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2003-08-13 23:55 | User Profile
From Religion News Service, available online at: [url=http://www.beliefnet.com/story/131/story_13109_1.html]http://www.beliefnet.com/story/131/story_13109_1.html[/url]
**Gibson Says He Has `Softened' Crucifixion Story in New Jesus Movie **
By Kevin Eckstrom Religion News Service
Director Mel Gibson, under heavy fire from Jewish groups for his $25 million movie on the death of Jesus, has "softened the story" and made changes to make "The Passion" more palatable to critics, according to a spokesman. Scheduled for release next year during Lent, "The Passion" has some Jewish groups nervous it will resurrect old beliefs that Jews were responsible for the death of the Christian savior.
Paul Lauer, marketing director for Gibson's Icon Productions company, said Gibson has edited the film to show more "sympathetic" Jewish characters who were not calling for Jesus to be crucified. "We believe we have softened the story compared to the way the Gospel has told it," Lauer said in an interview. He pointed to Matthew 27:25, in which the Jewish mob calls for Jesus' blood "to be on us and on our children." "That's in the Gospel," he said. "It's not in our film." In addition, Lauer said the character of Simon of Cyrene, who was forced to carry the cross for Jesus, will be clearly labeled a Jew in the film. A shouting mob will include voices opposing the execution, Lauer said. Faced with vocal Jewish opposition, Gibson is mounting a pre-emptive public relations offensive to counter his critics -- all for a film that is still being edited. After regional screenings, Gibson has lingered with his audiences to listen to their advice. In an effort to soothe concerns, Gibson is also hoping to launch "The Jewish Initiative" to recruit Jewish and Christian leaders to discuss the film's effects on Christian-Jewish relations. "We've gone out of our way to accommodate this process because we felt it was necessary and important, and to show that we care and that we're not callously sitting back saying, `Screw you, we're going to make the film we want to make,"' Lauer said.
Jewish groups, however, remain unconvinced. Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said Gibson has been unwilling to preview his film for anyone but "pre-screened audiences." "The fact that Mel Gibson says this is a work in progress is something we welcome. I don't make light of it," Foxman said. "We respect his creative rights, but we also believe that creative rights come with a certain responsibility."
Invited Christian leaders who have seen the film offer near-universal praise. The Rev. Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals, told The New York Times that Gibson was "the Michelangelo of this generation."
Lauer agreed that screenings were for "people closer to our circle of contacts," but told the Times that "there is no way on God's green earth" that critics like Foxman will be invited to previews. Foxman and others, he said, have been "dishonorable." The ADL first raised concerns in June after a group of nine Christian and Jewish scholars reviewed a draft script and concluded the film portrayed Jews as "bloodthirsty, vengeful and money-hungry."
Gibson threatened to sue after he said the draft script used by the scholars was stolen. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops arranged for the script to be returned and apologized to Gibson.
Rabbis who have screened the film say it threatens to undue decades of progress between Christians and Jews after the Vatican refuted the deicide charges in the Second Vatican Council from 1962 to 1965.
Gibson, however, belongs to a conservative Catholic group that rejects the modern papacy and Vatican II, including its overtures to non-Catholics and Jews.
Rabbi A. James Rudin, senior interreligious affairs adviser for the American Jewish Committee, emerged from a Houston screening "troubled" by what he saw as the film's suggestion that Roman authorities were powerless to stop the murderous rage of Jewish leaders. "The emphasis should be more on what killed Jesus, not who killed him," said Rudin, also a columnist for Religion News Service.
Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein, an Orthodox rabbi who has close ties to evangelical leaders as president of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, also voiced concerns.
"I don't think he's out to get the Jewish community, or attack it, or even be insensitive, frankly," said Eckstein, who was invited to a screening but could not attend because of other commitments. "But I'm not sure if he is aware enough, or sensitive enough, to the history of what has happened because of this deicide charge."
2003-08-14 00:27 | User Profile
Screw "sensitivity".
The Jews will NEVER be satisfied
2003-08-14 00:36 | User Profile
**"We believe we have softened the story compared to the way the Gospel has told it," Lauer said in an interview. **
Revelation 22 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
2003-08-14 00:52 | User Profile
What will probally be interesting is that because the Jews are jumping all over this, this may actually create more interest in the original versions of the film. It's already creating so much publicity for the film, hell I wouldn't have known about it if it weren't for the Jews complaining. :D
2003-08-14 01:27 | User Profile
[color=red][SIZE=3]Should read:
"We have softened the messages so that Jews and the 'TV JudeoChristians' don't call Mel an "anti-Semite" when the movie comes out!" :angry: [/color][/SIZE]
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2003-08-14 01:28 | User Profile
Obviously Mel did not consult with Dad before making his cuts.
This will not be the good-faith compromise that buys him an all-clear from Team Shmuel, but the first blood in the water that signals 'feeding time' to the sharks. And five hundred edits 'n' apologies from now, Mel will still - will always - be known as *"the anti-Semite Mel Gibson". *
2003-08-14 01:35 | User Profile
**This will not be the good-faith compromise that buys him an all-clear from Team Shmuel, but the first blood in the water that signals 'feeding time' to the sharks. And five hundred edits 'n' apologies from now, Mel will still - will always - be known as "the anti-Semite Mel Gibson". **
You talk as if that's some sort of insult! :D
Like I said before, all the publicity over this may encourage public interest in the original deleted scenes and such. All this publicity is probally encouraging more people to wanting to see it, I don't think Mel will probally even have to advertise the film when it comes out, the ADL has done it already and probally will do it with tv ads calling for a boycott of the film.
2003-08-14 01:51 | User Profile
Like I said before, all the publicity over this may encourage public interest in the original deleted scenes and such.
Hey, it might even get the public interested in reading the Scriptures for themselves.
Imagine that, Abe.
2003-08-14 02:07 | User Profile
Guess we'll have to wait for the extended "director's cut" on DVD...
2003-08-14 03:20 | User Profile
What else would you expect?? He's a Hollywood employee. Hollywood is dominated by the Chosen. He dared to make a film such as this at a time when the only religious themes shown are the ones the Chosen adhere to.
Only in Amerikwa. :dung:
2003-08-14 03:51 | User Profile
It could also be (okay, so I'm being Pollyanna) that Mel is TELLING them he's doing what they want, and then he will release the film HE wants anyway!
Nah, he's not that devious... HE'S not a jew!
2003-08-14 04:08 | User Profile
Nah, you're not being Pollyanna. The thought's occurred to me too.
I'll tell ya, from the day I heard this thing was for real (ie, principal photography completed, rough cut in previews) I've never believed this film will be released theatrically....not 'wide', at any rate, a la X-MEN or whatever this week's piece-of-sht must-see 'event' is. Less than 100 screens total if it goes to any *screens at all.
What Mel has in his favor (that would have killed this project via crib-death a decade ago) is a thriving pay-per-view and DVD market. DVD alone is sufficiently lucrative to make a theatrical engagement unnecessary to turn a profit, given a reasonably moderate below-the-line budget. And religion in America has proven to be a shopping-channel phenomenon anyway, so a campaign of call-and-order-THE-PASSION-today-and-get-this-beautiful-Jew-throwing-a-rock-at-our-Lord-lithograph-absolutely-FREE! could actually work. From Rev Jimmy Joe's bogus orphanage in Haiti to Last Supper collector's plates authenticated by the "Bradford Exhange", True Believers are used to worshipping with a cordless phone in one hand and a major credit card in the other. So Mel, having a built-in audience Shecky Spielberg can only dream of, could do an end-run around the major theater chains, release his final cut and turn a profit.
It all depends on how badly he wants to keep making non-religious movies at $20 mil a pop.
2003-08-14 05:21 | User Profile
Whenever someone backs down from anti-Jewish behavior, I am thinking that his life or his families lives must have been threatened; why else would they change? Perhaps the MOSSAD, the American CIA/FBI, or private Jewish terrorist groups, either domestic or foreigh, such as the JDL, threatened to kill him or his family members if he did not change his movie. In fact, I am thinking the same thing happened regarding the recent National Alliance member who was elected to city council of some small American town.
Regards,
Ares
2003-08-14 14:02 | User Profile
Thanks IR for the bit of hope...
It all depends on how badly he wants to keep making non-religious movies at $20 mil a pop. He may not (or may not care). I'm sure he's protected his money as much as he can (what with the banks being in the hands of his enemies :blink: ) and he may be fulfilling his religious convictions for his religious ideals, withOUT a care for his future employment. He may also know that if he IS able to get his movie out, and it IS the 'blockbuster' (block-HEAD-buster?) it sounds like it may be, that he WILL be protected from jew-harm, merely because EVERYONE in the white Christian world is aware of him, interested in him, and willing to give him tremendous leeway in... trespassing... against "common knowledge."
He (and his daddy) ARE making asleep people look up and look around. People generally LIKE Mel-the-actor, and most think well of his religious commitment (which was bruited about as odd beliefs for a Hollywood guy' -- and so HAS BEEN publicized), and his honor and integrity as against the usual Hollywood scum, and so they give him a HUGE 'pass' on his odd beliefs -- and that's why he is able to keep pushing this without being entirely buried... And people ARE noticing the jews leaping up and snapping at him -- and beginning to wonder...
I think (I HOPE) he's got a good plan to keep the conflict (and the movie!) going. I wouldn't be surprised, if his family IS threatened (more so than so far...), if he speaks up and makes that threats public too. On the web at least -- I expect the jew-news would NOT publish the actual story (ADL Threatens Mel's kids, film at 11 -- NOT going to be shown. Probably gonna HAPPEN, but not be shown!)
Well, as I said somewhere else here -- false hope is better than NO hope!
2003-08-14 14:08 | User Profile
Oh, and you know what I'd like to see? A side-by-side comparision of the attacks on the anti-Christian movies (pre-release) vs. the attacks on Mel, and the jews/hollywood protection of THEIR propaganda/destructive films, as against THEIR attacks on his film.
The jews castigated the Christians for objecting (esp. sight-unseen) to their attack movies, (or degenerate art a la "piss-christ"), and yet now THEY are doing the same thing. Be a useful catechism :D for the sheep, no?
2003-08-14 14:41 | User Profile
Some good points- Gibson probably knows Hollywood accounting practices well enough, and cable/DVD would surely pay back his investment.
Originally posted by il ragno@Aug 14 2003, 00:08 * And religion in America has proven to be a shopping-channel phenomenon anyway, so a campaign of call-and-order-THE-PASSION-today-and-get-this-beautiful-Jew-throwing-a-rock-at-our-Lord-lithograph-absolutely-FREE!* could actually work. From Rev Jimmy Joe's bogus orphanage in Haiti to Last Supper collector's plates authenticated by the "Bradford Exhange", True Believers are used to worshipping with a cordless phone in one hand and a major credit card in the other. **
Maybe, maybe not. I would tend to think that this stereotypical characterization of "true believers"- by implication, all Christians- as shopping-channel morons buying trinkets is more a Jewish/Hollywood/Frankfurt School product than a useful or truthful paradigm. Sure, the swindlers exist; it doesn't take much of a statistical slice of the religious (not necessarily believing) public to support them.
For that matter, you would think we'd be more troubled by a trillion dollar Jewish porno market than by a few million dollars spent on ceramic praying hands and the like.
2003-08-14 15:02 | User Profile
Some comments from a Freeper below. Looks like irreconcilable differences to me. Fine. They have Israel, let them go there, and stop their forever stalking Christians to every corner of the planet. That's the lesson that the Christians should learn here, that they and the jews just can't co-exist peacefully on the same real estate.
To: FreedomSurge
Anit Christian hatred is widespread throughout the Jewish community.
...because of 1400 years of good reasons, featuring, for example, the 1st crusade, the spanish inquisition, and the organized kidnapping of jewish children of jews forced to convert by the catholic church. The big jewish problem is they don't hate christians enough.
56 posted on 08/12/2003 3:57 PM PDT by donh (u) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies ]
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To: Paul Atreides
I believe that I speak for a majority of people when I say that modern Christians don't blame the entire Jewish people
These things come and go. Fail to amend the Gospels, and surely as rain will fall, jewish pogroms will return. The poison in the text is plain enough, as many of the quotes, and related contentions this thread has brought out demonstrates--gospel-inspired and re-enforced anti-semitism was a commonly accepted part of american and european life before the holocaust...the muting caused by the embarassment afterwards is too recent a phenomenon to give much credence to, lacking any real attempt at fundamental theological reformation--which is the present case--as demonstrated by your apparent conviction that "I believe that I speak for a majority of people when I say that modern Christians don't blame the entire Jewish...". ought to answer my concern.
106 posted on 08/12/2003 4:49 PM PDT by donh (u) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 95 | View Replies ]
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2003-08-14 15:43 | User Profile
**Maybe, maybe not. I would tend to think that this stereotypical characterization of "true believers"- by implication, all Christians- as shopping-channel morons buying trinkets is more a Jewish/Hollywood/Frankfurt School product than a useful or truthful paradigm. **
Pat Robertson & Jerry Falwell don't exist, except in the mind of a Frankfurt theorist?
Sadly, no, they're all too real, and - being more visible and more influential than whoever represents the True Dignified Faith, they've been setting the tone for some time now.
What - you wouldn't go for that litho?
2003-08-14 15:51 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Aug 14 2003, 15:43 * > *Maybe, maybe not. I would tend to think that this stereotypical characterization of "true believers"- by implication, all Christians- as shopping-channel morons buying trinkets is more a Jewish/Hollywood/Frankfurt School product than a useful or truthful paradigm. **
Pat Robertson & Jerry Falwell don't exist, except in the mind of a Frankfurt theorist?
Sadly, no, they're all too real, and - being more visible and more influential than whoever represents the True Dignified Faith, they've been setting the tone for some time now.
What - you wouldn't go for that litho?**
So why do you get all worked up all the time when I talk about the characterestics of "true infidels", by implication all unbelievers, like Alan Dershowitz, Phil Donohue, and Jerry Springer? They're certainly as real, and in fact more visible on TV (unless you're stuck on CBN), than Falwell/Robertson to most people.
2003-08-14 16:13 | User Profile
Originally posted by Okiereddust@Aug 14 2003, 10:51 * So why do you get all worked up all the time when I talk about the characterestics of "true infidels", by implication all unbelievers, like Alan Dershowitz, Phil Donohue, and Jerry Springer? They're certainly as real, and in fact more visible on TV (unless you're stuck on CBN), than Falwell/Robertson to most people.*
These were my same thoughts, Okie. I am not being contentious, but how many times have the more mainstream white nationalists here and elsewhere protested at their being lumped-in with, characterized and represented by the Hollywood nazi types?
I am willing to recognize the differences and would like the same courtesy in return. Not too much to ask, I think. The times demand that kind of mutual respect.
2003-08-14 16:22 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Aug 14 2003, 11:43 * > *Maybe, maybe not. I would tend to think that this stereotypical characterization of "true believers"- by implication, all Christians- as shopping-channel morons buying trinkets is more a Jewish/Hollywood/Frankfurt School product than a useful or truthful paradigm. **
Pat Robertson & Jerry Falwell don't exist, except in the mind of a Frankfurt theorist?
Sadly, no, they're all too real, and - being more visible and more influential than whoever represents the True Dignified Faith, they've been setting the tone for some time now.
What - you wouldn't go for that litho?**
Of course they're real, and if they weren't some smart young televitz exec would dream them up. Your statement referred to all believers, and included a sweeping reference to all religion in America as a shopping channel phenomenon. I don't think this stereotype holds up overall anymore than does the stereotype of atheists being obsessive, chain-smoking wankers.
The question is, why are they more visible and therefore seem to have- or are granted- great influence? That, to me, is the Frankfurt School angle. I don't think that an overwhelming majority of Christians in the U.S. are looking to Falwell and Robertson as their religious leadership- although there are plenty, which as you point out is a sad thing to note.
As for the Praying Hands litho, I've had my eye on it for some time now. Hopefully I won't actually get it for quite a while as it is hanging on my folks bedroom wall, same place it's been since I was a kid. I kind of like it there, and besides, it leaves a Shroud of Turin-like outline behind when it's moved.
2003-08-14 18:16 | User Profile
*Originally posted by weisbrot@Aug 14 2003, 10:22 * ** The question is, why are they more visible and therefore seem to have- or are granted- great influence? That, to me, is the Frankfurt School angle. **
Iôd go a step farther, and say: The caricature "Christians" are likely propped up by, you know who, to use them to divide, confuse, annoy and/or make seem ridiculous real Christians.
2003-08-14 19:24 | User Profile
ââ¬ÂAlso, Jewish anti-Christian activism in the early Roman Empire is absolutely vehement. I am often surprised that Christian Scripture is not more anti-semitic than it is.ââ¬Â
.....I agree with your entire post, save this final portion; Scripture is not ââ¬Åanti-semiticââ¬Â, but anti-canaanite ââ¬Ëjewââ¬â¢Ã¢â¬Â... The semites are the caucasian Israelites of Scripture; when will some of you understand that you are operating on this very detrimental ââ¬Åjewishââ¬Â lie?
ââ¬ÂAn Official Russian View*
All this confirms the statement of M. Pierre Botkine, Secretary of the Russian Legation in Washington, who, writing in the [u]Century Magazine[/u] (Feb. 1893), says:
Replying to the accusation against Russia in the matter of an alleged religious intolerance, I must first point out a great error I have repeatedly encountered here. The promulgation of the laws and regulations against [that is, enforcing] the laws is being generally ascribed in America to persecution on the part of the Orthodox Church. But the Hebrew question in Russia is neither religious nor political; it is purely an economical and administrative question. The actual meaning of the anti-Semitic measures prescribed by our government is not animosity to the religion of the Jews; neither are those measures a deliberate hunting down of the feeble by the powerful; they are an effort to relieve the Empire of the injurious struggle against those particular traits of Hebrew character that were obstructing the progress of our people along their own line of natural development. It may be said in general, that the anti-Semitic movement in Russia is a demonstration by the non-Hebrew part of the population against tendencies of Hebrews which have characterized them the world over, and to which they adhere in Russia.
The Hebrew, as we know him in Russia, is ââ¬Åthe eternal Jew.ââ¬Â Without a country of his own, and, as a rule, without any desire to become identified with the country he for the time inherits, he remains, as for hundreds of years he has been, morally unchangeable and without a faculty for adapting himself to sympathy with the people of the race which surrounds him. He is not homogeneous with us in Russia; he does not feel or desire solidarity with us. In Russia he remains a guest only ââ¬â a guest from long ago, and not an integral part of the community. When these guests without affinity became too many in Russia, when in serious localities their numbers were found injurious to the welfare and the prosperity of our own people as a whole, when they had grown into many wide-spreading ramifications of influence and power, and abused their opportunities as traders with or lenders of money to the poor ââ¬â when, in a word, they became dangerous and prejudicial to our people ââ¬â is there anything revolting or surprising in the fact that our government found it necessary to restrict their activity? We did not expel the Jews from the Empire, as is often mistakenly charged, though we did restrict their rights as to localities of domicile and as to kinds of occupations ... Is it just that those who have never had to confront such a situation should blame us for those measures?ââ¬Â*
.....This illustrates that as long ago as 1893, the ââ¬Åjewishââ¬Â devils had already implanted into the minds of the masses that they were the Hebrews, and this is a lie! It is borne out by neither Scripture, nor History, just as the tales of Roman culpability in the murder of Our Christ is not; Pilate ââ¬Åwashed his handsââ¬Â of it and said what? ââ¬ÅSee ye, (ââ¬Åjewsââ¬Â), to itââ¬Â... Certainly some here are familiar with the significance of his hand-washing; how anyone can believe the lie that they are not Christ-killers is beyond me...
ââ¬â¢gravitates towards roles, and projects, that make the reigning Hebrew hierarchy nervous.ââ¬Â
.....The reigning canaanite ââ¬Åjewishââ¬Â heirarchy, you mean...
2003-08-15 04:34 | User Profile
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Critics apologise to Mel 17/06/2003 08:12 - (SA)
Los Angeles - The US Conference of Catholic Bishops has apologised to Mel Gibson for criticising The Passion before the movie about the final hours of Christ's life is released, news reports said on Monday.
The conference had received copies of the script, which Gibson said was stolen, prompting it to label the movie anti-Catholic. But now, the bishops have apologised and said they would return the scripts to Gibson.
The Jewish Anti-Defamation League has also criticised The Passion as anti-Semitic, but Gibson, who also directed and won two Oscars for Braveheart, defended it in his first public statement on the matter.
"To be certain, neither I nor my film is anti-Semitic," he said. "The Passion is a movie meant to inspire not to offend. My intention in bringing it to the screen is to create a lasting work of art and engender serious thought among audiences of diverse faith backgrounds who have varying familiarity with this story.
This is a movie about faith, hope, love and forgiveness - something sorely needed in these turbulent times."
Gibson is directing the movie, which stars James Caviezel as Christ, in Italy. Its dialogue is to be only in Aramaic and Latin without subtitles.
2003-08-15 04:51 | User Profile
I saw Left Behind. Jewish ass-kissing by a X-tian. Of course. :angry:
2003-08-15 21:33 | User Profile
Another Jewish hate organization asks Gibson to make changes:
[url=http://www.wiesenthal.com/social/press/pr_item.cfm?ItemID=8058]http://www.wiesenthal.com/social/press/pr_...cfm?ItemID=8058[/url]
WIESENTHAL CENTER URGES MEL GIBSON TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE PASSION; Jewish Human Rights Group Receives Flurry of Phone Calls and Hate Mail Accusing Jews of Killing Jesus
Rabbi Marvin Hier, dean and founder of the Simon Wiesenthal Center said that the controversy over Mel Gibsonââ¬â¢s yet-to-be released film, The Passion, has generated an unprecedented wave of hate mail and calls to the Jewish human rights group over the Centerââ¬â¢s endorsement of changes to the film proposed by Christian and Jewish scholars.
:hit:
2003-08-15 21:35 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Franco@Aug 14 2003, 22:51 * ** I saw Left Behind. Jewish ass-kissing by a X-tian. Of course. :angry: **
Franco,
Have you read Linder's hilarious review of "Left Behind"?
**by Alex Linder
Loaded: 2/24/2003
This is a decent movie, worth seeing because it familiarizes you with the beliefs of tens of millions of Americans known to VNN readers as Rapture bunnies. We'll get to the Apocalyptic stuff in a minute. For now, let's consider the background and marketing of the film.
Based on a best-seller by a bonafide wacko named Tim LaHaye, "Left Behind" (2001) is part one of a series, the second part of which -- "Tribulation Force" -- is also out. "Left Behind" was released on video before being released nationwide, which is unprecedented. As star Kirk Cameron explains in a brief segment at the end of the taped movie, you the viewer are supposed to do your part in a grass-roots campaign aimed at securing national release for this unusual but highly important picture. As he says, Hollywood is normally not open to such fare, hating Christians and all as the jews do, as Cameron of course doesn't say.
Apparently the goal of nationwide release was achieved -- 900 screens -- not least because of substantial funding put together by hundreds of congregations. The difficulty the Christians at Cloud Ten Productions and Namesake Enterprises faced in distributing their work is directly parallel to the challenges facing White media producers. For despite its claims, Hollywood in fact does not give the people what they want: the people have to scream and shout for months on end to get the slightest bit of notice from the media jews. And when they do receive mention, it specifically points to the proselytic nature of their message, as though that differentiates it from and invalidates it compared to the pro-jew, pro-minority, pro-queer bilge pumped by Hymiewood. Here's the headline from the Washington Post's review of the picture:
Entertainment That Evangelizes: Churches Join to Promote Big-Screen Action Film
Every see a jew-produced race-mixing pic like "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?" described as entertainment that Semitizes? No. Media control means the power to define what's normal. The power to normalize and the power to stigmatize are sides of a coin.
Getting back to the movie itself, it is, as I say, a decent work. Well paced and interesting enough as a drama to stand on its own, whether or not you accept the celestial thaumaturgy. As Oscar Wilde has noted, it is important to address life from a definite standpoint, and that certainly describes the Rapture bunnies. Right or wrong, they drive off clear assumptions about the way the world works, the mainstay being the idea that the words of jews dead for thousands of years are the only guide you need to understand what's going on in your heart and outside your window.
The novel the movie is based on is itself based on Revelation, which you may recognize as the backstop in the jew-cobbled compendium known as the Bible. To summarize, bad things are in store for planet earth. The Antichrist is on the rise. He's going to rule over ten kingdoms for seven years, a period known as "The Tribulation." But that's part two. Before that Tribulation, although it depends on which sect you subsidize, comes the Rapture. This is the clothes-shucking celestial suck that draws the good Christians to heaven, while the bad Christians, atheists, pagans, etc., are left with piles of loved ones' clothes and quizzical looks. Oh yeah, and since this happened willy-nilly, all-of-a-suddenlike, big traffic pileups and clogged airports and martial law. In a typically Christian evasion of reality, all little children are hoovered, although anyone around kids knows fewer of them would disappear than adults if pureness of heart were the operative criterion.
The jew-ass-kissing kicks in right off the bat. "GNN" ace reporter Cameron, Buck Williams, is in Israel interviewing Dr. Rosenzweig, who has come up with a way to grow wheat in the desert that just could head off growing global starvation, when, all of a sudden, the sky fills with Iraqi planes bent on giving Hate Nation the Dresden treatment. Why?
"No one has more enemies who want to see us destroyed than Israel." Gee. Hard to believe the film had distribution problems with that kind of message. Same thing we hear everywhere else.
The Iraqi planes mysteriously explode in mid-air, as though blown up by invisible sky mines. "This all-out, unprecedented attempt to destroy Israel appears to be failing." Just like you can read in every other column at WorldNetDeli: God will destroy those who resist jewish oppression.
Shortly after this failed attack, the Rapture occurs. People disappear. Families are split. Mass confusion and hysteria reign. Traffic snarls. While Kirk tries to get up to New York to confer with his conspiracy-touting buddy, an adulterous airline pilot left sniffing his good wife's nightgown is forced to realize he should have heeded her words about the Good Book and then he wouldn't be in this position. Kirk, first hesitant, comes to accept the Rapture/Antichrist/10 kingdoms/Tribulation theory after finding his psst-friend murdered and being shot at himself. Turns out everything in Revelation is true. In a nutshell, the international bankers who think they're using a photogenic young Russian as a frontman, find out, as he murders them before a secret UN conclave, that he in fact is the Antichrist and has been using them. He shoots them, tells to Reborn Kirk and the ten district sales managers the story he will tell the media, and that's how it ends. Let the Tribulation begin! And let the bad old blonde-stewardess-tonsil-probing air captain amend his ways. For he and all his stray-buddies have one last seven-year chance to get right with the Lord before he comes swingin' down that ol' crystal escalator to present Jesus II: The Second Coming. Oy and double oy, say we.
The scary thing is that tens of millions take this bilge seriously. For make no mistake, I will not blanch to tell you directly and loud enough to reduce Stentor to whisper that people who take Revelation for reality are stupid, and by stupid I mean COMPLETE fcking IDIOTS. There is no debate on this. I am yelling as dogmatically as humanly possible "fck Revelation and the four horsemen it rode in on!" The only "humans" who eat this 'warm, rich-reekin'' gaghaggis are earnest, cow-brained dolts with no more imagination or perspective or sense of humor than the wooden pews they ass-press, Sondazed. Yeah, there are some smart ones like Steven Yates, Ph.D., over at Lewpus who believe such, and peep through drapes 'n' panes for the Antichrist of a morn, (hmm, is it him? No...that's the milkman. Him? No, that's the paperboy. Him? No, that's Mr. Jones, heading off to work. Well, it APPEARS to be Mr. Jones!) but all that proves is that high-IQ people can be stupid and unimaginative too. Itz not just that these cretins are ridiculous on my terms, it's that they're wrong and ridiculous on their terms. These clowns can't even get their story straight, kind of like 100 accountants struggling to interpret that other jewish cookedbook, the IRS code, and arriving at 100 different bottom lines. Yes, these Believers are too f'ing stupid to read their own Bible, which in no way says that anything like what this silly movie claims is going to happen. The web site linked makes the case that every main pillar the Rapture-bunny case rests on is highly dubious or simply false going by the Good Book itself. Ah Christ, what can you expect from Rapture bunnies? If they could read and think, they wouldn't be bunnies. Enough to make you weep, itz. As one who's felt the pang of readers taking, uh, rather obvious satire all too literally, I can't help but wonder how Jesus The Imaginary feels about his audience skewing doltward. For it is a fact undeniable that the unlettered love their Jesus. You can take my word as one who receives letters from these one-lobed mistypists, or you can note the average quality of the car on which resides the pro-Savior bumpersticker.
The movie ends with a nice evangelical touch - depicting the non-Believers as the brainwashed freaks. Walking out just before the credits, after having seen the Antichrist pump lead into the UN creditors, the district managers all repeat the Russian's cover story. Only Kirk -- saved by his spiritual awakening -- can "see" what just happened.
There's virtually nothing in this movie that would make any jew uncomfortable, save his general queasiness at putting wind in the sail of any Christian belief. The racial message is Semitically Correct as can be, with Lord-lovin' darkies on every corner. Mrs. Pilot's preacher was a negro, and so are her friends next door. The anti-Christ is a blond Russian -- the stock evil Aryan frat guy writ cosmic.
A couple stray philosophical thoughts. Prayer is an interesting phenomenon. After the Rapture, the reformed pilot's daugher says of Doubting Williams, "I just wish there was something we could do." Dad responds, "We can ask God to help him find his way." Hmm. Prayer seems to be a way of pretending to do something; a way that is painless and satisfying to the prayer, does nothing for the prayed upon. Prayer is passivity sanctified. Prayer is passivity masquerading as activity. It's a way of "helping" you that does nothing but make me feel better. Parallel to asking God to tell us what to do, then accepting only the answer that jibes with what we intended to do in the first place. Ways of kidding ourselves; games people play...
There's a very long and excessively detailed but highly interesting book published in 1977 called The Feminization of American Culture, by Ann Douglas. I'm reminded of it in relation to this movie because there's a deal of stress laid on the pilot's neglecting his home for his job. Should have listened to the little woman. Should have been there for the kid's skinned knee. That sort of thing. Douglas' book lays out the close connection between the demasculinization of the hard-core wackos who founded New England into the syrupy monorchids preaching to male-asleep or -absent congregations by the mid-1800s. Religion became the business of fruity reverends and cosseted middle-class women, while men were out in the rough and ribald world of business. And the alliance of women and faggy preachers filled the void left by the masculine abandonment of SPIRITUAL leadership within the home, resulting in the white-micery we're surrounded with today where whatever she says goes, per the tele-pulpit. Women are good at making cookies and making people feel good. They are not good at hard thinking. Their urge is always to shade things, to euphemize, to smooth over. It is their nature. Out of itz sphere, like fire out of a stone ring, it's very dangerous. The woman must be subordinated and led. Then and only then can she function properly. Then and only then can the man function properly. Maturing means awakening to the fact that the world not merely does not but cannot be rearranged to suit our velleity. Objective reality does exist, and whenever we take it into account, press our minds against it, we strengthen ourselves, just as we strengthen our muscles by pressing against weight. Things that occlude our vision and becloud our brains must be destroyed with ridicule. People who believe in Revelation are idiots unworthy of respect. I hate to use the canting leftist phrase, but it seems appropriate: Believers in Revelation diminish us, as a species. Go hop back your primeval soup, you amoebic dysentarians. I mean, think about it! We have literally tens of millions of implumous bipeds bumping us on the sidewalk because their eyes are peeled heavenward, expecting the clouds to part like the Red Sea for Descending Dude. Now, either reality exists, or it doesn't. Jewish crap is jewish crap. Wake up, people! Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it so.
Again, this is a very long book and not particularly interesting, but it makes a good number of connections important for White Nationalists to understand in grasping how we arrived in our current condition. Much of what Douglas says plays into the jew-Gottfried/Cantrell line of thinking, wherein decayed Christianity is the mainspring of the liberal insanity afflicting us today. I'd estimate, rather, that it readied the soil for the meat-eating Little Shop of Jewish Horror plants that took root after 1880. That is, the decay of Christianity into Social Gospel -- emphasis on doing good rather than being good -- being an asshole rather than less of one -- produced a generation of antimen with minds soft for jewish warping. Stern Christianity hates jews. Soft Christianity bows to them. Today there are actual Catholic porn sites where you can view home videos of the pope fellating visiting Jews like some kind of octagenarian Pam Anderson. No, you Believer dolt, I don't mean that literally. I am exaggerating to make a point, kind of like the Jew who hallucinated Revelation.
Anyway, go ahead and see this movie. It's not too long, it's kind of fun, and it'll newly impress on you the hagridden derangement of the tens of millions of jew-manipulated goblin-spotters ambulating among us like people. **
2003-08-16 01:35 | User Profile
> Sadly, no, they're all too real, and - being more visible and more influential than whoever represents the True Dignified Faith, they've been setting the tone for some time now.
What - you wouldn't go for that litho? **
*So why do you get all worked up all the time when I talk about the characterestics of "true infidels", by implication all unbelievers, like Alan Dershowitz, Phil Donohue, and Jerry Springer? They're certainly as real, and in fact more visible on TV (unless you're stuck on CBN), than Falwell/Robertson to most people. * **
Guess Okie thought 15 hours in the dark had bought him a pass on this one.
I defy you to locate one - ONE! - post by me or anyone else on this board either praising Dershowitz or attacking a Dersh-dumper. They don't exist.
What I get 'worked up over' is when you characterize me (or anyone else who doesn't second your opinions on bended knee) of being 'just like your hero, Alan Dershowitz'. Apropos of Okiereddust Logic, you generally reserve this rubber dart for especially rude comments about Jews. You love Hitler=you are Dershowitz is just one of a series of bizarre Okie analogies that lead me to wonder if Stillwater's what comes out of the tap there, or just the name of the town.