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Thread ID: 8950 | Posts: 13 | Started: 2003-08-11
2003-08-11 05:28 | User Profile
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All over the world and especially in Europe, the cradle of civilization, there are people who love their country, put its interest over anything else and struggle to preserve the independence of their nations. It is something we cannot but admire and approve of, especially in our times when individualism and the internationalist propaganda have surpassed any historical precedent. Contrary to what the "information" media claim, these people are neither paranoid, nor violent. They are especially educated, energetic, dignified and, though most of them are young, they are aware of the historical mission of their nations. They are all self-made and honest, in contrast to their opponents who inherit from their relatives the public offices and from the offices create their fortune. Historically, as we can see from the countries of the following tables, they are the descendants of the philhellenes, the fighters who came from every corner of Europe to Greece in 1821, when the Greek nation was fighting for its independence, and risked or sacrificed their lives fighting next to our ancestors. Though their views are not necessarily identical with the Greek views, they are by nature idealists and admirers of the Greek ideal and by position allies in the Greek struggle for full national independence and integration. It is certain that at the crucial moment for Greece, they will stand next to her, unselfishly and with all their power. Let's not ignore them. We are not alone!
The two largest alliances of nationalist parties in Europe are EURONAT, founded by the French Jean Mari Le Pen, which the Hellenic Front is member of, and the Union for the Europe of the Nations (UEN) in the European Parliament. The two alliances differ on their stance towards the European Union: EURONAT is against the EU, while UEN is in favour of the EU under conditions.
Armenia: Republican Party [url=http://www.hhk.am/main.htm]http://www.hhk.am/main.htm[/url]
Austria: Freedom Party [url=http://www.fpoe.at/]http://www.fpoe.at/[/url]
Belgium (Flanders): Flemish Block [url=http://www.vlaams-blok.be/]http://www.vlaams-blok.be/[/url]
Belgium (Walloon): National Front [url=http://www.frontnational.be/]http://www.frontnational.be/[/url]
Croatia: Croatian Democratic Community [url=http://www.hdz.hr/]http://www.hdz.hr/[/url]
Denmark: People's Party [url=http://www.danskfolkeparti.dk/]http://www.danskfolkeparti.dk/[/url]
Estonia: Fatherland Union [url=http://www.isamaaliit.ee/]http://www.isamaaliit.ee/[/url]
France: National Front [url=http://www.frontnational.com/]http://www.frontnational.com/[/url]
Germany: The Republicans [url=http://www.zeitfuerprotest.de/]http://www.zeitfuerprotest.de/[/url]
Great Britain: British National Party [url=http://www.bnp.org.uk/]http://www.bnp.org.uk/[/url]
Greece: [url=http://www.metopo.gr/]http://www.metopo.gr/[/url]
Hungary: Justice and Life [url=http://www.miep.hu/]http://www.miep.hu/[/url]
Latvia: Fatherland and Freedom [url=http://www.tb.lv/]http://www.tb.lv/[/url]
Lithuania: Young Lithuania [url=http://www.is.lt/jaunalietuviai/LTJS/LTJS.htm]http://www.is.lt/jaunalietuviai/LTJS/LTJS.htm[/url]
Netherlands: Liveable Netherlands [url=http://www.leefbaar-nederland.nl/]http://www.leefbaar-nederland.nl/[/url]
Norway: Progress Party [url=http://www.frp.no/]http://www.frp.no/[/url]
Poland: League of Polish Families [url=http://www.lpr.pl/]http://www.lpr.pl/[/url]
Romania: Great Romania [url=http://www.romare.ro/]http://www.romare.ro/[/url]
Serbia: Radical Party [url=http://www.srs.org.yu/]http://www.srs.org.yu/[/url]
Serb Bosnia: Serb Democratic Party
Slovenia: Slovenian National Party [url=http://www.sns.si/]http://www.sns.si/[/url]
Spain: National Democracy [url=http://www.democracianacional.org/]http://www.democracianacional.org/[/url]
Sweden: Sweden Democrats [url=http://www.sverigedemokraterna.se/]http://www.sverigedemokraterna.se/[/url]
Switzerland: People's Party [url=http://www.svp.ch/]http://www.svp.ch/[/url]
Ukraine: Our Ukraine [url=http://www.razom.org.ua/]http://www.razom.org.ua/[/url]
2003-08-11 06:13 | User Profile
These are great links. I wonder why they have no Russian parties? There are plenty of Russian nationalist groups.
Pamyat [url=http://www.pamyat.ru/]http://www.pamyat.ru/[/url] Russian National Unity [url=http://www.rne.org/]http://www.rne.org/[/url] Russian National Socialist Party [url=http://www.nationalism.org/rnsp/]http://www.nationalism.org/rnsp/[/url] Russian Nationalism [url=http://www.nationalism.org/]http://www.nationalism.org/[/url]
Dugin's Eurasian Movement [url=http://www.arctogaia.com/public/eng/]http://www.arctogaia.com/public/eng/[/url] [url=http://www.arctogaia.com/public/eng2.htm]http://www.arctogaia.com/public/eng2.htm[/url] the Eurasian Manifesto [url=http://eurasia.com.ru/english.html]http://eurasia.com.ru/english.html[/url]
Monarchist groups [url=http://www.monarchcenter.narod.ru/]http://www.monarchcenter.narod.ru/[/url] [url=http://nashastrana.narod.ru/]http://nashastrana.narod.ru/[/url] [url=http://razvedchik.ru/rovs]http://razvedchik.ru/rovs[/url] [url=http://vojnik.org/]http://vojnik.org/[/url]
I'm not neccessarily endorsing any of these groups, I'm just point out that there are nationalist groups of all sorts of variety in Russia.
2003-08-11 13:57 | User Profile
Good links, This thread should be pinned.
2003-08-11 16:30 | User Profile
Hello all,
There are some excellent links here although we should hasten to add that many of the parties listed are populist rather then nationalist. I am not sure that Armenia is European so I dont know if they should be inclueded. I would however say that the Vlaams Block is not in any way an alternative to multi-racial destruction and that, unfortunately, LG is right about the present Republican Party. While a great many excellent nationalist groups exist in Russia Dugin's Eurasian Movement is a rather horrid "National" Bolshevik movment that is very much against any form of racialism although I will admit that Dugin is a very bright fellow with some decent insights I simply can't have anything to do with such an organization. Lastly, I can't see how any nationalist could support the EU.
2003-08-11 16:32 | User Profile
other two Spanish nationalist parties:
Plataforma per Catalunya (Platform for Catalonia) [url=http://www.pxcatalunya.com/index.asp]http://www.pxcatalunya.com/index.asp[/url]
Alternativa Europea (European alternative) [url=http://www.red-vertice.com/alternativae/]http://www.red-vertice.com/alternativae/[/url]
Movimiento Social Republicano (Social Republican Movement) [url=http://www.red-vertice.com/msr/]http://www.red-vertice.com/msr/[/url]
2003-08-11 16:36 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Leland Gaunt@Aug 11 2003, 17:54 * ** The german "republican Party" is absolute crap since Schönhuber was ousted. **
:o
which your opinion on the NPD?
[url=http://www.npd.net/]http://www.npd.net/[/url]
2003-08-12 13:57 | User Profile
These are indeed good people. However, Europeans should be aware of a destructive tendency in Nationalism. Europe, like Ancient Hellas, has been continuously divided by its enemies precisely because of divisive and petty nationalisms.
The EU is in no way the ideal Europe, but it stands as a first step towards European Unity. At the moment, anti-EU movements are of no real help. We do need a unified policy.
2003-08-14 01:18 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Rex_Mundi@Aug 12 2003, 07:57 * ** These are indeed good people. However, Europeans should be aware of a destructive tendency in Nationalism. Europe, like Ancient Hellas, has been continuously divided by its enemies precisely because of divisive and petty nationalisms.
The EU is in no way the ideal Europe, but it stands as a first step towards European Unity. At the moment, anti-EU movements are of no real help. We do need a unified policy. **
I have argued many times that the divisions that divide Europe are deeply rooted in history and are not going away. This is especially true with East(with a more Byzatine heritage) vs. the West(with a more Western Roman heritage).
The Communists tried to disregard history and tried to promote Soviet patriotism, all of which failed and the people rejected it and returned to more traditional national/ethnic identities. The same is going on in the EU, which is trying to disregard history and promote a naive form of a pan-European identity.
One thing many White nationalists need to realize, no race on earth(human or animal) is united under one banner. Pakistanis and Indians are the same racially, yet want to blow each other up with nukes. China and Japan are not exactly best of friends. We all know about the constant tribal/gang warfare among Blacks both in Africa and in American ghettos.
Without the specific national identities of Europe's peoples, than anykind of pan-European identity becomes meaningless.
I'm a Byzantine Catholic, and for centuries we had to endure the Roman rite imposing their traditions and rituals on us in a practice called "latinization". The Latinizers wanted a more united church, and thought that a united church should be uniform. Yet all it did was cause more divisions among the Eastern rite Catholics and the Roman rite, causing many Eastern rite Catholics to leave for the Orthodox church. So yes, I fully understand how forced unity often just leads to more disunity. The Orthodox Church, however, respects the traditions of its individual national churches(Greek, Syrian, Russian etc) yet there is more unity among them than many other Christian demoninations.
I argue more here [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=9090]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...?showtopic=9090[/url]
2003-08-14 01:21 | User Profile
triskelion, please understand that I wasn't necessarily endorsing Dugin at all. Although there are ideas of his that I agree with, but those ideas are ones he copied from earlier Russian thinkers(especially the original Slavophiles). I was simply trying to list the variety of Russian nationalist movements.
2003-08-19 04:49 | User Profile
**I would however say that the Vlaams Block is not in any way an alternative to multi-racial destruction **
Triskelion - This is a rather damning statement, could you please elaborate. Thanks.
2003-08-19 05:21 | User Profile
The VB seems to be a perfect case study of what is wrong with nationalists favouring electoral expediency over principle. The VB leadership first choose to abandon revisionism in the interest of not being seen as extreme by the establishment and to avoid legal troubles. In addition, the VB makes the ritualistic denunciations ââ¬Åracism, hate and Nazismââ¬Â as defined by the system but discovers that doing so is not enough to appease the anti Occidental establishment. As a result, the party chooses to take a hard core pro-Zionist stance and prostrate itself before Jewish interests. Now the party has abandoned any pretense of being a racial nationalist party by claiming that third world immigrants can be assimilated and that if they do so they are Flemish.
There is much wrong with such stances being taken by a party that wishes to reduce the dispossession of oneââ¬â¢s lansmen via a reduction in the scope of the third world invasion. First and foremost is that the principle reason to vote for a supposed nationalist party (populist seems a more accurate label) is to prevent the demographic destruction of your nation. A party that fundamentally accepts multi-racialism will obviously not seek to completely end third world migration let alone consider repatriation but instead simply attempt to reduce the rate of the alien influx. Anyone who has spent a few minutes looking over European demographic projections realizes that the simple and undeniable reality is that given the extremely high birth rates of third worlders in Europa that they will have within the foreseeable future the demographic clout to remake nations like Flanders into their own image even if the migration rates are reduced somewhat.
The matter of assimilation is absurd in that Occidental cultures simply have never and will never exist in countries with majority non Occidental populations save the imposition of a racial caste system which is a proven long term dead end. The very few that actually do fully embrace the host culture almost without exception embrace the materialism, decadence and the squalor that is social democracy rather then the healthy, life affirming traditions that the country once was based upon and that genuine nationalism seeks to embrace. In so doing, the assimilated alien is held up by the anti Occidental establishment as a an example of the virtues of multi racialism which gives our own lansmen reason to doubt the uniqueness and value of their own heritage even further while ignoring the overwhelmingly negative aspects of immigration.
In nations that still have Occidental majorities that reality is that assimilation is rare and when it does occur it is superficial (ex. A basic grasp of the native tongue or paying taxes rather then receiving them) for the simple reason that outside of European nations notions of cosmopolitanism and the fantasy that race doesnââ¬â¢t exist are almost unheard of. When a large alien population is present in a decadent social democratic nation with zero sense of racial identity or national purpose (i.e. any where in Europa) the aliens will, for the most part, choose to belong to their own distinct communities and seek to enhance their power by supporting those parties that either help or at least fail to oppose their racial interests. Eventually, the destabilization that is brought about by multi racialism will result in the destruction of the host culture/race altogether or a form of civil strife that permits the rise of a genuine nationalism.
The upshot of the VBââ¬â¢s a betrayal of the cause of Flemish survival is that the party has continually been portrayed as ââ¬Åextreme rightââ¬Â by the propasphere, having zero prospect of being brought into a coalition government and facing the prospect of legal banishment. Let pretend that the VB is brought into a governing coalition. Within less then a generation the demographic balance will have changed to such an extent that the parties like the VB will have no chance of being a major electoral force (assuming that they remain legal at all) and will simply be another leftist party pushing the anti culture just like the GOP in the states.
The solution is once again to focus on positive, real world activism centered upon oneââ¬â¢s community as I and other have described before. Such activism changes minds because it shows by example the positive and practical merits of genuine racial nationalism. The question we must ask our selves is are we willing to put forward the effort needed to make our views something other then an intellectual curiosity. If not we should simply support faux alternatives like the VB and surrender the future of our children and nations to the god of electoral expediency.
2003-08-19 06:10 | User Profile
I am beginning to feel that you are not open to political solutions.
Perhaps the VB is not pure enough but they certainly seem to have a viable plan. Remember their first priority is to extricate themselves from the artificial Belgian state. At that point I think you will find that the anti-occidental forces will have de-materialised since as is well-known that all the major national media including the state radio and TV are under Francophone control.
The six Flemish provinces together form an extremely viable ethnic, social, political and economic entity that could surprise us all once they get control of their own destiny.
Again, for the VB, the first priority is get the Walloons off their backs. After that, they can deal with the aliens on their own terms.
2003-08-19 07:21 | User Profile
Hello DD, as always it is good to hear from you.
I am fully open to political solutions and I always have been.
While I am totally behind the idea of Flemish self rule (I back self determination for all peoples) and I am also open to the restoration of Dietsland (although I feel it is likely to stay a dream) but the real question is when does self determination not matter.
This is not a matter perfection/purity as those things are not and never will be part of politics. Simply put, it is a matter of what it means to be part of a nation. One can't be Flemish if one if ones ancestors are not Flemish. The VB is fully open to multi-racialism which means that they have endorsed a societal vision which will gut Flanders no matter what it's legal staus may one day be. The VB has zero problems with Zionism at home or abroad, supports the EU (which would nullify in practice any Flemish state), has a totally establishmentarian economic outlook (which also undermines the viablity of a Flemish state), and clearly has no problem with having non Europeans in the party or as candidates & finds miscogenation fully acceptable. Those stances make them not in the least a nationalist party but simply a very moderate populist one.
The bottom line is that they have no intention of dealing with aliens provided they learn the language and don't consume too much wellfare. That stance will sink any Flemish state into the third world mire should it ever come into existance.