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Thread ID: 8876 | Posts: 22 | Started: 2003-08-08
2003-08-08 20:59 | User Profile
And the beat goes on......while Tom Friedman and John Podhoretz reassure us daily not to bother counting up Iraqi casualties....had to be done, don't you know - besides, who cares what happens to a bunch of murderous raghead subhumans, am I right?....fellow HandRubber™ Chesnoff doubles-back to remind us that each and every single solitary Jew is so precious & irreplacable that even the stray possibility *of their discomfort should haunt our every waking moment.
Double standard? What double standard?*
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[SIZE=3][font=Times]Mel must act to stem rise of anti-Semitism [/font][/SIZE]
RICHARD CHESNOFF
[color=purple]I was about 7 the first time a bunch of kids at Public School 78 in Queens informed me that I was "a Christ killer." My mother advised fighting back with words: "Tell them Jesus was Jewish, the Romans crucified him and you weren't even born then." Next day, I tried this trinity of historic logic on the chief taunter. His retort was ironclad: "Baloney! My priest told us it was the Jews, Jew-boy!" So, like many other people, I was pretty relieved when the papal order known as Vatican II proclaimed in 1965 that "the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God."
Since then, we've come a long way in Christian-Jewish relations. But now Hollywood's Mel Gibson threatens to set it all back - maybe 2,000 years.
The otherwise brilliant actor recently completed work on what sounds like a daring idea - "Passion," a multimillion-dollar feature film in Latin and Aramaic (the Hebraic dialect of Jesus) about the last 12 hours of Jesus' life. Trouble is, Gibson belongs to and finances a splinter group of revisionist Catholics who reject Vatican II and still insist those wicked Jews were behind Christ's passion.
Gibson's father, writer Hutton Gibson, one of the breakaway church's stalwarts, condemns Vatican II as a Jewish-backed Masonic plot and fervently denies the Holocaust. Gibson keeps saying "Passion" will tell "the truth." But whose?
The result: Many - Jews and non-Jews alike - fear his film will rekindle the fires of religious hatred. Some Christian theologians who have viewed early versions of the script charge the film "splices New Testament gospels into a distorted anti-Jewish passion play."
That may be superslick Hollywood, but it's bad theology and even worse history. Were some Jews of that time party to the Roman plot to crucify Jesus? Maybe. But the Jews, who were crucified by the Romans for decades before and after Jesus, forbade crucifixion, had scant power and certainly didn't make up Pontius Pilate's mind.
Moreover, as one Christian colleague puts it: "The wood was Roman, the nails were Roman, the hammers were Roman and the soldiers were Roman."
Nor did any of it have anything to do with Jews as a people. Gibson has been strangely secretive about his film. While he screened a rough cut for journalists and some public personalities, all were sworn to secrecy and none who have seen it are active leaders of the Jewish community. He has refused to show it to officials from Jewish organizations or discuss it with them. Ominously, some of his defenders openly imply that he's just up against "Jewish interests in Hollywood" - an old anti-Semitic canard.
I hope that before he releases his film, Gibson displays more sensitivity to history - not to mention accuracy. Mostly, Gibson, an enormously popular figure, must decide whether he wants to be responsible for reviving the kind of hate-filled passions that will send other 7-year-olds running home from school, taunted by gangs calling them "Christ killers."
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2003-08-08 21:05 | User Profile
*Originally posted by il ragno@Aug 8 2003, 14:59 * ** Were some Jews of that time party to the Roman plot to crucify Jesus? Maybe. ... Nor did any of it have anything to do with Jews as a people. **
These two quotes show us what irony at its best can be. :blink:
2003-08-08 21:10 | User Profile
Funny how many secular Jews instantly became New Testament scholars overnight with news of the Gibson movie.
Let's change the title first off...from THE PASSION to THE ROMAN PLOT.
2003-08-08 21:14 | User Profile
Jews never have nuttin to do with anything bad. Their hands are clean, you see. Jesus dead - got nuttin to do with them. 50 million Russians dead - got nuttin to do with them. USS Liberty dead - nuttin to do with them. JF Kennedy assassination - got nuttin to do with them. 9-11 - got nuttin to do with them.
Truly they are a light onto the nations. :taz:
2003-08-08 21:15 | User Profile
Why would Jews be constantly afraid of pogroms, if they are so nice and innocent?
2003-08-08 21:22 | User Profile
Since then, we've come a long way in Christian-Jewish relations. But now Hollywood's Mel Gibson threatens to set it all back - maybe 2,000 years.
How can one film supposedly "set us back 2000 years"? All that anti-semitism that the Jews complain about evolved over hundreds of years. Even most mainstream historians agree that without that long history of anti-semitic views prevelant in Europe, the Holocaust wouldn't have been possible!
Is it just me or are Jews/Liberals/Feminists/etc. always complaining about how this little thing or that will somehow "set us back hundreds/thousands of years"?
2003-08-08 21:36 | User Profile
**I was about 7 the first time a bunch of kids at Public School 78 in Queens informed me that I was "a Christ killer." **
Every jew says this, whether it is true or not.
2003-08-08 21:59 | User Profile
Ironically, the Jewish attempt to censor this film is causing more negative feelings towards the Jews that the film could possibly do.
2003-08-08 22:17 | User Profile
** **I was about 7 the first time a bunch of kids at Public School 78 in Queens informed me that I was "a Christ killer." **
Every jew says this, whether it is true or not. **
Yes I notice that too Polish Noble.
2003-08-09 02:33 | User Profile
All I'm saying Wintermute is that anti-semitism didn't just appear one day with Hitler and everybody believed him, anti-semitism had a long history in Europe long before Hitler came onto the scene.
2003-08-09 04:02 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Aug 8 2003, 20:59 * *Since then, we've come a long way in Christian-Jewish relations. But now Hollywood's Mel Gibson threatens to set it all back - maybe 2,000 years.
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Don't Forget - Franco Thought Mel Gibson through This Movie Was Aiding the Jews, in one of more (but not especially unusual, for him or other VNNer) rants
**Yes, just when you thought than Uncle Franco was full o' beans about his claims that Christians aid The Jew daily, and just when Uncle Franco MIGHT have been thinking he was a little harsh on Christians, here comes this news item, about Mel Gibson possibly suing people who denounced his movie about Christ....including Catholic leaders. Who'da thunkit?
Yes, it keeps getting better an' better, don't it... :D
"They're just like us, but they have bigger noses!" says your average church-goer....uh- huhh...[slap, slap]
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8423&st=20]Mel Gibson - Catholics Aid Jews[/url]**
Funny isn't it how the VNNers seem to treat Christians like Gibson, who do more than to offest Jewish misinformation than a thousand ADV broadcasts or new Stormfront members, almost as if they are the real enemy.
Some undoubtedly must wonder whether things would be any better if the balance of power shifted from the ADL to their adversaries, seeing who sems to represent their adversaries. Little wonder so many Christians end up sadly but I suppose inevitably, recipricating in the political arena.
2003-08-09 04:33 | User Profile
Funny isn't it how the VNNers seem to treat Christians like Gibson, who do more than to offest Jewish misinformation than a thousand ADV broadcasts or new Stormfront members, almost as if they are the real enemy.
Luckily, we have you, Little Hiawatha, to keep shooting paper arrows at that "real enemy". And his name is Al.
By the way...since this movie doesn't come out till Easter - plenty of time for the Chosen to give Mel a couple of full turns on the rack and convince him to let them 'help' with the editing....what has Mel Gibson done in his career as a movie star thus far to "offset [more] Jewish misinformation than a thousand ADV broadcasts or new Stormfront members"? RANSOM? THE PATRIOT? Or maybe that one he did with Goldie Hawn?
2003-08-09 14:23 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Okiereddust@Aug 8 2003, 22:02 * ** Some undoubtedly must wonder whether things would be any better if the balance of power shifted from the ADL to their adversaries, seeing who sems to represent their adversaries. **
Or they may suspect the ADL is even in bed with some of their more whacky "adversaries". :ph34r:
2003-08-09 22:41 | User Profile
The whole ewwish reaction to this movie is clearly one of fear: the fear of a tribe that knows it has built an empire out of sand, one that can be blown away with one good squall.
Just run-ning scared....
2003-08-10 00:06 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Aug 9 2003, 04:33 * > Funny isn't it how the VNNers seem to treat Christians like Gibson, who do more than to offest Jewish misinformation than a thousand ADV broadcasts or new Stormfront members, almost as if they are the real enemy.*
Luckily, we have you, Little Hiawatha, to keep shooting paper arrows at that "real enemy". And his name is Al (my note: Colson, I presume).**
By the way...since this movie doesn't come out till Easter - plenty of time for the Chosen to give Mel a couple of full turns on the rack and convince him to let them 'help' with the editing....what has Mel Gibson done in his career as a movie star thus far to "offset [more] Jewish misinformation than a thousand ADV broadcasts or new Stormfront members"? RANSOM? THE PATRIOT? Or maybe that one he did with Goldie Hawn?
Hey, just the controversy so far has generated more reach and publicity than ADV or Stormfront members have in the last several years. Combined. And Gibson's movie reaches an audience base 10 times bigger than the NA could ever possibly have, and which they have basically written off, combining themselves to people who seriously are inclined to dogmatic atheism or Odinism.
Not to demean the things they undoubtedly have done, but reality is reality.
2003-08-10 00:56 | User Profile
what has Mel Gibson done in his career as a movie star thus far to "offset [more] Jewish misinformation than a thousand ADV broadcasts or new Stormfront members"? RANSOM? THE PATRIOT? Or maybe that one he did with Goldie Hawn?
The Patriot infuriated the left, from the SPLC to the ADL to Hillary Clinton and the NAACP. And the NEA and National Organization for Women to boot.
I'll tell ya why. It's because that movie did an end-run around all the spinned, multiculturalist, hate-yourself-for-being-white garbage that passes for "American History" these days and reached masses of kids and adults alike.
And in these days, anything in mass media that portrays American history as it really was and makes the left gnash their teeth is a Good Thing.
2003-08-10 01:39 | User Profile
**The Patriot infuriated the left, from the SPLC to the ADL to Hillary Clinton and the NAACP. And the NEA and National Organization for Women to boot.
I'll tell ya why. It's because that movie did an end-run around all the spinned, multiculturalist, hate-yourself-for-being-white garbage that passes for "American History" these days and reached masses of kids and adults alike.**
Yeah, well I saw THE PATRIOT. It was as bogus as they come, I'm sad to say. From the Nazi-like English (burning colonists alive in a locked church) to the noble, equal-to-whites black man who fought alongside Gibson (and ends the movie as a free landowner in South Carolina!) to the climax, where Gibson faces off with the sneering Redcoat who killed his son in a mano-a-mano (in the midst of a full-fledged battle yet!) THE PATRIOT managed to obscure actual history for a pc version of colonial America (the moral seemed to be that Americans' function is to fight Nazis, even 150 years before there were any).
I also recall Horowitz's FRONT PAGE running a banner headlinre for about a month straight: LEFTISTS HATE & FEAR "THE PATRIOT".
It's three years later: does anybody remember THE PATRIOT as anything more than another dumbed-down summer blockbuster?
2003-08-10 01:53 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Aug 10 2003, 01:39 * ** It's three years later: does anybody *remember THE PATRIOT as anything more than another dumbed-down summer blockbuster? **
I seem to remember that Gibson was trying to break the "Revolution Jinx". The jinx is that no movie about the American Revolution has ever really done well. The tiny number of exceptions such as Disney's old Johnny Tremain usually played down the events of the Revolution. This includes the otherwise excellent Drums Along The Mohawk.
I give Gibson credit for trying to break the jinx and get people interested in Revolutionary War. Even the movie's ahistorical bent might have been an odd attempt to stir the ashes. Americans are ceasing to be Americans. Gibson gave it a pretty good shot at least.
2003-08-10 03:19 | User Profile
**I seem to remember that Gibson was trying to break the "Revolution Jinx". The jinx is that no movie about the American Revolution has ever really done well. I give Gibson credit for trying to break the jinx and get people interested in Revolutionary War. **
Well, there I agree with you. I also recall a number of shocked ZOG-commentators upset over scenes of teenagers firing guns at people. It's always fun when the very people who snicker at our 'backward' horror of the current culture pull a U-ie and demand that this book, or that film, not be allowed to taint the hearts and minds of Pavlov's d- uhhhh, I mean the audience.
And I agree that Gibson - almost in stealth mode - gravitates towards roles, and projects, that make the reigning Hebrew hierarchy nervous. BRAVEHEART, THE PATRIOT, SIGNS, and even CONSPIRACY THEORY tend to radiate signals that at least attempt to jam the Propasphere wavelength. He's also a far better actor than he's routinely given credit for; if SIGNS or THE PATRIOT were as good as Gibson is in them, they might've been classics.
I must also admit I have noticed a growing trend - particularly among the pc 30-and-under generation who have already figured the world out and now wish to explain it to us, at gunpoint if need be - to disparage Gibson as Just Another Hollywood Bubble-head. White kids with eyebrow rings who grew up in gated communities (and therefore are uniformly outraged by white racism and corporate greed - having benefitted all their lives from both) are usually the loudest Mel-bashers, starting with BRAVEHEART....talk about a movie the Left loathes and fears!
2003-08-11 09:05 | User Profile
**Since then, we've come a long way in Christian-Jewish relations. But now Hollywood's Mel Gibson threatens to set it all back - maybe 2,000 years. **
Too funny! This clown has a sense of humor. Let's see, we have shabbos goys like Gary Bauer and Pat Robinson out there panhandling for them. I suppose from their perspective that things looked hunky-dory until Gibson made this movie.
If they have any brains they will keep their mouths shut, but for most of them that is impossible, such is their hatred.
2003-08-14 13:29 | User Profile
I thought the Patriot sucked! While it had some cool scenes, I was disgusted at the egalitarian propoganda and the computer generated battle shots.
But keep in mind that Gibson did not direct the movie, who only acted in it. You can't blame Gibson because he didn't write or direct that sorry sh*t.
The only movies that Gibson directed are Braveheart and Passion. Braveheart is the greatest movie ever made. (I think I've watched it a hundred times now).
Gibson should only recieve credit for the political/religious messages in those two movies.
2003-08-14 15:58 | User Profile
Great post wintermute. Very nicely said. Anti-Judaism (I refuse to use the term 'anti-semitism') is not solely a Christian phenomenom.