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2003-08-07 16:15 | User Profile
[url=http://www.ahherald.com/readers_write/2003/030807_anti_semitism.htm]http://www.ahherald.com/readers_write/2003...ti_semitism.htm[/url] published Atlantic Highlands Herald 7 August 2003 READER'S WRITE Archive
CLOSER LOOK AT THOSE WHO CRY ANTI-SEMITISM
Dear Congressman Smith;
I must comment on the article in The Asbury Park Press of 29 July which you wrote "Efforts to combat anti-Semitism deserve more attention in NJ."
Let me start by saying I admire you as a man, and as a Representative. You are honest, and helpful to your constituents as few in your position are. You helped me recently with a Medicare problem.
However, in the article in question, you state that government policies regarding Israel should not give license to any hatred of the Jewish people. Hatred, no, but animosity, yes. There is a fine line between the two. I was never one to stoop to toppling Jewish grave stones, or painting Swastikas etc., but I do resent the policies of our government, supported by yourself as far as I can tell, which so favor Israel over the Gentile states in the region. As long as Israel calls itself The Jewish State, animosity is bound to be felt by Jews, even though many, to their credit, are not inclined to be Zionists. This is human nature.
I am a retired TWA Captain, as well as a retired LCDR USNR. I received my Commission at Kings Point in 1953. I appreciate your efforts in supports of my Alma Mater. During my 30 years with TWA, I had many occasions to lay over for rest in Tel Aviv. While there, I observed first hand how Christians are treated in The Jewish State. We are the underdogs, just as Jews were in Nazi Germany. Government policy in Israel is blatantly anti-Gentile. Israel is NOT a Democracy, as they claim to be, but are in fact a Theocracy, where it is Juden uber alles, and we had better not forget it.
I learned a lot of this from a Christian woman who was my maid in the Tel Aviv Hilton for many trips. Her life was a living Hell in The Jewish State.
You mention the ADL, as if this is a good organization. Sir, I beg to differ with you here. The ADL is a despicable organization bent on censorship of any news that reflects negatively on The Jewish State and believe me Chris, there is much negative to reflect upon. I started writing letters to the editor of local newspapers, critical of Israel, citing real flaws in our huge monetary support of Israel, at a cost of animosity from much of the world, especially the Arab nations.
My letters were hard-hitting, and difficult to rebut. Enter Mr. Suall, of the ADL. In a letter to my Chief Pilot, Captain Richard Forristal, he complained loudly about how there was an anti-Semite flying TWA's airplanes, to Tel Aviv, of all places. How does TWA expect it's Jewish passengers feel with a maniac like this flying them? I was hauled in to the office and asked to explain myself. I did. I told my Forristal I was exercising my freedom of the press, and I was not involving the company in my letters. I also pointed out that the Gentiles in Israel were Semites, whereas most of the Jews were not.
Apparently Suall became enraged that no action was taken. More letters followed in which I was described as insane, dangerous, a poor pilot, a drunk, a wife beater, a child abuser, etc. and for G-d's sake, shut this man up!. All this was nonsense, of course. I have a lovely Irish wife and 6 healthy, happy children. When asked by Forristal what I had to say for myself, I called Suall a liar. I asked if there was any proof of what he said. There was none. By this time I brought the union into the picture. I was a member of the Air Line Pilots Association. It was agreed that so long as I did not mention TWA, or ALPA in my letters, it was hands off.
Every time I would be called into the office to explain myself for yetanother letter, I would ask Foristall for a copy. It only worked once. I wanted to sue the ADL with these letters as the basis of a libel suit. The union contract called for my jacket to be available to me, and that I was entitled to be copied on any negative material in it. There was nothing in it. It was then I discovered that there were 2 jackets, one of which was kept from me, which was in violation of the contract. I went to Queens DA Mario Merolla and told him about this, and pointed out that libel was a criminal as well as civil offense in NY (I was working out of JFK). He promptly told TWA to cease this, and hand over the other jacket. By the time I went back to the office, it had "accidentally" gone into the shredder. Too bad, but the harassment ceased, and I continued my career to get 30 years in, retiring in 1987 at the age of 56.
They didn't quit there. Being beaten by me, the ADL went to the head of the NJ JWV. He wrote to Tillinghast, TWA CEO at the time, and demanded Captain Toner be fired. When that failed, the JDL stepped in, threatenned to kill me, my wife and 6 kids, rape them, blow up my home and car, etc.. I called the FBI in on this and it was investigated by Special Agent James Trahone. Using the FOIA, I was able to obtain the complete file. The file is Manhattan Bur. File # 9A-NY-228125. It has 86 pages. If you would like to examine it, please let me know. I will mail it to you.
In conclusion, I ask you to take a closer look at our support for Israel, and it's fanatical supporters, who cry "Anti-Semitism" every time a voice is raised against The Jewish State, the citizens of which are not really Semites for the most part, but trace their ancestry back to Russia, Poland and other Eastern European nations. A microcoms of these people exist in Lakewood, NJ.
Very respectfully,
Edward J. Toner Jr. Brick NJ
2003-08-07 16:21 | User Profile
Ed, Have you received any reply or abuse yet? Keep up the good work!!
2003-08-07 19:38 | User Profile
That's our Ed!
2003-08-07 20:50 | User Profile
Keep hammering them, Mr. Toner!
Let us know if you get any reaction.
Are you going to follow up about the guy you had photographed at the phone booth who was harassing you?
2003-08-08 18:15 | User Profile
So far, all reaction has been very positive. I got an atta boy from a fellow pilot I never met.
I sent it to "our kind", and it ha been forewarded to thousands.
2003-08-08 18:38 | User Profile
"our kind" in English "i nostri" in Italian "nashi" in Russian
"Our kind" is kind of long and too specific. I'd prefer a contraction like "our kind" --> "ours" for simplicity. Like in other languages.
2003-08-08 19:16 | User Profile
Don't get Mad, Russian. I think it was understood by all here.
As the japs would say,
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2003-08-09 11:37 | User Profile
Thanks!
I'll save that.
Actuall I had better vision than Magoo
2003-08-09 14:50 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Ed Toner@Aug 7 2003, 10:15 * ** [url=http://www.ahherald.com/readers_write/2003/030807_anti_semitism.htm]http://www.ahherald.com/readers_write/2003...ti_semitism.htm[/url] published Atlantic Highlands Herald 7 August 2003 READER'S WRITE Archive
CLOSER LOOK AT THOSE WHO CRY ANTI-SEMITISM
Dear Congressman Smith;
I must comment on the article in The Asbury Park Press of 29 July which you wrote "Efforts to combat anti-Semitism deserve more attention in NJ."
Let me start by saying I admire you as a man, and as a Representative. You are honest, and helpful to your constituents as few in your position are. You helped me recently with a Medicare problem.
However, in the article in question, you state that government policies regarding Israel should not give license to any hatred of the Jewish people. Hatred, no, but animosity, yes. There is a fine line between the two. I was never one to stoop to toppling Jewish grave stones, or painting Swastikas etc., but I do resent the policies of our government, supported by yourself as far as I can tell, which so favor Israel over the Gentile states in the region. As long as Israel calls itself The Jewish State, animosity is bound to be felt by Jews, even though many, to their credit, are not inclined to be Zionists. This is human nature.
I am a retired TWA Captain, as well as a retired LCDR USNR. I received my Commission at Kings Point in 1953. I appreciate your efforts in supports of my Alma Mater. During my 30 years with TWA, I had many occasions to lay over for rest in Tel Aviv. While there, I observed first hand how Christians are treated in The Jewish State. We are the underdogs, just as Jews were in Nazi Germany. Government policy in Israel is blatantly anti-Gentile. Israel is NOT a Democracy, as they claim to be, but are in fact a Theocracy, where it is Juden uber alles, and we had better not forget it.
I learned a lot of this from a Christian woman who was my maid in the Tel Aviv Hilton for many trips. Her life was a living Hell in The Jewish State.
You mention the ADL, as if this is a good organization. Sir, I beg to differ with you here. The ADL is a despicable organization bent on censorship of any news that reflects negatively on The Jewish State and believe me Chris, there is much negative to reflect upon. I started writing letters to the editor of local newspapers, critical of Israel, citing real flaws in our huge monetary support of Israel, at a cost of animosity from much of the world, especially the Arab nations.
My letters were hard-hitting, and difficult to rebut. Enter Mr. Suall, of the ADL. In a letter to my Chief Pilot, Captain Richard Forristal, he complained loudly about how there was an anti-Semite flying TWA's airplanes, to Tel Aviv, of all places. How does TWA expect it's Jewish passengers feel with a maniac like this flying them? I was hauled in to the office and asked to explain myself. I did. I told my Forristal I was exercising my freedom of the press, and I was not involving the company in my letters. I also pointed out that the Gentiles in Israel were Semites, whereas most of the Jews were not.
Apparently Suall became enraged that no action was taken. More letters followed in which I was described as insane, dangerous, a poor pilot, a drunk, a wife beater, a child abuser, etc. and for G-d's sake, shut this man up!. All this was nonsense, of course. I have a lovely Irish wife and 6 healthy, happy children. When asked by Forristal what I had to say for myself, I called Suall a liar. I asked if there was any proof of what he said. There was none. By this time I brought the union into the picture. I was a member of the Air Line Pilots Association. It was agreed that so long as I did not mention TWA, or ALPA in my letters, it was hands off.
Every time I would be called into the office to explain myself for yetanother letter, I would ask Foristall for a copy. It only worked once. I wanted to sue the ADL with these letters as the basis of a libel suit. The union contract called for my jacket to be available to me, and that I was entitled to be copied on any negative material in it. There was nothing in it. It was then I discovered that there were 2 jackets, one of which was kept from me, which was in violation of the contract. I went to Queens DA Mario Merolla and told him about this, and pointed out that libel was a criminal as well as civil offense in NY (I was working out of JFK). He promptly told TWA to cease this, and hand over the other jacket. By the time I went back to the office, it had "accidentally" gone into the shredder. Too bad, but the harassment ceased, and I continued my career to get 30 years in, retiring in 1987 at the age of 56.
They didn't quit there. Being beaten by me, the ADL went to the head of the NJ JWV. He wrote to Tillinghast, TWA CEO at the time, and demanded Captain Toner be fired. When that failed, the JDL stepped in, threatenned to kill me, my wife and 6 kids, rape them, blow up my home and car, etc.. I called the FBI in on this and it was investigated by Special Agent James Trahone. Using the FOIA, I was able to obtain the complete file. The file is Manhattan Bur. File # 9A-NY-228125. It has 86 pages. If you would like to examine it, please let me know. I will mail it to you.
In conclusion, I ask you to take a closer look at our support for Israel, and it's fanatical supporters, who cry "Anti-Semitism" every time a voice is raised against The Jewish State, the citizens of which are not really Semites for the most part, but trace their ancestry back to Russia, Poland and other Eastern European nations. A microcoms of these people exist in Lakewood, NJ.
Very respectfully,
Edward J. Toner Jr. Brick NJ **
First let me say that anti-Semitism is prejudice against JEWS!
Before the 19th century, anti-Semitism was largely religious, based on the belief that Jews were responsible for Jesus' crucifixion. It was expressed in the later Middle Ages by sporadic persecutions and expulsions (e.g., the expulsion of Jews from Spain in 1492), economic restrictions (e.g., the restriction of Jews to unpopular or taboo occupations), and personal restrictions (see GHETTO). After the Jews' emancipation during the ENLIGHTENMENT, religious and economic anti-Semitism was slowly replaced in the 19th cent. by racial prejudice. All that stemmed from the idea that Judaism is a distinct race (when in reality the Jews are not a Race!).
The cultural isolation of Orthodox Jews, rising NATIONALISM, pseudoscientific theories of Aryan racial superiority, and spurious charges of Jewish domination encouraged anti-Semitism (see POGROM). These beliefs incorporated into Adolph Hitler's NATIONAL SOCIALISM, contributed to the extermination of 6 million Jews in the HOLOCAUST of World War II. Since the 1980s anti-Semitic nationalists have become more influential in Russia, Germany, and other European countries. In the U.S. anti-Semitism persists among some extreme right-wing groups and in the practice of excluding Jews from certain clubs, schools, and housing.
Now going back to "ET the pilot who landed from Mars" and wrote the following anti-Semitic dissent: -
** In conclusion, I ask you to take a closer look at our support for Israel, and it's fanatical supporters, who cry "Anti-Semitism" every time a voice is raised against The Jewish State, the citizens of which are not really Semites for the most part, but trace their ancestry back to Russia, Poland and other Eastern European nations. A microcoms of these people exist in Lakewood, NJ.**
(1) He seem to have a personal gripe against the Jewish State... That means no Jew has the right of dissent nor defense according to him.
(2) Why should any voice be raised against the Jewish State since it has not really offended ET personally? The State of Israel deals on a higher level with elected LEADERS of different Nations of the world, and I do not understand why a quasi pilot from Mars (TWA is a defunct operation today, thank G-d.) should have a grudge against a state that is trying to survive surrounded by Arab Nations committed to destroy it.
(3) ET projects himself as an authoritative figure that can state with power and influence and above all professorial acumen who is a Semite and who is not.
(4) He devilishly defines the location of Jews in NJ and the parameter of their locale just to put them in jeopardy.
(5) I suggest ET takes a hike back to his realm "the red Planet Mars" or rather still get checked by a shrink!
2003-08-09 15:55 | User Profile
** First let me say that anti-Semitism is prejudice against JEWS!**
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2003-08-09 15:57 | User Profile
HBarniv, a Jewish barbarian, has vowed> **First let me say that anti-Semitism is prejudice against JEWS! ** His word is to be deemed sufficiently authoritative though Jews, even if all are Semites, are outnumbered by Arabs at something like 20 to 1. The world does not revolve around Jews.
Further> **Before the 19th century, anti-Semitism was largely religious, based on the belief that Jews were responsible for Jesus' crucifixion. **
Some time ago I wrote> **Freud on Moses, the Egyptian
Sigmund Freud prior to the second war in Europe wrote Moses and Monotheism.ÃÂ (Moses and Monotheism,ÃÂ pp114-7, p134 -Alfred Knopf, 1939)ÃÂ Reviewing the book in the New Republic, Karl Menninger, the psychiatrist from Kansas, endorsed the thesis of Freud that Jews with "their stiff-necked obduracy" have continued to deny their murder of Moses, their founding father born an Egyptian. (New Republic, pp23-5, Aug 9, 1939)ÃÂ ÃÂ The resurrected Moses, the Jew Jesus Christ, with his willful death and sacrifice had tried to atone for the original sin of the Jews in their killing of Moses.ÃÂ If not actually, the murder transpired in their desires as Freud was willing to believe.ÃÂ As Freud postulated, for many goyim their hatred of Judaism has substituted for their hatred of Christianity.ÃÂ As with Moses, Jews had denied they killed the Jew, Jesus Christ.ÃÂ This continued refusal by legalistic sophistry by Jews to admit complicity in the crucifixion has enabled them to blame the Romans for the ritual murder while denying responsibility for the killing of the God of the Christians.** Christians have every right to hold Jews responsible for the death of Jesus.
Further> **It was expressed in the later Middle Ages by sporadic persecutions and expulsions (e.g., the expulsion of Jews from Spain in 1492), ** Edward Gibbon wrote of the treachery Jews displayed in aiding the takeover of Spain by Muslims. Jews deserved to be thrown out of Spain, perhaps even harsher retribution should have occurred.
Further> **(TWA is a defunct operation today, thank G-d.) ** That Americans lost jobs does not concern this odious creature. Praise to El Al.
Further> (5) I suggest ET takes a hike back to his realm "the red Planet Mars" or rather still get checked by a shrink! Does HBarniv have a Jewish psychiatrist in mind.
His entire post defines why so many thinking people have found Jews to be loathsome, untrustworthy and not worth having as fellow citizenry. Their lying and cowardice in American wars has been documented by me in my book and on this forum.
[color=blue]Evasion by Jews of American Wars[/color] [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=324&hl=evasion]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...=324&hl=evasion[/url]
2003-08-09 17:59 | User Profile
Originally posted by Drakmal@Aug 9 2003, 09:55 * ** > ** First let me say that anti-Semitism is prejudice against JEWS!*
oh **
Another bad joke that resembles your image perhaps.
If you write Hebrew instead of your gibberish let me know.
2003-08-09 18:57 | User Profile
*Originally posted by HBarniv@Aug 9 2003, 14:50 * ** Before the 19th century, anti-Semitism was largely religious, based on the belief that Jews were responsible for Jesus' crucifixion... **
No, it was then called anti-Judaism which is more correct anyway.
At least a fact or two before you advertise your ignorance. A German agitator started the AntiSemitenLega ("Anti-Semite's League") in 1879. His name was Wilhelm Marr and he was not happy with the fact that Jews were economically controlling Germany.
From this derives the modern term "antisemite". It was an imprecise political word to begin with. Anti-Jewish would probably be more correct since Arabs are also Semites but they don't monopolize the American media and legal systems. Precision in this case would be better than a tradition that only goes back to 1879.
2003-08-09 19:21 | User Profile
**Before the 19th century, anti-Semitism was largely religious, based on the belief that Jews were responsible for Jesus' crucifixion. It was expressed in the later Middle Ages by sporadic persecutions and expulsions (e.g., the expulsion of Jews from Spain in 1492), economic restrictions (e.g., the restriction of Jews to unpopular or taboo occupations), and personal restrictions (see GHETTO). After the Jews' emancipation during the ENLIGHTENMENT, religious and economic anti-Semitism was slowly replaced in the 19th cent. by racial prejudice. All that stemmed from the idea that Judaism is a distinct race (when in reality the Jews are not a Race!).
The cultural isolation of Orthodox Jews, rising NATIONALISM, pseudoscientific theories of Aryan racial superiority, and spurious charges of Jewish domination encouraged anti-Semitism (see POGROM). These beliefs incorporated into Adolph Hitler's NATIONAL SOCIALISM, contributed to the extermination of 6 million Jews in the HOLOCAUST of World War II. Since the 1980s anti-Semitic nationalists have become more influential in Russia, Germany, and other European countries. In the U.S. anti-Semitism persists among some extreme right-wing groups and in the practice of excluding Jews from certain clubs, schools, and housing.**
So far so good. Now where's the bad part?
2003-08-09 19:32 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ragnar+Aug 9 2003, 12:57 -->
QUOTE* (Ragnar @ Aug 9 2003, 12:57 ) <!--QuoteBegin-HBarniv@Aug 9 2003, 14:50 * ** Before the 19th century, anti-Semitism was largely religious, based on the belief that Jews were responsible for Jesus' crucifixion... ** No, it was then called anti-Judaism which is more correct anyway.
At least a fact or two before you advertise your ignorance.**
**
Listen fella, I did not come here to be insulted by the resident 'Lowlifes' Jew-Haters, besides the fact that you pretend to know a lot, in itself does not give you 'Carte Blanche' to be insulting and obnoxious.
The term "anti-Semite" was coined in Germany in 1879 by Wilhelm Marrich to refer to the anti-Jewish manifestation of the period and to give Jew-hatred a more scientific sounding name. "Anti-Semitism" has been accepted and understood to mean hatred of the Jewish people. Dictionaries define the term as: "Theory, action, or practice directed against the Jews" and "Hostility towards Jews as a religious or racial minority group, often accompanied by social, economic and political discrimination."
The claim that Arabs are "Semites" cannot possibly be anti-Semitic is a semantic distortion that ignores the reality of Arab discrimination and hostility toward Jews, the most current example taking place not so long ago on a Saturday, when assailants opened fire on a bus traveling through Judea injuring five Israelis. The bus was traveling from the settlement of Kiryat Arba when assailants opened fire near the Arab village of Tarkumiya. Or, the last premeditated murder of seven Israeli soldiers and a civilian murdered by an incited, deluded Arab Bus driver who ploughed through them at a Bus Stop following the words of the Qur'an which orders them to kill the "Kafirun = non believer" for the recompense of Paradise, 70 virgins and a multitude of young boys. Wait, wait obnoxious person, do not think for a moment that you and your ilk will be safe, for as the Jew you are also a ââ¬ËKAFER= NON BELIEVERââ¬â¢ and your arse is on the line.
Ed Toner
2003-08-09 21:07 | User Profile
HB -
You neglected to mention Yitzhak Yizernitzky, presently Yitzhak Shamir. He was one of the Jewish extremists who, between 1937 and 1939, killed more than 300 Arab civilians by machine-gunning passing buses and bombing open air restaurants and marketplaces. On one July day in 1938, they rolled an oil drum laden with explosives downhill into a bus stop in Haifa, killing 35 men, women and children and leaving others maimed and bleeding.
When World War II began, one group of these terrorists, called Irgun Zvai Leumi and headed by future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, declared a cease-fire with the British. The other group, Lehi, the Hebrew acronym for "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel " tried to ally itself first with fascist Italy, then with Nazi Germany and finally with Stalinist Russia.
Lehi became known as the ''Stern Gang" after its founder, Avraham Stern, who eventually was killed by the British, while his followers killed some 300 British policemen and soldiers. Leadership passed to a triumvirate consisting of Yizernitzky, Israel Sheib and Nathan Friedman-Yellin. They ordered the 1944 assassination of Lord Moyne, the British governor general of Cairo. He also murdered a peace negotiator, Count Bernadotte of Sweden. Shamir and the other two Lehi leaders set out in July 1948 to assassinate the UN peace mediator, Count Folke Bernadotte. They feared he would negotiate a cease-fire that would force Israeli forces to withdraw from West Jerusalem, which they had seized in defiance of the UN partition plan. The plan envisioned a Jewish and an Arab Palestinian state, with Jerusalem separate from both and under international supervision.
Lehi gunmen in Israeli uniforms intercepted Bernadotte's motorcade and pumped six bullets into Bernadotte, and 17 into a French colonel sitting beside him, killing both. Some Lehi members were arrested by Israeli police, but all were released by the time the fighting ended a few months later. One became a member of the Knesset 2 years later.
I hope this broadens your view of "terrorists", and sets the record straight concerning the history of terrorism in the Levant. Hamas and Hezbollah are relative newcomers to the scene.
N.B. Forrest
2003-08-09 21:24 | User Profile
Listen fella, I did not come here to be insulted by the resident 'Lowlifes' Jew-Haters...
Well, you're in the wrong place then, eh, pickle snoot?
il ragno
2003-08-09 21:37 | User Profile
**The last premeditated murder of seven Israeli soldiers and a civilian murdered by an incited, deluded Arab Bus driver who ploughed through them at a Bus Stop following the words of the Qur'an which orders them to kill the "Kafirun = non believer" for the recompense of Paradise, 70 virgins and a multitude of young boys. **
Sounds like a fair deal, except for the "young boys" part you threw in as a last-minute extra smear.
I'm uncomfortable with the murder of innocents. But not nearly as uncomfortable as the half-century lights-out on Western press coverage of Israeli atrocities. If 'responsible' US journalists can cheerlead for smart-bombing sovereign peoples out of moral qualms, well, hell: I can certainly light a candle of gratitude every time an IDF killer ends up in a pine box.
HBarniv
2003-08-09 21:40 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Ed Toner@Aug 9 2003, 15:07 * ** HB -
You neglected to mention Yitzhak Yizernitzky, presently Yitzhak Shamir. He was one of the Jewish extremists who, between 1937 and 1939, killed more than 300 Arab civilians by machine-gunning passing buses and bombing open air restaurants and marketplaces. On one July day in 1938, they rolled an oil drum laden with explosives downhill into a bus stop in Haifa, killing 35 men, women and children and leaving others maimed and bleeding.
When World War II began, one group of these terrorists, called Irgun Zvai Leumi and headed by future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, declared a cease-fire with the British. The other group, Lehi, the Hebrew acronym for "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel " tried to ally itself first with fascist Italy, then with Nazi Germany and finally with Stalinist Russia.
Lehi became known as the ''Stern Gang" after its founder, Avraham Stern, who eventually was killed by the British, while his followers killed some 300 British policemen and soldiers. Leadership passed to a triumvirate consisting of Yizernitzky, Israel Sheib and Nathan Friedman-Yellin. They ordered the 1944 assassination of Lord Moyne, the British governor general of Cairo. He also murdered a peace negotiator, Count Bernadotte of Sweden. Shamir and the other two Lehi leaders set out in July 1948 to assassinate the UN peace mediator, Count Folke Bernadotte. They feared he would negotiate a cease-fire that would force Israeli forces to withdraw from West Jerusalem, which they had seized in defiance of the UN partition plan. The plan envisioned a Jewish and an Arab Palestinian state, with Jerusalem separate from both and under international supervision.
Lehi gunmen in Israeli uniforms intercepted Bernadotte's motorcade and pumped six bullets into Bernadotte, and 17 into a French colonel sitting beside him, killing both. Some Lehi members were arrested by Israeli police, but all were released by the time the fighting ended a few months later. One became a member of the Knesset 2 years later.
I hope this broadens your view of "terrorists", and sets the record straight concerning the history of terrorism in the Levant. Hamas and Hezbollah are relative newcomers to the scene. **
**HB -
You neglected to mention Yitzhak Yizernitzky, presently Yitzhak Shamir. He was one of the Jewish extremists who, between 1937 and 1939 yada, yada, yada to no end.**
The Martian ET is trying in his Jew-Hating posture to attitudinize some past historical event, which has no relevance with today's title of the ââ¬ËSemites and anti-Semitesââ¬â¢ threat he started.
Come to think about it, the Jews where then, fighting the Imperial British Regime for their independence long after the Treasonous Brits unilaterally carved 76,9% of the Patrimony of the Jews (described in the Balfour Declaration) and gave this part of the Mandate the Hashemite who just lost their realm called the 'Hedjaz' to the Saudis...
By running from pillar to post, and wiggling out of the thread you created on ââ¬ËSemites and anti-Semitesââ¬â¢ will not help you ET... Take your machine and fly off to the red planet.
Ed Toner
2003-08-09 21:42 | User Profile
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Avalanche
2003-08-09 21:43 | User Profile
Well, I guess HBarniv hasn't yet bothered to read his way through months of OD postings... How anyone could come here and say "Listen fella, I did not come here to be insulted by the resident 'Lowlifes' Jew-Haters..."?
He must have misunderstood the level of awareness and knowledge possessed by the majority of ODers. I would guess there are more of what he would call jew-haters here than not -- WE of course know that we are not "haters," (although many of us may share that EMOTION) but we are in fact, educated and aware of the destruction of our race, nation, and civilization by the jews, and hence we willingly and completely wish their (permanent!) removal from our midst!!
HBarniv, PLEASE go read through the essays, discussions , and comments that form the foundation of OD, and become awakened! You've been brainwashed to the NTH degree, and you've exposed your ignorance of the truth!
Realize too, that most of us were once as you are, deeply committed to protecting what we'd been taught was that tough valiant little "democracy' (oh scheiss! I'm gonna HURL if I have to keep writing this!! :drool: ) -- but now we know they are a plague of vermin, a destructive parasite, a cancer that has grown repeatedly and been excised repeatedly, and keeps coming back. OD is a version of medical treatment, and YOU are very very ill. Trust us, your doctors, to see to your return to as much health as one can have here in Greater Judea!!
Ed Toner
2003-08-09 22:00 | User Profile
Semite - (n) A member of any of the peoples supposed to be descendent from Shem, son of Noah, including Jews, Arabs, Assyrians, and Phoenicians.
I assume you are familiar with the definition of the word "Anti".
Actually, today an "anti-Semite" is anyone the Jews hate, as seen by their reaction to my writings.
So vaaat? So let them hate, already.
Und an udder ting, smarty pants. You said "Brits unilaterally carved 76,9% of the Patrimony of the Jews (described in the Balfour Declaration) and gave this part of the Mandate the Hashemite who just lost their realm called the 'Hedjaz' to the Saudis..."
Oy, not so. According to Moshe Menuhin, in his boof THE DECADENCE OF JUDAISM IN OUR TIME, starting on page 236, are the details of the population begining in 1918. At that time, the breakdown was : Moslems - 574,000 Jews - 56,000 Christians - 70,000.
The biggest influx of Jews came in 1931. Moselem - 759,700 Jews - 174,606 Christians - 88,907 Then, in 1946 (UNSCP Report) Arabs (Moslem and Christian) 1,293,000. Jews - 608,000. By the end of 1948: Jews - 758,702 Gentiles - 155,000. Jewish Emigration to Israel 1948 - 101,828 1949 - 239,756. Land Ownership at the end of the Mandate in 1948: Arab - 3,143,693 acres - 47.79% Jewish - 372,925 acres - 5.67% Then came the UN Partition Plan. LAND AND WATER SURFACE AREA: Arab State - 2,897,467 Acres, 42.88% Jewsih State - 3,815,412 Acres, 56.47% According to the plan, about 10,000 Jews would be left in the Arab Staet, but about 497,000 Palestinians would be left in the Jewish State. About 43% of the area of Palestine would be left to the Palestinian State, and 56% to the Jewish state, and 1% to the international state of Jerusalem. Until then. Jews had obtained by purchase about 6% of the area of Palestine, and constituted about a third of it's population of 1,800,000. The Jewish State included the coastal and other fertile plains, and the irrigable lands of the Tibris and Hula Basins. On the other hand, the Palestinian State would consist of the arid mountainous regions and sparsely cultiveable areas with little or no irrigation possibilities.According to the UN Partition Plan, According to the plan, about 10,000 Jews would be left in the Arab Stae, but about 497,000 Palestinians would be left in the Jewish State. About 43% of the area of Palestine would be left to the Palestinian State, and 56% to the Jewish state, and 1% to the international state of Jerusalem. Until then. Jews had obtained by purchase about 6% of the area of Palestine, and constituted about a third of it's population of 1,800,000.
The Jewish State included the coastal and other fertile plains, and the irrigable lands of the Tibris and Hula Basins. On the other hand, the Palestinian State would consist of the arid mountainous regions and sparsely cultiveable areas with little or no irrigation possibilities. Who can blame the Arabs for rejecting such a preposterous partition?
Roy Batty
2003-08-09 22:12 | User Profile
Originally posted by HBarniv+Aug 9 2003, 13:40 -->
QUOTE* (HBarniv @ Aug 9 2003, 13:40 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Ed Toner@Aug 9 2003, 15:07 * ** HB - You neglected to mention Yitzhak Yizernitzky, presently Yitzhak Shamir. He was one of the Jewish extremists who, between 1937 and 1939, killed more than 300 Arab civilians by machine-gunning passing buses and bombing open air restaurants and marketplaces. On one July day in 1938, they rolled an oil drum laden with explosives downhill into a bus stop in Haifa, killing 35 men, women and children and leaving othersÃÂ maimed and bleeding.
When World War II began, one group of these terrorists, calledÃÂ Irgun Zvai Leumi and headed by future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, declared a cease-fire with the British. The other group, Lehi, the Hebrew acronym for "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel " tried to ally itself first with fascist Italy, thenÃÂ with Nazi Germany and finally with Stalinist Russia.
Lehi became known as the ''Stern Gang" after its founder,ÃÂ Avraham Stern, who eventually was killed by the British, while his followers killed some 300 British policemen and soldiers. Leadership passed to a triumvirate consisting of Yizernitzky,ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ Israel Sheib and Nathan Friedman-Yellin. They ordered the 1944 assassination of Lord Moyne, the British governor general of Cairo.ÃÂ He also murdered a peace negotiator, Count Bernadotte of Sweden. Shamir and the other two Lehi leaders set out in July 1948 to assassinate the UN peace mediator, Count Folke Bernadotte. They feared he would negotiate a cease-fire that would force Israeli forces to withdraw from West Jerusalem, which they had seized in defiance of the UN partition plan. The plan envisioned a Jewish and an Arab Palestinian state, with Jerusalem separateÃÂ from both and under international supervision.
Lehi gunmen in Israeli uniforms intercepted Bernadotte'sÃÂ motorcade and pumped six bullets into Bernadotte, and 17 into aÃÂ ÃÂ French colonel sitting beside him, killing both. Some LehiÃÂ members were arrested by Israeli police, but all were released by the time the fighting ended a few months later.ÃÂ One became a member of the Knesset 2 years later.
I hope this broadens your view of "terrorists", and sets the record straight concerning the history of terrorism in the Levant. Hamas and Hezbollah are relative newcomers to the scene. **
**HB -
You neglected to mention Yitzhak Yizernitzky, presently Yitzhak Shamir. He was one of the Jewish extremists who, between 1937 and 1939 yada, yada, yada to no end.**
The Martian ET is trying in his Jew-Hating posture to attitudinize some past historical event, which has no relevance with today's title of the ââ¬ËSemites and anti-Semitesââ¬â¢ threat he started.
Come to think about it, the Jews where then, fighting the Imperial British Regime for their independence long after the Treasonous Brits unilaterally carved 76,9% of the Patrimony of the Jews (described in the Balfour Declaration) and gave this part of the Mandate the Hashemite who just lost their realm called the 'Hedjaz' to the Saudis...
By running from pillar to post, and wiggling out of the thread you created on ââ¬ËSemites and anti-Semitesââ¬â¢ will not help you ET... Take your machine and fly off to the red planet. **
This guy is a textbook example of all that MacDonald has written about. The hypocrisy, self deception (although this droog is probably well aware of the "whys" of his behavior), ethnocentrism, denial of responsibility etc. are fascinating. But it's useless to argue with Hebraic cretins. They are well aware that "anti-semitism" is a direct result of hateful, deceptive, destructive jewish behavior toward non-jews. They are the ultimate haters and hypocrites. We're just not supposed to know that, as they are supposed to be so smart, so secretive. So smug. But history always repeats itself. As it is doing again. That's the reason we're seeing the posts from this ... thing.
HBarniv
2003-08-10 00:50 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Aug 9 2003, 15:37 * ** > *The last premeditated murder of seven Israeli soldiers and a civilian murdered by an incited, deluded Arab Bus driver who ploughed through them at a Bus Stop following the words of the Qur'an which orders them to kill the "Kafirun = non believer" for the recompense of Paradise, 70 virgins and a multitude of young boys. **
Sounds like a fair deal, except for the "young boys" part you threw in as a last-minute extra smear.
I'm uncomfortable with the murder of innocents. But not nearly as uncomfortable as the half-century lights-out on Western press coverage of Israeli atrocities. If 'responsible' US journalists can cheerlead for smart-bombing sovereign peoples out of moral qualms, well, hell: I can certainly light a candle of gratitude every time an IDF killer ends up in a pine box. **
Sounds like a fair deal, except for the "young boys" part you threw in as a last-minute extra smear.**
I'm uncomfortable with the murder of innocents. But not nearly as uncomfortable as the half-century lights-out on Western press coverage of Israeli atrocities. If 'responsible' US journalists can cheerlead for smart-bombing sovereign peoples out of moral qualms, well, hell: I can certainly light a candle of gratitude every time an IDF killer ends up in a pine box.**
Not at all I do not smear, I tell the truth not like the coven of witches you all belong to... Check the Hadith.
I did not come in here to convert anyone but to fight inequity... I found out to my dismay that you are ALL so far a bunch of uneducated deviate with an agenda to "Hate Jews"... Good, hate all you wantââ¬Â¦ I am out of here!
I hope you all choke on this feeling, and when you do, I will come and urinate on your tombs. Adios! :punk:
Ed Toner
2003-08-10 01:11 | User Profile
So and more also doe God vnto the enemies of Dauid, if I leaue of all that pertaine to him by the morning light, any that pisseth against the wall." (I Samuel 25:22, see also I Kings 14:10, 16:11, II Kings 9:8.)
In all these instances the phrase is part of a threat (i.e., to kill every male in the household), but the phrase seems merely to distinguish graphically males from females. But I don't necessarily have a good ear for ancient Hebrew insults.
Don't let the door hit you in yer Kosher tushie.
Ragnar
2003-08-10 01:38 | User Profile
*Originally posted by HBarniv@Aug 10 2003, 00:50 * ** I did not come in here to convert anyone but to fight inequity... **
BWAHHH!
You came here to insult people and found out it cuts both ways.
So run away, chickensh*t.
W.R.I.T.O.S
2003-08-10 02:02 | User Profile
Originally posted by HBarniv+Aug 9 2003, 13:32 -->
QUOTE (HBarniv @ Aug 9 2003, 13:32 )
QUOTE* (Ragnar @ Aug 9 2003, 12:57 ) <!--QuoteBegin-HBarniv@Aug 9 2003, 14:50 * ** Before the 19th century, anti-Semitism was largely religious, based on the belief that Jews were responsible for Jesus' crucifixion... ** No, it was then called anti-Judaism which is more correct anyway.
At least a fact or two before you advertise your ignorance.**
**
Listen fella, I did not come here to be insulted by the resident 'Lowlifes' Jew-Haters, besides the fact that you pretend to know a lot, in itself does not give you 'Carte Blanche' to be insulting and obnoxious.
The term "anti-Semite" was coined in Germany in 1879 by Wilhelm Marrich to refer to the anti-Jewish manifestation of the period and to give Jew-hatred a more scientific sounding name. "Anti-Semitism" has been accepted and understood to mean hatred of the Jewish people. Dictionaries define the term as: "Theory, action, or practice directed against the Jews" and "Hostility towards Jews as a religious or racial minority group, often accompanied by social, economic and political discrimination."
The claim that Arabs are "Semites" cannot possibly be anti-Semitic is a semantic distortion that ignores the reality of Arab discrimination and hostility toward Jews, the most current example taking place not so long ago on a Saturday, when assailants opened fire on a bus traveling through Judea injuring five Israelis. The bus was traveling from the settlement of Kiryat Arba when assailants opened fire near the Arab village of Tarkumiya. Or, the last premeditated murder of seven Israeli soldiers and a civilian murdered by an incited, deluded Arab Bus driver who ploughed through them at a Bus Stop following the words of the Qur'an which orders them to kill the "Kafirun = non believer" for the recompense of Paradise, 70 virgins and a multitude of young boys. Wait, wait obnoxious person, do not think for a moment that you and your ilk will be safe, for as the Jew you are also a ââ¬ËKAFER= NON BELIEVERââ¬â¢ and your arse is on the line. **
Hey jewboy, the inhabitants of this forum are wise to your kosher games. Scratch a goy, find an antisemite, right? We have our own version: scratch a zhid, find liar.
madrussian
2003-08-10 02:14 | User Profile
Let me add: scratch a zhid, find an inbred self-deluded obsessive passive-agressive scatology-obsessed creep.
It's funny that zhids are powerless to intimidate people who are wise to them with their usual rhetoric. Anti-semites, blah, blah, blah.
il ragno
2003-08-10 03:02 | User Profile
**I found out to my dismay that you are ALL so far a bunch of uneducated deviate... **
I may be uneducated but at least I'm conversant with written English. It's "deviates".
Roy Batty
2003-08-10 07:35 | User Profile
As usual, they always attempt to dish it out, but not one of them can take it.
dragon5607
2003-08-10 13:40 | User Profile
Man you guys are good!! I don't think he'll be back. :crybaby:
Blond Knight
2003-08-10 18:59 | User Profile
HBarniv = HBendor? :shock:
Ragnar
2003-08-10 22:13 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Blond Knight@Aug 10 2003, 18:59 * ** HBarniv = HBendor? :shock: **
Blonde Knight,
Good work! I think we have a match. This is how his name appears at Amazon:
Zvi H. Bar-Niv (Editor) (And it's listed that way twice.)
Going from "H. B-N, Editor" to "HBendor" seems logical enough.
Centinel
2003-08-10 22:18 | User Profile
**Going from "H. B-N, Editor" to "HBendor" seems logical enough. **
The same Israel Firster who used to run amok on the NewsMax boards before they shut them down?
Wouldn't surprise me if they all turned out to be "Cachelot" from FReak Republik.
Ragnar
2003-08-11 01:53 | User Profile
One more addendum:
Rense just published Ed's original article, which should give it very wide readership:
[url=http://www.rense.com/general40/closer.htm]http://www.rense.com/general40/closer.htm[/url]
Excellent work, Ed!
mwdallas
2003-08-11 02:15 | User Profile
Attaboy, Ed.
Schon wieder.
Ed Toner
2003-08-11 14:15 | User Profile
Thanks to all. I hadn't realized Rense published my letter.
Also, the HBendor connection never dawned on me.
edward gibbon
2003-08-11 23:31 | User Profile
Admiral Bendor
Ed Toner wrote:> They didn't quit there. Being beaten by me, the ADL went to the head of the NJ JWV. He wrote to Tillinghast, TWA CEO at the time, and demanded Captain Toner be fired. When that failed, the JDL stepped in, threatened to kill me, my wife and 6 kids, rape them, blow up my home and car, etc.. I called the FBI in on this and it was investigated by Special Agent James Trahone. Using the FOIA, I was able to obtain the complete file. The file is Manhattan Bur. File # 9A-NY-228125. It has 86 pages. If you would like to examine it, please let me know. I will mail it to you.
Magnanimously Bendor replied:> 2) Why should any voice be raised against the Jewish State since it has not really offended ET personally? The State of Israel deals on a higher level with elected LEADERS of different Nations of the world, and I do not understand why a quasi pilot from Mars [color=red](TWA is a defunct operation today, thank G-d.[/color]) should have a grudge against a state that is trying to survive surrounded by Arab Nations committed to destroy it.
As I have written:> [color=red]Muslims once in their lifetime are bidden to take one journey for spiritual regeneration to Mecca in Saudi Arabia, the homeland of their faith. So too for Jews. The national chairman of the United Jewish Appeal was incensed that his organization in the pages of the New York Times was accused of not liking to use El Al Israel Airlines. The chairman publicly boasted in the letter column of the New York Times that El Al was "always" his organization's first choice. To prove his case the chairman quoted statistics for a 12-month period of 5029 flights. For passengers whose flights the United Jewish Appeal booked only 4956 flew part of the trip on El Al. Not to worry his audience, the chairman excused the other 73 by stating they could not be accommodated on El Al. Not to limit his influence, the chairman bragged that fellow Jewish organizations with whom they jointly raised funds overwhelmingly preferred to use El Al for their trips. Most specifically, he boasted of his community, Detroit, where three El Al jumbo jets were chartered to take 1300 participants on direct flights to Israel. There was no questioning if an American airline could have used the revenue, and if some of the money could have filtered down to an American employee[/color].
The above assertions by national Jewry were in a letter to the New York Times of July 7, 1993. Bendor and kin must believe they bestow grace upon others when they live amongst us. Yet their prideful arrogance is never to be commented on. Americans are not to question the snot-like behavior of Bendor and his kind. Jews have been disliked for centuries for behaving just as Bendor does. They have done much to bring misery to themselves.
Ed Toner
2003-08-12 12:17 | User Profile
There was a Jewish Connection with TWA. George Meyers CEO, Great Neck Jew BTW, set up TWA for a takeover and Jew Carl Ichan, of Flushing, bought it for a song with Junk Bonds.
Kiss TWA goodbye. Ichan stripped it, and put $62million in his pocket.
He did this, among other things like a 40% pay cut, by selling gates in LHR, EWR, and other vital places, to Continental.