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friedrich braun [OP]

2003-08-12 01:05 | User Profile

What the hell is happening to the BNP? IS the BNP promoting race mixing now (i.e., genocide)? This is the most disturbing development I've read in a long while. It's days like these that I feel that Whites are just doomed. "We have met the enemy and it is us." Truly depressing.

Searchlight March 2003

Walkouts threatened after BNP promotes race-mixing by Nick Lowles

The British National Party is facing its most serious political crisis in recent years as party members up and down the country accuse the leadership of selling out its core principles.

The focus of their anger is the party's local election candidate in Barrow who proudly announced to the local press that he could not be considered racist because he had two mixed-race grandchildren :dung: whom he loved dearly. :drool:

The first party members heard about this was when Martin Wingfield, the candidate's election agent and a key party propagandist, happily recited the story in the February issue of the BNP newspaper, The Voice of Freedom. Wingfield took great delight in using this as evidence of the party's new moderate image. He even included a photograph of the candidate with his black son-in-law and grandchildren.

[url=http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/stories/032003_story01.htm]http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/stories...003_story01.htm[/url]

:hit:

electrik

2003-08-12 01:37 | User Profile

Okay ONE member did, big deal.

sun tzu

2003-08-12 01:55 | User Profile

ahahaha

reading gnxp too? it's a good site

[url=http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/000858.html]http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/000858.html[/url]

thought you hated them tho

[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=31&t=9692&hl=&view=findpost&p=56062]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...indpost&p=56062[/url]

** It seems rather self-stroking of this ridiculous Brownster to suggest that any ZOG agency really has that much interest in his daily pseudo-intellectual pompous gibberish. Actually, I suspect that the only people who pay any attention to this bully are his fellow bloggers (all three of them) at the South Asian "Gene Expression". 
**

hahaha

[img]http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wgor/cyf/poster_trk_chinese_m.jpg[/img]

sun tzu

2003-08-12 02:00 | User Profile

*Originally posted by Leland Gaunt@Aug 11 2003, 19:37 * ** The NPD once had a chairman named Martin Musgnug - who had a asian wife. Franz Schönhuber from the "republicans" in Germany was married to a Jewess and has a jewish daughter. ...If I ever have kids and my daughter comes home with a non-white lover - I would disown her and never speak to her again. she wouldn't be of my flesh and blood anymore. **

hahahaha

will you disown f braun too ????

[url=http://www.dienekes.com/blog/archives/000330.html]http://www.dienekes.com/blog/archives/000330.html[/url]

** O: "but i saw a post on Original Dissent that said that you have a jewish girlfriend. is that true?"

Nah...she's Lithuanian-Candian. I did have a Jewish gf in my early twenties, though. A very nice and pretty girl (brown hair, light blue eyes...a body to die for...).

Posted by: friedrich braun at August 9, 2003 01:52 AM **

sun tzu

2003-08-12 02:06 | User Profile

*Originally posted by electrik@Aug 11 2003, 19:37 * ** Okay ONE member did, big deal. **

uhuhuhuh

oh no no no no

mister nickolas griffin, head BNP chappie said this:

[url=http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/race_reality.htm]http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/race_reality.htm[/url]

** So what of those who mix? Well, once again, let’s get something straight. We’re not going to impose laws against miscegenation, still less persecute anybody.... We will replace promotion with rejection, but we cannot introduce persecution. **

hahahahahahaha

friedrich braun

2003-08-12 07:03 | User Profile

Hello c*nt Tzu, my little, yellow, ugly, slanted-eye cannibal chink!

What do you use to blind-fold a chink? Dental floss. :D

Good detective work c*nt tzu! So, I’ve been exposed…..again! Gadzooks!!! Altogether now: :y

Tssk tssk tssk don’t you love those personal attacks?

Did you know that Dr. Joseph Goebbels was engaged to a certain Jewish woman (Else) in his youth? See for e.g. David Irving’s biography of Joseph Goebbels, “Goebbels: Mastermind of the Third Reich” at p. 52 (online: [url=http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Goebbels/Goebbels.pdf)]http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Goebbels/Goebbels.pdf)[/url]. Would you call him, nevertheless, a great National Socialist? I know that I would.

As for “Gene Expression”, I really only have a problem with one contributor, the South Asian dishonourable thug and coward known as “godlesscapitalist” (but I can see that you don’t know what the word “honour” means either); I actually like Razib.

Listen to me you little racial invader :dung: , it’s plain to see from your semi-literate posts on this forum that you’re a dangerous enemy of the White race, yet, you reside in America, a country built by Whites (WASPs, to be more precise) for Whites and not for hostile, arrogant, haughty yellow parasites such as yourself.

As Jared Taylor notes, “In 1787, in the second of The Federalist Papers, John Jay gave thanks that "Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs . . . ."

This is not exactly a celebration of diversity, nor was Jay an eccentric. Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson were all explicit about wanting the United States to be a white country, and in 1790 the first federal naturalization law required that applicants for citizenship be "free white persons." Until 1965, it was very difficult for non-whites to immigrate to the United States and become citizens (an exception being made for the descendants of slaves). Immigration law was explicitly designed to keep the United States a white nation with a white majority. It was only in the 1950s and 60s that the country turned its back on nearly 200 years of traditional thinking about race and began its long march down the road to nowhere.”

[url=http://www.amren.com/divers.htm]http://www.amren.com/divers.htm[/url]

Why aren’t you in China, gook? :ph34r: As you know, Whites don't need Asians and we would be much better off without Jews. By contrast, Jews need Whites and Asians living in our countries benefit enormously from us. I think that you (and “godless” et al.) know this and therefore perceive White racial consciousness and cohesion as a potential threat, which is why you’re so pro-race-mixing and pro-immigration (i.e., you basically take the same stance toward Whites that Jews have traditionally taken since you're in a similar position). The first thing we shall do is deport all non-Whites to their respective countries. And if you refuse to go quietly like good boys? All I can say is: boxcars and B (LG, my brother, will translate, if need be…or ask the Jews…). :hit:

Finally, tell us a few words about your, and your countrymen’s, taste for human flesh. We already know that you like to consume such delicacies as rats, cats, dogs, monkeys' brains, owls' eyes, bears' paws and deep fried scorpions, bush meat, etc. But few are cognizant of this well-documented Chinese predilection for human flesh …You people really are the yellow negroes... :afro:

I bet you're as dirty and filthy as your typical Chinese restaurant. You people have no clue what personal hygiene means, stinky little chinks.

Bon appetit, slanted-eye monkey:

*REPORTS OF CONTEMPORARY CANNIBALISM IN CHINA* No one could accuse the Chinese of being squeamish about the things they eat - monkeys' brains, owls' eyes, bears' paws and deep fried scorpions are all items on the menu. But most dishes revered as national favourites sound as harmless as boiled rice when compared to the latest pint de jour allegedly gaining favour in Shenzhen - human foetus. Rumours that dead embryos were being used as dietary supplements started to spread early last year with reports that some doctors in Shenzhen hospitals were eating dead foetuses after carrying out abortions.** The doctors allegedly defended their actions by saying the embryos were good for their skin and general health. A trend was set and soon reports circulated that doctors in the city were promoting foetuses as a human tonic. Hospital cleaning women were seen fighting each other to take the treasured human remains home. Last month, reporters from EastWeek - a sister publication of Eastern Express - went to Shenzhen to see if the rumours could be substantiated. On March 7, a reporter entered the state-run Shenzhen Health Centre for Women and Children feigning illness and asked a female doctor for a foetus. The doctor said the department was out of stock but to come again. The next day the reporter returned at lunch time. The doctor eventually emerged from the operating theatre holding a fist size glass bottle stuffed with thumbsized foetuses. She said: 'There are 10 foetuses here, all aborted this morning. You can take them. We are a state hospital and don't charge anything. 'Normally, we doctors take them home to eat - all free. Since you don't look well, you can take them.' Not every state hospital is as generous with its dead embryos as the Health Centre for Women and Children. At the Shenzhen People's Hospital, for example, the reporter was in for a surprise. When a Ms. Yang, the head nurse, was asked for foetuses, she looked anxious and asked other staff to leave. After closing the door, she asked the undercover buyer in a low voice: 'Where did you (get to) know that we sell foetuses?' The reporter answered: 'A doctor friend in Hong Kong told me.' 'Who? What is his/her name?' The reporter was not prepared for this line of questioning and could not come up with a name. Yang told him that foetuses were only for sale within the hospital, and were not for public purchase. She added that some staff would, however, sell the foetuses on to Hong Kong buyers. The reporter learned that the going rate for a foetus was $10 but when the merchandise was in short supply, the price could go up to $20. But these prices are pin money compared to those set by private clinics, which are said to make a fortune selling foetuses. One chap on Bong Men Lao Street charges $300 for one foetus. The person in charge of the clinic is a man in his 60's. When he saw the ailing reporter, he offered to take an order for foetuses that had reached full-term and which, it is claimed, contain the best healing properties. When a female doctor named Yang - no relation - of Sin Hua clinic was asked whether foetuses were edible, she said emphatically: 'Of course they are. They are even better than placentas. 'They can make your skin smoother, your body stronger and are good for kidneys. When I was in an army hospital in Jiangti province, I often brought foetuses home. They were pink, like little mice, with hands and feet. Normally, I buy some pork to make soup (with the foetuses added). I know they are human beings, and (eating them) feels disgusting. But at that time, it was already very popular.' A Mr. Cheng from Hong Kong claims he has been eating foetus soup for more than six months. To begin, the man, in his 40's, would make the trip to Shenzhen frequently for business and was introduced to foetuses by friends. He says he met a number of professors and doctors in government hospitals who helped him buy the foetuses. 'At first, I felt uncomfortable, but doctors said the substances in foetuses could help cure my asthma. I started taking them and gradually, the asthma disappeared,' Cheng said. Now, Cheng only eats foetuses occasionally to top up his treatment, but there was a time when he made regular cross border trips with the gruesome merchandise. 'Everytime [I made the trip], I carried a Thermos flask to Shenzhen and brought the foetuses back to Hong Kong to make soup. If they gave me 20 or 30 at a time, I put them in the refrigerator. I didn't have the soup every day - it depended on the supply. 'Usually, I washed the foetuses clean, and added ginger, orange peel and pork to make soup. After taking it for a while, I felt a lot better and my asthma disappeared. I used to take placenta, but it was not so helpful.' When asked if he was concerned about the foetuses containing diseases, Cheng was dismissive. 'I bought them from government hospitals. They would check the pregnant women before doing the operations and only sell them to me if there was no problem. Also, I always boil them over high heat which kills any bacteria.' Although Cheng has overcome any squeamishness over eating foetus soup, he says he draw the line at consuming whole dead embryos. He also refrains from telling people of his grisly dietary habits. Zou Qin, 32, a woman from Hubei with the fine skin of a someone several years younger, attributes her well preserved looks to a diet of foetuses. As a doctor at the Lun Hu Clinic, Zou has carried out abortions on several hundred patients. She believes foetuses are highly nutritious and claims to have eaten more than 100 in the past six months. She pulls out a foetus specimen before a reporter and explains the selection criteria. 'People normally prefer (foetuses of) young women, and even better, the first baby and a male.' She adds: 'They are wasted if we don't eat them. The women who receive abortions here don't want the foetuses. Also, the foetuses are already dead [when we eat them]. We don't carry out abortions just to eat the foetuses. 'Before, my sister's children were very weak. I heard that foetuses were good for your health and started taking some to my nephews,' Zou says, without remorse. 'I wash them with clear water until they look transparent white and then stew them. Making soup is best.' But she admits there are drawbacks to this dubious delicacy. 'Foetuses are very smelly and not everybody can take the stink,' she said. 'You can also make meat cakes by mixing foetuses with minced meat but you have to add more ginger and chives to get rid of the smell.' Hong Kong legislator Dr. Tan Siu-tong is surprised that it could be within anyone's capability to overcome the stench of a dead foetus, even if their stomachs are lined with lead. 'When all the placental tissue is dead, the smell is awful and is enough to make you feel sick. It is like having a dead mouse in the house,' he said. The foetuses allegedly eaten by the Chinese are all provided by China's extensive abortion services. Last year, doctors in the People's Hospital - the biggest hospital in Shenzhen - carried out more than 7,000 terminations, 509 on Hong Kong women. The Hong Kong Family Planning Association (FPA) estimates that 24 per cent of all abortions on Hong Kong women are performed in the dubious surroundings of a Chinese hospital. A Ms. Li from Hong Kong has had two abortions in Shenzhen but has never heard of people eating foetuses. 'But I didn't want the babies, so after the abortions, I just left them with the hospital,' she says. 'I didn't want to look at them, and I certainly didn't want to keep them. Foetuses of two or three months are just water and blood when they come out. They are so small, how can you eat them?' Doctors in the territory have responded with disgust and incredulity to stories of people supplementing their diets with foetuses. Many have read articles of foetal cannibalism but none has been able to verify the reports. They are treating the issue with skepticism. Dr. Margaret Kwan, a gynecologist who until two weeks ago held the post of chief executive at the FPA, says: 'This is the strangest thing I have ever heard coming out of China. I just hope it is not true.' Dr. Warren Lee, president of the Hong Kong Nutrition Association, is aware of the unsavory rumours. 'Eating foetuses is a kind of traditional Chinese medicine and is deeply founded in Chinese folklore. In terms of nutrition, a foetus would be a good source of protein and fats, and there are minerals in bone. But I don't know if eating foetuses is just folklore or more than that,' he says. According to Lee, it is conceivable that foetuses are rich in certain hormones that are beneficial to the adult human body, but should this be the case, the foetal matter would have to be converted into an injectible form for best results, as most hormones including the hormone for diabetes, insulin - are broken down in the digestive system before they have a chance to be absorbed by the body. But Lee suggests that anyone who eats a foetus would be seeking a remedy that is far more elusive than a hormone or mineral. 'Some people may think there is also an unidentified substance or chemical that has healing powers, but there is no evidence that this is true.' Lee urges people to be wary - 'There are people out there who just want to make money and they will come up with all sorts of formulas or substances, which, they say will cure diseases.' As a child, Patrick Yau was fed on human placentas by his mother who worked at a local hospital, but in his current position as a psychologist with the Social Welfare Department he is both repulsed and shocked by the notion of eating foetuses. 'As a Catholic, I object to abortions because I believe the foetus is a human life, and I certainly object to eating a dead baby after it has been aborted,' he says. Yau concedes that in China, where the one child policy has turned abortions into an acceptable remedy to an unfortunate human blunder, people may have adopted a new outlook on life before birth, such that embryos are stripped of their status as human beings. But Tang fails to understand how anyone anywhere can convince themselves 'that they are just eating an organism when they are actually eating a dead body'. 'It may not be a formed human being, but when they think about it most people would think: 'Ugh! No, I can't eat that.' I don't think civilized people with an education could do that sort of thing.' Dr. Wong, a Hong Kong doctor who practices Western medicine, thinks only the ignorant would eat human foetuses. He explains that foetuses contain mucoploysaccharide, which is beneficial to the metabolism, but states that it can be found in a lot of other food - Chinese doctor Chu Ho-Ting agrees that there is no place for foetuses in medicine, and suggests that it might even be unhealthy if the pregnant woman was infected by disease. 'Most bacteria can be killed under 100 degree heat but some require 400 degrees. Some people believe eating foetuses can strengthen the immunity of the human body against diseases, but this is wrong. Although foetuses contain protein, they are not as nutritious as placenta, which contains different kinds of nutrients. But even placenta has to be taken with other Chinese herbs.' Hong Kong Eastern Express, 12 April 1995 This world is tolerating and even at times encourages abortion. This world tolerates the research done on preborn infants. Facts that I never wanted to place before you have been going on in this world, in the name of medical research. Just one example was reported in Life Advocate, Feb. 1995 in an article by Denise Billings, titled 'Federal Cannibalism': 'Tissue cultures are obtained by dropping still living babies into meat grinders and homogenizing them, according to the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine.' Now, though, even a more horrid nightmare is taking place: the Chinese are actually eating preborn children. The newswires out of Hong Kong released the information that Chinese doctors are eating aborted babies and selling the children as health food. The Eastern Express reports on a doctor they interviewed who stated that the babies are 'even better than placentas' referring to the nutritional value. From the Kyodo News Service, Japan Economic Newswire, dateline Hong Kong, April 12, 1995, we quote: '"They can make your skin smoother, your body stronger and are good for the kidneys," said the female doctor from the southern Chinese city 's Sin Hua Clinic.' A female doctor at the city's Luo Eu Clinic, who has carried out hundreds of abortions, reportedly claimed to have eaten 100 fetuses in the past six months. She was quoted as saying the best were firstborn males from young women. 'I wash them with clear water until they look transparent white and then stew them. Making soup is best.' she was quoted as saying, adding, 'They are wasted if we don't eat them.' In The Daily Telegraph, Bejing, April 13, 1995, a story by Yojana Sharma and Graham Hutchings repeated the facts surrounding the cannibalism taking place. The sale of the babies for nutritional value was not overlooked. A woman doctor, referred to only as Wang, from the Sin Hua Clinic, Shenzhen, was quoted as saying, 'The fetuses were even better than placentae' in nutritional value. 'They make your skin smoother, your body stronger and are good for the kidneys' she said. Dr. Warren Lee, president of the Hong Kong Nutrition Association, said: 'Eating fetuses is a traditional Chinese medicine deeply founded in folklore.' As hard as it must be to read the reports coming out of China, it has been much harder for me to relate them to you. As I read these reports on my desk, I remember the words so often said to me by non-active pro-lifers: 'It can't get any worse!' Well, it is worse. The attack against the preborn child has reached nightmarish proportions. Yet, still, people say they just can't come to the abortion mills to pray to end this holocaust. I have often thought in the past several weeks what God will do to these Chinese cannibalists. Then I think about what God will do to the United States. He has given us so much and we in turn do so little to stop this holocaust. 'Father, forgive them for they know not what they do' will be the prayer for the Chinese. Unfortunately, for the Americans, we do know and we choose to do nothing. God help us all. Katherine Sabelko in Children of the Rosary Publication, May Newsgram, Part 1, 1995

Rotten.com: 'Two pictures from our anonymous Asian correspondent. Just as with humans, infanticide is common in the animal kingdom, but it is often followed by infantiphagia, the eating of babies. Incidents of chimpanzees, one of mankind's closest relatives, consuming their young are well documented. Good eating is, after all, good eating. 'These photos were sent to us anonymously. It is difficult to determine where they were taken -- Hong Kong or Japan -- or whether crimes were committed in the process. It is difficult to imagine the act pictured being legal in any jurisdiction.' Not being from a verifiable source, the authenticity of these images is uncertain. **

Scroll down to see a picture of a Chinese gook eating a foetus (mmm...finger-licking good...yummmy...., right gook?): [url=http://www.heretical.com/cannibal/china.html]http://www.heretical.com/cannibal/china.html[/url] :th:

More on modern-day (and ancient) cannibalism in China: [url=http://www.chinasucks.org/cannibalism.htm]http://www.chinasucks.org/cannibalism.htm[/url]

Binyan, Liu. 1993. An unnatural disaster. New York review of books. Vol. XI. 3-6. [review of Zheng Yi's book, A Part of History, and manuscript, Red Memorial; cannibalism; famine; China (1966 cultural revolution)]

Edric

2003-08-12 11:41 | User Profile

I see that the BNP is going into the mainstream. It seems they turned from people that serve the native British (European and Europid British) to corrupt politicians aiming at a seat of power.

na Gaeil is gile

2003-08-12 13:07 | User Profile

Originally posted by friedrich braun+Aug 11 2003, 19:05 -->

QUOTE (friedrich braun @ Aug 11 2003, 19:05 )

What the hell is happening to the BNP? IS the BNP promoting race mixing now (i.e., genocide)? This is the most disturbing development I've read in a long while.* <!--QuoteBegin-Edric@Aug 12 2003, 05:41 * I see that the BNP is going into the mainstream. It seems they turned from people that serve the native British (European and Europid British) to corrupt politicians aiming at a seat of power. Steady on you two. When did a Searchlight article become a good basis to pass judgement? BNP basing is the domain of agents provocateur and WN dinosaurs. The BNP is a White nationalist party with a White nationalist agenda, their increasing populist approach may not be to everyone’s tastes but it gets results. Repeat: In group good. Out group bad. In group good. Out group bad. In group good. Out group bad. Edana 2003-08-12 15:58 | User Profile Well, once again, let’s get something straight. We’re not going to impose laws against miscegenation, still less persecute anybody.... We will replace promotion with rejection, but we cannot introduce persecution. This is not a promotion of race-mixing. This is common sense. Openly supporting the imposition of such a law without the necessary groundwork behind it is total folly. Forbidden Fruit allure will cause race mixing and a law will create support of it. Instead of being viewed as simple skanks, race-mixers will then be viewed as heroic martyrs against an "unjust law". Joy. Slowly clearing out the refugees and reducing the non-White population will reduce it. Campaigns to re-introduce pride in one's own people into society and Amish "shunning" techniques are a better solution than Thou Shalt Not legislation, IMO. clairyoungii 2003-08-12 16:04 | User Profile :huh: I guess I don't see a problem with race mixing. I am white & am married to a white female, but have dated girls who were asian and would date girls of any other racial or cultural background. Rob Texas Dissident 2003-08-12 16:16 | User Profile *Originally posted by clairyoungii@Aug 12 2003, 11:04 * ** ...and would date girls of any other racial or cultural background. ** Yes, but how would your wife feel about that? B) Paleoleftist 2003-08-12 17:41 | User Profile Originally posted by Edana@Aug 12 2003, 09:58 * ** > Well, once again, let’s get something straight. We’re not going to impose laws against miscegenation, still less persecute anybody.... We will replace promotion with rejection, but we cannot introduce persecution.* This is not a promotion of race-mixing. This is common sense. ** Bingo. friedrich braun 2003-08-12 19:59 | User Profile I asked a friend who's an active member of the BNP to comment: **The BNP is publicly positioned as a moderate "anti-immigration" party. Its policy is to stop immigration, start voluntary repatriation, and not speak too loudly about what will happen to the ones who don't go back when asked and/or those of mixed race who don't want to leave. The core activists are White Nationalist and understand perfectly well that this leaves unanswered questions. The questions should not be asked at this time. And there is an extensive response to the matter written by Griffin at [url=http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/race_reality.htm]http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/race_reality.htm[/url] Quote: But here comes the point which we perhaps haven’t made clearly enough up until now: Those non-Europeans who stay will have British passports and will be protected by our laws, but they will be regarded as permanent guests, and not as native English, Scots, Welsh or Irish, because such status springs from blood and not from printers’ ink. If that’s Politically Incorrect, that’s just tough. So what of those who mix? Well, once again, let’s get something straight. We’re not going to impose laws against miscegenation, still less persecute anybody, but neither do we subscribe to the convenient fiction that it’s a good thing. It is not, it is a bad thing, and we condemn it, as genuine nationalists of all cultures condemn it because it destroys their own people too. There is a close analogy here with homosexuality. No one knows what causes some individuals to do what the majority of any healthy society places on a scale somewhere between distasteful and abhorrent, but some individuals will behave in that way whatever the bulk of popular opinion. But there is a world of difference between having a very small proportion of the population behave such ways because that is their natural inclination, and the present circumstances where such “alternative lifestyle choices” are presented as valid – even superior – by the most powerful behavioural modification programme in human history.** Paleoleftist 2003-08-12 21:38 | User Profile *Originally posted by Leland Gaunt@Aug 12 2003, 15:25 * ** I want my country to be as white as it was 1900. No, I want it to be whiter. No Jews, no negroes, no turks - nothing but our own people! There can be no compromise at all. ** I also want a lot of things, but I am not going to get them all- welcome to reality! NO COMPROMISE = WE LOSE. Btw, your country? Last time we had a discussion you talked about the wonderful idea to downgrade "your country" to a province -a policy I find as unpatriotic and treasonous as mass immigration. friedrich braun 2003-08-12 22:52 | User Profile It's important to keep in mind that the mag. "Searchlight" (from whence the piece on the BNP was taken) is an anti-BNP Jew-communist rag. Of course, the story looks legitimate (not the commentary). Paleoleftist 2003-08-12 22:52 | User Profile *Originally posted by Leland Gaunt@Aug 12 2003, 15:51 * ** By groveling and whining that "we cant have what we want anyway..." will not change anything. and what the hell are you talking about? Where did I say I want my country to become a "Province"? Province of whom? I am German and I want it's freedom and sovreignty. Learn to read! ** Understanding that some approaches are more acceptable than others is not "grovelling and whining". Btw, your approach would simply not be acceptable to ME, not only to the population-at-large. For 50.000 people to order everybody else around at gunpoint is not only a catastrophic idea of government, it also simply won´t happen. If you can´t work out -or agree with!- a plan that a substantial part of your own people will support, then you can as well kiss our future good-bye. I am intrigued by the soundness of the Griffin approach. Among other things, he is realizing that an extremist "British National Party" would be a contradiction in itself, since the Brits are especially averse to extremism, always have been. Extremism is by definition anti-British, just as your Anschluß-II phantasy is by definition anti-Austrian. As I told you: If you are a German citizen, forget about annexing Austria, we aren´t interested. If you happen to be Austrian, you are not a patriot, in my book, because my country isn´t Germany. Anyways, good luck to sell to the Germans the idea that the should be ordered around again by an Austrian. I wouldn´t be too surprised, however, if they are not too hot about it. friedrich braun 2003-08-12 23:58 | User Profile Quick question: I've heard of paleoconservatives; what's a paleoleftist? friedrich braun 2003-08-13 00:38 | User Profile Griffin> So what of those who mix? Well, once again, let’s get something straight. We’re not going to impose laws against miscegenation, still less persecute anybody, but neither do we subscribe to the convenient fiction that it’s a good thing. It is not, it is a bad thing, and we condemn it, as genuine nationalists of all cultures condemn it because it destroys their own people too. Weasel words. Something bothers me about Griffin's article: if miscegenation is a "bad thing" because "it destroys" biologically your people (similar in effect to genocide), than why not have laws against it? Of course, we don't know what he really thinks; however, he should trod carefuly in his pursuit of "moderation", otherwise he might sound like just another opportunistic "party hack", and nothing more. Why vote BNP, if we're to get more of the same? Only 60 years ago, many liberal democracies (US included) had anti-mescegenation statutes on their books; how "radical" was that? I reject today's definition, shoved down our throats, of what the Jew media, academia, entertainment industry, etc. deems "acceptable." Paleoleftist 2003-08-13 00:47 | User Profile *Originally posted by friedrich braun@Aug 12 2003, 17:58 * ** Quick question: I've heard of paleoconservatives; what's a paleoleftist? ** Short answer: Pre-Frankfurt School economical leftist somewhat out of sync with what is currently considered "left-wing". I invented the term myself, but, who knows? -it may yet become a trend. I sure hope so. My relationship to the conformist left is a bit similar to OD-relationship to Neocons. Long answer: I have discussed this some time ago in more depth, in this thread: [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=7100&hl=]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...wtopic=7100&hl=[/url] Paleoleftist 2003-08-13 01:01 | User Profile *Originally posted by friedrich braun@Aug 12 2003, 18:38 * ** Something bothers me about Griffin's article: if miscegenation is a "bad thing" becaus "it destroys" biologically your people (similar in effect to genocide), than why not have laws against it? ** Prohibition. Some laws create more problems than they solve. If the BNP want to solve the problems without a civil war, they cannot possibly be an inch more radical than they are. As far as one can tell from the distance, they do not give me the impression of opportunism at all. Edana 2003-08-13 01:37 | User Profile Brits can either get a nationalist party in power by toning down rhetoric and not coming off as people who want to impose totalitarian rule over the "lemmings" or they can maintain ideological purity in a small bunker somewhere while the refugees keep pourin' in. It's not about toning down rhetoric to appease Jews, it's about not scaring off your own people so you can take your country back. Ride on the issues your people identify with and support. They don't like the refugees. Why alienate your own people by stirring up the natural resentment that occurs when politicians try to legislate into personal lives? Why not focus on re-introducing the ethnic pride which is necessary for discouraging race-mixing in the first place, instead of contemptously acting like the "lemmings" are so mindless and inept that they'll rampantly copulate with the foreigners without a law and then miraculously stop with the stroke of the legislative pen, without any rebellion at all. mwdallas 2003-08-13 01:58 | User Profile **Something bothers me about Griffin's article: if miscegenation is a "bad thing" becaus "it destroys" biologically your people (similar in effect to genocide), than why not have laws against it? ** If the BNP manages to achieve power, anti-miscegenation laws will be superfluous. friedrich braun 2003-08-13 02:02 | User Profile We, in the West, legislate private morality all the time (it's called the Criminal Code). When the anti-miscegenation statute was introduced at Nuremberg, there was hardly a protest coming from the German volk. Why? Because back then such a law was fundamentally uncontroversial; people still had pride in who they were. And how about the US? Many (most) states had eugenic, anti-miscegenation statutes on their books. I don't remember reading anywhere about negative feelings expressed by the American public regarding these said racial hygiene laws. People do not have an inherent right to engage in activity that will irrevocably destroy their race. Racial Diversity and Intermarriage **Legion Europa believes that racial inter-marriage is a negative phenomenon, and should be discouraged. From the cohesive, group point of view - the view shared by most of the pro-Euro movement - the reasons for this disapproval are obvious. We view the European peoples as our ingroup, in competition with other groups. Our ultimate interest is the survival and advancement of European genes and phenotypes. Mixing of European peoples with non-European peoples destroys the unique European phenotypes and dilutes the genetic structure of the European peoples. In terms of numbers, Europeans world-wide are in a demographic crisis, and we need to maximize our reproductive success. Each inter-racial marriage that involves a Euro partner means fewer Euros produced in the next generation, furthering the death of our people. And, given that some of these hybrids may become absorbed into the remaining European-derived population, alien genes will become incorporated in the Euro gene-pool, propagating at the expense of European-derived genes, and altering the phenotypic structure of our folk. In addition, from a sociological point of view, inter-marriage dissolves group loyalty and cultural cohesiveness and renders Euro societies more prone to invasion - both physical and memetic - from alien peoples and cultures. But, all of the above are arguments common to movement activism. While we at Legion Europa eschew selfish individualism, we recognize that people are, to some extent, motivated by individual concerns. Can we make arguments against inter-marriage that have validity at the individual level? Yes. Looking at the situation from an objective, scientific point of view, the ultimate goal of life is to reproduce and pass one's genes on to the next generation. That is what is termed "reproductive fitness", "Darwinian fitness", or just plain "fitness" in the sense described here. The term "inclusive fitness" is important. One's "inclusive fitness" is not only represented by the success of one's own genes, but by that of, for example, one's relatives who share a certain percentage of genes with oneself. Thus, the reproductive success of one's siblings, cousins, etc. can be considered a more dilute aspect of any individual's "inclusive fitness." This can be expanded to the ethnic group, race, etc. as well - the more similar another person is to you, the higher the probability of sharing variant genes, and the more "inclusive fitness" you would have from their reproductive success. What has that to do with marriage? A child inherits 50% of its genes from each parent. Thus, your child would have a 50% genetic input from you. What about the other 50%? Well, choosing a mate ethno-racially similar to yourself increases the chances that your mate will share a similar genetic structure to you, and thus pass on to your children genes more similar to your own - thus further enhancing the inclusive fitness advantage you obtain from your offspring. Marrying someone of a completely different race would have the opposite effect. Thus, from a "selfish" genetic standpoint, INTRA-racial marriage is superior to INTER-racial marriage. Well, then, you may argue: who sits around and figures genetic fitness interests in their choice of mate? However, phenotype is a fairly reliable indicator of underlying genotype, and thus phenotypic considerations come into play. The point here is: most people would prefer that their children look somewhat like them, for there to be a phenotypic similarity. Think about it. Would you truly and fully be comfortable with your child looking nothing like you - which would be the usual case resulting from a racially mixed marriage? A liberal may say "I do not care, it's my child." Perhaps. But, over time, will you not miss out at seeing the similarities between your child and yourself, and with your own parents? Marrying within the Euro race will create children that you can easily identify with - and MORE IMPORTANTLY - will create children who can easily identify with you. And, even without children to think about - would you be comfortable - truly and fully comfortable - with a racially alien spouse? Would you be truly and fully comfortable with someone who, most likely, looks nothing like you and the family you grew up with? In times good and in times bad, isn't it better to see features which are familiar and re-assuring than features which are alien? There is also the matter of cultural incompatibility. The P.C. crowd says "we are all the same", but that is incorrect. The more racially different a potential spouse the more potential there is for culture-clash. This creates un-needed frictions in marriage, can cause identity crises in children above and beyond the more immediate problems caused by phenotypic differences, and can also cause problems between the families of the spouses. "Diversity" causes chaos - in families as well as in societies. Some folks think that such a thing as "hybrid vigor" may exist in the offspring of inter-racial marriages. There is no evidence for this; in fact, the historical record suggests the opposite. The achievements of highly racially mixed populations are not impressive. New World populations which are mixtures of Euros with Negroes and/or Amerindians lag behind European populations in virtually every index of health, well-being, and intelligence. "Hybrid vigor" is likely to result from the mixing of similar but slightly different populations - different European populations for example. However, mixing highly varied populations may cause some sort of "genetic discordance", resulting in decreased vitality. In summary, there is no evidence whatsoever for biologically beneficial outcomes from racial admixture. Therefore, a person should not expect to produce "superior" children as a result of admixture. There is absolutely no evidence to support that view. For example, racial groups other than Jews and Orientals have lower average IQs than Euros, thus Euro mating with these other groups may produce children with IQs lower than that of Euro-Euro mating. While Jews and Orientals may have high average IQs, they differ from Euros in other ways, physically, behaviorally, etc. to an extent that any benefit of high IQ would probably be offset by negatives. And of course, such matings would have the potential of producing all of the individual and group difficulties listed above. And, of course, Eurasians are not Euros, and thus are not part of our ingroup. If more and more Euros start joining an Euro-only genetically closed ingroup, then any offspring you produce from a mixed marriage would be cut off from this group. In other words, your progeny would be cut off from Euro bioculture. As racial problems world-wide increase, this is a possibility. Also a possibility is that racially-mixed people would have to "choose" between their backgrounds in any future race-based conflicts. All such problems can be avoided if the individual marries within the race. For more idealistic people: the long view. You can be viewed as part of a chain linking your ancestors in the mists of time to your descendants into the future. You are Euro because of the mating choices of your ancestors. It is up to you, and to your progeny, to keep that chain intact, to keep the Euro bloodline going. One individual, by choosing inter-marriage, will break this chain. Is there any reason to do that? Any reason to disregard the wisdom of your ancestors, and to disregard the reality of the link that could connect future generations to those in the past? Purely selfish people may not care, but an individual with respect for themselves and for their family and for their heritage would want to continue was has been maintained for so many centuries. Thus, these are the rationales for marrying within the race-- rationales suited for individual interest. The choice of a mate is the most important choice a person is likely to make in their life. For their own good, and the good of their people, we do hope they choose carefully and wisely.** [url=http://www.legioneuropa.org/Racediv/intermar.htm]http://www.legioneuropa.org/Racediv/intermar.htm[/url] Edana 2003-08-13 02:16 | User Profile You're thinking in the bunker, disconnected from the present. mwdallas is right. If the BNP comes to power, a law against race-mixing will not be necessary. It's the general attitude and beliefs of the population that matter in this issue, not laws. Coming out for laws in this issue will only hold the BNP back so that the Brits may never regain their country. I don't see a coup or violent uprising in Britain's near future, so let the BNP try the Political War for the time being. I'm not talking about "rights". I'm talking politics. Paleoleftist 2003-08-14 00:55 | User Profile *Originally posted by Leland Gaunt@Aug 12 2003, 22:49 * ** Having the choice between death - or screwing a white-woman, I am sure the Negro will prefere to keep his hands off our people. It might not sound to good and "democratic" - but once you have power, that isn't relevant anymore. ** You overlook a tiny, small thing: You will never get any power with proposals like these. As to the rest: OOOPS, I overlooked the nonsense you posted in the other thread, but it´s answered now. Btw: If "nation" and "state" is not the same, as you maintain, what´s the problem? As long as you agree you are not against the Austrian state, then the question if Austrians are part of a fictitious "Greater German Nation" is academic, and I´ll let it rest, because I have more important things to do than discussing conceptualizations void of practical content. :) friedrich braun 2003-08-14 01:10 | User Profile Originally posted by mwdallas@Aug 12 2003, 19:58 * ** > *Something bothers me about Griffin's article: if miscegenation is a "bad thing" becaus "it destroys" biologically your people (similar in effect to genocide), than why not have laws against it? ** If the BNP manages to achieve power, anti-miscegenation laws will be superfluous. ** You mean the National Socialists needed them, but Griffin's team won't? :rolleyes: Edana 2003-08-14 03:29 | User Profile Gaunt, why do you argue as if the BNP were already in power? na Gaeil is gile 2003-08-15 12:41 | User Profile In related bad news for liberals, whiggers, pakis and hardline White nationalists the BNP has [url=http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/2003_august/news_aug09.htm]won[/url] another council seat. Paleoleftist 2003-08-15 22:15 | User Profile *Originally posted by na Gaeil is gile@Aug 15 2003, 06:41 * ** In related bad news for liberals, whiggers, pakis and hardline White nationalists the BNP has won another council seat. ** Don´t do that to me! Do you want me to choke? :lol: :lol: Conservative 2003-08-16 02:33 | User Profile I have stated before that Whites are genetically built to be multiracialist/multiculturalist. In other words, Whites are genetically unfit for existance. Thus, we will be replaced by better races that are more fit for the current environment. Regards, Ares Bardamu 2003-08-16 03:46 | User Profile Generally speaking, groups that share territory eventually share genes. There is only one way to stop miscegenation and that is by territorial seperation. That is the only way. I can think of one example where the above statement is not true, as in the case of Australian aborigines, but for the most part, if the White race is to survive we must not live in a multiracial country.