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Thread ID: 9102 | Posts: 19 | Started: 2003-08-17
2003-08-17 04:03 | User Profile
There are some stats being posted on Stormfront that seem to conflict with info posted here in discussions about Jewish demographics. Anyone care to comment?
[url=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=83072]Jewish demographics info[/url]
Charles A Lindbergh at Stormfront:
**The United States population of Jews was reported as 5,200,000 by the official Jewish census conducted in 2002.
This is quite remarkable, since it constitutes only 1.73% of America's actual population (including illegals) of 300,000,000.
People who toss off percentages like 3% as the Jewish population in the United States are way over the mark. It turns out that even 2% is over the mark.
Here's the link:
National Jewish Population Survey (NJPS, 2000-1) - United Jewish Communities [url=http://www.ujc.org/content_display.html?ArticleID=60654]http://www.ujc.org/content_display.html?Ar...ArticleID=60654[/url]
UJCââ¬â¢s National Jewish Population Survey (NJPS) shows a U.S. Jewish population of 5.2 million, slightly below the 5.5 million found in 1990. For this comparison, the NJPS employed a definition of being Jewish comparable to that of the 1990 survey.
(...) The survey is, by far, the largest and most comprehensive ever conducted of American Jews.
(...) The Jewish population is aging, compared to 1990, and is substantially older than that of the total U.S. population.
(...) Jews are having fewer children than the number required for the population to remain stable. Additionally, younger Jewish women compared to the total U.S. female population are delaying their childbearing.
Jewish women who are now approaching the end of their childbearing years, ages 40-44, have had approximately 1.8 children, which is below the replacement level of 2.1. 52% of Jewish women ages 30-34 have not had any children compared to 27% of all American women.
(...) The overwhelming majority of adult Jews were born in the U.S. (85%). The percentage of adult Jews born outside the U.S. (15%) is slightly higher than the comparable percentage of foreign-born adults in the total U.S. population (13%). Among Jews born outside the U.S., the largest group is from the former Soviet Union (44%), particularly the Ukraine (20%) and Russia (13%).
(...) To conduct this research, more than 5 million phone calls were made to 1.3 million telephone numbers in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The methodology included making up to 8 calls to complete an interview at each telephone number. Within each contacted household one adult was randomly selected. On average, approximately 1,300 dialings were made to locate and then complete an interview with each Jewish respondent. The entire sample was contacted through random digit dialing. As a result of the rigorous sampling and interviewing techniques, the data from this study are completely representative of all segments of the American Jewish population.**
2003-08-17 14:35 | User Profile
Here's a good source of All Tings Chewish; [url=http://www.haruth.com/Leichter.html]http://www.haruth.com/Leichter.html[/url]
2003-08-17 19:27 | User Profile
People who toss off percentages like 3% as the Jewish population in the United States are way over the mark. It turns out that even 2% is over the mark.
There is no reason to take the Jewish population survey at face value. Three percent continues to be the best estimate of the Jewish portion of the US population.
2003-08-18 02:13 | User Profile
"Jewish women who are now approaching the end of their childbearing years, ages 40-44, have had approximately 1.8 children, which is below the replacement level of 2.1. 52% of Jewish women ages 30-34 have not had any children compared to 27% of all American women."
Encouraging numbers, assuming the survey is accurate (which is doubtful, considering it was a phone survey).
Of course, one should question any numbers regarding jewish demographics for two reasons: one need not be religiously jewish or have a jewish mother to still be a jew in all the ways that count, and jews have historically underreported their numbers anyway.
2003-08-18 19:59 | User Profile
Originally posted by mwdallas@Aug 17 2003, 11:27 * ** > People who toss off percentages like 3% as the Jewish population in the United States are way over the mark. It turns out that even 2% is over the mark.*
There is no reason to take the Jewish population survey at face value. Three percent continues to be the best estimate of the Jewish portion of the US population. **
Considering the way jews ALWAYS play down their actual population numbers, take this crappola with the usual grain of salt. Like it's been pointed out a hundred times before, in the early part of the last century, jewish organizations ordered jews to not identify themselves as jews when asked, during census taking, etc. in order to keep the "host" population unaware, to quell anti-semitism. In other words, to keep the country unaware of the invasion. It's doubtful that practice has changed. Given their numbers at certain schools, occupations, populations in certain cities, etc. it's not inconceivable that their numbers are almost double what is claimed for them - by them. It's always THEM telling us how many of them there are, how many children they have, how intermarriage is killing them off, how they don't have enough replacement children, etc. Pure crap. How do you know when they're lying? When their lips are moving - or you're reading something they've written.
2003-08-30 02:27 | User Profile
I don't think the jews are lying about this stuff. If anything, they would want to exagerate their numbers to make their disproportionate power seem less outrageous. Certainly, jews are older and less fertile than whites and are intermarrying with the goyim at a high rate. I can confirm this simply through my life experiences.
2003-08-30 02:31 | User Profile
**I don't think the jews are lying about this stuff. **
It's not a matter of lying -- it's a matter of self-deception. Many Jews do not realize they're Jewish or, as Rabbi Heschel said, how Jewish they are.
2003-08-30 06:06 | User Profile
They lied in the early part of the 20th century when it came to their population numbers. They lie about the numbers when it comes to THE HOLOCAUST™. They exaggerate their numbers when it comes to military participation (and they are still embarrassingly small), they lie, they lie, they lie. Yes, self deception comes into play also, that's been covered at OD and of course by MacDonald.
They lie. Look at the numbers yourself, and compare them to the factors I mentioned earlier. They don't add up.
W.R.I.T.O.S., I'm not sure what kind of jews you have seen, but the types at the see at the studios, in fact, all over L.A., follow this pattern: Marry a jewess, have several jewish kids, divorce the annoying jewess, marry gentile woman, if you are high up in the studio hierarchy, make sure you marry a gentile TROPHY WIFE - and marry her after having your jewish children. The few that don't marry jewish women right off, make sure their children are raised as jews, and I'm not talking "religion".
2003-08-30 21:05 | User Profile
I think Roy Batty is 100% right, I noticed the same trends. They are definitely undercounting. Apart from making he holohoax more plausible, having a large number of 'sleeper' Jews who are stealthy and difficult to identify is very important in case things start going downhill for the Red Sea pedestrians. Jewish doctors even manouvered to impose circumcision as a comon practice in the US in order to make it extremely difficult to identify a Jew. In Europe the practice is almost unknown and the anatomical differences it engenders were often used to spot a Jew by unsimpatethic crowds. Based on anegdotal evidence, I would estimate the Jewish population of the US at 10-12 million (instead of the 6-7 usualy claimed) and the world around 25 million (instead of the usual 12-13 millions from Jewish sources).
2003-08-31 20:09 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Rudel@Aug 30 2003, 15:05 * ** Jewish doctors even manouvered to impose circumcision as a comon practice in the US in order to make it extremely difficult to identify a Jew. **
What is the story on circumcision of gentiles in the US? What era did it start in?
2003-08-31 22:08 | User Profile
From the site www.jewishtribalreview.com (ther book 'When Victims Rule', chapter 20 - [url=http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/20pocul2.htm]http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/20pocul2.htm[/url] ):
A speculative medical aside for a moment: With all these Jews going to medical school over the last few decades, what are we to make of the fact that American secular medical culture has for decades emulated Jewish religious tradition in dictatorially circumcising the vast majority of American Gentile males? This century the American circumcision rate has been as high as 85% of the male population. A Jewish author, Ronald Goldman, notes that "from a global perspective, most of the world rejects circumcision: over 80 percent of the world's males are intact (not circumcised). Most circumcised men are Muslim or Jewish. The United States is the only country in the world that circumcises most of its male infants for nonreligious reasons." [GOLDMAN, R., p. 2]
Surveys have found that a huge number of Americans are ignorant about this extremely personal subject; many aren't even aware, with certainty, what circumcision is. Because it has not often -- until recently -- been a subject of public discussion, because infants had no choice in the matter, and because the medical world has been routinely trusted to know what's best for babies, for decades a veil of ignorance has been draped across the subject. "In one study," notes Goldman, "34 percent of men incorrectly identified their own circumcision status. In another study, half of the mothers questioned did not know if the father of their child was circumcised ... My own research of 60 adult graduate students revealed that 38 percent of the women and 45 percent of the men were not sure of the difference between a circumcised male and an intact penis." [GOLDMAN, R., p. 29]
In recent years, there are increasing objections -- even from some Jews, like Goldman -- to the routine circumcision of American male infants. More and more medical practitioners are rejecting claims that a circumcised penis is more hygienic than an uncut organ, as well as that it helps to prevent sexually transmitted diseases. Most perplexing in all this is how and why circumcision has developed as a norm for behavior in America on such a wide scale, a dictate of the medical profession and not the populace at-large. Rosemary Romberg, married to a Jew, is among those who have written an entire volume criticizing the omnipresence of circumcision in American medical society. As she notes, "I have learned that none of the medical arguments for circumcision are justified." [ROMBERG, p. xxi] Yet, she observes, "If we take a stand against Jewish ritual circumcision we run the risk of being labeled anti-Semitic." [ROMBERG, p. 59]
In her investigations into the subject, Romberg once even interviewed a rabbi, asking, "There are many Jewish doctors in the United States. Do you think that their influence could have anything to do with the popularity of circumcision in the United States today?" [ROMBERG, p. 71] The rabbi of course said no, and Romberg herself later rejected the possibilities of a conscious Jewish influence on the issue as being unfounded. She ultimately decided it may be, at least in part, the result of an abstract openness to the idea of circumcision because of the Judeo-Christian link. [ROMBERG, p. 105] Others suggest its prominence rooted in a Christian-based anti-sexual morality, an American obsession with hygiene, and other postulates.
But is Romberg's question to the rabbi -- inferring that Jews would have a vested interest in mass circumcision -- one that is so easily dismissed? With the huge numbers of Jews in the medical world, their high proclivity to publish their medical opinions, and their disproportionate influence in the field, is it an unreasonable question to wonder about? Romberg notes a very important point in her initial speculations about Jewish medical influence in having American males, in large numbers, circumcised. To traditional Jewish thinking, a Jewish male must be circumcised. There is no choice in the matter. Given this fact, as Romberg says, "In other times and places [circumcision] has brought ridicule and persecution upon the Jews. In the United States today, the Jew does not stand out as different for having a circumcised penis. Have Jews been the cause, directly or indirectly, of the widespread popularity of routine infant circumcision in the U.S.? There are many Jewish doctors in the U.S." [ROMBERG, p. 104]
Always highly attuned to threats of anti-Semitism, religiously convinced that Gentiles must sooner or later rise up for no reason against them, and for centuries seeking to mold the safest niches possible within non-Jewish communities, the secular American custom of circumcision offers the Jewish (male) community the extraordinary opportunity to physically blend into American society, without having to abandon its traditional genital marker which, in European society, was the absolute test for determining who was, and who was not, Jewish. There was no hiding from the malicious anti-Semite. "The exposed penis," writes Jewish feminist Andrea Dworkin, taking it to the furthest abstraction, "reifies the vulnerability of the Jewish male." [DWORKIN, A., 2000, p. 115] For whatever reason, the fact remains that the careful -- and guarded -- Jewish process of assimilation in America is such that in this regard, on the procreative organ, it is the Gentile males who have effectively assimilated, only this century, to Jewish religious tradition.
2003-08-31 23:25 | User Profile
realpsycho,
provided that your data is correct and is indeed for students for whom English is a second language, I have hard time believing it. Chinks that can't neither speak or understand English with very high verbal scores? I've heard stories about them getting perfect TOEFL scores and then, when they show up at school, being much less impressive than their scores. The Chinese are notorious for their test (and other) fraud. The following link from ETS site, [url=ftp://ftp.ets.org/pub/gre/003.pdf]ftp://ftp.ets.org/pub/gre/003.pdf[/url], says on p.36 that the mean for verbal scores is the lowest for Asian students, except the Chinese, whose scores are ~150 higher than ones for the Japanese and Taiwanese. I guess, according to you we now have a proof that the mainland Chinese are much smarter than the Taiwanese? :lol:
2003-08-31 23:30 | User Profile
realpsycho,
thank you for not jumping to conclusions as far as to who a "holocaust denier" should be and providing links to research why it should be a loser white male. I am sure Roy Batty never realized who he really was. You did shame him. Wouldn't the world be better without the underachieving whites, whose record is so weak compared to the one of Asians?
2003-08-31 23:44 | User Profile
What is with this "Asian" thing?
When did "oriental," meaning of the East, become hateful? Do Japanese like being lumped into the same group as the Indians and Bengalis?
2003-09-01 15:34 | User Profile
A few comments here. Oriental and Asian refer to two different parts of the world. The Orient Express went to Istanbul, not Peking. The Orient is the Levant, or what's left of it.
In Levin's WHY RACE MATTERS, Pacific Islandar's score high. Levin does not lump all Asians into one group.
I visited Taiwan in 1951. Much different people than now, after the Chang invasion. In fact, many the women were flat out gorgeous, a result of Portugese, Polynesian, Chinese, and Yankee Sailor genes.
2003-09-03 03:07 | User Profile
Project the numbers - In 1946 there was 16 mill jews
In 1938 there was 5.35 mil jews in the Americas
In the USA Jews were 4 million in 1945 - all the heebs ran out of Russia and everywhere else - then you have the cross breeding [color=red]Jews in America are an easy 15 mill[/color] and 30 mill worldwide.
Jews don't want high numbers
2003-09-04 08:12 | User Profile
I grew up in a heavily jewish suburb of nyc, went to a heavily jewish university and lived in a mostly jewish neighborhood in Manhattan for a few years. In the public school system I attended, their are now more half jews than jews. Some of the mischlings identify as jews, some hate jews, some become sincere christians, some become neo-nazi skinheads. Non-orthodox jews with children are clearing out of nyc proper into the suburbs which will only increase rates of micegenation. The area I grew up in is now teaming with park slope/tribeca/upper west side transplants. Trophy wives and second marriages aren't as common here as in L.A.
2003-09-07 14:29 | User Profile
There might have been a good reason why Martin Luther titled his book: THE JEWS AND THEIR LIES (1543).
2003-09-07 15:08 | User Profile
**A speculative medical aside for a moment: With all these Jews going to medical school over the last few decades, what are we to make of the fact that American secular medical culture has for decades emulated Jewish religious tradition in dictatorially circumcising the vast majority of American Gentile males? This century the American circumcision rate has been as high as 85% of the male population. **
I was snipped shortly after birth.
It turns out that my Pop was circumscised when he was in grade school - some sort of infection.
Mom believed the Fruedian stuff that I might not identify properly as a male if my schweinshtuker differed from Pop's, which is why she had me and my brother sliced.
Ouch!
I cringe just to think of it.
Anyway, it was still all Frued's fault!!
Walter