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2003-08-25 14:37 | User Profile
[url=http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/NetLoss/Irving/Irving-ExposingIrving.html]http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/NetLoss/Ir...singIrving.html[/url] Exposing David Irving Is Irving a Thief? Forger? Pedophile? Liar? Incompetent Historian? Jewish Agent? Here Is the Birdman's Best Evidence -- You Decide
By John "Birdman" Bryant
INTRODUCTION
David Irving is perhaps the most famous historian of the present day, tho some would regard him as less famous than infamous. He is acknowledged even by his enemies to be probably the foremost historian of the Third Reich, and his books have been popular with the reading public. He is also widely regarded among certain groups as a great fighter for truth in history, particularly as a result of the libel suit which he instituted against Deborah Lipstadt which drew much public attention to the scholastic shoddiness which is used to support what I have long referred to in my own writings as the Orthodox Jewish Version of the Holocaust.
But if Irving has notable virtues -- or at least appears to -- it also seems clear that he has some notable vices. To explain, let me begin by quoting two recent letters which I wrote to Irving.
[First letter to Irving]
To: David Irving Date: 30 March 2003
Dear Mr Irving:
As of yesterday we are in receipt of your March 9 letter datelined Key West, whose purpose we take to be to soften the blow that you are not planning to send out interest checks to your investors this quarter. Perhaps this is not the case, but if it is, we find it strange that:
1) You seem to have sufficient means to maintain one home in London and another in Key West
2) Your website is soliciting investors at "ten percent and up", yet you are not paying interest to those who have already invested
3) I appreciate that you have been thru some difficult times as a result of the Lipstadt suit and the judgment against you which has resulted in confiscation of your property, but I have to wonder why this property was not transferred to your wife or other trusted persons before you initiated your lawsuit. (You seem to have transferred at least some property, since according to your website, Parforce UK is handling the investors' money).
These things bother me. I am not going to ask you to explain, but I am going to ask you to get the interest check to us on time from now on. If at any time you cannot do so, then we will put in a request at that time for you to return our principal, since you have required that we give you 6 months' notice. That includes next month's check.
Please do not misunderstand. You are a fabulous historian, and a great fighter, and we want you to survive and prosper. But we ourselves also wish to survive and prosper. We have indulged several late payments before, but that indulgence is now at an end. As they say, Nothing personal, just business.
[Second letter to Irving]
To: David Irving ( focalp@aol.com & info@fpp.co.uk ) From: John Bryant Date: April 18, 2003
Mr Irving:
I sent you a letter more than 2 weeks ago. In case you didn't receive it, you will find it at the end of this one. I am also taking the precaution of sending this letter to both of your email addresses, as well as to two persons that are known to -- and friendly to -- both of us.
In my last letter, I tried to be gentle. Since you did not answer me, I shall now be blunt.
It appears that you are not being quite ethical in your dealings with your 'investors', as you call them -- or at least with my wife, who has loaned you a fair chunk of money. In particular, as of this date you are still soliciting investors at 'ten percent and up', yet you aren't paying interest to your current investors (with my wife you are now behind two payments), AND you are maintaining a home on two continents, with a secretary yet. So tell me, Mr Irving, is there any other possible conclusion besides that you are being just plain irresponsible, or maybe just ripping your investors off? These are the people who have trusted you. In my book there isn't anything much worse than violating a trust. If I am somehow wrong, then by all means correct me. But it is going to be very hard to convince me that fulfilling your promised obligations should be less a priority than having a gay old time in Key West.
The bottom line, then, is this: If we can't make some private arrangement about settling this within the next few days, then I will make this correspondence public on my website -- a site almost as popular as yours [actually, quite a bit MORE popular according to ranking.com, using the hit counts measure], and one which is read by many of the same people who read yours. Besides the correspondence I will also post a discussion of some other matters relevant to the present situation which I am not sure you will find entirely pleasant. If this still does not produce the desired result, I have several further options, including bill collectors, civil suits and public prosecutors (You may recall that David Duke is going to prison for gambling away contributors' money). These things may have the effect of keeping you from returning to the US and making it difficult for you to attract further 'investors', and may even impact your book sales. Beyond this, I am sure I don't have to remind you that there are powerful people in both Britain and America who would like to see you take a fall, and that thievery and running a Ponzi scheme are serious offenses which, via extradition treaties, could make it difficult for you to do any further serious writing, even if your behavior toward your investors is only the lesser sin of negligence.
I am not your enemy, Mr Irving. My wife and I certainly have no desire to hurt you -- in fact, the reason my wife loaned you the money was to help you -- to do well by doing good, you might say. In this context I might point out that my admiration for your work is reflected in the fact that I patterned my website somewhat after yours, using the same background color, and contrasting your 'Website of Real History' with my 'Website of Real Free Speech'. I am fully in favor of 'truth in history', but I think it needs to be accompanied by 'truth in lending'.
Let me propose the following as a more-than-fair settlement. By the end of the next quarter you pay my wife the interest you owe for three quarters, and at each new quarter thereafter you pay her the interest you owe for that quarter without fail. Also, you set a date by which you agree to return the principal amount (you agreed to a 6 months' notice; we will allow you more time than that if you wish.)
Let me say as I said before that we would like to see you survive and prosper, but not at the expense of violating our trust.
Again, I urge you to settle this privately and as amicably as possible -- it is very much in your interest as well as ours that you do so. If we don't hear from you fairly promptly -- say, by the 25th -- well, let me just say that we don't plan to be wronged and let it pass.
John Bryant
PS: I am sending a copy of this letter to Fredrick Toben of the Adelaide Institute, and Donald E Pauly, who helped to host you at a Nevada function a year or so ago. I wish them to be witnesses to this correspondence, and to act as friendly parties whom I am inviting to offer their own input to help settle this matter if they feel it is appropriate. I am requesting that they keep this matter confidential for now.
PPS: It surprised me today to realize that this is Good Friday, the crucifixion date of a certain Christian, or Jew, or half'n'half, depending on your interpretation. It is also the date of Paul Revere's ride to warn his countrymen to be up and to arms against a British assault. Beyond that, it is but a temporal stone's throw from the Spring rebirthing celebrations of which Easter and Passover are but modern variants. I am sure that the aficionados of synchronicity could cite various parallels between the situations just cited and that of this letter, whose date I hasten to add is purely accidental.
[End of 2 letters to Irving]
If readers were to call me foolish for writing these letters, perhaps they would not be entirely wrong. Maybe I would have been better off by saying nothing, and hoping that Irving would come into better times and start making his interest payments again. I admit that this might have been a more likely way to get my wife's investment back, and would have had the additional virtue of keeping me from having to expend time and effort on this matter. But on the other hand, it angers me when I think I am being taken advantage of, and I have now acquired enuf information about Irving apart from my own experiences to make me highly suspicious of him. In particular, lest the reader think that Irving's misbehavior as described in the above letters is just a freak occurrence, let me point out that a number of serious charges against Irving have been made by others. As isolated accusations, they might not necessarily deserve great weight; but taken together within the context of Irving's behavior toward me, they reinforce each other and 'connect the dots' to paint an entirely different picture -- a picture of Dorian Gray, one might surmise. These charges -- which we shall discuss in detail shortly -- come from the following documents:
(1) An essay posted on the Net which indicates that Irving is suppressing the Jewish connection to 911
(2) A 1994 book published in the UK by Alexander Baron which says that
(a) Irving is a homosexual pedophile
(B) Irving is literally mad
© Irving is sexually fixated with nazism and Jews
(d) Irving maintains a Hitler shrine in a house in London where he has bizarre homosexual encounters
(e) Irving has (or had) a German mistress
(f) Irving's scholarship is questionable
(g) Irving is guilty of numerous documented lies
(h) Irving is controlled by Organized Jewry via his sex life
(i) Irving is protected by Organized Jewry
(j) Irving lives high on the hog (limousines, $5000 suits) in spite of financial problems
(3) Allegations by others which state directly or by implication that Irving is guilty of serious crimes or ethical breaches -- an interpretation reinforced by Irving's often-disingenuous responses to these charges
(4) My own investigations which suggest that
(a) Baron is probably right about at least some of the sexual charges
(B) Baron is right to raise questions about Irving's scholarship
© Irving is apparently covering up the intimate involvement of nazism with the occult, thus throwing into doubt his claim of writing 'real history'
(d) Irving is probably half-Jewish (not a 'charge', but obviously relevant to Irving's motives)
I discuss these items in the correspondingly-numbered sections below:
(1) COVERING UP THE 911 JEWISH CONNECTION
Salvador Astucia is the author of a book, Opium Lords, which contains a chapter supporting the theory that 911 was in part the work of Jewish conspirators. Astucia was first .....................
2003-08-25 22:20 | User Profile
John Bryant himself is Jewish, look at his picture at [url=http://www.thebirdman.org/]http://www.thebirdman.org/[/url] Very Jewish phenotype.
Regards,
Ares
2003-08-26 02:05 | User Profile
**I appreciate that you have been thru some difficult times as a result of the Lipstadt suit and the judgment against you which has resulted in confiscation of your property, but I have to wonder why this property was not transferred to your wife or other trusted persons before you initiated your lawsuit. **
I don't know.... Maybe because it's ILLEGAL and the transfers would be voidable?
2003-08-26 04:11 | User Profile
Could John Bryant be the fraud if he is trying to distroy David Irving? Can Bill White and John Bryant be considered "Trojan Horses?" Just speculating.
2003-08-26 04:15 | User Profile
Due to lack of innate ethnocentrism in Whites, infighting will always continue, which will lead to complete failure. In fact, the history of the White race is one of intra-racial slaughtering. This is why I say that Whites are genetically built to be ANTI-racialists, which means there is no future for the current White gene pool. Hence, only by altering the gene pool can a sustainable race be created, one which we can feel like being a part of because it will be us who creates it.
2003-08-26 06:52 | User Profile
Don't know much about John "Birdman" Bryant, but he sounds like a bona fide wacko.
2003-08-26 13:05 | User Profile
On his website Bryant accuses Irving of homosexual pedophilia :naughty: . The evidence being that he visits Key West regularly. B)
2003-08-26 13:31 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Bardamu@Aug 26 2003, 07:05 * ** On his website Bryant accuses Irving of homosexual pedophilia :naughty: . The evidence being that he visits Key West regularly. B) **
Are you saying that you need more evidence? :huh:
It appears to be an open and shut case...
2003-08-26 15:16 | User Profile
Ed Toner
For some reason you have a strong fixation on [color=red]Birdbrain[/color] Bryant. You accept his claim to a stratospheric IQ while I do not. I found [color=red]Birdbrain[/color]'s unwillingness to accept documentation of the cowardice of Jews in American wars to be quite revealing. His denial was quite hysterical. He approached the [color=yellow]Yellow Polichinello [/color]standard for obnoxious and deceitful behavior. Many on the right who sustain forums such as his do so for pecuniary reasons. They may believe some of what they say or write, but are far more concerned with having the money roll in. I would place [color=red]Birdbrain[/color] in this category.
I am speaking at David Irving's conference in Cincinnatti this weekend. If you have read any of Irving's books, you would know his work is far superior to any of the drivel that Bryant can produce. When world respected military historian, John Keegan, testifies to Iriving's prowess and willingness to confront unpopular opinion, that is quite a testimonial. Idiotic [color=red]Birdbrain[/color] would have a hard time pulling his hand out of his shorts in that company. I almost regard your posting of this moron's rant to be an insult to members who have any regard for history.
2003-08-26 15:58 | User Profile
I am speaking at David Irving's conference in Cincinnatti this weekend.
Mr. Gibbon,
Could you post an outline or transcript of the meeting here, if at all possible? I regret I cannot attend, but I would be very interested in hearing about it.
P.S. Forgive me if this has been explained elsewhere, but is there a good source to find your books to purchase, either online or in a store?
2003-08-26 16:43 | User Profile
Originally posted by Bardamu@Aug 26 2003, 09:05 * On his website Bryant accuses Irving of homosexual pedophiliaÃÂ :naughty: . The evidence being that he visits Key West regularly.ÃÂ B)*
Unwarranted accusations and associations of this nature are quite typical of small-minded folk having a certain distant relationship with honest communication. It is a dishonorable technique employed most famously by the Talmudic set.
Still, it's hard to imagine how Irving could stomach the current-day Key West. The place is a far cry from its Papa days, or even its Buffett days.
2003-08-26 17:00 | User Profile
MadScienceType
The conference is at Cincinnatti and the speakers list plus other information can be seen at: [url=http://www.fpp.co.uk/cinc/2003/speakers/index.html]http://www.fpp.co.uk/cinc/2003/speakers/index.html[/url]
My book can be purchased at Amazon by just clicking on the url in my signature block.
2003-08-26 18:13 | User Profile
I purchased Richard Earley's book after reading the positive reviews over on Polinco (or was it the SF forum?). An excellent read (if perhaps a little sloppily edited) and an informative source.
But when did you 'come out', or has it been common knowledge here that EG = RE and I just missed it?
I too would like to hear your impressions of the Real History event. I have thought about attending before, but have frankly been put off by David Irving's boorishness on the couple of occasions I have met him. It would be interesting to hear somebody else's take besides Irving's.
Regarding his work, I would not quite place it on the same plane as Keegan who has I would say the greater bandwidth if lacking Irving's encyclopaedic knowledge of the Third Reich.
Please consider filing a report here when you get back.
2003-08-26 18:22 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Bardamu@Aug 26 2003, 07:05 * ** On his website Bryant accuses Irving of homosexual pedophilia :naughty: . The evidence being that he visits Key West regularly. B) **
Actually, John Bryant, on his site, wants to legalize sex between individuals 18 and over and individuals under that age of 10. He claims that the history of the White race is one of an abundance of adult/child sexual relations and that is is good to do so.
2003-08-26 18:26 | User Profile
Of course, the mainstream is more likely to support John Bryant's anti-David Irving ideals, as opposed to the pro-Irving ideas of Stormfront members, because Birdman writes intelligently and looks mainstream, while Stormfront uses burning crosses, swastikas, and skinheads with tatoos and shaved heads. Which side do YOU think mainstream Whites will follow? When I mentioned this fact at Stormfront, Muadib banned me.
Regards,
White Nationalist
2003-08-26 18:32 | User Profile
Dan Dare (Posted on Aug 26 2003, 19:13)
I purchased Richard Earley's book after reading the positive reviews over on Polinco (or was it the SF forum?). An excellent read (if perhaps a little sloppily edited) and an informative source. I knew I had but one shot at writing a book to challenge the recall of events that was so distorted that I found it to be harmful to American civility. If I had the money to write what I would have liked, the book would have been 1500 pages.> But when did you 'come out', or has it been common knowledge here that EG = RE and I just missed it? ** I believe it just came to be. For a long time respondents like Sertorius have known who I was. Occasionally I revealed myself. With the gutless scumbag Polichinello, who previously lied and conducted himself deceitfully towards me, I had to present my true self.> I too would like to hear your impressions of the Real History event. I have thought about attending before, but have frankly been put off by David Irving's boorishness on the couple of occasions I have met him. It would be interesting to hear somebody else's take besides Irving's. I have only talked with Irving, and he has been fair with me. > Regarding his work, I would not quite place it on the same plane as Keegan who has I would say the greater bandwidth if lacking Irving's encyclopaedic knowledge of the Third Reich.** I read once again what I had written. I rendered John Keegan's opinion on Irving and did not equate Irving with Keegan as being a military historian. Once again Irving has been fair to me. Many of the professed "right" have little interest in historical truth, but are far more concerned with grabbing shekels.
Please consider filing a report here when you get back. I will.
2003-08-26 19:12 | User Profile
*Originally posted by White Nationalist@Aug 25 2003, 22:15 * ** This is why I say that Whites are genetically built to be ANTI-racialists, which means there is no future for the current White gene pool. **
This cannot be true; otherwise there would already be no Whites.
In other words, it would be an unsolvable mystery why we have survived for so long.
2003-08-26 19:41 | User Profile
**This cannot be true; otherwise there would already be no Whites.
In other words, it would be an unsolvable mystery why we have survived for so long.**
Okey, let me correct my statement: the racial bond in Whites is very weak, more weak than any other race, which makes it very easy for Jews to manipulate Whites to turn on each other and accept their own destruction. So, I believe this weak racial bond needs to be strenghened at the genetic level to make Whites more resistant to such manipulation.
Regards,
White Nationalist
2003-08-26 22:02 | User Profile
I'm glad I posted this. Lot's of controversy, of course. I attended a meeting with Irving at a motel in Newark where he was selling Hitlers War. I have his autographed copy. He seemed like an astute scholarly individual to me. Joe Stano was with me, and he bought one, too.
On the other hand, I've known John Bryant for many years, and I have a high regard for him, both for his intelligence, and outspokeness on sensitive issues. Just look at the titles of his books - John has brass ones.
We must remember too that with high intelligence, there is often quirks in mannerisms, etc..
Keep posting.
2003-08-26 22:14 | User Profile
**Okey, let me correct my statement: the racial bond in Whites is very weak, more weak than any other race, which makes it very easy for Jews to manipulate Whites **
With respect, this is pure drivel. There is no evidence for this assertion.
In instances where whites are in the minority, for example expatriate communities in Saudi Arabia, Singapore or wherever, they tend to bond quite strongly in racial and even national groupings.
The ease with which Jews are able to exercise their manipulative skills in European-based socieites is more a function of ignorance and complacency on the part of the host populations rather than any race-specific attribute. The fact that Jews are phenotypically frequently 'white' aids in their endeavors.
If there were ever to be other societies (let's say Indian or Chinese) that offered similarly rich sanction-free rewards for mischief and parasitism, and to which Jews could emigrate in sufficient numbers, you can bet they would be there in force doing what they do best.
2003-09-04 19:07 | User Profile
Re the 'homosexual Nazi fetishist pedophile' nonsense:
Bryant's own letter makes it eminently clear that, had he gotten his check on time, he'd have kept quiet about that stuff.
If he believes any or all that laundry-list to be true, then his silence is cheaply bought, I'd say; appallingly so.
If he believes it to be without merit, then he's knowingly using vile calumnies to smear someone with whom he has a simple business dispute with to pressure them into coming across (Or should I say: whom his wife has a dispute with.)