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Thread ID: 8605 | Posts: 7 | Started: 2003-07-31
2003-07-31 02:15 | User Profile
[url=http://www.g2mil.com/]G2mil[/url] is a good website for military analysis from a Paleo-conservative point of view. They attack neo-conservative agendas and even attack Israeli policies. They even had an article about the Mossad plotting assasinations within the US!
** [url=http://www.g2mil.com/Aug2003.htm]http://www.g2mil.com/Aug2003.htm[/url]
THE IRAQ MESS
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ Invading Iraq has cost America over 200 dead with over 1000 seriously wounded.ÃÂ It has cost over $100 billion thus far, and will continue to cost $4 billion a month.ÃÂ Moreover, the justifications for invading Iraq have proven to be lies and Iraq is in worst shape today than when the Baathist ruled.ÃÂ Americans troops have not returned home after removing Saddam, but remain as conquerors.ÃÂ More chaos will come when the US tries to disarm the Kurds and informs the majority Shiite population that they can't form an Islamic state. Overall, invading Iraq may become the worst American foreign policy disaster since the Vietnam war.
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ Neo-cons have sent forth their spinmasters, like Newt Gingrich, to argue the USA is not stuck in a Vietnam-like quagmire.ÃÂ It is true there is no massive anti-American support from a major world power, but there is certainly support from violent elements in Iran, Syria, Lebanon and even Saudi Arabia.ÃÂ After large numbers of American troops arrived in Vietnam in 1965, Time magazine ran this article which proclaimed General William Westmoreland as "Man of the Year".ÃÂ It has some interesting segments about the first big year of that disastrous adventure:
Recently, Peking has made it a point to proclaim its delight at the prospect of the U.S.'s depleting its resources on a major land war in Asia.
From a force of fewer than 20,000 at the end of 1961, the Viet Cong had grown to a lethally effective terrorist army of 165,000.
Westmoreland belongs to the age of technology--a product not only of combat but also of sophisticated command and management colleges from Fort Leavenworth to Harvard Business School.
Under a more formal program, more than 1,000 experts with the U.S. Operations Mission are distributing more than $500 million a year in economic assistance, training civil servants in a dozen Saigon ministries and advising local officials.
Some critics have faulted the U.S. for naively seeking to impose U.S.-style democracy on South Viet Nam.
In 1965 the U.S. suffered 1,241 killed in action and 5,687 wounded.
Johnson has yet to address himself in particular to the great majority of Americans who generally support his Viet Nam policy, though not in many cases without a certain apprehension.
In a war in which the kindly-looking peasant often turns out to be a gun-toting guerrilla, that can be a tall order. Snapped a marine private: "We try to help those damn people and you know what they do? They send in their kids to steal our grenades and ammunition and use them to kill us. The hell with them!"
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ The biggest difference between Vietnam and Iraq was the presence of a large South Vietnamese army.ÃÂ After the recent invasion of Iraq, many assumed the US Army would accept surrender of entire Iraq units, then continue to feed and pay them so they could maintain civil order.ÃÂ After a couple weeks of reeducation and replacement of a few officers, the Iraqi Army could retake control under close US supervision as most US troops go home.ÃÂ However, after victory was declared on May 1st, nothing was done.ÃÂ After some criticism, on June 23, the US ruler in Iraq announced plans for a new Iraqi army: "an initial division of 12,000 men will be ready within a year and will grow to 40,000 within three years."ÃÂ This is just a fraction of the Saddam's military force of 400,000.ÃÂ The US viceroy also announced that up to 250,000 ex-soldiers will be eligible for support payments of $50 to $150 per month from the US administration, which are good wages in Iraq.ÃÂ ÃÂ
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ This is absurd.ÃÂ These jobless Iraqis are former soldiers, they have uniforms and plenty of Iraqi military equipment is laying around, so re-form several divisions within 30 days.ÃÂ Since they plan to pay 250,000 ex-Iraqi soldiers anyway, why not make them show up for work, even just picking up trash or patrolling the streets unarmed?ÃÂ A few months ago, Iraqi soldiers were called a serious threat to regional security, now they are considered too inept to guard a hospital, like the one where three American soldiers were killed last week.ÃÂ ÃÂ
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ Rather than instantly re-forming Iraqi units, the US Army announced that it will pay the Vinnell Corporation, an insider group which employs retired Army Generals, $48 million to "train" 12,000 Iraqi soldiers.ÃÂ They claim this will take year, and Vinnell hopes to make "training the Iraqi Army" a permanent gravy train like they have in Saudi Arabia, and had in Vietnam.ÃÂ ÃÂ Meanwhile, US Army Generals can hold their soldiers as pawns for their goal of a larger active duty US Army.ÃÂ The longer US troops remain in Iraq, the better chance they have at getting approval more active duty divisions, and the more "combat command time" and medals senior officers accumulate.ÃÂ Yes, many US Generals are that devious, which is how they became Generals.ÃÂ
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ As US Army units are finally withdrawn from Germany, ten active duty divisions is more than the USA truly needs, especially with the equivalent of 14 divisions in the Army National Guard.ÃÂ ÃÂ However, Army Generals have refused to re-form any Iraqi Army units, and refuse to request the deployment of any National Guard divisions; although many smaller elements have been sent to Iraq.ÃÂ Army Generals, through their contractor financed political front (the Association of the US Army) have been politicking for an increase in the active duty Army to 12 divisions for the past decade.ÃÂ As he left office in August, General Shinseki stated that 12 divisions were needed.ÃÂ
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ In short, American GIs will be held hostage in Iraq until Army Generals get their 12 active duty divisions.ÃÂ This is nothing new.ÃÂ When George Bush ran for President in 2000, he stated that European troops should replace American troops in the Balkans.ÃÂ After the election, he was quickly overruled.ÃÂ This high-level misplaced loyalty exists in all the US military since only officers who demonstrate total loyalty to their service advance to the flag officer ranks.ÃÂ Another example exists in the US Navy, which was detailed in a G2mil editorial a year ago: "The Submarine Mafia".
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ Civilian leaders may suspect this game is in play, but feel uncomfortable overruling the Generals in charge.ÃÂ However, it should be obvious the US Army wants to keep several divisions in Iraq for years and has lined up Congressional support for a larger active duty army.ÃÂ Civilian leaders must end this game and firmly state that America has ample National Guard forces to rotate overseas, so there will be no increase in active duty forces.ÃÂ Second, they must demand that several Iraqi divisions be re-formed by regular US Army forces within 30 days using captured Iraq equipment.ÃÂ Just re-form the same Iraqi divisions where they were based, except the eight Republican Guard divisions whose soldiers are free to join the regular Army. These Iraqi soldiers understand the people, the problems, and have great experience with small arms and civil control. Otherwise, they have no jobs and have nothing better to do than rob, loot, and ambush Americans.ÃÂ The only challenge is selecting a new cast of Generals.ÃÂ ÃÂ
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ Civilian leaders must also demand that US troop levels in Iraq be reduced immediately.ÃÂ American combat units are only needed to hunt for Saddam Hussein and to keep an eye on the new Iraqi Army.ÃÂ Removing the "imperial troops" from the streets will defuse the growing resistance movement in Iraq.ÃÂ Kicking down doors and throwing Iraqis into prison camps guarded by American "liberators" will not tame Iraq.ÃÂ Moreover, the USA claimed it was invading Iraq to remove Saddam Hussein from power and eliminate Weapons of Mass Destruction.ÃÂ Those missions have been accomplished, so bring the GIs home now before today's General Westmorelands succeed in prolonging and expanding this conflict.ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ
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2003-07-31 17:19 | User Profile
Originally posted by Leland Gaunt@Jul 31 2003, 05:51 * ** > *Civilian leaders must also demand that US troop levels in Iraq be reduced immediately.ÃÂ American combat units are only needed to hunt for Saddam Hussein and to keep an eye on the new Iraqi Army.ÃÂ **
Why? So they are preaching a softer, less risky IMPERIALISM? Who are they to "hunt down Saddam Hussein"? Who are they to "keep an eye on the Iraqi Army"?
This makes me sick! They should get out. They should have never went in in the first place. :thd: **
Well G2mil was extremly against the war in Iraq.
If you read these past editorials, you would see their true thoughts on the war [url=http://www.g2mil.com/Feb2003.htm]http://www.g2mil.com/Feb2003.htm[/url] [url=http://www.g2mil.com/May2002.htm]http://www.g2mil.com/May2002.htm[/url]
They've also expressed a desire for the return of American troops from overseas in many other editorials. [url=http://www.g2mil.com/Oct2002.htm]http://www.g2mil.com/Oct2002.htm[/url] [url=http://www.g2mil.com/July2002.htm]http://www.g2mil.com/July2002.htm[/url] this one titled "Bring the Legions Home"
So I don't agree 100% with G2mil, I do agree that American troops should pull out now from Iraq. However, they're one of the few military analysis sites that talks about military affairs from a paleoconservative point of view, as opposed to neo-con government/corporate nonsense.
2003-07-31 20:46 | User Profile
**They all think everyone is so anxious to copy their "way of life", adapt their "culture". The entire debatte just circles around their domestic needs. they dont want to reduce troops and garnisons because it's outragous to treat foreign countries like colonial entitys and mere resource and military bases, but because it's just in their own interest. Its to "expensive" and then the "poor troops" that are away from their loved ones ect. ect. They don't give a damned about other people. **
It comes from the yankee Puritans. Many Americans resisted their be-like-us-or-die for generations before they, sadly, embraced the conqueror's blind arrogance. (Being thought "unpatriotic" is reminiscent of being thought a witch). Presto, the ripe-for-the-Jew American mercenary. I hope Germans and Japanese and other peoples are made of sterner stuff.
2003-07-31 23:07 | User Profile
They are always fighting "the evil." At different times it has been different things: witches in the Salem Witch Trials, drunks in the temperance movement, Irish Catholics during Know-Nothingism, slaveowners, the German "Hun" who later became the evil Nazi, the racist Southerner since the 1960s, the Communist Red, and most recently the "terrorist." There is always some boogeyman which the forces of righteousness - the Yankee - must overcome. For this reason, every war for them must be ideological and quasi-religious. It cannot simply be a war against a political opponent. It must be a war for "freedom" or a war for "democracy" or a war for "equality" or something of that nature.
2003-07-31 23:13 | User Profile
Leland. The guy also said that Germany doesn't really need American aid since Germany has the most powerful army in Europe and NATO to back it.
That quote I believe was in reference against American involvement. Myer was talking about the typical attitude among American politicians.
2003-08-01 09:32 | User Profile
The holier-than-God Yank prigs have been stirring sh*t up in this country far longer than the jew filth have. If anything, they're to be hated even more - and coming from me, that's saying something.
John Brown. Henry Ward Beecher. Harriet Beecher Stowe. William Lloyd Garrison. Charles Sumner. Robert Gould Shaw. The Kennedys (100% spiritual Yank). Thaddeus Stevens. No one in the history of mankind was more evil than these loathsome scum.
No one.
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2003-08-01 10:51 | User Profile
Don't forget the role they have played in the development of the nation either. In the very early years they opposed American control of the Mississippi River out of financial self interest. They opposed the Louisiana Purchase. They threatened to secede during Jefferson's embargo. Many of them actually quit the War of 1812 and were preparing to secede again when Jackson defeated the British at New Orleans. They kicked up such a fuss over the annexation of Florida that we ceded Texas to Spain which later had to fight to win its own independence from Mexico. They threatened to secede over the annexation of Texas because of the fear that their own power might be diminished. Speaking of Mexico, they opposed that war as well. If they would have had their way, we never would have acquired California or the Southwest. They blocked attempts to annex Northern Mexico and Cuba. They set themselves up as the ideal of the "true Americans" when in fact they were dragged kicking and screaming against their will across the continent.
The only real war they have ever been truly enthusiastic about since the Revolution was the war they waged against their own people to overthrow the Constitution, who seceded from the Union to preserve it, a war which was motivated on their part not out of concern for the Negro who could not even enter many of their states, but fear of losing the ability to rob the South with protective tariffs, as they were to do until virtually the Eisenhower administration, while the South writhed in forced poverty for almost a century after the war. After the Confederacy fell, they went about the process of slaughtering the Western indians to make way for the subsidized transcontinental railroads. This is where the story of the "Buffalo Soldiers" came from actually. They used Negroes to kill the Buffalo in order to starve to death the Plains Indians - some humanitarians! LOL they even expelled the Southern states from Congress years after the war and organized them like conquered territories under military dictators to force us to ratify the so-called 14th Amendment. Under the heel of absolute despotism, they laid the Constitutional groundwork for the consolidated tyranny we live under today.
Their ascendency to dominance within the Union led to the most corrupt age in American history. They gave the Negro citizenship simply to use him as a tool to financially plunder the South and keep a lock on power, something they were quite successful in doing by the way. It was at about this time they begin searching abroad for foreign markets in which to peddle all the pretty new products produced by industrialization, pushed by corporations and special interests, so they began developing a powerful navy. The Virgin Islands and Samoa fell not long after the war like Alaska. The Empire begins to expand. Then came Hawaii, next came the Spanish-American War and Guam, the Phillippines, Cuba, and Puerto Rico. Increasingly they began to come into conflict with the Europeans, such as the Germans, who were also industrializing and working their way into new markets in places like China, Korea, and Japan. All the competition ultimately generated WW1, in which the Yank, with all his commerical ties to the British Empire and its foreign markets, egged on by the Jews, decided it was worth his while to enter. The world must be saved for "democracy." This indirectly led to the triumph of Communism in Russia which later planted its roots through the Internationale in North Korea, Vietnam, China, Cuba, and elsewhere. Fleming has a good book about this out.
The Twenties never roared in the South, just as there was never any "Gilded Age" around here, thanx to the Yank in all his arrogance, wantonness, and self-righteousness, although that is commonly taught in "American History" books today. Decades of his protectionism, via the Republican Party, had bled the periphery areas of the United States of their capital and concentrated it in places like New York City. This led to all the wild speculation that ultimately triggered the misery of the Great Depression which elevated Roosevelt of New York and his Jewish coterie into power. Roosevelt of course went out of his way to lie Americans into entering WW2, which he finally managed to pull off by deliberately antagonizing the Japanese and the Germans.
Having destroyed Germany and left all of Europe defenceless all Stalin and the Bolsheviks had to do was move in and set up shop over the corpse of Eastern and Central Europe. The stage was set for more Southern boys to serve as cannon fodder in the Vietnams and the Koreas, wars we never really fought to win, as MacArthur was chastised for pointing out, but simply to generate profit.
It was only a matter of time before the Yank in his historical anti-Southern prejudice connected the white Southerner, who had fought against Germany, with Nazism, just as the British put the knife in the back of the South Africans and the Rhodesians who were also fooled into fighting against Germany. The evangelical Puritan types in that part of the country then locked hands with the Jews (in their fanatic paranoia to stop anti-semitism after the Nazis) and the plutocrats in a new crusade against the South to destroy segregation. This was necessary because colonialism had ended and the Communists were successfully throwing the Yanks out of third world markets they so eagerly desired as the spoils of the war by identifying them with racism, not to mention the fact many of the elites had come to see a massive third world population of peons to exploit as a good thing. The last 30 years have borne witness to much of the same.