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Thread ID: 8978 | Posts: 11 | Started: 2003-08-12
2003-08-12 11:47 | User Profile
Need clarification on Bill White's latest ShopWhite commentary in order to decide whether to join.
[url=http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=5808]http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=5808[/url]
What's the thingy with signing up with ShopWhite to get assurance I won't get raided by the Justice Department?
"You join it, and you get the deals, or you don't join it, and you continue cleaning your guns and shouting sieg heil at the wall while you wait for the JTTF to raid your trash strewn apartment. Itz your choice -- we don't make it for you -- and you either get with the program, or get left out. Itz a tough choice to make, I know, but this is where the future is, and you jump on board or get left behind."
And is there a time limit on joining? With Bill getting 3 or 4 Shopwhite inquiries a day now, I don't want to be caught up in the mad rush of people joining.
I understand when Bill said "There are people out there whose purpose in life is to be disruptive; many of them gravitate towards radical movements, right, left, white, anti-white, etc. There are people who are sincere white nationalists who will join things just to complain about them."
Its just that I don't see a need to pay $9.95 to join Shopwhite just to complain about it when I can do it for free.
To his credit, so far I've been pretty impressed with Bill's business acumen. Some of these deals look awful good. Bill says he is going to put a $300.00 TV up for bid for $20.00 if he gets a hundred or so new members to pay the $9.95 PONZI membership fee by the end of this month.
I also had a hard time understanding the deal about Bill's experiment with free coffee and the chocolate bits in them. I know Bill said he hypothetically could have walked into Starbucks Coffee, only it's Jewish owned. So he would rather patronize another Jewish owned coffee shop as long as he didn't know personally it was Jewish owned. The part I got confused about was I can't find the chocky bits coffee at shopwhite. I also wondered whether it wasn't something other than coffee Bill was experimenting with.
Finally, I own a house and wondered if I still was eligible for protection from FBI raids. Thanks for any help. :jest:
2003-08-12 11:58 | User Profile
*Its just that I don't see a need to pay $9.95 to join Shopwhite just to complain about it when I can do it for free. *
Sounds reasonable to me.
2003-08-19 21:16 | User Profile
No credit? Slow credit? Even bad credit or bankruptcy! Bill doesn't care!
For ten bucks he'll treat you deadbeats just like any other chump.
No ten bucks will be refused!
For a limited time only, sign up now! now! now!
Or you're an asshole!
2003-08-19 21:47 | User Profile
JB,
Your attack on Shop White seems pretty baseless and petty. If white starts an auction site for pro-white stuff what's the problem? He never said "sign up or your an asshole" or anything like it. Personally, I like the idea of having a new source for racial material.
As for the question at the start of the article "why sign up" the reason is so that you can partake of the auctions and get some stuff you want for a decent price. The fees keep the service running and it sounds like they are also intended to keep out those that wish to disrupt the site.
** What's the thingy with signing up with ShopWhite to get assurance I won't get raided by the Justice Department? **
I think that was a joke about either sitting about doing nothing or helping pro-white enterprises. If you simply hate Bill White like JB does then don't join SW. If you don't the idea of a pro-white auction site don't join. If you can't afford membership or are too scared of the feds raiding a pro-white enterprise to bother supporting it then don't.
2003-08-19 23:23 | User Profile
Giving my credit card number to Bill White?
Sounds like the best thing since the invention of the Darwin Award. :rolleyes:
2003-08-19 23:38 | User Profile
Triskelion.
One, you are utterly devoid of any discernible sense of humor.
Two, that is not a pro-White enterprise. That is a pro-Bill-White enterprise.
Three, nobody said anything about any Net auction site getting raided by feds, where did you get that notion?
If you want to give ten dollars and your credit card number to that smirking, vulgar, greasy, low-down lying carnival barker, go ahead. I'd advise you to do a little research on the operator and then see if you can still stomach the idea of putting any money in his pocket.
The lout wraps himself in "the Cause" today, because he stands to make a buck; yesterday he was declaring to all and sundry "I am not a WN"; the day before that, he was Anti-Racist Action.
But most important to Bill White is the realization that he can easily make of himself a big frog in a small pond, just by playing the right suckers.
Tomorrow he'll start a church.
2003-08-20 03:36 | User Profile
*Originally posted by jack_boot@Aug 19 2003, 18:38 * ** Tomorrow he'll start a church. **
Damn I hope not!!! :lol:
2003-08-20 04:12 | User Profile
Originally posted by triskelion@Aug 19 2003, 14:47 * If you simply hate Bill White like JB does then don't join SW. If you don't the idea of a pro-white auction site don't join.*
There's nothing pro-white about ShopWhite and there's no reason for anybody to think that joining ShopWhite or buying anything from there will benefit White people or help advance the White Nationalist movement. Bill White owns ShopWhite and uses his VNN web site, his VNNForum web site, and his Overthrow web site to promote his private business. That's about all there is to it.
Now, if for some reason you want to support Bill White, this leftist-anarchist who attacks pro-white people, spreads vicious lies about our racial kinsmen, and discredits the entire movement, then go ahead and sign up.
Most of what's available on ShopWhite can be purchased through the National Alliance, an organization with a proven record of commitment to white racialist causes. To me, that would seem to be the more logical choice.
2003-08-20 05:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE] One, you are utterly devoid of any discernible sense of humor. [/QUOTE]
Off hand, I'd say the same about you.
[QUOTE] Three, nobody said anything about any Net auction site getting raided by feds, where did you get that notion? [/QUOTE]
Read a post before you comment on it. The person that started the thread said [QUOTE] What's the thingy with signing up with ShopWhite, to get assurance I won't get raided by the Justice Department? [/QUOTE] to which I responded [QUOTE] I think that was a joke about either sitting about doing nothing or helping pro-white enterprises. If you simply hate Bill White like JB does then don't join SW. If you don't the idea of a pro-white auction site don't join. If you can't afford membership or are too scared of the feds raiding a pro-white enterprise to bother supporting it then don't. [/QUOTE] The last bit was in reference to the opening post's comment that seems to presume that the feds will get his personal information after raiding Shop White.
You then spew a heap of attacks on the man while giving zero support for your claims combined with lots of the sort of insults that both you and I will agree he shouldn't do to others.
[QUOTE] The lout wraps himself in "the Cause" today, because he stands to make a buck; yesterday he was declaring to all and sundry "I am not a WN"; the day before that, he was Anti-Racist Action. [/QUOTE]
Lying about someone doesn't help make your case. He never called himself a WN but he clearly promotes a white racial agenda as anyone can see that reads his site. If he makes some money providing an auction service that deals in racial products what's the problem outside of your clear hatred for him? That he used to be a radical leftist many years ago and has since rejected that outlook should be something to make a racially aware person happy. Instead, your claiming that he is still a leftist (which is obviously wrong) or that he is an opportunist which is something that you give no support for.
[/QUOTE] Tomorrow he'll start a church. [/CODE]
So your saying that people in politics shouldn't start churches? Where does that leave Dr. Pierce whom you clearly support or Matt Hale? or the IC types? Do you view them as greedy creeps out to rip off white people? They also sell racial material like BW so does that mean they also should be attacked the way you attack BW?
[QUOTE] There's nothing pro-white about ShopWhite and there's no reason for anybody to think that joining ShopWhite or buying anything from there will benefit White people or help advance the White Nationalist movement. [/QUOTE]
It seems to me that people wishing to sell racial material have few outlets and that having more such outlets is a good thing. It benefits the people selling the material and those that buy it seem to think it gives them a benefit as well. It seems that those things are good to those interested in promoting white nationalism to me. If you don't think so feel free to start your own service that sells racial material and reinvest the money earned in the fashion you think is best able to advance racialism.
[QUOTE] Now, if for some reason you want to support Bill White.. [/QUOTE]
When did I say I support Bill White?
[QUOTE] this leftist-anarchist... [/QUOTE]
Oddly enough, reading his site I see lots of attacks on leftists and anarchists by BW and I note that he does not label himself as such. I also note that he is clearly a big fan of Julius Evola and S. Devi, Hitler and plenty of other people that the left hates. I also note that he is very anti-jewish, hates race mixing, supports racial separation and writes favorably about some racialist groups. How does that make him a leftist-anarchist?
[QUOTE] who attacks pro-white people, spreads vicious lies about our racial kinsmen, and discredits the entire movement ...[QUOTE]
He does attack some racialists in the states but then again, plenty like you attack him. As for lies and rumours it seems to me that much of what he posts is by others that write in and that he personally does not endorse everything he prints. Is some of what he prints wrong and vicious? Perhaps, I don't know as I am not personally close to the people he writes about. Are some of his comments negative and counter productive? Yes. Can the same things be said about those that attack him constantly? I'd guess yes as well.
[/QUOTE]... then go ahead and sign up.[/QUOTE]
As you clearly hate the man and are pretty far from reality in your criticisms (you even went so far as to call him a jew yet you gave zero support for the notion outside of the fact that you hate him for attacking the leadership of the NA which is no indication of your claim). As a result, I'd say that your comments have no relevance to Shop White or if someone should support it or not if they don't share your hatred of BW.
2003-08-20 06:09 | User Profile
Originally posted by triskelion It seems to me that people wishing to sell racial material have few outlets and that having more such outlets is a good thing. It benefits the people selling the material and those that buy it seem to think it gives them a benefit as well. It seems that those things are good to those interested in promoting white nationalism to me. If you don't think so feel free to start your own service that sells racial material and reinvest the money earned in the fashion you think is best able to advance racialism.
I agree with everything you say here. I oppose ShopWhite solely on the basis of its proprietor.
> Now, if for some reason you want to support Bill White.. **
When did I say I support Bill White?**
My comment was directed at any readers who might be considering joining ShopWhite including the person who started the thread.
**Oddly enough, reading his site I see lots of attacks on leftists and anarchists by BW and I note that he does not label himself as such. I also note that he is clearly a big fan of Julius Evola and S. Devi, Hitler and plenty of other people that the left hates. I also note that he is very anti-jewish, hates race mixing, supports racial separation and writes favorably about some racialist groups. How does that make him a leftist-anarchist?
who attacks pro-white people, spreads vicious lies about our racial kinsmen, and discredits the entire movement ...
He does attack some racialists in the states but then again, plenty like you attack him.**
Irrelevant because one may be deserved and the other may not.
**As for lies and rumours it seems to me that much of what he posts is by others that write in and that he personally does not endorse everything he prints. **
A responsible person would never publish anonymous letters that viscously malign people with previouly unblemished reputations (i.e. KAStrom) who have a proven record of work and sacrifice for the white racialist cause. Bill White publishes something like this almost every day.
I believe Bill White writes most of these letters/articles himself. He has admitted to doing as much in the past, and also doing such things as answering his own posts in web forum using multiple accounts with separate IP addresses, etc. The man simply has no credibility.
**Is some of what he prints wrong and vicious? Perhaps, I don't know as I am not personally close to the people he writes about. Are some of his comments negative and counter productive? Yes. Can the same things be said about those that attack him constantly? I'd guess yes as well.
... then go ahead and sign up.
As you clearly hate the man and are pretty far from reality in your criticisms (you even went so far as to call him a jew yet you gave zero support for the notion outside of the fact that you hate him for attacking the leadership of the NA which is no indication of your claim). As a result, I'd say that your comments have no relevance to Shop White or if someone should support it or not if they don't share your hatred of BW.**
I don't believe I have never called Bill White a jew so I think you are confusing me with someone else. Also, I don't hate him, that is a projection on your part, perhaps based on your identity mixup.
Let me say something here: I generally use very simple standards for judging who is on my side and who is not. People who spread lies and maliciously attack decent, hard-working racially-conscious WHITE people for purely selfish reasons are not on my side. Even if they try to present themselves as being pro-white, and even if they know how to write a good essay or turn a catchy phrase, I don't want them in my tribe unless they can also bring themselves up to conform to some minimum standard of WHITE behaviour, meaning decent, fair and honest ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO TREATMENT OF OUR RACIAL KINSMEN. Bill White has proven himself to be among the lowest form of white men and therefore he is not of my tribe.
2003-08-20 08:13 | User Profile
More on Bill White and my statement calling him a leftist-anarchist
A Jan.2002 interview with Bill White was published in Pravda. What it shows is a history of a guy jumping from one extremist position to another looking for ways to get exposure for himself. The interview also makes clear that he is not in any way a racialist and in fact, he has a history of associations with anti-racist groups.
From the interview: * "I worked with the Communist Party USA and the Libertarian Party* in 1999"
"just a few weeks ago I offered, and was accepted, as a contributor to Synthesis, a major publication of the National-Anarchist movement."
"I've also got two definite [National-Anarchist] candidates I will be managing in the local 2002 elections, and probably quite a few more getting ready to declare."
"Libertarian and socialist is probably the best way to define [my ideology]"
Interviewer: "You used to be a radical anti-racist activist. In the Washington Post on February 9, 1998, there was a picture of you burning a confederate flag that had been captured from members of the Ku Klux Klan during a racist/anti-racist fight."
"[World Bank] people hate that European and Northern American nations have avoided the slavery that they have imposed on Asian and African and Latin American workers, and so they try to turn the anti-globalist movement into a mechanism for expanding the enslavement of the working class out of the Third World and into the entire globe! If these people really cared about working people, in Africa or elsewhere..." - [color=red]we see where his sympathies lie.[/color]
"I spent much of my youth engaged in petty crime and thuggery." - [color=red]nice[/color]
In this interview he gave over a year ago it's clear that he had big problems with the National Alliance even then, and this was when Pierce was still alive. So we can conclude the reasons he gives now for attacking the NA, where he slams Strom and Gliebe and the others with claims they are ruining the organization, are a sham. I believe he's always hated the NA because he sees them as racists. He hates Jews because he sees them as the ultimate racists, and because he hates those who wield power over others (anarchist again). If a White-racialist state where ever set up in America he would hate that too.
He supports so-called extremist groups on the right because, just on principle, he supports anything that is hostile to the dominant power structure. He is warm on national-socialism because it is hostile to Jews, but presents no sympathy with the racialist part of national-socialism.
So I think it was fair to call him a leftist-anarchist, even though he seems to call himself a Libertarian-Socialist, but one could say that neither label exactly fits.
You can read the full interview yourself [url=http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/01/10/25248.html]here[/url] or [url=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9530]here[/url].
{Note: I screwed up and originally posted this to the wrong thread. It belongs here.}