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Thread ID: 9135 | Posts: 50 | Started: 2003-08-18
2003-08-18 17:51 | User Profile
Let's talk about basics.
1) What do you (generic) want in societal terms and why? In other words, lets get serious about ideology rather then mere critique.
2) What do you (generic) have to offer your lansmen in terms of solution to the problems facing them and their children? In other words what public policies flow from your ideology?
3) Why has American racialism and paleo-conservatism been dramatic failures for decades?
4) Is it reasonable to expect that a continuation of the same approaches used for the last two generations will produce worth while results before too few of your kind are left to make a difference?
5) What needs to change to make racialism a viable alternative to some significant portion of Occidental Americans?
6) What have you (generic) done to advance the struggle? What needs to happen to make your efforts more effective?
7) How do we (generic) insulate ourselves from economic blackmail by the establishment?
8) How have racial aliens and our ideological enemies managed support their own communities outside of siphoning off tax monies?
9) What are we (generic) doing to create our own institutions?
10) What can we (generic) do to fund projects that advance our struggle?
2003-08-18 19:23 | User Profile
Let's talk about basics.
1) What do you (generic) want in societal terms and why? In other words, lets get serious about ideology rather then mere critique.
I want a 5-year moratorium on all immigration effective today. I want the 5M illegals deported effective today. I would like whites to only marry whites. Those are my biggest concerns.
2) What do you (generic) have to offer your lansmen in terms of solution to the problems facing them and their children? In other words what public policies flow from your ideology? I offer no solutions. I just want awareness. As Francis wrote me once, you cannot have actions if you can't make people aware.
3) Why has American racialism and paleo-conservatism been dramatic failures for decades? American whites descended from immigrants themselves. It's been the big crux that the left "fools" the white citizenry with. We can't oppose that which helped us.
4) Is it reasonable to expect that a continuation of the same approaches used for the last two generations will produce worth while results before too few of your kind are left to make a difference? If we knew what approach would work, we'd do it. And several have been tried, all failures. It's hopeless, IMO.
5) What needs to change to make racialism a viable alternative to some significant portion of Occidental Americans? Forced integration. No more white-flight allowed. Hope to God the greens enact urban sprawl restrictions that force high density populace. YOu want diversity? Sit in it for a few years.
6) What have you (generic) done to advance the struggle? What needs to happen to make your efforts more effective? Told my friends, family. And have been 100% unyielding about these issues. Said things that kind of shock them, without apology.
7) How do we (generic) insulate ourselves from economic blackmail by the establishment? Can't. Start your own business. HIre your own "people" Get in heavy cash-businesses (restaurants, yard care, etc) where you can rob your entity blind.
8) How have racial aliens and our ideological enemies managed support their own communities outside of siphoning off tax monies? I'm not so sure they have. Those communities are disasters. White people live qutie well. That's why they're asleep.
9) What are we (generic) doing to create our own institutions?
Nothing.
10) What can we (generic) do to fund projects that advance our struggle?
Try to find employment that doesn't pay taxes....starve the Federalis. Who knows?
-Jay
2003-08-18 21:10 | User Profile
Well, since it seems to be slow, I'll follow up Jay and give some quite off the cuff answers. Maybe it will get it stirred up a bit.
1) To live in a peaceful community with and around folks like myself that is generally free of government and corporate excess as is possible.
2) A fairly closed society with representative government as close to the people as is possible.
3) Mainstream, national media.
4) We've got to find a way around # 3.
5) I don't think racialism, strictly defined as such, will ever make significant inroads into American political or social activism.
6) Started OD. Surely that counts for something. Would like much more input and support on how to build local, organizational networks throughout the country.
7) Hard to do, for sure. One way would be to have some good lawyers volunteer their services for the cause. Another is to make sure key leaders are men of unquestioned integrity and commitment.
8) They have the strong arm of the Federal U.S. Government as an enforcer and a national media sympathetic to their respective causes.
9) Start from this internet base and begin making real-world connections and organizing. Numerous small, sympathetic existing organizations abound, but we need to get every one of them pulling in the same direction.
10) A dollar here, a dollar there. No wealthy benefactors are going to step-up and save us. Each of us has to devote some financial resources and time, no matter how small.
2003-08-18 21:32 | User Profile
1) What do you (generic) want in societal terms and why? In other words, lets get serious about ideology rather then mere critique. I want a 5-year moratorium on all immigration effective today. I want the 5M illegal deported effective today. I would like whites to only marry whites. Those are my biggest concerns.
Those are policy goals not an ideological statement. If the states were to do both of those things Occidental America would be given a 10-20 year reprieve from the demographic crisis that presently is looming over the horizon. Of course, demographic decline is symptomatic of basic systemic problems which are not addressed by policy statements which is why one needs an ideological framework to direct efforts towards something rather then a mere reversal from some near term (historically speaking) catastrophe.
2) What do you (generic) have to offer your lansmen in terms of solution to the problems facing them and their children? In other words what public policies flow from your ideology? I offer no solutions. I just want awareness. As Francis wrote me once, you cannot have actions if you can't make people aware.
Awareness is nice but without solutions and clear perspective upon which they are based you won't achieve anything. Present a viable alternative as well as a critique and publicly live as an example of your ideas and people that are reachable will respond.
3) Why has American racialism and paleo-conservatism been dramatic failures for decades? American whites descended from immigrants themselves. It's been the big crux that the left "fools" the white citizenry with. We can't oppose that which helped us.
We both know that a nation is nothing more then expression of the folk that dominates it. When enough third world aliens reside within a given area that region becomes a de facto part of the third world. In short Mexico/China/Turkey/sub-Saharan Africa are where the Mexicans/Chinese/Turks/Congoids are numerous enough to dominate. Once again we come back to the question of ideology and what sort of society you aspire to having. As it stands America will be faced with a demographic crisis within 10-20 years and the chance to do something about it will be very short in historical terms. What racialists and paleo-cons have been doing as been a dramatic failure for twice as long as I've been alive. I ask again, why is that? The answer was covered briefly in Tsun's thread but more fully in the old "Failure of Paleo-conservatism" thread
4) Is it reasonable to expect that a continuation of the same approaches used for the last two generations will produce worth while results before too few of your kind are left to make a difference? ** If we knew what approach would work, we'd do it. And several have been tried, all failures. It's hopeless, IMO.**
I have pointed out problems with the way American racialists & paleo-cons have approached the crisis of barbarism that is starting to engulf your country as well as some lessons learned by those that have done a better job resisting the forces of decay. Simply surrendering is an excellent way to lose what you have, get the worst possible alternative form of society and doom your self and your children to a squalid, brutal life not worth having.
5) What needs to change to make racialism a viable alternative to some significant portion of Occidental Americans? Forced integration. No more white-flight allowed. Hope to God the greens enact urban sprawl restrictions that force high density populace. YOu want diversity? Sit in it for a few years.
The question was what do American racialists need to do differently in order to get off the slow route to extermination. In large measure you already have forced integration and it has not been helpful because a viable alternative has not been presented by those that object to a "Stalinism lite" post-America model.
6) What have you (generic) done to advance the struggle? What needs to happen to make your efforts more effective? Told my friends, family. And have been 100% unyielding about these issues. Said things that kind of shock them, without apology.
How well did you convey a positive alternative to the on going destruction of your nation? How well did you critique the current order? How many have you won over to your side? What can be done to improve the delivery of your message? What are you doing to sharpen your debating skills and your knowledge of pro-Occidental alternatives to the current order?
7) How do we (generic) insulate ourselves from economic blackmail by the establishment? ** Can't. Start your own business. HIre your own "people" Get in heavy cash-businesses (restaurants, yard care, etc) where you can rob your entity blind.**
If Americans ever get serious about creating "counter power" enterprises along the general lines I, and others, have described you could not be subject to losing your job because your employer objects to your politics. You'd have a means of demonstrating that your ideas are above simply "robbing someone else blind" and prove by example that your ideas are worth something tangible.
8) How have racial aliens and our ideological enemies managed support their own communities outside of siphoning off tax monies? I'm not so sure they have. Those communities are disasters. White people live qutie well. That's why they're asleep.
In point of fact, racial aliens have massive and numerous institutions that promote their racial agendas while Occidental Americans have none. The institutional/governmental power of aliens are ascending right along with their demographic rise and the subsequent demise of your own kinsmen. Also, a great many millions of your countrymen are in poverty or close to it as your middle class shrinks and the fundamentals of your economy are disintegrating. Again we come back to the need for a viable alternative.
9) What are we (generic) doing to create our own institutions?
**Nothing. **
True enough, and the defeatism and lack of progress you (generic) face is the result.
10) What can we (generic) do to fund projects that advance our struggle? Try to find employment that doesn't pay taxes....starve the Federalis. Who knows?
Not helping the enemy is good but doing something to turn the tide is better.
2003-08-18 22:03 | User Profile
[/QUOTE]> 1) To live in a peaceful community with and around folks like myself that is generally free of government and corporate excess as is possible.
That's a vaguely stated goal not an ideological framework.
2) A fairly closed society with representative government as close to the people as is possible.
A policy goal needs to not simply state what you want but how, exactly, one plans to change something given the means.
3) Mainstream, national media.
What does that say about what they have been doing"
** 4) We've got to find a way around # 3.> **
How? What else needs to be done?
5) I don't think racialism, strictly defined as such, will ever make significant inroads into American political or social activism.
If it doesn't then you'll die in a third world cesspit. The basis of a society is it's people and ones other then yours are dooming your former nation to destruction. You can't solve problems without addressing fundamentals. That is exactly what genuine racialism (not the stupid hateful blather that dominates the American scene) is about.
6) Started OD. Surely that counts for something. Would like much more input and support on how to build local, organizational networks throughout the country.
On the first we agree. On the second we get back to the previous issue. Making ideas matter means clarifying them and that means having an ideology and policy goals that flow from them. Once again we go back to issues raised in the "failure of paleo-con" thread from the old days. Making ideas have an impact means public activism which is covered on Tsun's page cited at the start of his thread.
7) Hard to do, for sure. One way would be to have some good lawyers volunteer their services for the cause. Another is to make sure key leaders are men of unquestioned integrity and commitment.
Fine points. But again we come back to the matter of "counter power" projects which was covered in the Tsun thread.
8) They have the strong arm of the Federal U.S. Government as an enforcer and a national media sympathetic to their respective causes.
That's a symptom of institutional power. As I mentioned before, the aliens have plenty of organizational clout to effect public policy. They have that power because they intra-group cohesion. If want such cohesion you have to get back to the matter of racial identity and interests. That means a folkish alternative to the current order is a must. Else wise your left with disparate groups with no commonality to work towards saving the basis upon which your former republic was based. Acting upon that realization means public activism and the means to support it (i.e counter power enterprises)
9) Start from this internet base and begin making real-world connections and organizing. Numerous small, sympathetic existing organizations abound, but we need to get every one of them pulling in the same direction.
I don't see internet activity translate into the real world. Organizing requires having a comprehensive ideology to guide an individual or group, goals that are derived from that gestalt and a localized strategy to promote your vision which leads us back to community activism.
**10) A dollar here, a dollar there. No wealthy benefactors are going to step-up and save us. Each of us has to devote some financial resources and time, no matter how small. **
True enough. But in specific terms we come back to the problem of not having a real frame work to work from, simple policy wishes rather then a goals based agenda, no organizational structure to advance what ever it is you want and no systemic approach to activism to make any of the former things happen.
2003-08-18 22:05 | User Profile
Sorry for interrupting your other thread, triskelion. My comment about intellectual vanity wasnââ¬â¢t directed at you in particular, or your thread. All humans are into self-promotion, even me, and lately it seems that a mutual admiration society was taking shape among certain sophisticated posters. I find such traits tiresome, so I try my best to avoid them.
A small, homogenous island in the North Atlantic may be a good example for white nationalists in America, and it might have worked fifty years ago but I fear itââ¬â¢s too late now. In short, America is ZOG-occupied territory, a colony of Israel, and nothing short of worldwide catastrophe, say, a financial meltdown or another world war will change that.
Reform is impossible as long as Jews control big media, the big publishing houses, and the entertainment industry, not to mention the federal government. In a worst-case scenario catastrophe will destroy Western Civilization--reduced to families and tribes, which means survive or die for white folks, cream, as always, will rise to the top--and Jews will become nothing but a bad dream. In a best-case scenario, a system of government will survive, and someone like David Duke or George Wallace will emerge to rescue America, led her again to the promised land.
-Z-
2003-08-18 22:16 | User Profile
Zoroaster my old friend,
The methods mentioned in the other thread were all started in other European nations that are sufering under third world invasions. Some of my little interprises are located back in the motherland rather then just the isles. I know of plenty of other people that are launching hteir own projects along the lines I described which is where my inspiration came from.
I am not talking about reform. I am talking about forming a viable alternative the established order for the purpose of building activist cadres whose purpose is to recognize oppertunities to build support within some segment of society at large in order to gain societal influence. Our own "long march through the institutions" if you will.
Rather then talk about "what happens when the lights go out" lets instead focus on doing something practical about our plight now. Without some meaningful ideology, an activist cadre to advance it and a method to do so we are left spinning our wheels waiting for an oppertunity we can't act on.
2003-08-18 22:32 | User Profile
triskelion, the magniicent Viking:
I must feed and watch the baseball game now. Then I will attempt to answer your questions in a meaningful way. I must admit, though, my outlook to the future is rather pessimistic.
2003-08-19 05:49 | User Profile
Triskelion:
I think you know my background so I won't repeat it here, but suffice to say, after spending my formative years in Europe and many years since in the USA, my very strong leaning is towards the pessimistic pole as far as the USA is concerned.
With more than one third of the population now of non-European stock, America has already passed the demographic point of no return and almost nobody noticed (apart from us).
Perhaps I am extrapolating from an extreme case - California - but it seems to me that as long as the very viable option exists for racially conscious whites to quietly slip away to less 'diverse' regions and states they will continue to do so, even while having to grit their teeth against the confiscatory taxation levied to pay for the multicultural empire.
I believe this scenario can continue for at least another two generations before the enclave gets too confined, the incursions too frequent, and the financial burden too painful. At that point there will be an awakening, but not until then.
As for Europe: the flight option is not available. Ordinary people understand this intuitively and the vast majority are socially quite immobile anyway compared to Americans. For this reason, I am more optimistic about the prospects for political change in Europe, and suggest that is where efforts should be focused.
2003-08-19 12:49 | User Profile
**3) Mainstream, national media.
4) We've got to find a way around # 3.
**
Tex,
If you haven't already done so, you might consider removing the one-eyed Jew, television, from your home. It can be harmful to children, particularly white children.
My brother never quite removed it from his home, but he doesn't have cable, just the basics. He was quite strick about his children watching it. When they were pre-school and I visited, they always handed me a book so I could read to them We enjoyed that much better than television.
-Z-
2003-08-20 13:09 | User Profile
Triskelion,
After much thought, the best I can do is put you in contact with Chuck Harder, who operates a Radio talk show called "For the People." His ideas are very similar to yours. Maybe you could be a guest on his show.
[url=http://www.chuckharder.com/]http://www.chuckharder.com/[/url]
Best Regards,
-Z-
2003-08-23 01:46 | User Profile
**As for Europe: the flight option is not available. Ordinary people understand this intuitively and the vast majority are socially quite immobile anyway compared to Americans. For this reason, I am more optimistic about the prospects for political change in Europe, and suggest that is where efforts should be focused. **
In some ways, the mobility of Americans is not entirely a negative. Charles A. Kupchan explains in this in his book [url=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375412158/ref=ase_jonradel/002-2501088-2036059?v=glance&s=books]"The End of the American Era: US foreign policy and geopolitics of the 21st century"[/url]. He talks about how both the mobility and the digitial era will probally bring about more of a ethnic/racial concsiousness than ever before. Although explaining from somewhat of a semi-Liberal/paleo-conservative point of view(he supports the EU but believes globalization will only bring about more nationalist rivalries, and America's days as number 1 are numbered) his views have some merit.
As he explains
** "The digital era is also altering patterns of labor mobility in ways that may slow, if not reverse, the social and ethnic intermixing promoted by the industrial era. Nonindustrial firms and their employees have much more flexibility in choosing where they locate. Proximity to rivers, railways, and raw materials is much less important. "The more technology frees us from the tyranny of place," Kotkin writes, the more quality of life, weather, values, and cultural affinity figure in determining where workers work."**
later on
** "Chicago, New York, and San Fransico seem to be exceptions, enjoying more resilient economies and less urban flight. But even these commercial cities are losing some of their previous social and ethnic heterogeneity. In San Francisco and New York, housing prices are making many parts of the city accessible only to high-income-residents, most of whom are white. Middle Class blacks are also congregating in their own communities. Bowie, Maryland, for example has become a magnet for professional blacks working in the Balitimore-Washington metropolitan area.
The digital era thus appears to be coming at the expense of the industrial melting pot that helped forge the modern American nation state. After decades of progress facilitated by the civil rights movement, America maybe heading back toward greater racial and social segregation."**
So if Kupchan is right, then recent social trends continue, it will sooner or later dictate a more racially/ethnically bound forms of loyalty and nationalism in our population.
2003-08-23 21:22 | User Profile
A sneak preview, shall we say, of the next decade's blockbuster release. You folks, hopefully, shall join me and form the vanguard, the advance movement and welcoming committee for Hindus coming in. You shall follow my wisdom and leadership.
We already have a sneak preview - it's called Calcutta.
2003-08-24 17:22 | User Profile
As long as it's not a stink preview :lol:
2003-08-26 17:59 | User Profile
1) White living space.
2) Creating awareness, then taking physical action to get the the job done.
3) Because of Hitler, Jewish media control in America and a lack of White will.
4) No.
5) Drop the swastikas, talk straight to the people. Message: multiracialism doesn't work. Whites need their own space. This is not radical. It is not immoral. We must have it, and soon.
6) Write for VNN, get out and meet activists. To be more effective I need $10,000,000 to insure against job loss and set up my Washington, D.C. lobbying organization, complete with K-street office and fax machines a' whirrin.
7) We don't until we get 1).
8) By appealing to our noble instincts.
9) Very little.
10) Set up trust funds for a White nationalist purpose and encourage people to donate.
2003-08-26 23:12 | User Profile
[/QUOTE]6) What have you (generic) done to advance the struggle? What needs to happen to make your efforts more effective?[QUOTE]
Spent hundreds of hours educating myself about the Jews, with particular emphasis on strategy-theirs and ours. Also training myself on debating skills and using it on several forums. Planting seeds of thought amongst my aquaintances to grow receptivenes towards conspiracy theory. Formulating ideas on how to most effectively approach the Jewish problem. Covertly passing out fliers I printed myself. Constantly seeking and taking advantage of opportunities to enlighten someone, developing tactics to accomplish this.
[QUOTE]10) What can we (generic) do to fund projects that advance our struggle?[/QUOTE] I've asked myself the question "if I make lots of money who should I donate to?". The Nationalist organisations we currently have hardly seem like a good investment in our future. There are miscellaneous websites like this one that deserve some funding. Many of them don't provide information on how to make a contribution, espescially a confidential one. I believe many wealthy Whites are afraid to make a contribution and have their businesses targeted by the "agentur".
2003-08-27 02:39 | User Profile
1) What do you (generic) want in societal terms and why? In other words, lets get serious about ideology rather then mere critique. A SOCIAL-POLITICAL ORDER THAT ALLOWS FOR VARIOUS FORMS OF WHITE SEPARATISM AND FLOURISHING, AND ALSO ALLOWS FOR SEPARATION BY GERMANIC AND CELTIC PEOPLES FROM OTHER WHITES (WHEN DESIRED).
2) What do you (generic) have to offer your lansmen in terms of solution to the problems facing them and their children? In other words what public policies flow from your ideology? SLOWLY REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE GOVERNMENT, ENFORCING STRONG IMMIGRATION CONTROLS THAT DO NOT CHANGE THE RACIAL COMPOSITION OF WESTERN NATIONS SO LONG AS THERE IS PUBLIC PROPERTY AND SERVICES.
3) Why have American racialism and paleo-conservatism been dramatic failures for decades? WE WERE CAUGHT IN A DREAM WHERE WHITES WERE STILL ONE THIRD OF THE GLOBAL POPULATION, & WHERE HUMAN NATURE COULD BE REFORMED. ALSO, THE HORRORS OF THE NAZI'S GAVE JUDEO-CRITICAL SOME VERY NEGATIVE ASSOCIATED (E.G., THE BLIZT, THE HOLOCAUST, ALLOWING THE RUSSIANS TO CAPTURE EASTERN GERMANY, ETC.).
4) Is it reasonable to expect that a continuation of the same approaches used for the last two generations will produce worth while results before too few of your kind are left to make a difference? I AM NOT SURE WHAT APPROACHES ARE HAD IN MIND HERE, BUT YES THINGS ARE CHANGING IN TERMS OF PEOPLE'S ANXIETY, SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT MANY RESULTS WHICH FAILED IN THE PAST WILL NOW WORK TO PRODUCE THE NEEDED RESULTS. IN THE MAIN, HOWEVER, IT IS KEY TO DO AWAY WITH WHITE SUPREMACIST IDEOLOGIES OF THE PAST IN ORDER TO MAKE WAY FOR IDEOLOGIES THAT DEMAND A LIVING SPACE FOR WHITE, WHETHER WE ARE SUPREME OR NOT.
5) What needs to change to make racialism a viable alternative to some significant portion of Occidental Americans? IT NEES TO SOUND EVER MORE REASONABLE, CANNOT ADVOCATE MASS VIOLENCE, BUT MUST INSTEAD BE CHRISTIAN-CENTERED.
6) What have you (generic) done to advance the struggle? What needs to happen to make your efforts more effective? I AM UNWILLING TO DISCUSS MY OWN PERSONAL ACTIVIES.
7) How do we (generic) insulate ourselves from economic blackmail by the establishment? WE CAN'T, BUT 'THE ESTABLISHMENT' IS TOO FRACTURED TO MOUNT AN EFFECTIVE ATTACK ON WELL-ORGANIZED WHITE NATIONALIST MOVEMENTS.
8) How have racial aliens and our ideological enemies managed support their own communities outside of siphoning off tax monies? BY CONTROLLING THE MEDIA IN ORDER TO DENIGRATE WHITE, NORDIC MALES, AND SUPPORT THE INTERBREEDING OF WHITE, NORDIC FEMALES WITH NON-WHITES, JEWS, SCICILLIANS, ETC.
9) What are we (generic) doing to create our own institutions? WE ARE, ABOVE ALL, USING THE INTERNET, AND ALSO SUPPORTING ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS AMERICAN RENNAISSANCE AND VDARE.
10) What can we (generic) do to fund projects that advance our struggle? SEND AR, VDARE, AND JEWISH TRIBAL REVIEW LARGE SUMS OF MONEY.
2003-08-27 19:04 | User Profile
I don't have much hope for the future of America, or the western world. In that regard, I take care of myself and my family, without much concern for the rising waters around me.
I try not to support the government or be dependant on government services. My wife doesn't work because the vast majority of her income would be burned up by taxes, job related expenses, and in less ability to contribute in the home (e.g. more meals out). And, we prefer having children over having two incomes, and we prefer raising our children ourselves. If you're a two-income family, you're screwing yourself.
I'm building a homestead which will allow me to live very independently. I won't need to be hooked up to any public utilities and a hobby farm will provide many of my food needs. By building it myself, not only am I saving tens of thousands of dollars in labor expenses but I'm not having to pay taxes on those tens of thousands of dollars that I'd have to pay for the labor with.
I will be free and I will live in my small community of my choosing, even if the rest of American can not enjoy such.
As for helping society as a whole, OD is great. But, the Internet desert needs more such oasis to offer the otherwise censored truth. The White majority who are concerned with racial oppression of whites need to learn that they're not alone. If they know their thoughts are normal, they are more likely to speak up.
If you want to crusade for the cause, keep your focus. If an environmentalist comes to your door, don't shoot yourself by objecting to her environmentalism, tell her that you're concerned with the damage of massive immigration on the environment (right, Jay). Let the neocons worry about environmentalists.
One of the most practical things you can do is support School Choice, even vouchers. Don't worry about the small handful of children already in private schools, worry about the masses in public schools who are under the full control of government indoctrination. If you want to change the direction of this country, you must change the educational system. PERIOD. If not vouchers, then what other realistic option?
2003-08-27 20:03 | User Profile
I'm not against survivalism. But why do conscious Whites always want to run to the hills with water purification tablets and beef jerky? Not all, but many. Why not fight back and reclaim the institutions? Or is this not possible? We need a cleansing fire before we can start again, is that it? Oh, bother. Can't we all just watch TV and pretend everything is OK? All this stuff gets me down. Trouble is, I can't look away from it. See Gayley quote below.
2003-08-27 20:21 | User Profile
I don't think most environmentalists are worthy of our support. Typically, environmentalism is not about protecting valuable natural resources, but rather about increasing the power of the state and attacking the Western ability to produce. The only results will be a further hampering of the white birth rate, increased job loses to the 3rd world, and a general loss of Western power vis-a-vis the (polluting) 3rd world.
2003-08-28 04:37 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Hugh Lincoln@Aug 27 2003, 20:03 * ** I'm not against survivalism. **
Not "survivalism." No animals. No tall fenses. No huge supply of dehydrated food. No isolation. No warning signs. When it's finished, it will look like a normal brick and stone contemporary house, at the edge of the suburbs. There will be an automatic sprinkler system watering a well-maintained front lawn.
Independence will come from such things as out-of-sight solar panals and a geothermal heatpump. And, there's nothing weird looking about a family garden.
I'll be able to retire when I'm 40. No utility bills. The mortgage should be paid off by then. Low grocery bills. Lots of home cooked meals. Lots of leisure time. Lots of time with the family.
Most white Americans will pay the government hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes (even if they work hard to get tax deductions) and they'll work more hours per year than the people of any other country. Talk about foolishness.
2003-08-28 18:48 | User Profile
Thirded!
2003-08-29 17:56 | User Profile
*Originally posted by triskelion@Aug 18 2003, 17:51 * ** 1) What do you (generic) want in societal terms and why? In other words, lets get serious about ideology rather then mere critique. **
I want an overwhelmingly European, Christian and English-speaking America.
I want Americans to feel powerfully that the core of their national identity is intimately bound up with the traditions of Britain, and to lesser degrees that of France and other European countries.
I want Americans to wake up to the fact that they cannot dilute their bloodlines with lesser breeds and bastardize their culture with jungle trash and hope to survive, much less to maintain their greatness.
Walter
2003-08-29 18:01 | User Profile
Originally posted by Happy Hacker+Aug 28 2003, 04:37 -->
QUOTE* (Happy Hacker @ Aug 28 2003, 04:37 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Hugh Lincoln@Aug 27 2003, 20:03 * ** I'm not against survivalism. ** Not "survivalism." No animals. No tall fenses. No huge supply of dehydrated food. No isolation. No warning signs. When it's finished, it will look like a normal brick and stone contemporary house, at the edge of the suburbs. There will be an automatic sprinkler system watering a well-maintained front lawn.
Independence will come from such things as out-of-sight solar panals and a geothermal heatpump. And, there's nothing weird looking about a family garden.
I'll be able to retire when I'm 40. No utility bills. The mortgage should be paid off by then. Low grocery bills. Lots of home cooked meals. Lots of leisure time. Lots of time with the family.
Most white Americans will pay the government hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes (even if they work hard to get tax deductions) and they'll work more hours per year than the people of any other country. Talk about foolishness. **
My wife and I are talking about chucking my insane professional life and retreating to our mountain hideout. We have a nice farm house there, a big garden area, and reliable neighbors who all seem to own shotguns.
We own a couple of condos in a big city, and we could easily live on the money we would earn from leasing them out, especially considering how drastically our expenses would decrease.
Of course, if the economy totally crashes, then that sourcewould dry up. I also have children fast approaching college age.
It's a nice thought, though. It's nice to know that it's an option, even though I likely won't do it for a couple years at least.
Walter
Hugh Lincoln
2003-08-29 18:13 | User Profile
I want Americans to feel powerfully that the core of their national identity is intimately bound up with the traditions of Britain, and to lesser degrees that of France and other European countries.
Walter, I'm glad to see you have your priorities straight.
iwannabeanarchy
2003-08-29 23:33 | User Profile
Question #1 was meant to be about goals, not means. Thus a 'bloodless' repatriation of Jews is not to be listed under it.
As far as this means go: it is confused not merely in terms of the questions posed, but more basically. It confuses dislike of the Jews with dislike of real, verifiable negative effects springing from their actions, and so confuses the goal of dealing with the Jews in some complete way with goal of getting rid of these negative effects in some complete way.
Wintermute is implying that that the negative effects of the actions of internation Jewry cannot be sufficiently reduced unless complete separation occurs. He thus favors the unconscionable path of stripping long-standing citizens of Western nations of their citizenship, on the grouds that they are member of an ethnic group many of whom's members engage in legal political and economic activity that most whites might deem harmful to them.
Complete separation is not at all necessary. This is neo-Nazi stuff, really. If most white gentiles all publically agree that Jewish influence in Hollywood and Washington had gotten out of hand, that would curb most of this influence right there. The Jews would be so frightened that they would quickly cede important media and political posts to white Gentiles, and insofar as they did not to this, fully legal, non-violent steps could be taken to get them out of political position and to set up or modify media companies to made un-desirable Jewish influence over them moot.
Moreover, when it comes to prenting judeo-critical ideas to a wider public, it is important not to mention these repatriation ideas, whatever one thinks of their efficacy. Perhaps we can all at least agree on that?
mwdallas
2003-08-30 02:53 | User Profile
He thus favors the unconscionable path of stripping long-standing citizens of Western nations of their citizenship, on the grouds that they are member of an ethnic group many of whom's members engage in legal political and economic activity that most whites might deem harmful to them.
You misunderstand. The group engages in harmful activity. Every person that is a member of the group must be excised from our society. The notion that revocation of citizenship is "unconscionable" is based in your egomorphic assumption that others are like you and, collectively, like us. But Jews are not individuals as that term is understood in Western political philosophy; instead, Jews are mere components of an individual whose aggression against us certainly justifies the very mild sanction of revocation of citizenship.
Bardamu
2003-08-30 03:42 | User Profile
Sorry folks, Israel has nukes and the idea behind them aint just towel-heads: *Red rum RED RUM red rum RED RUM *
I wonder at times what is to stop a false flag operation against them? Must occupy plenty of their thoughts too.
iwannabeanarchy
2003-08-30 04:30 | User Profile
Originally posted by mwdallas@Aug 29 2003, 20:53 * ** > He thus favors the unconscionable path of stripping long-standing citizens of Western nations of their citizenship, on the grouds that they are member of an ethnic group many of whom's members engage in legal political and economic activity that most whites might deem harmful to them.*
You misunderstand. The group engages in harmful activity. Every person that is a member of the group must be excised from our society. The notion that revocation of citizenship is "unconscionable" is based in your egocentric assumption that others are like you and, collectively, like us. But Jews are not individuals as that term is understood in Western political philosophy; instead, Jews are mere components of an individual whose aggression against us certainly justifies the very mild sanction of revocation of citizenship. **
I don't find this to be at all a credible account of the group-nature of Jews. If you were right on this point, then you might be right about the justness of repatriating the Jews, assuming they would still be such a threat if white were publically united to end improper Jewish influence of society (and I think they most certainly would not be).
(However, BTW, you would still be wrong about me. 'Egocentric' refers to someone is self-centered and has little regard for the needs of others. I might be caught up in goy-blinders, but not because I have too little love for Jews.)
Jews, as individuals, enage in group-centered behavior. So do whites. Perhaps the Jews are better at this, but I see no solid evidence that the difference is more than a matter of degree. Jews have high-evoled chains of commuication and control in the area of pursuing group interests. Whites, choosing not to make themselves dependent on other groups, have been able to conduct group c-operation through less developed hidden mechanisms, because in the past so much of our discussion of how to achieve group interests could occur out in the open, and the mechanisms to enfore group-decision could be quite public (and generally involving the state, or the blessing of the state).
None of this, though, is evidence that Jews are not individuals who do not inherit guilt from their ancestors, or from other present members of their race in a way that is qualitatively different from any ways in which whites might inherit such guilt.
In any case, I think that the real question is, is it strictly necessary to repatriate Jews, or members of any other race/ethnic group, in order to secure white's rights and means to cultural flourishing? Again, I do not see why this is so. In any case, we are so far from 'repatriating' anyone that it is best to try out less radical measures before considering such behavior. (Israel is of course a different story--there, 'repatriation' is definetly on the book, as regards Muslims and Arabs).
In the past, strict segregation might have made more sense, as there was more to preserve in the way of culturally unified white political communities. Today, we have set up societies that are more adaptable to the presence of non-whites, at least at the state and national level. A lot has been lost in doing this, but there is no going back on this particular point. We should be satisfied to preserve the means for white cultural separatism at the level of neighborhood, media, school, church, business & corporation, and local communities. Here we can go back, in some ways, why also creating something entirely new (and, through real attention to genetic issues and the cultural particularity embedded in various white races, maybe even something better).
mwdallas
2003-08-30 04:55 | User Profile
Excuse me -- that should have been "egomorphic", not "egocentric".
mwdallas
2003-08-30 05:38 | User Profile
Jews, as individuals, enage in group-centered behavior. So do whites. Perhaps the Jews are better at this, but I see no solid evidence that the difference is more than a matter of degree.
It is just a matter of degree. But this does nothing to support your claims. The degree of group coordination and identification puts Jews on the other side of the line that divides discrete human individuals from human components of a higher-level individual for purposes of application of Western individualistic political ideals.
**None of this, though, is evidence that Jews are not individuals who do not inherit guilt from their ancestors, or from other present members of their race in a way that is qualitatively different from any ways in which whites might inherit such guilt. **
There is much wrong with this. First, I did not purport to present any evidence of the fact that the Jewish community essentially constitutes an indivisible unit. For this I would refer you to MacDonald's trilogy. Second, why should I need to demonstrate that Jews inherit guilt from their ancestors or present members of their race in ways that are qualitatively different from the ways in which whites might inherit such guilt?
On the one hand, your comment suggests a reference to a universalist morality. We must be fair to Jews.
No. That is classic maladaptive altruism.
On the other hand, even within the framework of the universalist morality you cling to, your question exhibits a gross misunderstanding of the nature of morality. All of us do inherit guilt from our ancestors and present members of our race. At least that's how the Jewish community views it. And morality is a matter of reciprocity. If the Jewish community ascribes guilt in this way, it is perfectly fair and moral for us to do the same.
In any case, I think that the real question is, is it strictly necessary to repatriate Jews...
Yes.
...or members of any other race/ethnic group...
No.
**...in order to secure white's [sic] rights and means to cultural flourishing? Again, I do not see why this is so. In any case, we are so far from 'repatriating' anyone that it is best to try out less radical measures before considering such behavior. **
We are no more in a position to implement "less radical" measures than we are in a position to implement "more radical" measures.
Walter Yannis
2003-08-30 06:03 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Aug 29 2003, 22:18 * ** > I want Americans to wake up to the fact that they cannot dilute their bloodlines with lesser breeds and bastardize their culture with jungle trash and hope to survive, much less to maintain their greatness.*
I agree with all of this, but without Europe and Russia, we will not survive.
The Germans tried this 'let's go it alone' business in the 40s, with regrettable results.
I want a 'velvet revolution' against Jewish hegemony in all white nations, with a humane repatriation movement and widescale understanding of the importance of race in the perpetuation of culture. For the Jews, they will either have to live under 'political quarantine', or go to Madagascar. No unnecessary violence.
As the Jews all carry the mark of Cain, I'm pretty sure that violence won't work against them anyway. Plus whites need to stop being so relentlessly materialistic about everything. Thinking is also a necessity.
Wintermute **
I agree with that.
I didn't mean to imply that we deny Europe or Russia. Clearly separation from Russia and indeed the entire Orthodox East has prevented our civilization from "breathing with both lungs"as JPII put it. Just as clearly, America and Europe need each other. We just need to be clear about who we are in the greater White Mosaic. We can help other whites only when we're strong, and we're strong only when we're real clear about who we are and what we're about.
Walter
iwannabeanarchy
2003-08-30 15:51 | User Profile
I am a Christian, hence a believer in universal morality. As to why it is important to deny inheritance of guilt, or the like--otherwise one might argue that it is not unjust to strip a Jew of citizenship merely on the grounds that he is a Jew. But evidence must indeed be presented to make this case.
We are closer to less radical solutions, such as an anti-statist, populist movement very much focused on the way the state is used to promote racialist ideologies (anti-white ones), than we are to a solution such as 'repatriation.'
Walter Yannis
2003-08-31 08:54 | User Profile
*Originally posted by mwdallas@Aug 30 2003, 05:38 * ** On the other hand, even within the framework of the universalist morality you cling to, your question exhibits a gross misunderstanding of the nature of morality. All of us do inherit guilt from our ancestors and present members of our race. At least that's how the Jewish community views it. And morality is a matter of reciprocity. If the Jewish community ascribes guilt in this way, it is perfectly fair and moral for us to do the same. **
I agree that iwannabeanarchy misunderstands morality.
But perhaps more centrally, he misunderstands the nature of man. Men are not just individuals. The notion that, as Margaret Thatcher put it, society does not exist is terrible error.
Human groups are ORGANISMS, and not just collections of individuals. We are like unto ant hives: individual ants exist, but there is also no doubt that the hive has a life of its own. When viewed from a thirty thousand foot perspective, hives behave like single organisms, like human societies. The [url=http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/04/rauch.htm]Atlantic Monthly [/url] has a great article (referenced on the [url=http://Yggdrasil]home.ddc.net/ygg[/url] page) that demonstrates clearly that human society is real.
It makes sense from an evolutionary perspective. Remember that the human group, or tribe, is the evolutionary unit of selection, and NOT the individual. Like ants, human individuals are pre-programmed in the hardwiring of our brains to act in certain ways toward our groups of relatives.
Whatever moral theory we develop must of necessity be aimed at facilitating group survival and thriving. The Ten Commandments are to my mind the most conscise expression of the Natural Moral Code, although clearly nearly every great tribe came to the same general conclusions.
Now, the thing about the Jews is that they are, collectively, a human organism. Kevin McDonald has shown how the diaspora strategy of this most enduring of human hives is to take over key pressure points of host societies and to turn these societies to their service. This is analogous to certain parasitic ant species, who have developed ways to break the chemical recognition codes of other ant species, and to take over their leadership and to in effect enslave them to facilitate their own reproduction. I'm convinced that this is the reality that we face. Jews have taken over our communication means, and have used them to convince our fellows that they are properly the leaders of our tribe/organism.
Viewed from this thirty thousand foot perspective, anti-Semitism is a GROUP reaction on the part of the victimized host organism against a parasite.
By definition, these group phenomena do not manifest themselves on the level of individual interactions, at least not usually. I am on very friendly terms with a number of Jews. Mrs. Yannis - who is a raging anti-Semite in her own way - calls them her "own, personal Jews." We both just think the world of them.But we must be clear in our own minds about the problem. The problem is not that individual Jews are all bad. They're not, and so a moral response must take into account both the group threat and the individual interests of all concerned.
Actually - and this is a key point - the great Zionists of the past and present (Sharon) believe this. They concluded that the only way to avoid a repeat of the anti-Semitic waves of feeling that resulted in horrible suffering and death for Jews is to QUIT BEHAVING LIKE PARASITES and to have their own country where they'll plough their own fields and collect their own garbage. It's a noble vision, really. And I for one wish them every success in the drive to have ALL JEWS MOVE TO ISRAEL.
As an aside, the notion that Madagascar is the preferred destination is just air. Israel has nukes, and they ain't goin' nowhere. The best bet is to let the Israelis move the Palistinians out of a chunk of territory (ethnically cleanse Israel) and then in exchange for world acceptance of that have all Jews move there.
Again, I can't stress too strongly that this is a GROUP PHENOMENON. I don't hate Jews. I really don't feel myself to be an anti-Semite. Heck, I like Jews on a personal level. It's just that I'm a gentile who happens to agree with the Zionists, and for that I am branded a hater.
End of rant!
Walter
travis
2003-09-01 16:33 | User Profile
Walter, There is no link whatsoever between gentile support of Zionism and Jews relinquishing their grip on us. If we could go back and read the minds of all the Whites who supported the creation of Israel I'm sure we would find that they all had the false hope of Jews leaving us the hell alone when they aquired their own country. Giving them land won't make them stop behaving like parasites.
It's not lack of space that makes them our problem, it's the Talmudic culture of parasitism and dominance. The only event that would make peaceful coexistence with Jews possible is their rejection of the Talmudic culture/religion.
iwannabeanarchy
2003-09-01 16:57 | User Profile
Support/criticism of Zionism and support/criticism of Jewish control of Western media and other institutions--these are wholly separate issues. They only come together insofar as one is criticizing support of Zionism that is offered as a product of Jewish influence. But whether Jews have much influence or not has, in itself, no relevance to the question of whether Israel has a right to exist, whether it would be wise to support Israeli policies, etc.
I am not sure if support for Israel by gentiles as not in fact moderated the stance of organizations such as JCPA. It is a bit hard to tell. But it is possible that one might more explicitly indicate to American Jews that support for Israel will be made conditional on their support for dismantling the welfare state and broad-based restrictions on 3rd world immigration (and not merely from Muslim countries). Again, it is rather difficult to tell what the effects of such an overture might be in a given context.
il ragno
2003-09-05 06:23 | User Profile
Several of the more specific personal questions cannot be answered honestly lest the respondent invite government scrutiny and, quite possibly, prosecution. "What do you want" is one thing....that's a question that is regularly asked of beauty pagaent contestants.
"What have/are you done/doing" is the one you had better not answer on a public forum if the answer is anything besides "told my friends my opinions" or "started a website".
Personal affluence goes a long way, also, in determining how gussied up such a completed questionnaire will look. Someone on the lower end of the economic ladder has fewer options. On the other hand, the less one has to lose, the higher the probability one will have the required boldness to strike the sorts of blows that can leave an actual mark. At the end of the day, Timothy McVeigh trumps Marc Moran. VNN, due to its foaming-at-mouth rheytoric, trumps OD. Civil service positions are now private duchies reserved mostly for blacks because they riot and are prone to violence and everyone is only too aware of this, regardless of their reticence to speak this truth aloud....not because they tinker with solar-paneled homes, or own little mountain hideaways far from the smoke of our burning cities should the Apocalypse arrive ahead of schedule. (And the seemingly-overnight change in the racial makeup of American civil service - accomplished through the implied threat of civil unrest and violence - has had a far more immediate and lasting impact on American life than 'I'm growing my own organic vegetables'.)
No offense, of course, (hell - I wish I had such options!) but the question wasn't what are you doing to ensure your isolation/personal survival from the devolving society around you? These things, however far-sighted and practical, do not advance a racial agenda, they merely forestall your own discomfort and demise a while longer.
I'm interested in seeing this questionnaire answered by our European membership. Particularly as the gotterdammerung facing America will inevitably encompass the remainder of the Western World in short order.
And add another question, #11: what palpable difference has what you've done made in turning the society around you away from the path of racial suicide?
Hugh Lincoln
2003-09-07 23:45 | User Profile
Well, Hell. Talking to your friends and starting websites is something, not nothing. And it does have an effect. "Palpable" remains to be seen. From changing minds come changing actions.
I am a Christian, hence a believer in universal morality.
Mr. Anarchy, universal morality and racial survival are incompatable. Ever heard the phrase, 'promiscuous altrusim'? We Whites are whoring like there's no tomorrow, and it needs to stop.
il ragno
2003-09-08 00:33 | User Profile
Hugh, the moment I'd posted that I knew I'd failed to nail my point. sht, even I *got pissed off at me reading that. I fell down on that one without a doubt, so let me take another whack at the pinata.
Absolutely - word of mouth, websites, and having a viable Plan B to ensure your family's safety and, yes, even comfort (for what sort of dogmatic robot doesn't want his family to have everything they want or need?) are honorable approaches that yield real results. I suppose that, even when we type out those cries from the white wilderness on a board like OD, it's like skimming a stone across the surface of an entire ocean: from where we stand, the stone caroms off a few waves until it dwindles out of sight into insignificance, but for all we know that stone may be skimming far past our long range vision, stirring ripples out there we'll never realize are taking place.
However, history underscoring the truism that fortune favors the bold, if you're out there seizing a more drastic initiative (attention ADL monitors: This Is Not An Endorsement Of Violence Or Criminal Endeavor), I sincerely hope you'll avoid pulling a Moran and keep your mouth shut about it on public forum-questionnaires at paleo/racialist websites.
The reason I added question 11 is I sensed this entire questionnaire was at least partially yet another tweak at Us Lazy Stupid Americans by Trisk. Whom I like a lot, by the way. But he does like to shake an admonishing finger now and then, like many of the Europeans on this board. (By the way, the results are in: it looks like they're going to hold George W Bush against us, fellas. Boy, you cede some people the moral high ground and they fandango on your skull night and day.)
And so, the point I was (clumsily!) trying to make is: having a spiffier nationalist resume is one thing - a good thing. But the sorts of blows against the Empire that draw blood are not the sort of things one puts on that resume - at least, not until the tide has turned back in our favor. So question 11 was a fail-safe to remind our European brethren not to use this 'questionnaire' to launch into another needlepoint sewing circle about how backward and ineffective the American 'unit' is compared to the one on the continent. If your country, despite your perfect attendance record at nationalist functions, is getting browner by the day and deeper into ZOG's clutches, then you - like we - need to do better.
Like I said, I was gonna write that. But then the Pole/German border skirmishes began at OD - which sort of made my point for me.
Hugh Lincoln
2003-09-08 02:01 | User Profile
Didn't mean to trigger soul-searching on a Sunday night, IR, but your comments are, as always, well taken.
But the sorts of blows against the Empire that draw blood are not the sort of things one puts on that resume - at least, not until the tide has turned back in our favor.
It's funny. I actually have two resumes --- my ZOG resume and my nationalist resume. The latter is in my head, of course. I don't plan on pulling a "Marc Moran" (God watch over this fellow) but one of these days I'd like to pull a Jared Taylor, something that's becoming known to those around me. When I look at the lineup of my ancestors, including one prominent one whose writings and exploits elicited the response from someone near me, "So, you inherited this stuff, it looks like," I know it's my duty to do something more than think about all this as I drift off to sleep.
Hilaire Belloc
2003-09-08 15:58 | User Profile
Mr. Anarchy, universal morality and racial survival are incompatable.
Depends on the definition of "universal". If universal means uniform, then yes you're right. But universal can also mean it applies to all cultures but can also be celebrated in many different ways by various cultures.
I'm sure many of you here know I'm an Eastern Catholic and talked constantly about how the Roman rite tried to "Latinized" us because they believed that a universal church must be uniform. Well we Eastern Catholics don't feel that way. We believe the universal church should respect the tradtions of all peoples, and that's what gives the universal church its true beauty.
Walter Yannis
2003-09-13 18:48 | User Profile
Mr. Anarchy, universal morality and racial survival are incompatable. Ever heard the phrase, 'promiscuous altrusim'? We Whites are whoring like there's no tomorrow, and it needs to stop.
Exactly right.
I suggest that you read "Darwin's Cathedral" that mwdallas has long been urging on us.
It proves (although the author avoids the conclusion" that "universal religion" is oxymoronic.
Walter
iwannabeanarchy
2003-09-13 20:28 | User Profile
I subscribe to the universal moral claim that, all things being equal, one ought to support one's own. I further make the universal moral claim that, all things being equal, all humans ought to support the preservance and flourishing of the white race. (I also believe this about the Japanese, and native Americans; these just happen to be groups with which I am familiar, and value.) That is to say, I think that, for example, the Chinese have a prima facie duty to take actions that lead to white flourishing; where they only have the right to shirk this duty if loyalty to their own race strictly requires it.
It is clear to me that the white race is of objective value; thus I readily make the universal moral claim that all have some duty to support us. If I understood the Chinese better, I might make this claim about them (it would depend on what the valued in their own culture), but I don't; so I don't make any such claim.
Clearly, there is no conflict between white racial survival and certain types of universal morality.
madrussian
2003-09-13 21:16 | User Profile
Universal morality, in its usual meaning, implies that you treat other races just as well as your own. To ensure your survival, however, you'll have sometime to be tough with other races, who may inundate your shores in search for better living standards.
Franco
2003-09-14 02:12 | User Profile
** Il Ragno wrote:
And add another question, #11: what palpable difference has what you've done made in turning the society around you away from the path of racial suicide? **
I will address that question.
Not to sound too simplistic, but here is the action that all Whites need to take: THEY MUST CONVINCE AS MANY WHITES AS POSSIBLE THAT THE SOLE KEY TO THE HEALTH AND SURVIVAL OF THE WEST IS.....RACE [Whites ruling the West].
And also...
THAT WITHIN THE "RACE" ISSUE, THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR -- BY FAR -- IS JEWS.
That's it. Reach as many Whites as possible with that message. Use e-lists, websites, word-of-mouth, leaflets. That is about all you can do. Everything else will fall into place if you just stick to that plan. Trust yer Uncle Franco :)
iwannabeanarchy
2003-09-15 23:19 | User Profile
Universal morality, in its usual meaning, implies that you treat other races just as well as your own. To ensure your survival, however, you'll have sometime to be tough with other races, who may inundate your shores in search for better living standards.
I am not sure about 'meaning' here. That might be the usual understanding, but how surprising is that the usual understanding is a politically correct one?
All Old Right
2003-09-26 20:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=iwannabeanarchy]I am not sure about 'meaning' here. That might be the usual understanding, but how surprising is that the usual understanding is a politically correct one?[/QUOTE] Yep. I don't understand that either. When I hear universal morality, it think of clear cut, black and white, right and wrong. Now, believing this, and believing that it be enforced globally are very different, IMO.
All Old Right
2003-09-26 21:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=triskelion]Let's talk about basics.
1) What do you (generic) want in societal terms and why? In other words, lets get serious about ideology rather then mere critique. I want to be able to live among those of my kind. White and similar in lifestyle to how Scotch-Irish live. Mostly to live free and self-sufficient, but not to the extent of self-destruction. There are times, like it or not, when we need a trusted neighbor. It used to be like that, the darks would stay in their neighborhood(happy) and the whites would stay in their areas.
2) What do you (generic) have to offer your lansmen in terms of solution to the problems facing them and their children? In other words what public policies flow from your ideology? **Segregation to the extent that if you build it or earn it, you use it. No forced charity. No redistribution of wealth. Segregation is not an affront to culture, but a preserver of that culture, particularly in public shcools. I'd stop all of the game-playing of people who don't work sending their kids to schools someone else worked hard to build. **
3) Why has American racialism and paleo-conservatism been dramatic failures for decades?I don't connect the two. At least, not consciously. I think all cultures naturally seek(and are more content with)their own, if others don't make an effort to influence them otherwise. Except, blacks tend to be completely emotion-charged as may just as easily being content killing someone as playing basketball. I think if the other factors are dealt with, the racial distinctions will automatically be maintained without much thought. I don't think about thinking like a rural Scotch-Irish, that's just who I am. As for paleocon, it is very hard to defeat the propganda of organized government. Whites are so productive and independent, that they tend to pull apart instead of together. The whitesââ¬â¢ greatest strength can turn into a great weakness.
4) Is it reasonable to expect that a continuation of the same approaches used for the last two generations will produce worth while results before too few of your kind are left to make a difference? No. Again, we face a well-financed and organized(not to mention ruthless)opposition. Without unity and some risks they we have not taken in the past, there will be no positive change. In fairness, change requires a catalyst and that takes time. 100 years is not all that much time, historically speaking...but we need to get started now, because it isn't going to get any easier.
5) What needs to change to make racialism a viable alternative to some significant portion of Occidental Americans?I don't understand what that means, and think we can get tied up in abstract terms too easily. Any change involves skill in communication. I've never believed anything is needed by the truth, and the strategy involved is to keep the opposition from twisting the truth into something it isn't
6) What have you (generic) done to advance the struggle? What needs to happen to make your efforts more effective?For one, I haven't backed down and even offered my job last year(resignation refused). I am not afraid if I know I am right. And, I make sure I have factual basis before acting. It is now time for me to join with others of like mind, but it was important for me to confirm that I was solid, before dealing with others. Frankly, I didn't know where to start. Hopefully OD will have some members in my area. It was tough for me to find OD and sites that weren't "in your face".
7) How do we (generic) insulate ourselves from economic blackmail by the establishment? I think it is impossible to disconnect yourself from all government money. I know a lot of construction workers who think they are so revolutionary. Same with the lawn and turf guys who feel like big bosses with all of their illegal alien employees swarming around. Real estate and construction is wrapped in tight to Jews and federal government. There wouldn't be all of the building if it weren't for the hell storm of "immigration"(invasion)in this country. Government road contracts, etc. The feds have tied themselves into everything. We have to undo the federal mandates on the state, and reroute funds from fed to state....then each state and locality would only I think the difference comes from what effects your work has, and if the money buys your soul. This is where I believe self-sufficiency comes in. People need to be weaned off of the government providing work. But, the reason people have to work for the feds and state, is that government regs are so restrictive, small business is stifled. Most of the problem would be helped if people just have the guts to stop voting for the neocons, even if it means a real disaster like Al Sharpton gets in. My father said it one night. There's a lot of power in being willing to die for what you believe in. And, what good is believing in anything, if that belief never transforms into any reality, just stays a fantasy, a dream? 8) How have racial aliens and our ideological enemies managed support their own communities outside of siphoning off tax monies? Their culture is one of interdependence, and less mindful of "freedoms" whites hold so dear.
9) What are we (generic) doing to create our own institutions? Not much in my area, but we wouldn't be here discussing it if there wasn't still hope. The Jews and neocons destroy anything before it can grow. As a last resort, they'll go as far as labeling you a pedophile and drug dealer and throw you in jail. That's if they can't find a reason to raid your home and kill you first. It all comes down to who has the organization and potential of force. I'm sure there are at least a million of "us" in the world. If only we can set aside differences, set a plan and execute the plan before the Jew antagonist sabotage it. And, I don't see that happening on an open forum
10) What can we (generic) do to fund projects that advance our struggle?[/QUOTE]Identity true believers like Tex and support him both by word and what you can provide $$. Doing without a few hamburgers(or whatever luxury) a month to provide some regular support. With the understanding that those well-funded organizations can give birth to other startups, and spread and effect organization. I'm sending a contribution to TD, and am starting my own account for such causes. But, at some point we have to have local and national organization to identify priorities and prevent useless duplications. And, while doing this, fight off the ADL and others who will desperately attempt to destroy any threat to it's easy ride it is enjoying. The strength comes in numbers. imagine what $60 a year coming from 10,000 people(worldwide isn't all that much)could do for 1-3 organizations. I am also looking into starting a local website to provide a local (within 100 miles of a center) support and contact. For example, I've worked my butt off to get what I have, but I have more to do.
Well, that's my shot at that.
travis
2003-09-27 01:08 | User Profile
Old right,
"I'm sure there are at least a million of "us" in the world"
I have often wondered about this. Is this an offhand guess?
Whatever it is, we need to quadruple it fast.
Do any others have estimates?
FadeTheButcher
2003-09-27 05:40 | User Profile
[I]>>>1) What do you (generic) want in societal terms and why? In other words, lets get serious about ideology rather then mere critique [/I]
Liberty is only possible amongst friends. It can be guaranteed only by the state, by authority, which rests upon a substantial homogeneity. I want a society of friends, substantially speaking, a society as homogenous and therefore as representative as possible, a white Southern nation, an authoritarian state, either a constitutional dictatorship or a constitutional monarchy, established in the American Southeast. Why is such a society preferable to the one we live in today? Such as society would preclude the possibility of domestic enemies and the struggles that ensue within substantially heterogeneous societies. The nature of the proper state is inner peace and outer struggle. Inner peace can only be maintained within the state provided that the state possesses the power to distinguish friend from foe, something totally incompatible with liberal materialistic individualism.
[I]>>>2) What do you (generic) have to offer your lansmen in terms of solution to the problems facing them and their children? In other words what public policies flow from your ideology?[/I]
The fundamental problem facing our society today can be traced back to its ultimate source, rationalism, and the liberal ideology, morality, and theory of government that follows which has existed since the 18th century that is now entering its terminal phase, the disintegration of the state into civil society and the restoration of feudalism. My solution to this state of affairs is simple - the resurrection of authoritarianism, the restoration of the [I]political state. Only a substantially authoritarian government, a government capable of distinguishing friend from foe, will be able to solve the racial, economic, cultural, and social deterioration we are facing today. What public policies follow from this ideology, from this theory of government I call decisionism? Economic protectionism for one. The essence of the political state, in which all other aspects of life are recognized to exist within a political context, is that it distinguishes friend from foe. In a decisionist state individuals are not simply individuals, they are not simply consumers for they are much more than that, some individuals are friends and some individuals are enemies and they are recognized as such, some individuals are citizens and others are not and this must[/I] determine how such individuals are to interact with one another. The theory of individual rights derived from rationalism would also be discarded. In its place would follow the recognition that acquired privileges exist derived from the political power which maintains the normal, as opposed to the exceptional situation, from which normative legal principles arise. Political power being the ability to decide, these acquired privileges would be codified in a political decision, a constitution which would establish the basic political form of the state. Acquired privileges also imply duties and responsibilities which would be an essential part of the new government, for instance, the duty of the citizen to defend the state against its enemies when called upon to do so. Representation in a decisionist state would also not take place in the form of elections, but directly, through aesthetic representation. The notion that a man could somehow ââ¬Årepresentââ¬Â another man, that legal agency and ââ¬Årepresentationââ¬Â were one in the same was entirely foreign to the Ancients. In the Ancient World and the Medieval West to ââ¬Årepresentââ¬Â something meant to make something invisible present. The idea that a man as a lawyer could represent another man only began with Hobbes in the 17th Century. Thus representation, in the conservative sense, was qualitative, it meant to embody an idea or a value, concepts like ââ¬Åmajestyââ¬Â and ââ¬Åhonorââ¬Â were [I]displayed[/I] directly through [I]action[/I], through [I]behaviour[/I]. The people were ââ¬Årepresentedââ¬Â by the very environment in which they lived. The state commissioned all sorts of massive public works which embodied and affirmed their [I]culture[/I], through which the people and the leadership were directly linked, in works of art, in architecture, public festivals and the like.
[I]>>>3) Why has American racialism and paleo-conservatism been dramatic failures for decades?[/I]
The former is more a result of the latter than anything else. Paleo-Conservatism and classical liberalism are pretty much the same idea. The basic idea of classical liberalism is the maximization of individual freedom and liberty. To accomplish this goal all sorts of neutralizations are injected into the state designed to weaken its authority - separation of church and state, separation of powers, constitutional democracy and rights et cetera. The fundamental problem with this idea, its weakness, is its tendency to ignore the social nature of man. Individuals are not simply individuals. Individuals are friends and enemies in competition over power. When you inject such neutralizations into the state, it is precluded from distinguishing friend from enemy, it is unable to see groups since we are now so used to thinking in terms of individuals. The state does not attach any importance to the fact that populations like Jews think of themselves as Jews, individuals with social identities and political goals to be accomplished at the expense of the people they array themselves against as enemies, the white racially conscious gentiles they associate with anti-Semitism. The neutralizations of liberalism give the Jews, as an enemy opposed to our power, the full protection of the state and the security guaranteed by its existence. Jews are then perfectly free to monopolize the media, to infiltrate academia and once in power exclude others, to discredit racialism with atrocity propaganda, to economically ensnare millions of whites with their lecherous usury.
[I]>>>4) Is it reasonable to expect that a continuation of the same approaches used for the last two generations will produce worth while results before too few of your kind are left to make a difference? [/I]
No. We must understand why we are in the situation we are in today in the first place and respond accordingly.
[I]>>>5) What needs to change to make racialism a viable alternative to some significant portion of Occidental Americans?[/I]
The widespread notion of moral universalism must be theoretically attacked and discredited. A comprehensive understanding and definitive solution to our problems must be arrived at as well. Much progress has been made towards this goal in recent years, I am proud to say.
[I]>>>6) What have you (generic) done to advance the struggle? What needs to happen to make your efforts more effective?[/I]
I have personally devoted an enormous amount of my time trying to understand why we are in the situation we are in today. I have also devoted an enormous amount of my time to searching for a solution to this unpleasant state of affairs. I see this as a pre-requisite to competent action. What needs to happen to make my efforts more effective? For one, I would definitely need a wider audience to which I can expose my ideas.
[I]>>>7) How do we (generic) insulate ourselves from economic blackmail by the establishment? [/I]
The only realistic way I can see of accomplishing this is Unionism to some degree.
[I]>>>8) How have racial aliens and our ideological enemies managed support their own communities outside of siphoning off tax monies? [/I]
Religious philanthropy.
[I]>>>9) What are we (generic) doing to create our own institutions?[/I]
We are not doing much at all at this point.
[I]>>>10) What can we (generic) do to fund projects that advance our struggle?[/I]
I suppose we would have to develop a Nationalist ethic that would affirm in-group philanthropy in a manner similar to Jews and Christians.