexts. It is indeed brave when this occurs, and to be commended. But given the leftist dominance of intellectual life in this country, the sad fact is that lies, obfuscations, and calculated ellisions are necessary in some cases, in order ensure that the pro-market / white nationalist / traditionally liberal / anti-feminist / pro-American / Christian / Founding ideas can have influence in the elitist super-structure. Now maybe when it comes to white nationalism, there is not much point in pursuing this strategy.... But I am not doubtful that such a gloomy scenario is the case.
2003-09-01 17:30 | User Profile
To qualify my previous objections to policies at AmRen (obvious in the context of discussions in the recent couple of months to every more or less perceptive poster here on the board without an agenda, hint, hint, wannabe) the point isn't specifically their refusal to address the zhid question in their program explicitly, but:
Explicit philo-semitism, like mentioning "Juideo-Christian values" (an oxymoron and genuflection before the zhids) in their mission statement.
Tolerance to zhids openly hostile to some white nations.
Censoring zhid-critical views.
Recently revealed co-operation with the ADL and purges of "anti-semites".
In other words, they aren't even neutral on the zhid question, but openly philo-semitic, that is anti-gentile. To what extent, and whether fatally compromized, is open to debate, of course.
The zhid question doesn't even need to be openly addressed in any program. Setting the goals that imply a white Chrisitan America would be sufficient.
Correction: bullets 1 and 4 aren't about AmRen, but about AFP. For background on AmRen discussions at OD, go to [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8491&st=0]Jewish Subversion of American Renaissance[/url]. I apologize if I misled someone
2003-09-01 18:26 | User Profile
In other words, they aren't even neutral on the zhid question, but openly philo-semitic, that is anti-gentile. To what extent, and whether fatally compromized, is open to debate, of course.
Yes, this is troubling, more so than mere silence on the Jewish issue that might be strategic for traction's sake. So let's get in there. White nationalists are always running away from their already puny organizations to something even smaller.
"I hereby quit the union of Six White Men for their mishandling of funds. I hereby join the union of Three White Men! OK, I hereby quit the union of Three White Men for not calling for the immediate death of all Jews. I hereby join the union of Two White Men! Yes! THAT is the organization of the future! OK, I hereby quit the union of Two White Men for not supporting one of those men in his legal battle! I hereby joing the union of One White Man Standing On His Left Leg! Yes, we, I mean I, will hop toward White revolution! Hooray!!"
Why not stand on some ground with both legs? Like right here in America? Looks like a good land for White folks to me. Let's take it back.
2003-09-01 18:39 | User Profile
Agreed on the question of joining and being vocal on where you stand (without being shrill and unwisely confrontational, of course). Zhids get places not by being timid and by conceding, but by setting the basic rules, like screeching anti-semite and hater, from the get-go. Where is the ground from where WNs won't budge?
2003-09-01 20:31 | User Profile
- Recently revealed co-operation with the ADL and purges of "anti-semites".
Could you provide some details please?
2003-09-01 20:48 | User Profile
Did I confuse America-First Party and AmRen? Does that mean there is more than one philo-semitic WN organization? :(
Here is a link to thread about AFP:
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=9951&st=0]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...topic=9951&st=0[/url]
2003-09-01 21:00 | User Profile
Here is a link to an interesting thread about AmRen:
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8491&hl=]Jewish Subversion of American Renaissance[/url]
2003-09-01 21:21 | User Profile
I again remind all about my conversation about a year ago with [ahem, cough] a professor at a Western university who has written at least one book about Jews. He told me: a White group MUST NOT allow Jews into their group. Jews will influence that group, as they always do.
And again I ask iwannabeanarchy and that type: WHY LET NON-WHITES [JEWS] INTO A WHITE GROUP? Would you let Blacks or Mexicans in? Nope. Then why Jews?
[slap, slap!] [cyberslap] :mellow:
2003-09-01 21:40 | User Profile
Did you ask wannabe if she believes Jews to be white?
2003-09-01 21:48 | User Profile
Good question, MR.
Hey, iwannabeanarchy: are Jews White? No, not "White-appearing," but racially White?
tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, [waiting]... :)
2003-09-02 01:23 | User Profile
Franco: piss off, trog.
2003-09-02 01:41 | User Profile
Please guys, cut the newcomer some slack. Not everyone is up to snuff on what the score is, so rather than ridiculing him and gang flaming him why don't we give it a rest, and try and convince him instead? : B)
2003-09-02 04:11 | User Profile
**PS I could give a rat's ass when people 'got here.' **
Speaking of using logic, I presume you meant "I COULDN'T give..." But then again, you probably COULD care less about such logical niceties, ne cest pas? And five will get you ten you pepper your speechifyin' with such fashionable grammatical barbarisms as "between you and I". And I'm going to go out on a limb and surmise that you punctuate every other utterance with the equally vulgar solecism "is comprised of". Am I getting warm?
When precisely did the American public become semiliterate and unable to formulate a basic syllogism? Anyone?
2003-09-02 04:57 | User Profile
Marce -- that was gratuitous ... but funny.
2003-09-02 16:19 | User Profile
Marky, you are just pitiful! Thanks for a good laugh. You sound just like my 11-year old niece. She is very smart and bookish.
2003-09-02 18:00 | User Profile
Please guys, cut the newcomer some slack. Not everyone is up to snuff on what the score is, so rather than ridiculing him and gang flaming him why don't we give it a rest, and try and convince him instead? : B)
I am off her case. But I'll note that she attracts that kind of responses.
2003-09-02 18:53 | User Profile
Er, MR, is there some reason in particular that you think I am female, or are you just being PC?
2003-09-02 20:51 | User Profile
:shock: You're not female? Well, so much for my dirty fantasies about you these past few days...
Oh, and Mr//Mrs. iwannabeanarchy, what about my question about Jews? White or non-White by DNA? :mellow:
2003-09-02 21:19 | User Profile
Franco, if it helps your fantasy life: I am a male of English and Irish descent.
2003-09-02 21:32 | User Profile
There's hope for you yet, Mr. Anarchy. I realize that coming to grips with the Jewish issue is frightening and difficult, but it can be done with enough attention to the facts. Even ol' Alex Linder once said, in response to someone's query about "getting it" on Jews: "I know this stuff is rough to take at first..."
2003-09-28 10:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE]"Lou Calabro of the EAIF...."[/QUOTE]
The guy who founded EAIF is totally PRO-JEW. He even did an interview for a San Francisco newspaper in which he took offense when it was suggested that EAIF was "anti-semitic". Calabro exclaimed indignantly that it wasn't, that Jews were in fact members of his organization.
2003-09-28 18:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=General Rommel]The guy who founded EAIF is totally PRO-JEW. [/QUOTE]
Here is a representative email from Louis Calabro. Totally pro-Jew it aint:
The below message has been e-mailed to many Jewish organizations and some
Jewish individuals seeking comment about the message that was sent. We have not
received one response. The same e-mail is being sent, and we again seek
comment from Jewish individuals and Jewish organization in the spirit of moving
toward greater understanding and harmony between Gentiles and Jews. Thank you.
Louis Calabro
Out of concern that it will inflame incidents of anti-Semitism, many Jews and Jewish organizations have denounced Mel Gibson's new film "Passion," which is reported to be about the last day in the life of Jesus Christ. There concern is understandable.
It has also been reported that efforts are being made to stop the film from being shown in theaters by the film distribution industry. To my knowledge they do not argue with the authenticity of the depiction of the last day in the life of Jesus Christ--their concern is that it will arouse hatred against Jews.
Compare that concern with the silence from both Jewish and Gentile quarters with today's Associated Press' picture and short sidebar, published in the San Francisco Chronicle-page 2, and titled Remembrance at Auschwitz. (September 5, 2003)
Auschwitz and the story of the Holocaust is told on an almost daily basis in our news media, and is taught to children in many parts of the country.
What is the result of that constant bombardment? In my opinion, the result is that we have thousands of Jewish individuals and Jewish organizations who hate Europeans/European Americans and work very hard to defame Europeans and European Americans in a false and cruel manner; without response from any quarter, Jew or Gentile.
The total silence is appalling . We need to discover, and expose why that is the case. Below are just a few examples of some Jews and Jewish organizations who, IMO, hate Europeans and European Americans. The below letter has been totally ignored by the 11 Jewish US Senators to whom the letter was sent. That's very troubling. Louis Calabro
European/American Issues Forum CW Kuhn, Secy. , Ed. Broneski, Treasurer, FP Williams, Sgt. at Arms Stephen Mc Nallen, President January 3, 2003
2003-09-28 21:11 | User Profile
Well, I once asked Lou if there were any Jews in the EAIF -- in fact I asked him several times. No answer.
2003-09-28 21:27 | User Profile
Well Franco you are not reading very carefully or you wouldn't even have to ask:
European/American Issues Forum [B]CW Kuhn[/B], Secy. , Ed. Broneski, Treasurer, FP Williams, Sgt. at Arms Stephen Mc Nallen, President January 3, 2003
EAIF presents itself as a non-racist organization dedicated to the interests of European-Americans. Calabro has built an organization that any White can join without any fear of being labeled a you know what. This organization names the [I]racist[/I] Jew and [I]racist[/I] Jewish organizations regularly. During the dust up with the Caucasion Club at Freedom High Lou went right in and started advising this young lady, something that she probably needed, and something that Stormfront or VNN could not have offered her, as they would have brought more problems than they solved.
2003-10-01 20:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Marcus Porcius Cato]Speaking of using logic, I presume you meant "I COULDN'T give..." But then again, you probably COULD care less about such logical niceties, ne cest pas? And five will get you ten you pepper your speechifyin' with such fashionable grammatical barbarisms as "between you and I". And I'm going to go out on a limb and surmise that you punctuate every other utterance with the equally vulgar solecism "is comprised of". Am I getting warm?
When precisely did the American public become semiliterate and unable to formulate a basic syllogism? Anyone?[/QUOTE]
Around 1969 or so...
Ausonius
2003-10-02 01:10 | User Profile
A very good essay on why White Nationalists must not accept Jews.
Deadly Contributions: The Jewish Infestation of the White Racial-Nationalist "Movement"
MX Rienzi
Should Jews participate in the so-called pro-White "movement?" This is a question that has been examined before . Certainly it makes no more sense to accept Jews than it would to accept Arabs or Hindus. However, some may argue that perhaps we need to take a more practical approach. One can argue that if some members of a non-European Caucasian group can assist in a "pan-Caucasian" endeavor, and if these members are relatively "assimilable", then it would not hurt us to accept some of them. Regardless of what one thinks about that premise, we can ask: are Jews helping the "movement?" What are their contributions up to this point? This is not meant to be an exhaustive look at all Jewish influences, but rather an examination of some prominent examples of Jewish influences in the "movement", especially by individuals overtly Jewish.
To begin with, we need to review two of the major destructive impulses of Jews in Western Civilization, so we can compare these to Jewish persons active in some "movement" circles and ask if these Jews tend to eschew or embrace (overtly or covertly) these impulses.
Jews have a strong tendency to promote ethnic, racial, and cultural diversity in Western societies, and to oppose any Western trends toward biological and cultural homogeneity. The Jews view relatively homogenous Western societies in which they still reside as potentially dangerous, because in such societies the Jews stand out as the prominent unassimilated minority; in addition, the more homogenous the society, the easier it is for the majority members to come together as a cohesive group (see #2 below) and fight against Jewish influences. Indeed, Jews can argue that homogenous Western societies have historically been hostile to Jewish interests. Thus, Jews tend to support all endeavors and trends that disrupt Western biocultural homogeneity; they support non-Western immigration, "multiculturalism", miscegenation (for others, not themselves!), etc. Jewish spokesmen are not shy about discussing this. For example Earl Raab, a Jewish activist, wrote the following:
"The Census Bureau has just reported that about half of the American population will soon be non-white or non-European. And they will all be American citizens. We have tipped beyond the point where a Nazi-Aryan party will be able to prevail in this country.
We [Jews] have been nourishing the American climate of opposition to bigotry for about half a century. That climate has not yet been perfected, but the heterogeneous nature of our population tends to make it irreversible - and makes our constitutional constraints against bigotry more practical than ever." (Jewish Bulletin, Feb. 19, 1993)
Please note the phrase:
"ââ¬Â¦..our constitutional constraints against bigotry more practical than ever."
Goodbye, free speech!
Indeed, Jews have been instrumental in both changing immigration law so as to flood America (and other Western nations) with colored immigrants, and in altering the culture to be more "tolerant." And Raab suggests that various "constraints" may be put into place to further inhibit White interests.
Another interesting Jewish quote is by Charles Silberman:
"American Jews are committed to cultural tolerance because of their belief - one firmly rooted in history - that Jews are safe only in a society acceptant of a wide range of attitudes and behaviors, as well as a diversity of religious and ethnic groups. It is this belief, for example, not approval of homosexuality, that leads an overwhelming majority of U.S. Jews to endorse 'gay rights' and to take a liberal stance on most other so-called 'social' issues." (Silberman, C.E. 1985. A Certain People: American Jews and Their Lives Today. New York: Summit Books).
Finally, a quote by Miriam Faine of the Australian Jewish Democrat:
"The strengthening of multicultural or diverse Australia is also our most effective insurance policy against anti-Semitism. The day Australia has a Chinese Australian Governor General I would feel more confident of my freedom to live as a Jewish Australian." (in: McCormack, D. 1994 Immigration and multiculturalism. In Censorship Immigration and Multiculturalism, ed. J. Bennett. Australian Civil Liberties Union).
Of courseââ¬Â¦who cares what the White gentile Australians think, right?
Jews are also threatened by authoritarian, collectivist gentile groups or movements, which historically have excluded Jews and fought against Jewish influence; for example, the National Socialist movement in Germany. Jews themselves are highly collectivist and tend toward cohesive, authoritarian groups (here), yet they vehemently oppose and "pathologize" the very same structures for White gentiles, even though such "cohesive, group-serving" structures are now absolutely required for our survival (here ... and here). As Dr. Kevin MacDonald has written, collectivist groups always can outcompete individualist strategies, and "behavior that is critical to Judaism as a successful group evolutionary strategy is conceptualized as pathological in gentiles" ("The Culture of Critique" 1998 Westport, CT: Praeger). Jews, as a collectivist cooperating group, thrive in societies in which the non-Jewish majority are atomized individualists, individualists who can easily be outcompeted by the cohesive Jewish minority. These atomized individualists, who, unlike the Jews, only think of themselves and not their ethnie or race will not put up any organized resistance to Jewish power and influence. Indeed, such "organization" - "pathologized" (for gentiles) by the Jews - would be considered anathema by such gentile individualists. On the other hand, any sort of cohesive, collectivist gentile group poses a serious danger to Jewish interests. Thus, the strong Jewish tendency of promoting individualist ideals for gentiles, while pursuing cooperative strategies for themselves.
Given points 1 and 2, we can now take a brief look at Jews in the "movement." Note: the following is not meant as a critique of any specific pro-White group, journal, or (gentile) individual. The major point of this essay is to critique a point of view which we at Legion Europa view as profoundly destructive - the idea that Jews can and should be part of the pro-White "movement."
The pro-Jewish point of view can be represented by the following quote, taken from a review of "The Culture of Critique", in the March 1999 edition of American Renaissance. This review entitled "Cherchez le Juif" by "Stanley Hornbeck" can be found here:
[url]http://www.amren.com/993issue/993issue.html[/url]
At the end of this review we read:
"Jews are present in the foremost ranks of those who would reintegrate biology into the social sciences, stop Third-World immigration, and halt government interference in race relations. If Jews have undermined the traditions on which Western Civilization depends, so are they now undermining the liberal orthodoxy that continues to threaten those traditions.
There can be no doubting the energy and influence of this remarkable people. It would be foolish and ungrateful not to recognize that this energy and influence can help save what is left of a beleaguered civilization."
Well, then, what are some of the things this remarkable people are doing to help save our beleaguered civilization?
The cover story of that same issue of American Renaissance is an essay by the Jew Robert Weissberg, who not only has written this, but has attended pro-White (American Renaissance) conferences and has even spoken at one.
Weissberg's article is entitled "In Defense of the Racial Spoils System." You can read it for yourself (at the same link as the Hornbeck review), but I'd like to briefly quote from it to give the reader a flavor of how Weissberg is attempting to "save" (sic!) us and our civilization.
Weissberg describes his objective in this essay as attempting to prove:
"ââ¬Â¦that the existing racial spoils system (affirmative action, the double standard in crime, "sensitivity" towards black deficiencies, and everything else) is the best possible deal we can get under today's deplorable circumstances."
Now, while Weissberg sugar-coats his poison by saying that he finds this "reality" "loathsome" and these circumstances "deplorable", he then very eagerly proceeds to shed much ink telling the reader that we just have to accept the racial status quo. After all, he says, there is no real alternative, and if we try and do anything, the Blacks and other coloreds may get angry at us - what Weissberg calls "disruptive domestic upheaval." Weissberg's view is that the answer for Whites is "cowardly appeasement", which is "not as un-American as it may appear." Weissberg assures us that we'll all get used to it: "With time the spoils system grows more bearable." Indeed, I guess when a prisoner is killed by a lethal injection, it gets "more bearable" as he passes out and dies. Weissberg tells us to be realistic; after all, what's all the fuss about - it's not like those nasty Nazis killing Jews:
"..but to be realistic, there are limits to moral outrage and consequent behavior. This is not a nascent Holocaust."
However, as is clear, the racial situation in America and abroad (here....and here) is indeed a "nascent Holocaust." But, hey, it's for White gentiles, so who cares, right? Let's dish out some more "cowardly appeasement", that'll help make everything better, no?
Indeed, Weissberg tells us that:
"Let us not lose sight of the proportions: a grand crusade is not obligatory."
No, if you are content to see your race die, it certainly is not "obligatory."
Weissberg than challenges us: "..what superior political alternatives are there?" (emphasis in original).
He states:
"ââ¬Â¦.undoing the racial spoils system is like putting the toothpaste back in the tube."
In other words, he says that fixing the problem is impossible, it is too late - so don't even bother trying. He distracts the reader from considering real alternatives by suggesting that no practical ones exist. Again, his mantra: give up, it's too late, and it's not too bad anyway. Do nothing, Whitey, don't resist. Be a cowardly appeaser.
Thus, we can summarize Weissberg's advice for White Americans as follows:
Give up. There is really nothing you can do except to accept the current system, and engage in "cowardly appeasement" towards non-Whites. You must learn to accept diversity, multiracialism, multiculturalism, colored crime, affirmative action, etc. Over time, you'll get used to it, so it'll be more bearable, albeit "loathsome" and "deplorable." There is no real alternative to this. Any attempts to fix the situation will only make it worse, indeed Weissberg says "worse is possible." We certainly can't get the coloreds mad, we may have riots and so forth. So, Whitey, sit back, do nothing except appease and accept your dispossession, humiliation, and eventual racial extinction. Of course Weissberg really doesn't say that last bit, because he assures us that there is no "nascent Holocaust." That's right, Weissberg, lull us to sleep - a sleep that is a "loathsome, deplorable" nightmare via the "racial spoils system" you wish us to accept.
Of course, the separatist alternative (see also here) is ignored by Weissberg - can't give those pesky White folks any hope now, can we? (But as we shall see, even when they do propose separation, Jews can cause serious problems).
In his reply to Weissberg (which can be read right after the Weissberg article itself), American Renaissance editor Jared Taylor rightfully describes Weissberg's advice:
"..defeatist in the short term and suicidal in the long term."
Indeed it is. Who would benefit from Weissberg's advice; who would benefit if Whites accepted the status quo (and its eventual degradation to even worse horrors)? Coloreds certainly. But, also - Jews as well! Remember point #1 above? Jews revel in a diverse America, they feel safest when there is a great number of ethnic groups, when the Jews are just "one minority among many", rather than as the single identifiable minority group. Jews are not threatened by a weak, "cowardly", "appeasing" White majority, they are not upset by a White America that refuses to defend its interests, they are not scared of a majority that has taken Weissberg's advice and given up. The Jews are in large part responsible for creating the current racial situation, as it suits their purposes (points 1 and 2); thus it is in their interests to maintain it, and to deflect attempts to change it. Certainly, they would be horrified by attempts to "make things worse" by trying to "put the toothpaste back in the tube", via some sort of "grand crusade" - a crusade that may indeed involve the sort of collectivist gentile groups that the Jews abhor. Is that what Weissberg fears? In his response Mr. Taylor says:
"No nation was ever built by atomized individuals and no nation can long survive if its citizens cease to see any further than the boundaries of their own restricted lives."
Indeed. And, see point #2 - such atomization of gentiles is what the Jews want. Certainly, Weissberg in his essay argues that it is still possible for some Whites - as individuals of course - to save themselves from the hardships of the current system. He states that "ââ¬Â¦we must exercise ample consumer choice and prudence." That's it - be a "prudent" (and "cowardly" and "appeasing") consumer, an individual consumer, making individual choices. Hey, now, one gentile acting alone is OK, two acting together is, well, a problem, and three acting together - oy vey, it's a Holocaust!
Then we have the Jew Michael Hart, who publicly spoke about his plan for racial separation in America. The text can be found in: Michael Hart, "Racial Partition of the United States", pgs. 107-118 1998 In The Real American Dilemma ed. Jared Taylor Oakton, VA: New Century Books).
Hart envisions a three-way partition of America, between a "White separatist state (WSS)", a "Black separatist state (BSS)", and a multiracial diversity state. Since Hart presumably views Jews like himself as "White", they would have the option of going into the WSS. Well, we can't be surprised by that, or really blame Hart for that, regardless of whether we agree or disagree. But we can ask - what about groups other than "Whites" and Blacks? What about Asians and Hispanics for example? Do they go by default into the "diversity" state? What if they do not want to live with the Blacks which may remain in that state? OK, here comes the "kicker." In describing his putative WSS, Hart states that it "...might include some Asians and others." Incredible! And since Jews are presumably in the "White" category, who are the "others?" Hispanics? People of mixed race? What he is describing here is the possibility of a multiracial, "diverse" White "separatist" (sic!!!) state!!!!! "Asians and others", indeed! Don't you think that a huge fraction of the Asians would want to live in a "White" state if given the chance, and that many of the "others" would as well? They can't go to the BSS, and why not go to a "White" state than some sort of "diverse" dump that includes some Negroes as well? So, it would seem that, in the absence of any sort of concrete statement that provides for alternative arrangements for "Asians and others", most or all would be in the WSS. Once again, the WSS would be a multiracial "White" state that would just specifically exclude Blacks - who "just happen to be" the most anti-Semitic of all ethnoracial groups living in America today. Well then, who benefits? Do White nationalists - who desire racial homogeneity and full separatism - benefit? No. Do the "White masses" benefit. No . Of course Jews would benefit - they would avoid the danger of being the only minority in the WSS; instead, they would be "lost" in the stew of "Asians and others." Indeed, in comparison with the "Asians and others", the Jews would seem to Euro-Americans to be "White like us", and in this sense the Jews would be able to blend even better into the so-called WSS. The amazing thing is that White homogeneity is so intrinsically "problematic" for Jews that they advance "diversity" even in the midst of proposing racial separatism! Well, given point #1, that can be no surprise.
Hart also suggests that the WSS, containing Jews and Asians, would most likely be a "ââ¬Â¦comparatively laisser-faire capitalist stateââ¬Â¦"; in other words, a state driven by an individualist sociopolitical/economic structure. Hmmmm. See point #2. Also note that in the last chapter of The Culture of Critique, Dr. MacDonald warns that the United States will likely be "..dominated by an Asian technocratic elite and a Jewish business, professional, and media elite." And "lower-middle-class Caucasians" (i.e., Euro-Americans) will "lose out."
Hart's state looks like it'll be ripe for such Jewish-Asian domination of the European-derived population, a population lulled into acceptance of the results of "fair" (sic!) "laisser-faire" competition of collectivist groups against individualistic Euro-Americans.
Then there is the example of a certain pro-White online discussion list that welcomes Jews. Here the Jewish "contribution" is to promote the idea that America should welcome ("high-IQ", hey, more competition, Whitey) colored immigrants from East Asia and South Asia, and that White Americans should intermarry with these aliens. Hey, surprise! Promoting colored immigration and White-colored miscegenation on a "pro-White" list! Fits in very well with points 1 and 2 above, no? Get America nice and diverse and miscegenated, destroy any sense of Euro-American racial group solidarity and homogeneity. In fact, it was suggested that we just have to accept this diversity and mixing, if we do not, if we remain closed, we risk conquest by the Chinese and Japanese - Asian groups which themselves are racially homogenous and xenophobic. In other words, in order to save ourselves from racially homogenous, xenophobic and ethnocentric Orientals, who eschew immigrants (and pursue eugenics in a "racially pure" manner), we need to embrace diversity, colored immigration (including the Orientals who may want to conquer us!), and miscegenation! What? Doesn't make sense to you? Re-read points 1 and 2 above, and then it will make sense. It'll make much sense indeed! After all, it is all the same principle, no? Advocate colored immigration and miscegenation on a "pro-White" list. Promote a multiracial "White separatist state." Try and convince White folks that the current multiracial system is the best they can do. Promote diversity, even in "pro-White" environments, promote atomistic individualism , promote everything and anything that prevents a White "grand crusade" which may exclude Jews and promote White collectivism and White biocultural homogeneity.
Some "contributions", eh?
On that same list, further Jewish "contributions" include the following statement, made in the context of whining about the "Holocaust":
"Put simply, the world my mother's family came from no longer exists. This was not a natural event but the result of the predations of Stalin but especially Hitler. Now, you may think this is a good thing. In fact I'm sure you and the other two-bit, low-rent Roman Catholic Nazi pieces of walking excrement are utterly thrilled."
That Talmudic-style invective is utterly disgusting and absolutely atrocious, especially given where it was said. A "pro-White" discussion list where genuine persons of European descent are called "two-bit, low-rent Roman Catholic Nazi pieces of walking excrement", by a person of Middle-Eastern (Jewish) racial extraction; but, hey, let's not insult Jews there - that'll be "anti-Semitic."
As regards this Jew's whining about the "Holocaust", I can say:
"hey Jew, your people are committing a genocidal HOLOCAUST against my people right now (see this...and this) - and don't you think the Germans saw what the Jews did to the Slavs in the Soviet Union ? Because of the Jews the old world of the West no longer exists, just as the world of the Eastern European peoples ceased to exist after decades of destructive and genocidal Jewish communism."
But, I have never heard on a list any White nationalist refer to Jews with the vile invective quoted above. That the list in question has seen that is proof positive of what happens when Jews are allowed to participate, and tells us what those Jews really think of us.
Then we have Rabbi Schiller, see:
[url]http://www.forward.com/issues/2001/01.04.13/news5.html[/url]
I wonder if the British National Front appreciated Schiller's "contributions." And since Schiller was teaching in a separatist Yeshiva (Jewish school), and since he had some association with the separatist New Square community ), one wonders what he thinks the role of Jews should be in a White nationalist state? To live as an unassimilated minority, separate from the majority - starting the whole cycle of Gentile-Jewish conflict all over again?
Now, there are those who will say that I've been selectively negative on this topic, and that they know "good Jews" who are "different", and that we should not generalize. Perhaps. Or are they being selectively positive? Are they over-looking some evidence that their Jewish friends may have an agenda quite different than what it may seem on the surface? What are the opinions of these "good Jews" on the subjects raised here? What are their opinions on other issues, like the Middle East, for example, and the role of the U.S. there? What do they think the long-term role of Jews in a "White state" should be? Do they accept the need for White biocultural homogeneity and collectivism?
Are their interests really the same as ours?
And if they are not, what are they doing in the "movement?"
Just like "conservatives" refuse to face the facts about the Jews and Jewish involvement in "conservatism" , so too do some in the "movement" refuse to face the facts about the Jews, and refuse to face the fact that Euro-gentile and Jewish interests are different and incompatible.
The longer Jews are allowed to fester in some precincts of "the movement" the more damage they will do. To allow those who view us as "excrement" to sit alongside our own people is a serious mistake. To ignore the warning inherent in this essay is a grave error. To allow Jewish "White nationalists" to continue to make their very "interesting" "contributions" is "defeatist in the short term and suicidal in the long term."
Only our own people care about our own people - it is as simple as that. It is high time that Euro-Western White nationalism be for Euro-Western peoples. This does not imply that we have to be hostile to Jews or any other people.
It does mean that we must choose to survive, and not let fast-talking "others" mislead us in our "grand crusade."
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2003-10-04 02:24 | User Profile
Re: The Amren Conference Well, at least they all wore nice suits and didn't offend anybody -- especially the jews -- and that's what really counts.
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