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2003-08-13 05:10 | User Profile
Time will tell if this is true. Bill White's 'scoops' re this organization have a habit of occurring in his own mind. But there's no doubting William Pierce's clubhouse is close to falling out of its tree.
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[SIZE=3]NA Headquarters Staff Quits[/SIZE] *Molz, Gliebe, Streed Fight For Bank Accounts, Assets As N/A Ceases To Exist *
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[color=purple][font=Geneva]Mill Point, WV -- The entire remaining staff of the National Alliance Headquarters has quit in disgust at the misleadership of Erich Gliebe, according to LSN sources this evening. Jeff Cotton and Hadley Scott have both moved from the property back to their home states within the past few days, and Erich Gliebe was said to have spent last night begging the last two staffers of Resistance Records to stay on board, with unknown results. This move, combined with an exchange of no tresspass and eviction notices, where the team of Streed-DeMarais-Molz has drafted notices ordering Gliebe- Strom-Pringle off of HQ property, and Gliebe has issued a notice evicting the Streeds from a home built by Fred Streed's own hands, has left the organization in chaos.
Molz yesterday filed to seize control of the group's bank accounts, and legal representatives for Streed-Molz-DeMarais are said to be planning to file notice with the State of Virginia of the removal of Gliebe from the Board. Apparently, Streed's and DeMarais' alleged resignations from the Board were not recognized by Virginia, where the NA is incorporated, and LSN today is informed that they have not legally resigned under Virginia state law.
The end result of this battle is that Gliebe, Strom, Pringle and Shaun Walker have had their paychecks terminated, while the NA HQ property has been abandoned, and Erich Gliebe has been left Chairman of an organization that, for all intensive purposes, does not, at this moment, exist, except as a collection of bank accounts and a piece of property under Kitti Molz' control.
One LSN reader today suggested the group should now be known as the N/A. [/font][/color]
2003-08-13 23:28 | User Profile
"..for all intensive purposes..."
Mr. Bill can turn a phrase, eh?
Intents, Bill. Intents and purposes.
Well, we'll see how this shakes out. Meanwhile Linder is referring to the staff as NA Rat Bastards on his blog, VNN.
Mr. Bill calls Dave Pringle a porky pig faced lech on his blog, Overthrow.
It's hard to believe these two vicious juvenile delinquents came within a red C.H. of taking over the NA - but they did.
Meanwhile, it seems that good ol' Fred Streed is handing over everything but the laundry list to White/Linder, which info promptly finds it's way to Indymedia...somehow.
Could good ol' Fred be unaware of the White/ARA link? Could good ol' Fred be unaware of what day it is? If his shoes are tied?
Co-opting good ol' Fred meant that White/Linder could either take the NA, or destroy it. They failed to take it, but can now destroy it.
I fail to see how even the ADL could have hatched a better plot.
2003-08-14 04:45 | User Profile
This is what happens when you associate with National Socialists, Skinheads, and Ku Klux Klansmen. The National Alliance was all three of these.
In fact, there is no future for the current White gene pool; the White race is genetically built to be non-White Nationalist. It's hard to fight nature. The cure for the current predicament is [url=http://www.neoeugenics.com/]http://www.neoeugenics.com/[/url]
Regards,
Ares
2003-08-14 04:55 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Ares@Aug 13 2003, 22:45 * ** This is what happens when you associate with National Socialists, Skinheads, and Ku Klux Klansmen. The National Alliance was all three of these.
In fact, there is no future for the current White gene pool; the White race is genetically built to be non-White Nationalist. It's hard to fight nature. The cure for the current predicament is [url=http://www.neoeugenics.com/]http://www.neoeugenics.com/[/url]
Regards,
Ares **
No, the cure for the current predicament is surrendering control of America to a master race of Aryan Hindus. Haven't you been listening to rban?
2003-08-14 13:53 | User Profile
The death of NA would be a blow, but not an entirely unanticipated one. If the White-haters at the SPLC were right about anything, it was that NA was basically William Pierce. Not even Gliebe ever said he was Pierce. Someone should get in there, though, and save National Vanguard: the book catalog/mail order stuff, the magazine, etc. I wonder if units would continue to meet even after the death of the "official" NA.
NA has value, but it's permanently mired in creepy marginality by the Turner Diaries, hanger-on skinheads and Hitler worship. Same goes for White Revolution -a nice idea and I commend the work, but there they go again, with a swastika flag right on their website and something called "Channel 88 TV." Huh, huh. Get it? Hey Beavis. We're like, Nazis 'n stuff. Huh huh.
The emergent White nationalist organization, political party, media conglomerate or lobbying group will state the case FOR Whites and against Jews, and will put the kibosh on the Nazism. Witness the BNP encouraging Churchill's "V" sign instead of the you-know-what for public demonstrations.
Will this result in drastically different treatment from the jewsmedia? Absolutely not. We'll still be called Nazis by them. But it will allow normal folk to feel good about associating with us, and that has tremendous value. Conservative Whites are already trained to dismiss media characterizations of themselves as terrible, selfish and bigoted people - we'll pick right up with that.
2003-08-15 01:08 | User Profile
I am actually pleased with the degeneration of the National Socialist/KKK/Skinhead movements. Hopefully, the NA will completely vanish, followed by Stormfront, EURO, KKK, Bill White, VNN, and other culturally backwards organizations. If these groups are no longer funded, they will die off. So the key is to cut off funding. Instead, donate your time and money to organizations that will inspire and mobilize the White masses, organizations like American Renaissance, Pat Buchanan, the Occidenal Quarterly, David Irving, Original Dissent, Matt Nuenke, Legion Europa, Antiwar.com, We Hold These Truths, and perhaps the Council of Conservative Citizens (I am skeptical of any organization that wants to promote the Confederate Flag in modern times beyond the limit of simply being placed in the historical archives).
Regards,
Ares
2003-08-15 02:54 | User Profile
All of this speculation about what is happening within the NA is pointless. Very few people have any real idea who runs that organization and no means exist for examining the ledgers so no one knows how much money is being lost/made. We know that some huge battle of the control of the organization is going on but again the figures involved are very obscure, most are not issuing any meaningful statements about the issues at hand and no independent conformation exists regarding what has been issued so basically all of this speculation is almost as baseless as Ares babble about what the aliens may or may not do with "trans-human technology" and a waste of time.
I have made some rather extensive criticisms of the NA under Dr. Pierce which I am not particularly interested in going over again so I won't unless a few of the regulars express an interest in me doing so. I will say that the NA was established as an outgrowth of the National Youth Alliance which in turn grew out of the Youth for Wallace organization at the start of the ââ¬Ë70s. A long and drawn out battle between Richard Barrett, Willis Carto and Dr. Pierce left Dr. Pierce running the show the NA became solely a reflection of his vision and it was a personality vehicle by design. Like all personality vehicles the NA is turmoil after the death of it's creator and may well not survive as a single organization.
I note once again that our resident promoter of sci-fi babble cum racialism is pushing enemies of racialism while condemning anyone that is serious about racial preservation. It's more of the same "skinhead/KKK/nazis are what's holding us back" as did his fellow supporter of pro-miscegenation/jew friendly/libertarianism packaged as racialism Tom Rennick. A large reason why self indulgent extremism is so prevalent in the states is because the alternative is often the destructive racialism in name only false flag operations pushed by people like Ares.
2003-08-15 03:51 | User Profile
Triskelion is an ardent National Socialist; he is greatly harming the White Nationalist movement by promoting the National Socialist culture.
Regards,
Ares
2003-08-15 04:08 | User Profile
My record of success as a public proponent of Occidental restoration is pretty clear to everyone that has bothered to look into the matter. Outside of pushing sci-fi sillyness and "eugenic" race mixing with Asians and jews and talking up pro-jew AmRen on message boards what has Ares done in politics or culture?
2003-08-15 04:51 | User Profile
William Pierce was as crazy as a shithouse rat...the bastard held out serial killer and pedophile Joseph Paul Franklin as a fine model of Aryan manhood that his minions should attempt to emulate. As far as I can tell, in 30 years of existence, all the NA managed to do was endorse criminal activity, funnel money out of the pockets of disturbed malcontents, occassionally publish a piss poor magazine, and hawk books at inflated prices. I personally am indifferent to its demise...as it really accomplished nothing and was not even relevant enough to constitute a real detriment to White Nationalism. I shed not a tear, whenever I hear of cultic rejects like William Pierce, Richard Butler, or Matt Hale falling on hard times...these people have nothing to offer anybody, and they all seem to be terribly work shy.
Nick Griffin and Joerg Haider on the other hand, are men who I hold in the highest regard.
2003-08-15 06:12 | User Profile
Hello,
Here are some differences between National Socialism and my version of White Nationalism:
National Socialists don't believe in debating; instead they believe that they should bombard their opponents with insults/name calling, hoping that this will cause the opponent to convert to National Socialism. Triskelion exemplifies this.
Second, National Socialists don't have any interest in science and technology, nor do they understand it. Whenever someone makes a scientific or technological comment, National Socialists respond "stop all the technobabble" or "you are wasting my time" or "stop promoting sci-fi babble." This is also exemplified by Triskelion.
Third, National Socialists believe that all scientific, technological, and cultural advancements since the death of Adolf Hitler should be banned from society. They believe that civilization and the White genome should go back to how Germany was during the Third Reich, and then it should be frozen at that point, without any cultural or biological change from that point on. Again, Treskelion exemplifies this.
Now, if you support the above, then follow Triskelion's ideas. But if you want to give my version a try, visit the links posted in my signature.
Regards,
Ares
2003-08-15 07:32 | User Profile
Ares represents no form of white nationalism. His attacks on those that do hold such values in the same terms as the ADL proves what sort of ideology he really holds. As to name calling I point out that his blathering about alien technology or "why can't Europeans be inorganic" like his favorite Star Trek figure Data as being silly as would any sane person.
As to National Socialists not carrying about science and technology it is obvious that the old NSDAP model proved him wrong with a long and varied record of scientific advancement which is something undeniable even though that is not my model for governance. He of course gives no evidence that my variant of National Socialism , or any other for that matter, held science in disdain for the simple reason that his assertion has zero basis in fact.
Never, has anyone that I endorsed that was interested in any form of racialism stated anything like "National Socialists believe that all scientific, technological, and cultural advancements since the death of Adolf Hitler should be banned from society." so again we see Ares simply lie when his arguments fail as they always do. Ares' lying continues when he says "They believe that civilization and the White genome should go back to how Germany was during the Third Reich, and then it should be frozen at that point, without any cultural or biological change from that point on. Again, Triskelion exemplifies this." as he can't even hint at anything close to such a notion being stated by me or anyone that I have endorsed he is shown to be a shameless liar. Knowing damn well that he can't confront a single element of my belief system honestly he then simply attempts to construct a strawman by saying "Now, if you support the above, then follow Triskelion's ideas. But if you want to give my version a try, visit the links posted in my signature." proving himself desperate, grossly dishonest and totally incapable of debate. Naturally, I note that Ares never even attempted to compare his ineffectual promotion of anti-European policies and fantasy peddled as science as in any way comparable to the public activism that I engage in. He won't because he can't and he can't because he's a fraud.
2003-08-15 07:35 | User Profile
What little the NA does I am grateful for whether it's distributing flyers, stickers, books, music, etc.
For someone who never expected the NA to "take over the world," it is hard to relate to the dashed hopes being expressed here. Progress is a matter of degree. There are various factors at work, some discordant.
Strom and Linder should bury the hatchet and move on. In so far that their talents further the cause of White Nationalism, they will be remembered. As media "personalities," however, they are both expendable.
2003-08-15 10:06 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ares@Aug 14 2003, 20:08 * *(I am skeptical of any organization that wants to promote the Confederate Flag in modern times beyond the limit of simply being placed in the historical archives). **
I'm not.
Fly the colors, white man!
[img]http://www.usflag.org/historical/confed.battle.gif[/img]
2003-08-15 13:22 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Ares@Aug 15 2003, 00:12 * ** Hello,
Here are some differences between National Socialism and my version of White Nationalism:
National Socialists don't believe in debating; instead they believe that they should bombard their opponents with insults/name calling, hoping that this will cause the opponent to convert to National Socialism. Triskelion exemplifies this.
Second, National Socialists don't have any interest in science and technology, nor do they understand it. Whenever someone makes a scientific or technological comment, National Socialists respond "stop all the technobabble" or "you are wasting my time" or "stop promoting sci-fi babble." This is also exemplified by Triskelion.
Third, National Socialists believe that all scientific, technological, and cultural advancements since the death of Adolf Hitler should be banned from society. They believe that civilization and the White genome should go back to how Germany was during the Third Reich, and then it should be frozen at that point, without any cultural or biological change from that point on. Again, Treskelion exemplifies this.
Now, if you support the above, then follow Triskelion's ideas. But if you want to give my version a try, visit the links posted in my signature.
Regards,
Ares **
That's a very ignorant assessment of National Socialism, so much so that you fit your own filters.
National Socialism = Nationalism + Socialization.
A good resource:
Libertarian National Socialist Green Party [url=http://www.nazi.org/]http://www.nazi.org/[/url]
2003-08-15 13:24 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Ares@Aug 13 2003, 22:45 * ** In fact, there is no future for the current White gene pool; the White race is genetically built to be non-White Nationalist. It's hard to fight nature. **
Yawn. Another fatalist.
2003-08-15 13:25 | User Profile
*Originally posted by jack_boot@Aug 13 2003, 17:28 * ** Meanwhile, it seems that good ol' Fred Streed is handing over everything but the laundry list to White/Linder, which info promptly finds it's way to Indymedia...somehow. **
The reason info finds its way to Indymedia is that overthrow.com is a site readable by anyone, not just NA members or cultists.
The NA did many great things, but without strong leadership it has emphasized marginality at the expense of activism.
White and Linder represent a new wave of White Nationalists who do not wish to be identified as Nazis as much as they want to capture popular vote and make effective changes. Too many of the NA people are egocases who are sure they're the baddest Nazis on the block, but they have no practical goals - except being drunk Nazis.
2003-08-16 19:59 | User Profile
I note that Ares has made no effort to defend his conduct on this thread. Instead, he simply lies/attacks those that care about the Occident and moves on. He has proven himself an anti-white troll pure and simple.
2003-08-16 21:50 | User Profile
*Originally posted by AntiYuppie@Aug 16 2003, 20:04 * ** You aren't a surviving member of the Heaven's Gate cult, by any chance? **
I think we have a contender for Subtle Hint of the Year Award here. :P
2003-08-17 00:54 | User Profile
Here are some posts from a good thread on Stormfront that might help put this insanity to rest. Includes some sound writing from two great Stormfront members, Joseph Morgan and Charles A Lindbergh. Not that there was ever any truth to the wild accusations about the National Alliance that Bill White posts on his web site and that il ragno so faithfully reproduces for us here, but it is somewhat reassuring to know that Alex Linder and Bill White got their asses kicked.
** Real purpose for VNN trying to destroy National Alliance and Stormfront?
Joseph Morgan: I went to VNN and read an article about an effort to get rid of Kevin Strom, (possibly the most articulate and responsible WN around), and merge the National Alliance with VNN (a suspect organization associated with Bill White, and represents a possible disasterous set back for White Nationalism).
From overthrow via VNN: "Just before a contentious vote to remove Erich Gliebe as Chairman of the National Alliance, National Alliance President Fred Streed resigned from that group's Board of Directors and handed total control of the organization over to Gliebe. When asked for his reasoning, Streed told LSN that he had "just gotten angry."
The meeting had been called to remove Gliebe, fire Kevin Strom, and declare a merger between the National Alliance and VanguardNewsNetwork, but Streed's sudden and unexpected resignation has trashed that plan and left Gliebe in total control of the group's assets."
What is the purpose of an organization like VNN trying to tear down 2 premier white nationalist organizations? -- Stormfront and the National Alliance. Can it be viewed as anything other than a conscious effort to harm our cause?
Christopher Bryan: Its called competition. The best one will win.
Long County Rebel: I think competition would best serve our interests when directed at our enemies. But in this case, that is a loaded question.
malcolm_young: In my opinion, the events of the last few months point to a coordinated effort to disrupt and/or neutralize the National Alliance. In the wake of the founder's death significant disruptions have occurred. This was to be expected since the system has labeled the NA the "most dangerous white nationalist organization." I can say that I will sleep better tonight knowing that the NA survived a major attack that was part of this campaign.
The opposition tried to wrest control of the substantial assets and infrastructure that the National Alliance has built up via a crude, overplayed power grab on the part of Alex Linder and Bill White. Many of the details of this especially nasty episode in the quiet war on the NA will not be made known. The good news is that our White Race won a major victory the day that this attack was fended off by the loyal elements of the National Alliance. National Alliance Chairman Erich Glibe exercised the discipline and the will our leaders must have when facing the Jews and their attempts to thwart our revolution.
konrad_gerberSS: I dont think a merge is in order, but we as WN should always work together. WE NEED UNITY!!
Charles A Lindbergh: A major victory against an effort that would have very seriously damaged the White Nationalist movement was won during the last 30 days. The effort by the Linder/White coterie (and whatever other forces were enabling them) to tear down the great leadership of the National Alliance, personified by Kevin Alfred Strom, as well as to attempt to drain away the great membership of Stormfront.org has been exposed and failed for all to see.
Folks like malcolm_young who correctly saw who the malefactors were had the eyes of an eagle in this war.
Originally Posted by Christopher Bryan Its called competition. The best one will win.
Yes, but what if one side doesn't have the well-being of white nationalism in mind.
Stormfront and the National Alliance are proven organizations, with people involved who have shown themselves for decades to be dedicated to white nationalism.
Then you have VNN. Marc Moran comes on the sceen briefly, joins the National Alliance, makes news where he denounces the National Alliance, pretends he didn't know their political views, then we find out he owns VNN and has given the web site to Bill White, someone who might not even be a true white nationalist and makes it his passion to discredit the National Alliance and Stormfront.
Charles A Lindbergh: In my opinion, three of the causes for Linder's use of VNN in an antagonistic role against Stormfront and the National Alliance were:
Most of Linder's readers saw what Linder was doing as entertaining to read because of the gasp value. They also came to mistake Linder's brinksmanship for boldness. These readers, all of them fine White patriots who were 100% blameless from, unconnected to, and unaware of Linder's real agenda simply missed perceiving the inevitability of the collision-course that Linder had charted.
Linder did not overtly announce this collision course until his Linder Letter attempting a leadership coup. Before that time any decent White patriot who missed seeing that collision course from the pattern of clues and destructive behavior by Linder (and White) can't be blamed for not figuring out these people who were busily trying to deceive them. Thousands of the very best White Nationalists, activists, and some very good writers were deceived by Linder and White. Those who got fooled by Linder and White were and are good folks who simply got conned. I bought into a little of their stuff myself for a while. We've all been conned. Nobody that I know more than myself. Which has turned me into someone very ready to understand any other White kinsman who has been duped. I've received dupings worse than any inflicted by Linder and White. So you won't find me getting too high on my horse.
Joseph Morgan:
Quote: Originally Posted by Alexander The Great "Alex Linder is an untrustworthy, immoral piece of sh*t, and those who couldn't see this were obviously dipped from the same stream of sewage as he was."
Add it all up:
Marc Moran plays us for fools with: "I'm quiting the NA. I never knew what the National Alliance stood for."
We find out that Moran owned VNN and upon quiting the NA gives VNN to Bill White, who is most likely a fake WN.
Alex Linder, instead of raising hell -- accepts Moran's decision and the inclusion of Bill White in VNN -- and they do all they can to trash two ligitamate, longstanding organizations like the NA and Stormfront.
Charles A Lindbergh: Magnanimity often works better than "I told you so." Post #11
I have shared your low opinion of Alex Linder for about two years Alexander The Great. My point that "We've all been conned" was a general reference to the fact that all good folks have at one time or another been the victims of con artists.
I believe that Kevin Alfred Strom was referring to just such people when, in an ADV broadcast a few weeks ago, he mentioned that lots of good White patriots got suckered or deceived by some aspect of the Bill White house of mirrors.
The bad guys in all of this were probably very, very few in number. It is important that they be clearly marked and pushed out of White Nationalist circles. But the victims were very numerous. And, by contrast, it is important that they NOT feel rejected or scorned in any way by their racialist kinsmen. They got suckered. They got duped. But they are also good guys on our team. The Linder/White episode has no doubt made many thousands of them a lot harder to dupe next time. This is all good.
Sometimes it's important to be humble in victory, and to avoid humiliating folks who will turn out to be glad that you've defeated the clowns who had been lying to them like a rug.
c-4:
I believe that Kevin Alfred Strom was >referring to just such people when, in an ADV broadcast a few weeks >ago, he mentioned that lots of good White patriots got suckered or >deceived by some aspect of the Bill White house of mirrors.
White has been intensely critical of the National Alliance from day one. With every difficulty the Alliance has faced, White has hurried to encourage, fabricate, or over-embellish any opportunity to split white nationalists into warring factions. All the while he has pompously criticized the entire leadership, including Dr. Pierce, of being inept and incapable.
Particularly amusing coming from someone whose venture into politics with his Utopian Anarchist Party consisted of himself, and just one other person. All the while he falsely claimed to everyone who would listen to have had nationwide chapters and being actively engaged in "revolutionary activity."
He was content to attribute the murder of police officers, robberies, and school shootings to his phantom organization the UAP in order to create more publicity surrounding his "persona," as well as creating phony news stories to attribute to the strength of his two person group.
Bill White is a known liar and conartist from his days with the radical left. Noone in the far left, anarchist or communist, took his crap seriously and he was quickly ostracized from that cabal.
It does not say much to the intelligence or judgement of a number of White Nationalists that this attention starved gossip monger has been able to win any amount of trust in our circle.
Bill White's history is plastered all over the internet for all willing to do just a little research on this issue. Nothing has matured or deepened with White's politics; his politics were never the issue. It would be more accurate to say that what White is lacking most in is any sort of substantial political/ideological belief. What seems to be most accurate is Bill White believes and acts according to what will give Bill White the most attention and the available ear of anyone ignorant to believe that he is sincere in what he says.
Bill White has done his best to create division, suspicion, and distrust amongst white nationalists in order to subvert the National Alliance and to fuel his own petty ego. White has done what Harold Covington only could have dreamed of accomplishing.
[url=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=80878]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=80878[/url] **
2003-08-17 02:07 | User Profile
Bill's a skilled Net carnie. He once had his blog rigged to show a page saying his site was overloaded with traffic, more than 10,000 concurrent visitors - try back later, or click here, and of course the "click here" was a redirect that put the visitor right on the blog.
Pretty slick, huh?
A natural liar, a born huckster, the Net version of Elie Wiesel.
If he went into used car sales he'd be a millionaire. Or in prison.
2003-08-17 02:37 | User Profile
Originally posted by jack_boot@Aug 16 2003, 20:07 * ** Bill's a skilled Net carnie. He once had his blog rigged to show a page saying his site was overloaded with traffic, more than 10,000 concurrent visitors - try back later, or click here*, and of course the "click here" was a redirect that put the visitor right on the blog.
Pretty slick, huh?
A natural liar, a born huckster, the Net version of Elie Wiesel.
If he went into used car sales he'd be a millionaire. Or in prison. **
I don't care for Bill White or Alex Linder...however, they are both completely insignificant, as is the National Alliance. The battle for king of the hill of beans really will have no substative effect on White Nationalism in America. If/When a truly White Nationalist movement comes to fruition, it will begin at the community level...it won't be brought about by cultists and hucksters who print pamplhets.
2003-08-17 03:55 | User Profile
The National Alliance was intended to form a cadre for that day, Walter.
As a repository of racial nationalist thought the NA database and library is unsurpassed. We have the largest White Nationalist publishing operation, peanuts in comparison to the jews' media of course, but still of indispensable value. Have you seen our catalog?
The ADV broadcasts, while limited to a handful of stations, are the only White Nationalist radio programs outside of Denmark broadcast in the commercial spectrum.
We try to keep White conciousness raised, and, yes, to agitate the hell out of disgruntled White folk.
Operating at the community level, to be effective, requires more than one White Nationalist in every other town, which is about what we've got. Community level action requires, I'd say, a dozen or so like-minded people in a single town, willing to get out in public, hold public forums, attend the town meetings, and so forth. As a bloc.
Right now, in my town, I know of one other. I know plenty of people who agree with us, but they aren't going to do anything until those dozen or so remarkable citizens, above average citizens, do something first. Right now we are still trying for that dozen, with a media outreach, in the face of a jew media blizzard, in the face of official disapproval, in the face of PC social ostracism.
We have to keep one lantern lit as we patiently recruit, and for most places, that one lantern is the NA.
So what you say is true, but if you have a better approach to the community level, we of the NA are all ears.
2003-08-17 04:19 | User Profile
*Originally posted by jack_boot@Aug 16 2003, 21:55 * ** The National Alliance was intended to form a cadre for that day, Walter.
As a repository of racial nationalist thought the NA database and library is unsurpassed. We have the largest White Nationalist publishing operation, peanuts in comparison to the jews' media of course, but still of indispensable value. Have you seen our catalog?
The ADV broadcasts, while limited to a handful of stations, are the only White Nationalist radio programs outside of Denmark broadcast in the commercial spectrum.
We try to keep White conciousness raised, and, yes, to agitate the hell out of disgruntled White folk.
Operating at the community level, to be effective, requires more than one White Nationalist in every other town, which is about what we've got. Community level action requires, I'd say, a dozen or so like-minded people in a single town, willing to get out in public, hold public forums, attend the town meetings, and so forth. As a bloc.
Right now, in my town, I know of one other. I know plenty of people who agree with us, but they aren't going to do anything until those dozen or so remarkable citizens, above average citizens, do something first. Right now we are still trying for that dozen, with a media outreach, in the face of a jew media blizzard, in the face of official disapproval, in the face of PC social ostracism.
We have to keep one lantern lit as we patiently recruit, and for most places, that one lantern is the NA.
So what you say is true, but if you have a better approach to the community level, we of the NA are all ears. **
What the NA proposes is radical change. Radical change requires a catalyst...white disposession being the catalyst for white nationalist revolution. Whites ARE being dispossesed, but your average white man and woman are relatively well off and feel that they would have nothing to gain by "making waves"...when more and more communitites begin to resemble Southern California, this will begin to change.
What I will say is this:
People, myself included, are suspicious of organizations that adhere to any sort of real or percieved rigid structure of leaders and "members". These sorts of organizational structures smack of cultism and fringe lunacy.
My suggestion would be to speak with people in your community about the dispossession of white people in 21st Century America. I live in a big city and deal with attorneys all day...and many of them are receptive to WN core principles. There are more people who are "on board" than you think...they just are not interested in getting involved in "fearless leader" cults or joining fringe organizations.
Furthermore: I would really not lose any sleep over Alex Linder and Bill White. The former is one of these "cop out Nazis" who could not make it in the working world so he retired to his family home to devote himself full time to propaganda activities. People like Linder, and Matt Hale, like to martyr themselves by saying things like "I gave up a great job for the cause!" Bullshit. These guys are maladjusted, work-shy, social rejects who are living out pathetic adolescent fantasies from their parents' basements. They are irrelevant.
If a man is serious about promoting WN, he will get the best job that he can, gain professional clout, acquire wealth and prestige in his community, and devote himself to community level activism. You see, when a hardworking, well educated, professional man who is a leader in his community speaks, people listen. He also has the power and disposable capital to effect positive change. When Alex Linder speaks, people rightfully see an unemployed, crass, disturbed guy who lives with his parents and maintains a racist website.
Thanx for listening, Jack Boot.
-WEK
2003-08-17 04:21 | User Profile
The National Alliance was intended to form a cadre for that day, Walter.
Yeah, I'm sure. I'm also sure that, somewhere out there, there are diehards still offering solid arguments for mimeograph machines, rotary-dial phones and universalizing Esperanto, too.
There are other forums for you West Virginia loyalists to brandish your sliver of the True Cross, boys. Like Stormfront and the VNN Forum. I don't like NA ringers suddenly signing on to OD to counter-propagandize on this one narrow (and frankly, uninteresting) topic.
2003-08-17 12:33 | User Profile
"If a man is serious about promoting WN, he will get the best job that he can, gain professional clout, acquire wealth and prestige in his community, and devote himself to community level activism. You see, when a hardworking, well educated, professional man who is a leader in his community speaks, people listen. He also has the power and disposable capital to effect positive change." - WEK
Damn well said, sir.
Myself, I've always considered the NA as a media and educational resource. I joined, not only to make a statement of commitment, but also to support Dr. Pierce's efforts financially, to get a little more actively involved in the cause, and to meet like-minded people.
I'm not entirely surprised that we're considered a bunch of lunatic bombthrowers by the general public; after all, the jews have done their very best to give us that image.
We propose radical change because radical change is required. A half-a-loaf won't do. Our jew masters must be pulled down and expelled. They are the problem. We must be rid of them, and that's that.
2003-08-17 16:20 | User Profile
Originally posted by prozak+-->
QUOTE* (prozak) A good resource: Libertarian National Socialist Green Party [url=http://www.nazi.org/]http://www.nazi.org/[/url] ** Whaddya know, another Libertarian Socialist, just like Bill White. I didn't know there were more than one of you guys.
**QUOTE** (Paleoleftist @ Aug 20 2003, 14:11 )