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2003-08-08 10:14 | User Profile
Typical Slate tribal propaganda. Despite all his pandering to them, the tribe will seek yet another mea culpa from Ah-nuld before letting him govern in Sacramento.
From Slate, available online at: [url=http://slate.msn.com/id/2086742/]http://slate.msn.com/id/2086742/[/url]
**Arnold's Nazi Problem
Why won't he repudiate Kurt Waldheim?**
By Timothy Noah Posted Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 3:46 PM PT
Here's a question Jay Leno forgot to ask Arnold Schwarzenegger when he announced his candidacy for governor of California on last night's Tonight Show: "Will you renounce your support for Kurt Waldheim?"
A little refresher course may be in order. Kurt Waldheim, a widely esteemed former secretary general of the United Nations, was running for president of Austria in March 1986 when it came to light that he had participated in Nazi atrocities during World War II. Waldheim had always maintained that he had served in the Wehrmacht only briefly and that after being wounded early in the war, he had returned to Vienna to attend law school. In fact, Waldheim had resumed military service after recuperating from his injury and had been an intelligence officer in Germany's Army Group E when it committed mass murder in the Kozara region of western Bosnia. (Waldheim's name appears on the Wehrmacht's "honor list" of those responsible for the atrocity.) In 1944, Waldheim had reviewed and approved a packet of anti-Semitic propaganda leaflets to be dropped behind Russian lines, one of which ended, "enough of the Jewish war, kill the Jews, come over." After the war, Waldheim was wanted for war crimes by the War Crimes Commission of the United Nations, the very organization he would later head. None of these revelations prevented Waldheim from winning the Austrian election, but after he became president, the U.S. Justice Department put Waldheim on its watch list denying entry to "any foreign national who assisted or otherwise participated in activities amounting to persecution during World War II." The international community largely shunned Waldheim, and he didn't run for re-election. (This information comes from the1992 book Betrayal: The Untold Story of the Kurt Waldheim Investigation and Cover-Up, by Eli M. Rosenbaum and William Hoffer.)
One month after these revelations began to splash across the front pages of newspapers worldwide, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Maria Shriver exchanged wedding vows at the Kennedy compound in Hyannisport, Mass. Schwarzenegger, a native of Austria, had invited Waldheim to the wedding, which of course can't be held against him because the invitations surely went out well before the war crimes story broke. (Schwarzenegger, who held dual citizenship in Austria and the United States, had also endorsed Waldheim.) Waldheim didn't attend, but he sent a giftââ¬âa statue of Arnold, in lederhosen, bearing off Maria, who wore a dirndl. Admiring it, Schwarzenegger offered a tribute that stunned the assemblage into shocked silence (this is reported in Arnold: An Unauthorized Biography, by Wendy Leigh):
My friends don't want me to mention Kurt's name, because of all the recent Nazi stuff and the U.N. controversy, but I love him and Maria does too, and so thank you, Kurt.
Schwarzenegger's name remained on Waldheim's campaign posters. After Waldheim was elected, Schwarzenegger paid him a visit and was photographed with him. According to the New York Post's "Page Six" gossip column, Schwarzenegger was seen sitting beside Waldheim as recently as 1998, when the two attended the second inauguration of Waldheim's successor as president, Thomas Klestil.
In 1988, Schwarzenegger was asked in a Playboy interview what he thought of Waldheim. He replied:
I hate to talk about it, because it's a no-win situation. Without going into details, I can say that being half-Austrian and half-American, I don't like the idea that these two countries that mean so much to me are in such a disagreement. Austria is a very important place for Americans, because it is a neutral country. With a little bit of good will, the problem will be straightened out. I think it's well on the way.
Why on Earth didn't Schwarzenegger take this opportunity to speak out against Waldheim? It surely isn't because Schwarzenegger himself had any Nazi sympathies (though during the filming of the documentary Pumping Iron, he reportedly once made a foolish comment praising Hitler). Rather, Schwarzenegger was likely playing politicsââ¬âto be more specific, Austrian politics and family politics. For years it was rumored that if Schwarzenegger didn't run for governor of California, he would run for president of Austria. Because Austrians have long resented what they see as Waldheim's pointless scapegoating, any firm denunciation would have ruled the latter possibility out. In addition, Schwarzenegger's mother had for many years lived with Alfred Gerstl, a prominent Austrian politician who rose to the top post in the upper house of Austria's parliament. Schwarzenegger reportedly addressed him as "Uncle." (Schwarzenegger's father, who died three decades ago, was a police official who had belonged to the Nazi party.)
Rather than confront his Waldheim problem head-on, Schwarzenegger has proclaimed his disgust for Nazism, raised money for education about the Holocaust, traveled to Israel (where he met with then-Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin), and given generously to the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, which in 1997 bestowed on him its National Leadership Award. "He wants no truck with ââ¬Â¦ Waldheim," the Wiesenthal Center's Rabbi Marvin Hier told the Jerusalem Post. "He probably did not have any clue as to the seriousness of the allegations against Waldheim at that time [i.e., 1986]. To suggest that Arnold's an anti-Semite is preposterous. He's done more to further the cause of Holocaust awareness than almost any other Hollywood star."
Clearly, though, that won't be enough. If Schwarzenegger doesn't renounce Waldheim in a highly public way, he can forget about ever becoming governor of California.
2003-08-08 12:30 | User Profile
Typical, if you do not kiss the Jews' ass you have no future as a public figure and it could also affect your personal life in certain situation.
2003-08-08 13:40 | User Profile
It surely isn't because Schwarzenegger himself had any Nazi sympathies (though during the filming of the documentary Pumping Iron, he reportedly once made a foolish comment praising Hitler).
Third rate ad hominem innuendo from the masters of base villainy, as much as anything else itââ¬â¢s their lack of style I object to. Meet it is I set it down, that one may whine, and whine, and be a villain. Some ad hominem innuendo from a master:
So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus Hath told you Caesar was ambitious: If it were so, it was a grievous fault, And grievously hath Caesar answer'd it. Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest-- For Brutus is an honourable man; So are they all, all honourable men-- ââ¬Â¦ Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral. He was my friend, faithful and just to me: But Brutus says he was ambitious; And Brutus is an honourable man.
ââ¬Â¦ When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept: Ambition should be made of sterner stuff: Yet Brutus says he was ambitious; And Brutus is an honourable man. ââ¬Â¦ I thrice presented him a kingly crown, Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition? Yet Brutus says he was ambitious; And, sure, he is an honourable man.
2003-08-08 14:24 | User Profile
Originally posted by Centinel@Aug 8 2003, 10:14 * *Typical Slate tribal propaganda.ÃÂ Despite all his pandering to them, the tribe will seek yet another mea culpa from Ah-nuld before letting him govern in Sacramento.
From Slate, available online at: [url=http://slate.msn.com/id/2086742/]http://slate.msn.com/id/2086742/[/url]
**Arnold's Nazi Problem
Why won't he repudiate Kurt Waldheim? .................................................................................. Clearly, though, that won't be enough. If Schwarzenegger doesn't renounce Waldheim in a highly public way, he can forget about ever becoming governor of California.
Interesting dynamic in California. Awnold, from Jewish Hollywood is seeking the white vote in a state becoming evermore non-white and mexican.
I think a few yahoo's in the press feels obligated to take a few token swipes about Awnold's austrian and even ns related background. (It is well known that his father I think was a party member). If they get too pronounced though, they might wake an interesting dynamic - resentment in the catholic-mexican catholic over american jewry, and resentment in white republican circles against over their increasingly marginalized status, behind the white liberal democrats, neocon republicans, and third worlders.
Who knows what could happen? It must give neocons a few chills, however much they hide it, to see TheTerminator as top dog. For neocon's, even though now it seems they've got it wonderfully good, in the back of their mind they can always see Judgement Day lurking if they slip up.
Let's all prounce in unison > Hasta La Vista Baby!
2003-08-08 15:31 | User Profile
Originally posted by Leland Gaunt@Aug 8 2003, 14:42 * I don't know in what "atroceties" he could have been involved, since his detachment/office had no power or was in a position to take part in any such alledged crimes....... What this article calls "War crimes" was normal combat. I guess everything the German army did is today considered a "crime".* Basically right. The Waldheim controversy was a big thing in the 80's - the details have died down. It seems to me all he was accussed of was committing the normal reprisal actions (occasionally burning villages sympathetic to guerillas, etc) almost every german army leutenant was required to do though.
I followed the details fairly closely then. In retrospect, the appaling cave-in of the Reagan State Department on Waldheim was one of the first indications of the growing dominance of the neocons within the GOP/conservative establishment.
> I can say that being half-Austrian and half-American**
I wonder how that works? His Father was "Austrian" (German) and so was his Mother. Or does a piece of paper with a US-Seal on it wipe out ones culture and background? **
That just used to be a standard way for loyal immigrant americans to describe themselves, i.e. fondness to both native and adopted countries. Contrasted with the La Raza type habit of chicano politicians continuing to describe themselves not as "Mexican-American" but simply "Mexican" I think it makes a good contrast.
2003-08-08 16:22 | User Profile
Arnie will not help CA, if he does get elected. When asked how he felt about immigration, he replied "I'm an immigrant, everybody is welcome here."
Don't be so sure, Arnie. :angry:
2003-08-08 17:09 | User Profile
Not a day goes by without hearing some reference to "Nazis" and Hitler. This is to be expected in the Zionist NWO we live in. Then again, these two figures were the only full-scale examples of Zionist resistance, which was/is unthinkable.
2003-08-09 01:19 | User Profile
{sigh} I wandered Barnes and Noble today, and was surprised (but not surprised <_< ) to see HUGE numbers of "hitler" books -- Hitler's Niece, Hitler's War, books on Goering and Himmler and others... and I thought -- this was what, 50+ YEARS ago, and it's more "popular" now than it was when it HAPPENED!!
The jews keep racheting up the pressure, and I HOPE the white folks stuck in the rack are beginning to feel the pinch!!
2003-08-09 01:51 | User Profile
** I wandered Barnes and Noble today, and was surprised (but not surprised ) to see HUGE numbers of "hitler" books -- Hitler's Niece, Hitler's War, books on Goering and Himmler and others... and I thought -- this was what, 50+ YEARS ago, and it's more "popular" now than it was when it HAPPENED!! **
Yep. I went to Borders - a pretty well-stocked bookstore - to find something about Germany in the Middle Ages. They had absolutely Jack about Germany before this century, except for a general history. 3/4's of the books they had were about WWII or the Holoco$t. In comparison, they had a good handful of books about medieval France, and plenty about France in the 18th and 19th centuries.
2003-08-09 02:43 | User Profile
**Typical, if you do not kiss the Jews' ass you have no future as a public figure and it could also affect your personal life in certain situation. **
But he DID! He coughed up 5 mill to that snivelling Wiesenthal Foundation just the other day! Damn, there's 5 mill you can kiss goodbye, Ah-nold....and it bought you nothing! Nothing! Sht, you coulda given me half-a-mill and at least you'da gotten some stump-speech copy....buttons....banners....some* damn thing!
(This is the part where I guess I'm supposed to say, "Good! You got burned for 5 mill but this is the only way you learn!" but I can't do it. A 5-million-buck gift to Wiesenthal is never ever ever a "good thing".)
Many years ago...around 82 or 83... I was listening to the all-Zionist-all-the-time radio station here, WNYM. The topic (like always) was "we are surrounded by enemies who forever rise up to destroy us but luckily we are better, smarter and gosh darn it, God likes us!" So anyway, the shrill Talmudic harridan at the mike was holding court on a side-issue: The Futility of Any Compromise Whatsoever. In which she opined (quite rightly) that meeting your enemies halfway is not only a hollow gesture but a suicidal one, in that your enemies will not only use your willingness to compromise as a green light to heap further abuse on you and take bolder and bolder liberties, but you are weakening the resolve of your own people to Do What Must Be Done when that abuse, and those liberties, force you to eventually annhiliate your foes.
Talk about your moments of satori! She was describing the recipe for the downfall of White Civiization. And Schwarzenegger joins a long, long, long list of prominent gentiles who should've been in my car listening to that radio program with me, but weren't.
2003-08-09 04:03 | User Profile
Il Rag - wasn't that $5mil kiked ... I mean kicked in years ago, during the construction of the Weaselthal Center. I think the story was resurrected just in case Ah-nuld decided to run. You should see the media in CA busy at work to have Dianne Feinstein jump into the race - that Zionist bitch being painted as a Savior. I don't know whether to laugh or cover my eyes. It does add to the amusement as the complete collapse continues its inexorable approach.
The Yahoodis already did their bg check on Arnie's pop. It'll be interesting to see how/if they change their collective mind. Keep in mind the zhids track record with Austrians :) :rolleyes: .
2003-08-09 04:10 | User Profile
Originally posted by Roy Batty@Aug 9 2003, 04:03 * Il Rag - wasn't that $5mil kiked ... I mean kicked in years ago, during the construction of the Weaselthal Center. I think the story was resurrected just in case Ah-nuld decided to run. ......... The Yahoodis already did their bg check on Arnie's pop. It'll be interesting to see how/if they change their collective mind. Keep in mind the zhids track record with Austrians :) :rolleyes: .*
The $5million sounds like hush money if I ever heard anything. Of course like all hush money, its never the last installment. It will be intersting to see how the media tracks Awnold through this campaign. Right now they're fawning over him - I suspect they think they've got him led on a ring through the nose.
2003-08-09 04:56 | User Profile
I thought it (the $5 mil) was more recently extorted. But Okie has a point....blackmail payments never buy silence, but more blackmail.
I sometimes wonder if I will ever live to see the day when major newspapers and newsweeklies will regularly make noted personalities sh*t water by reminding them of their previously stated affection for the war criminal Ariel Sharon....or the murderous genocidal nation-state known as Israel.
Waldheim was adjutant and later chief of the intelligence unit of an Army-Group on the Balkans which were fighting a fierce war against communist Partisans. I don't know in what "atroceties" he could have been involved, since his detachment/office had no power or was in a position to take part in any such alledged crimes. ****
Simple. He refused to dance to Hyman's klezmer-tune the moment the music began.
On your knees: properly respectful. On your feet: rabid Nazi mass-murderer.
2003-08-09 05:05 | User Profile
Poetic Interlude:
Danegeld
Rudyard Kipling
IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation, To call upon a neighbour and to say:ââ¬â ââ¬ÅWe invaded you last nightââ¬âwe are quite prepared to fight, Unless you pay us cash to go away.ââ¬Â
And that is called asking for Dane-geld, And the people who ask it explain That youââ¬â¢ve only to pay ââ¬â¢em the Dane-geld And then youââ¬â¢ll get rid of the Dane!
It is always a temptation to a rich and lazy nation, To puff and look important and to say:ââ¬â ââ¬ÅThough we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you. We will therefore pay you cash to go away.ââ¬Â
And that is called paying the Dane-geld; But weââ¬â¢ve proved it again and again, That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld You never get rid of the Dane.
It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation, For fear they should succumb and go astray, So when you are requested to pay up or be molested, You will find it better policy to says:ââ¬â
ââ¬ÅWe never pay any one Dane-geld, No matter how trifling the cost, For the end of that game is oppression and shame, And the nation that plays it is lost!ââ¬Â
2003-08-09 05:16 | User Profile
Apropo, Leveller.
IR, Okie, the swindlers work situations from every angle their beady little eyes can see. That's a given.