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Thread ID: 8954 | Posts: 19 | Started: 2003-08-11
2003-08-11 13:04 | User Profile
If we lose this fight we'll at least have the small consolation of knowing that the same thing will likely happen someday to Bush's ranch in Crawford, Tx.
IAN Smith's Gwenoro Farm in Shurugwi has now been listed for compulsory acquisition under the on-going land reform programme, a move that could spark more international condemnation of President Robert Mugabe's government.
The Standard has established that the 4000-acre Gwenoro farm, a cattle ranch in Shurugwi which is the former Rhodesian leader's sole farm, has been included in the latest list of properties earmarked for compulsory acquisition by the government.
John Wolfwick, vice chairman of Justice for Agriculture (JAG), a militant organisation that represents some white commercial farmers whose farms were seized by Mugabe's government since 2000 for the resettlement of landless blacks, confirmed that Gwenoro farm was "sectioned" for acquisition.
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1977: Smith keeps power in Rhodesia
Ian Smith's ruling Rhodesian Front has won an overwhelming victory in the country's general election.
The party made a clean sweep of all the 50 seats reserved for whites in the 66-seat parliament.
**The result represents a decisive defeat for 12 right-wingers who split from Mr Smith's party because of his plans for constitutional change.
Mr Smith advocates a phased introduction to black-majority rule.**
Last year he accepted a US plan to introduce black rule to Rhodesia within two years.
However, the newly-formed Rhodesian Action Party campaigned on an anti-majority rule platform.
Their defeat in all the seats they contested is seen as strengthening Mr Smith's position.
Ideas being proposed by Britain and America which call for a swift transition to black rule were backed by the left-of-centre National Unifying Force.
Speaking after the election count, Mr Smith told journalists he believed the scale of his victory would give him more leverage to produce an internal settlement.
"I am satisfied it has strengthened my hand tremendously. Nobody but a fool would disregard the kind of result we witnessed today," Mr Smith said.
But the prime minister promised to give the Anglo-American proposals careful consideration.
Mr Smith said: "No matter how unpalatable at first sight, we will give them very careful thorough consideration and investigation before attempting to pass judgement."
In spite of Mr Smith's preference for a phased handover to black rule, Wednesday's election is widely expected to be the last time a white-majority parliament will be returned in Rhodesia.
Under the current voting system, the country's 85,000 white voters elect 50 white MPs.
However, just eight black MPs are elected to represent the country's 6m black people - because only 7,000 of them are eligible to vote.
Ian Smith has been Rhodesia's prime minister since 1964.
He unilaterally declared independence from Britain the following year.
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2003-08-11 22:00 | User Profile
Ideas being proposed by Britain and America which call for a swift transition to black rule were backed by the left-of-centre National Unifying Force. = Democrats
Mr Smith advocates a phased introduction to black-majority rule. = Freepers
However, the newly-formed Rhodesian Action Party campaigned on an anti-majority rule platform. = White Nationalists
The parallels are striking. Of course, we now know who was right.
2003-08-11 22:55 | User Profile
Recluse,
Ian Smith was not a bad person, but sadly he had the Liberal view and thought that the "White Man" could Civilize the Savage, or "The White Man's Burden." This has always been a foolish idea. If only people would take Kipling warning to hart.
**The White Man's Burden By Rudyard Kipling
McClure's Magazine 12 (Feb. 1899).
Take up the White Man's burden-- Send forth the best ye breed-- Go, bind your sons to exile To serve your captives' need; To wait, in heavy harness, On fluttered folk and wild-- Your new-caught sullen peoples, Half devil and half child.
Take up the White Man's burden-- In patience to abide, To veil the threat of terror And check the show of pride; By open speech and simple, An hundred times made plain, To seek another's profit And work another's gain.
Take up the White Man's burden-- The savage wars of peace-- Fill full the mouth of Famine, And bid the sickness cease; And when your goal is nearest (The end for others sought) Watch sloth and heathen folly Bring all your hope to nought.
Take up the White Man's burden-- No iron rule of kings, But toil of serf and sweeper-- The tale of common things. The ports ye shall not enter, The roads ye shall not tread, Go, make them with your living And mark them with your dead.
Take up the White Man's burden, And reap his old reward-- The blame of those ye better The hate of those ye guard-- The cry of hosts ye humour (Ah, slowly!) toward the light:-- "Why brought ye us from bondage, Our loved Egyptian night?"
Take up the White Man's burden-- Ye dare not stoop to less-- Nor call too loud on Freedom To cloak your weariness. By all ye will or whisper, By all ye leave or do, The silent sullen peoples Shall weigh your God and you.
Take up the White Man's burden! Have done with childish days-- The lightly-proffered laurel, The easy ungrudged praise: Comes now, to search your manhood Through all the thankless years, Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom, The judgment of your peers.
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Some new this even back then!
**Civilize them with a Krag
Damn, damn, damn the Filipinos! Cut throat khakiac ladrones! Underneath the starry flag, Civilize them with a Krag*, And return us to our beloved home.
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I say put down the White Man's Burden!
2003-08-19 20:53 | User Profile
I an Smith was a great man, and a Rhodesian Nationalist who held out to the end. He has no resemblance whatsoever to George W. Bush. Please refrain from insulting someone of whom you obviously know very little.
2003-08-19 20:57 | User Profile
Originally posted by Recluse@Aug 11 2003, 16:00 * ** Ideas being proposed by Britain and America which call for a swift transition to black rule were backed by the left-of-centre National Unifying Force.* = Democrats
Mr Smith advocates a phased introduction to black-majority rule. = Freepers
However, the newly-formed Rhodesian Action Party campaigned on an anti-majority rule platform. = White Nationalists
The parallels are striking. Of course, we now know who was right. **
There are no "paralells". Anyone who thinks that 4% Whites could keep control in a country that's 95% black is, in my opinion, an idiot. To add to the fact that the Whites were outnumbered 20 to 1, Soviet backed guerillas from Angola and Mozambique were poised to invade Rhodesia en masse. In any case, Mr. Smith and the Rhodesian Front held out till the bitter end. What Mr. Smith proposed was the most realistic program at the time. Your ignorance is absolutely astounding. Please learn about a subject before spewing absolute tripe about it.
ââ¬ÅI cannot see in my lifetime that the Africans will be sufficiently mature and reasonable to take over.ââ¬Â --the honorable Ian Douglas Smith, last prime minister of Rhodesia.
2003-08-19 21:15 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Prodigal Son@Aug 19 2003, 14:57 * ** Your ignorance is absolutely astounding. Please learn about a subject before spewing absolute tripe about it.
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f*ck you. Anyone who lived in a country full of 65 IQ negroes who didn't see that it was imperative to resist negro rule till the very end was a moron. No compromise and no surrender was the only solution. That's sometlhing I've always instinctively known since I was a child, no matter where I was politically, you weak son-of-a- bitch.
2003-08-19 21:56 | User Profile
Originally posted by Recluse@Aug 19 2003, 15:15 * ** fck you.**
Very mature response.
** Anyone who lived in a country full of 65 IQ negroes who didn't see that it was imperative to resist negro rule till the very end was a moron.**
Smith did resist Negro rule till the last possible moment. There is only so much resisting he could do when the Rhodesians were outnumbered 20 to 1 and heavily armed savages were poised to invade the country.
** No compromise and no surrender was the only solution. **
LOL, so its better to watch the Negroes rape and cannibalize your daughters rather than fight honorably, surrender when reason demands it, and set sail for a better land?
2003-08-20 02:36 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Leland Gaunt@Aug 19 2003, 19:33 * ** Sorry prodigal, but that is rather a defaitist aproach. Being outnumbered by 95% isn't a reason to give in. The only option is to shift the balance.
a) Get more whites to settle
B) Reduce the black through all means. Yeha, "Genocide" doesnt sound so nice - but as Stalin once siad: "If one person dies its a tragedy. If millions die it's statistics". **
You know, you are making sometimes quite a good case for the other side. :blink:
If the original NS types thought like you, then maybe most of the crimes attributed to them are true. :thd:
2003-08-29 21:03 | User Profile
Originally posted by Leland Gaunt@Aug 19 2003, 19:33 * *Sorry prodigal, but that is rather a defaitist aproach. Being outnumbered by 95% isn't a reason to give in. The only option is to shift the balance.
a) Get more whites to settle**
That's not as simple as it sounds. The Rhodesian government did encourage immigration from abroad, but very few people wanted to live in a nation that was a war zone, condemned for 'civil rights abuses', and where the White minority was outnumbered 20 to 1. There was also the issue of creating social services to help the immigrants assimilate, as well as issues of employment. For example, between 1989 and 1994, the South African government strongly encouraged the immigration of anti-communist Russians and Eastern Europeans into the country. Unfortunately, only around 100,000 immigrants ever arrived, and many of those who did were in fact liberal Jews. Shifting the balance isn't as easy as it seems.
B) Reduce the black through all means. Yeha, "Genocide" doesnt sound so nice - but as Stalin once siad: "If one person dies its a tragedy. If millions die it's statistics".
My moral objections to genocide notwithstanding, this also isn't nearly as simple as it seems. There were only 250,000 Whites in Rhodesia when they were most numerous. The country simply lacked the intellectual capital and research facilities required to develop biological weapons.
2003-08-30 11:37 | User Profile
Ian Smith is and always has been a man of honour. I have spoken to him personally and always will stand in awe of someone who had the courage to stand defiant in the face of opposition from powerful forces at the time.
If you speak to any member of the Rhodesian Rifles or Selous Scouts, they will confirm this. What befell Rhodesia also befell South Africa, and that was betrayal, both from within and also from so called supportive nations of the West.
The Bush War in Rhodesia took its toll and due to international pressure but also betrayal within the then Smith government, they had no choice eventually but to stand back and allow the first of many processes which eventually led to today's situation in Zimbabwe. A country 'led' by a mad dog who is not really interested in the welfare of the Zimbabwean people. The whole current farce is not about land, its about greed and one man's ambition to stay in power and to chase the last Whites from the country.
What you are seeing now is in fact the result of manipulating going on in the hallowed halls of power, both in Britain as well as the US. There was never any racism in Rhodesia. I was there many times and the Rhodesian people were a friendly, hospitable people who went out of their way to make you feel at home. They lived harmoneously and the country was known until even as late as two to three years ago, as the bread basket of Southern Africa.
It was Mugabe who eventually screeched 'racism' at every turn, in order to deflect the real problem which he himself was perpetuating, namely his fear of having to leave office and the very real possibility of facing charges of war crimes. As is the case with so many of the African leaders, he is desperate to stay in power and remain head honcho among the African leaders. Oh yes, there is such a thing as a pecking order here. And right now, Mugabe leads the pack. That is also one of the reasons he will not be touched by the rest of the southern African leaders. For one, they mostly fought together during their so called liberation struggles, and secondly many of them hear the support of Mugabe among their own political supporters, and are therefore loathe to go against the grain for fear of losing support.
Ian Smith was held in high esteem by many many Rhodesians, and still is, except those liberals who fought him to enable the likes of Mugabe to take over the reigns of government. Most of those liberals have left the country or are in total shock right now to see how the once proud nation is on its last legs.
As for staying in power, it was a total no go. Not only were the enemies of Rhodesia lined up on the borders, the international community had given it the thumbs down. You cannot hold out against the whole world. It is just totally impossible. The Rhodesians had the best bush fighters in the world, but you can't keep up a fight like that without support from outside the country.
Mugabe has been desperate to take over Ian Smith's land and that in itself will send out a message to those who support his policies, that Mugabe is successful. But what the price of that percieved success is, is something the less educated fail to understand.
The misery and destruction Mugabe has foisted on Zimbabwe is something that will haunt us all in time to come.
Last Outpost
2003-08-31 15:00 | User Profile
Thoughts on South Africa:
South Africa used to be a Republic like ours used to be (we live in an Oligarchy now, but that's another subject for another time), and was a fairly pleasant place to live. So much so, I even gave much thought to relocating and joining SAPS (much prior experience in Law Enforcement), back before F.W. got ousted and Mandella took over and things went downhill fast.
I have a couple of friends who currently live in SA.. one in Pretoria and one in Jo'burg. From what they tell me, and from what little information leaks out of SA these days (not from big Western media, though.. they invested too much in making Mandella, and his replacement, into saints to admit they were wrong in the extreme now), SA is now a very bad place to be. The murder rate is 10 times what it is here in the US and is rated as the most dangerous place to live outside of war-zones anywhere in the world. The entire SAPS is corrupt in the extreme and just about everyone goes about armed. Civillians live in modern versions of mideval walled encampments, complete with mastiffs and Rhodesian Ridgeback dogs. The city of Jo'burg can't even float a loan to fix their streets or replace streetlights that burn out. There is a concerted effort not only to drive white farmers off their lands, and, if that does not work, to kill them outright-women, children, everyone. I meet more and more Expat South Africaaners who moved here to escape the terror in their own land and without exception, they are professionals: Chemical and Mechanical Engineers, Doctors, Nurses.. in other words, only those with enough money, smarts and luck to escape.
I have read 'Cry, the Beloved Country' (the book that literally put SA into the world spotlight) and the letter from the author's widow tentatively titled 'Die, the Beloved Country' documenting why she is fleeing SA, literally, for her life.
I am reasonably well-travelled, having been stationed or conducted operations in several countries around the world, including Namibia, Moldovia, Columbia, Panama, Honduras and all over Western Europe, so I feel fairly well qualified to have an opinion on this matter, and if the Left that bullied SA into renouncing themselves as a Republic and adopting Socialism and Communism (Mandella is an avowed Communist, and has even written a children's schoolbook entitled: 'How to be a good Communist') had a shred of backbone or intestinal fortitude, they would admit they were all 100% wrong, and should be howling for the UN to occupy SA in light of the atrocities that have happened under Mandella's, and his successor's, regime. More's the pity, it USED to be a good Republic. Now, I caution my friends who are going to visit not to go if they value their lives. The only time you ever hear about SA in the Western Press is when some singer like Bono from U2 or Peter Gabriel or some potentate from the US visits to throw a benefit concert, and the Left kowtows, drools and fawns all over them in a sham PR piece designed to make Westerners feel good about themselves for pushing another country to the brink of genocide and civil war. Feh.
Ausonius
PS Best of luck to you, Last Outpost. If you want to relocate to the US, my home here in the Commonwealth of Kentucky is open to you.
2003-08-31 16:57 | User Profile
Hi Ausonius
Reading your post, it is pretty obvious that you know your way around the Southern Africa scene, to your credit. I too come from a background with SAPS, though as a reserve. As you say, they are corrupted to the hilt and thoroughly infiltrated by the union, Popcru. The good ones have left long ago and those that are there now are basically just biding their time until they get their retirement package.
In 19945/95 I was part of a team to audit all the police stations with a view to implementing the 'new' police image with Community Police Forums. Every single police station at the time was understaffed, underresourced and underpaid. Full reports were sent to governmental agencies at the time, and to date nothing has been done to rectify this situation. CPF's were up and running very soon, but, whilst I initially believed in that system of having a partnership between communities and police, I don't believe in it anymore. As far as I'm concerned there is no partnership, never was. The whole idea is just to fleece the community of more money. It is every citizen's constitutional right to be protected by the government. But, as you correctly say, law enforcement is a joke, a pathetic one at that, and there's little doubt that we are the crime capital of the world, the rape capital of the world, drugs are being pushed at an alarming rate and we won't even talk about Aids.
You are right when you say that our farmers are being killed. Since 1994 almost 1500 farmers have been murdered. Most of these murders involve torture for hours on end before they are eventually killed.
The infrastructure is crumbling, but because we had a very strong infrastructure here, it is taking a long time to crack. On the surface all appears to be normal, but you are correct when you say that we are living behind high walls with electrified fences and guard dogs. I live in Johannesburg and have two Rottweilers who patrol the property. In addition to this we live in a 'boomed off' area.
We still have many tourists who come here, as its still relatively cheap to travel in SA. But people are warned to be careful not to go out at night on their own and also to stay in groups.
The situation in Zimbabwe is having an effect on the greater southern Africa region and you can imagine that there are increasing numbers of Zimbabweans who are fleeing across the border, while they still can. The members of the ruling party there are relatively well off, as they still get paid (don't ask me how) and are able to access food and other items they need (I leave that to your imagination) and if you are part of Mugabe's despotic government, then you're very well off. You just go and shop in SA. Nobody really cares about the average Mr or Mrs citizen of Zimbabwe right now.
But what is happening there is the blueprint for South Africa, no doubt about that.
I thank you for your generous offer. It is appreciated. However, to get from here to there is the problem. I'm sure you know why.
Last Outpost.
2003-08-31 21:59 | User Profile
Last Outpost,
I read your last post with interest, however, I must qualify what I said earlier. It was not my intent to run down SA in general. If you are like any SA'er (and LEA to boot) you are probably as much of a flag waver as I am when it comes to your country, and if what I said came off sounding insulting, then I apologize (you may or may not have taken offense, but I'm just trying to be civil and remain a gentleman through gritted teeth when I think about what has happened in SA).
There are those of us here in the US who are quietly looking around at other countries where 'diversity' and 'multiculturalism' have been pushed to the extreme, and we wonder if we are next.
You are correct in that what is happening in Zimbabwe is what's in store for SA, of this I have little doubt. I saw the same thing happening in South America when I was there in the 90's. The people fleeing Zimbabwe now are going to, and have been, changing the demographic of your country. For Mugabe to not take advantage of this golden opportunity to dump every 'undesireable' on another country would be ludicrous, not to mention the opportunity to seed enough of his own operatives under the color of 'refugees' in SA for the specific purpose of sowing discord, or bolster the ANC, with whom he's pretty cozy. We're seeing the same thing here in the US with regards to illegal immigrants from Mexico.
Our President is fairly good buddies with Mexico's President Fox. Right now I believe he's trying to float some sort of 'amnesty' for the illegals to make them all legal citizens of the US. A couple of things:
If you enter this country illegally (swim, crawl, parachute, pole vault or float over on a raft with two goats and a green leisure suit), you are a criminal. Period. End of story. I spent 10 years in uniform defending this Republic (and lost the full use of my legs and spine for it) and to 'amnesty' 3 million illegals will accomplish several things. First will be to piss me off royally. Second is it will make American Citizenship a punchline to a bad joke, basically worthless. Third will be to change, for the worse, the entire demographic of the entire American Southwest, making whites a minority (if they are not already), flooding the potential workforce with non-whites, depressing the entire economic region and causing a mass-exodus away from the Southwest (it's already underway). This could be a very bad harbinger of things to come.
If you look at Comrade Mao's rules for revolution, there are 3 things you need to effect a successful one:
1) An area for insurgents to operate out of, preferably mountains, thick jungle or heavily forested areas. The American Southwest is nothing but rugged wilderness.
2) An adjacent country to flee into, preferably one who is sympathetic to the insurgents' cause and possibly willing to provide material support. Mexico qualifies in the extreme. It's close, called 'home' by almost all the illegals, and the border is almost unpatrolled in most areas. What little patrolling that IS done, is done by an undermanned and overwhelmed Border Patrol.
3) A fairly large portion of the population which is either A) composed of mostly co-nationals of the insurgents or B) composed of enough co-nationals that beating up on the locals who might be opposed to their activities will be overlooked or played down.
There are already rumblings of secession in the Southwest for the first time since 1861 (current Lt. Governor of California was a member of such a militant group before he got into politics). President Fox has already indicated that he considers Mexicans living in America allies (and not Americans) and is almost guaranteed to lend support. That our current government is probably looking for a new big force of cheap labor is no secret, but to do it at the expense of the Republic is traitorous. Fox is likely dumping everyone he can in the American Southwest: criminals, degenerates, the unskilled, the poor, radicals, militants... they breed like rats and will likely make a try for secession sometime in the next 15 years or so, given the current rate of illegal immigration. Mugabe's likely doing the same thing. No honor among thieves. That the Leftist media is not only turning a blind eye to all this, but actively ENCOURAGING it under the color of 'diversity' and 'multiculuralism' makes my skin crawl. It also makes me very afraid, since Bad Things will likely happen in my lifetime (and my son's as well, thank God he's a dual-national and has somewhere else to go).
Do you think that it is not outside the realm of possibility that Mugabe has some design on SA territory and could possibly be using this opportunity to set the stage for some future action? I know I would be if I were a power hungry tyrant bent on increasing my personal power and influence. SA's military used to be fairly stout, back about 15 years ago or so. I'm not up on what your strength is now, but I would bet even money that Zimbabwe has an edge.
By the way, if you ever did want to come over (at least to a good state.. stay away from Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, California, Oregon, and southern Florida), you could always adopt your enemies 'colors' and pretend to be one of them until you gain citizenship (or at least an H1-B visa) and then go back to how you are now. Distasteful, I know, but if you're like me, you have a family to look after, and that trumps everything else.
Ausonius
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2003-09-01 06:00 | User Profile
Ausonius
No offense taken Ausonius. I agree with most of your statements and credit you with good knowledge of the current situation in SA. It is extremely difficult for outsiders to understand exactly what is going on here in this southern most tip of a very dark continent. (Pun?) The geographics alone are confusing as many believe that Zimbabwe and South Africa are one and the same country. This region is often referred to as southern Africa, hence I believe that's where the confusion stems from. And of course many are just saying "Africa is a basket case, so why worry!". That is wrong.
There are many of us who are saying that America should heed warnings that have been given by the likes of us, that what will happen in South Africa, will be the blueprint for America. All the indicators are there. You yourself have named a few, some of them being extremely important. The issue with the open borders will be America's downfall in the long run. I'm very aware of what is happening on your borders and it is shameful. Your government thinks nothing of going off to fight wars elsewhere, which is costing the American taxpayer trillions of USDollars, but there is no interest whatsoever in guarding and protecting the ranchers on your Southwest border. Arizona, New Mexico, California are undergoing a huge demographic transformation. According to my information there are other cities where white flight has also changed the demographics there. At this point in time the country (the US) is still big enough to accommodate all of this. But there will come a time, and that time is fast approaching, when the good American will have to take a stand. You all will have to make a decision as to whether you're 'going under' in the new ship of diversity and multi-culturism or whether the frontier spirit will re-emerge among the 'sleeping giant' and the ideals of the founding fathers will determine your survival.
To some it might seem like a fat yawn. To some it might sound like foolish talk, as America is seen as the Global leader. Nothing will bring America down, many will say. I say, the cracks are there. It won't happen from the outside, it will happen from the inside. Sadly.
I was greatly saddened to read of your misfortune regarding the full use of your legs and spine. You have my sincere sympathy. It can't be easy for you and in some ways I sense a bitterness hovering within you. If this is so, I can understand that fully. Anytime you wish to talk, please don't hesitate to pm me or e-mail me. My interest is genuine. I have buried a couple of good friends whilst I was still active in the police, all of them having died in the line of duty. This line of work certainly can make one cynical and hard. I read the Border Patrol website regularly and it would seem to me that nothing less than stationing troops on the border would put a stop to the tide of illegal aliens that are streaming into your country. A good way of getting into the US if I were a terrorist with ulterior motives, I should think.
Anyone who says Communism is dead, is a fool. It is alive and well and growing. Your thoughts on Mao's revolutionary ideas are right of course. Here we have the same or similar problems. Mugabe was trained in China and our current leader of the SA government is a trained Russian marxist. According to what I have learned, the Chinese revolutionary thinking is to surround the outlying rural towns with so called 'settlers'. This of course is nothing else than the 'squatter camps'. Slowly but surely the breath of life is forced out of those towns and very soon flight is inevitable. The Russian thinking is to strengthen the unions and cause havoc in towns and bring industry and the economy to a fall. In SA this is what is happening plus the decorative squatter camps which are growing by the day as the illegals from mostly Zimbabwe, Nigeria, Zambia etc infiltrate this country. The locals are not too keen on the 'foreigners' as they are taking away their jobs. So therein also lie the ingredients for a confrontation. There have already been several. The government is against the employment of the foreigners, either domestically or on the farms. Now and again there's a blitz on the farms to arrest the illegals and fine the farmers. In the towns its basically the same. But the illegals are back within 24 hours, which should tell you how effective the border control is.
All of this is a recipe for disaster wouldn't you think? This economy will never be able to cope. And the parallels between your country and mine are amazingly similar, I'd say.
There have been some Boers who tried to get into the US, working on farms in Kansas. The INS was pretty quick to get hold of them and to my knowledge they have all been sent back to South Africa. The sad thing is, they fled this country because they have children and don't want those children growing up here. Now most of them are back here and are penniless and have to struggle to make a living. I know of some others who are applying for asylum in the US, but they have a difficult case and I'm not sure whether they will be successful. Especially the Boers would be an asset to the US as they are used to farming in a harsh environment and I understand that there are many ranches standing empty in the US. I know that many of our Boers have found a home in Australia and New Zealand. Those countries are very similar to SA. They say that Perth almost has a majority of South Africans.
Whatever the case, the immediate future for both our countries will not be without its problems. We can but hope.
Last Outpost
2003-09-01 21:07 | User Profile
Last Outpost,
A few thoughts:
Nothing will bring America down, many will say. I say, the cracks are there. It won't happen from the outside, it will happen from the inside. Sadly.
America has enjoyed an unprecedented streak of good fortune in the last 125 years, mostly due to the efforts of those good men who came before us. There are a few left, though I hesitate to resort to chest-beating and count myself among them (I hate braggarts. It isn't bragging if you can do it, but to count yourself amongst legendary men of monumental courage who gave all for what they believed in seems a bit unseemly to me, somehow). If Round 2 plays out anything like Round 1 (and during our War of Independance), the figures are thus:
20% will answer the call and stand against what I see as the forces of darkness trying to eliminate the last bastion of true Hope in the world.
60% won't give a rat's ass, so long as their 'Bread and Circuses' are not interrupted for any length of time.
20% will be for the Status Quo and fight for tyranny.
America will implode. No outside force can bring us down, not even nuclear fire. I believe we are still THAT strong. But you are correct in thinking that we will be the cause of our own undoing.
I sense a bitterness hovering within you.
Very much so. I have tried to come to grips with what I see as an 'unfair' world, but that would be personalizing an inanimate object. The World is what it is. You play the hand that God has dealt you and be thankful that you still can draw breath, unlike those close to you who cannot any longer. You carry on. But you are correct when you say I have a sense of bitterness regarding not only what has happened to me (At 35, I stand over 6 feet and weigh 235 lbs, yet I have a tough time picking up my 3 year old son), but that bitterness is exacerbated by the continuous blige being pumped out by the Media and by our 'society' every day. I sleep when I can (usually about 4 hours a night when I don't use painkillers), and when I cannot, I lay next to my wife in darkness and silently rage at the Intelligencia who preach such nonsense.. those spineless, supine moral cowards who are enjoying saying whatever they want at MY (and many others like me) expense. When we voice our opinion, we are labelled 'isolationists', racists (partially true), anti-diversity or whatever is currently trendy and dismissed out of hand as some tinfoil-hat wearing crackpot who has Bigfoot and Elvis over for a ride in the big black helicopter in whisper mode so we can spy on the Loch Ness Monster. Hogwash.
**According to what I have learned, the Chinese revolutionary thinking is to surround the outlying rural towns with so called 'settlers'. This of course is nothing else than the 'squatter camps'. Slowly but surely the breath of life is forced out of those towns and very soon flight is inevitable. **
That sounds like any city along the Southwest, especially LA. Problem is, when folks from LA leave, it's usually in hordes and they all go to one town, which they then proceed to knock into a cocked hat. They flee LA, take their problems with them, move somewhere nice (like here) and say: What do you MEAN I have to drive my kid(s) to school? What? There's no garbage pickup? Then they start turning wherever they moved to into a miniature version of LA, replete with Safety Nazis (Lexington just passed, barely, a law against smoking in BARS! Could you please be more idiotic?), outrageous taxes, graft, corruption, and outright theft of public monies. They vote themselves massive raises, get family members and cronies into secure government bureacratic jobs (where they cannot be fired, honest!), then underfund the police and fire departments and use that to leverage more taxes. If I had 100 good men, I would descend on City Hall like a Biblical Plague and force those bastards out, feet first or head first, their choice.
**There have been some Boers who tried to get into the US, working on farms in Kansas. The INS was pretty quick to get hold of them and to my knowledge they have all been sent back to South Africa. The sad thing is, they fled this country because they have children and don't want those children growing up here. Now most of them are back here and are penniless and have to struggle to make a living. I know of some others who are applying for asylum in the US, but they have a difficult case and I'm not sure whether they will be successful. Especially the Boers would be an asset to the US as they are used to farming in a harsh environment and I understand that there are many ranches standing empty in the US. I know that many of our Boers have found a home in Australia and New Zealand. Those countries are very similar to SA. They say that Perth almost has a majority of South Africans. **
More's the pity. The Boers have suffered as horribly, if not moreso, than any other group in SA. That they are outnumbered so badly is a shame. I have deep respect for them as a people and as soldiers. That they are banding together to provide some sort of resistance towards tyranny is not suprising, not to mention their own survival as a people. I see a scratch game heating up in SA, and it's going to be awful. Best thing for them to do is stockpile what they can, make as many friends overseas as they can, find a good piece of defenseable real estate, hunker down and make agressing them so costly that the M'beke (spelling correct??) government would not dare to do so. Hitler would not fck with the Swiss, even with Mussolini's dick. They were, and are, a tiny nation, but have spent the last 500 years practicing blowing bridges and laying ambushes in the event of invasion. Hitler knew this and wouldn't dare spend any of his forces against them. The Finn's too.. they not only whipped the Russians in the Winter War, they did it with a fraction of the men and resources the Russians had, and used such elegant and efficient tactics that I have adopted some myself (like waiting until the snow is blowing into your opponants face and snipe at him.. good luck squinting into the sleet and snow, asshle).
Maybe the Boers could pool what little resources they had, purchase some farmland in the US, then come over to work it and pull the same trick the Mexicans are pulling before the visa's ran out. Have a baby here. Instant citizenship for him or her, and, since there are no other relatives to care for the little ones living here in the US, the parents are granted unlimited time to stay in the US. It ain't pretty, but it works. They won't get instant citizenship, maybe never get it, but it's better than dying by machete in the middle of the night at the hands of the Dreckleute. Adopt your enemies tactics to beat him. They must a) conceive the child in SA at least 4 months before they arrive here in the US, B) DON'T TELL ANYONE about the pregnancy and c) HAVE to have the child born here. Have to.. no other way. It might not save them all, but a good amount of Boers can be rescued this way. And, it's elegant. The thought of tiny children saving a whole people. Would make a nice book, I bet.
We can but hope.
To think otherwise is defeatist. The absence of Hope is Dispair. I'm too mean and set in my ways to admit defeat and dispair at the hands of a bunch of cowards, no matter the odds or how much they push me around. I weep for my Republic, yes, rage at the bastards who are doing this to such a beautiful and promising place, but I will never, ever, under any circumstances admit I am beaten. Ever.
Ausonius
2003-09-01 21:43 | User Profile
Whites are never victims in ethnic conflicts. Ever heard about the millions of whites that had to run away from the muslim ex-Soviet republics? At least they had Russia nearby to go to.
2003-09-02 02:23 | User Profile
**Whites are never victims in ethnic conflicts. Ever heard about the millions of whites that had to run away from the muslim ex-Soviet republics? At least they had Russia nearby to go to. **
True. I have found that when one group or another picks on whites with the express purpose of beating them down or wiping them out, the world turns a blind eye. Caucasians: the last group one can safely beat up on without repercussions.
But let any group pick on some 'minority' group, and all of a sudden it's a second Holocaust, and whites are to blame. I believe the Western press even tried to pin the troubles between the Hutus and the Tootsies on 'the legacy of white colonialism' in an effort to stick Whites with the blame. Personally, I thought that them wiping each other out meant that I had less to worry about over here.
I will state it again: Dissimilar cultures clash. The more dramatic the differences are, the more violent and savage the clashes. Thinking any other way is a pipe dream, and America will wake up sooner or later and realize it's too late.
Ausonius
2003-09-03 05:33 | User Profile
Ausonius
I'm sure you have heard of the name of Amy Biehl. Amy was a young American student who came to this country a couple of years ago and befriended young blacks in the Eastern Cape region. If you know the story, you will also know that she was brutally murdered by these young blacks (who are in most cases the perpetrators). At the trial, those blacks (who were actually arrested) laughed and jeered and shouted the by now well known slogans, such as "Kill the Farmer, Kill the Boer", "One settler, one bullet".
Now here's the thing. Her parents came across from America and lo and behold, befriended these murderers of their daughter, and is working hard at what she calls the rebuilding of their lives through the Amy Biehl Foundation. Please see:
[url=http://www.mnet.co.za/carteblanche/display/Display.asp?Id=2293]http://www.mnet.co.za/carteblanche/display...lay.asp?Id=2293[/url]
Why am I talking about this? Usually I am all for helping the poor and the downtrodden, because in many instances fate has dealt them a cruel blow and as with many of us, we are but products of our background. But helping savages who killed my daughter?? No way!!! Then I know I'm ripe for the mental institution. But what I'm trying to say is, that it is people such as these bleeding heart liberals, who roam the earth and 'just want to help'. Yet they fail to see that people such as these brutal killers are beyond help. Of course they'll play along, as they are, because they are benefitting enormously and with monotonous regularity they are revered and spoken about in the press, as though they have risen to something akin to saintdom. They love that more than anything. Publicity is the name of the game. And Linda Biehl, Amy's mother, probably feels very chuffed with herself. Unfortunately she is living in a fool's paradise. The culture of these people is such that they actually don't believe that the White man is a human being. He is percieved to be a pig.
But throughout the Western culture, these do-gooders are flipping over themselves to ensure equality among men. There is no such thing. They are not our equal, far from it. But the equality that most are pushing for is not equal to the status that we have, its downgrading the white man to the level of the bottom end feeders. I suppose one could debate this until the end times, so my apologies for ranting.
It is this very same liberal culture that is also responsible for ensuring that the Mexican illigal immigration society is assisted to inflitrate the US border and cause untold misery to so many good Americans. Where are the laws of old and where is the government to enforce such laws which protect its citizens, rather than help the criminals. The world is sick.
You have restored some of my faith that there are still good people around. I wish there were more like you, I truly do. The stats you quoted are in all probability right on the button.
Last Outpost
2003-09-03 10:15 | User Profile
LO,
Just a quick reply and then I have to scoot:
What happened to Amy was a tragedy, but largely her own fault for putting herself into harms way in the first place for no good reason. That her parents have proven themselves to be as big, if not bigger, morons than Amy was is not suprising. Any real parents, if they loved their child even a little bit, and had a shred of backbone, would have supported them being executed for what they did, if not declare outright war on them (if it would have been my son who was murdered, the bastards would already be in the ground... what happens to me is not relevent.)
You refer to the 'equality' that the left has constantly been pushing for being different than what they TELL people they are pushing for. They changed the definition and kept it an open secret. No need to apologize for a rant. I do it myself. If you just sit on it, it'll eat at you like a cancer.
I have to go. I will post again later on here.
Ausonius