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Thread ID: 8576 | Posts: 32 | Started: 2003-07-30
2003-07-30 00:52 | User Profile
Well...thanks to the moral sewer that American society has become, I suppose something like this was bound to happen sooner or later.
[url=http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030729/ts_alt_afp/us_gays_school_030729152831]New York to open first gay high school in US[/url]
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NEW YORK (AFP) - New York City is set to open the first US full-fledged publicly funded high school specifically for gay, lesbian, bisexual and trans-gender pupils, official said.
The Harvey Milk High School officially opens as a public school in September with a roll call of around 100 students, and aims to bring that number up to 170 by the following year.
"Everybody feels that it's a good idea because some of the kids who are gays and lesbians have been constantly harassed and beaten in other schools and this lets them get an education without having to worry," Mayor Michael Bloomberg told reporters at his daily briefing.
The school has been operating unofficially for nearly two decades as a small alternative programme with just two classrooms.
The first principal of the school, which is named after a gay former San Francisco county supervisor assassinated in 1978, will be a former Wall Street executive, William Salzman.
"This school will be a model for the country and possibly the world," Salzman said in an interview with the New York Post.
"This is not a touchy-feely situation," Salzman said. "We intend to have 95 percent of our students go on to college."
The school, located in downtown Manhattan, is currently undergoing a 3.2-million-dollar, city-funded face-lift.
Conservative groups have denounced the school's creation as "social engineering" and a waste of taxpayers' money.
2003-07-30 01:07 | User Profile
Hee hee.
Boys Curriculum: Interior Decorating, Performing Arts, Floral Design, Costume Design, Hairdressing.
Girls Curriculum: P.E.
2003-07-30 01:59 | User Profile
Shop class includes bumhole lubrication. Health Class is a full year of HIV and STD studies.
2003-07-30 16:13 | User Profile
You're right. The word "homophobia" is very Jewish, since corruption of language for propaganda reasons is a very Jewish thing to do. Conflate non-acceptance or annoyance of homosexuals with a "phobia" and the propaganda battle is pretty much won.
See: "Xenophobia", "Anti-Semitism", "Authoritarian Personality"
If taxpayers are forced to pay for a special gay school because gays need "protection", then let's have a White public school to protect White students from Black thugs.
2003-07-30 18:10 | User Profile
Intense, visceral hatred is the minute fraction of what is called "homophobia" nowadays. Homophobia is now defined as lack of total acceptence, ridicule, disgust, or annoyance at homosexuals. Hey, what better way to cause hatred, ridicule, disgust, and annoyance at homosexuals than to lump them all in a seperate tax-funded school?
2003-07-30 19:44 | User Profile
Ugh, you're obtuse.
I doubt anyone has a problem with homosexual-only school as a concept (that whole freedom of association thing and all) but tend to balk when called upon to fund through taxes such an institution coddling a practice they personally find morally outrageous, the insult being made all the more injurious by the fact that others, say, Whites, wishing to exercise their own freedom of association (even without a dime of tax money) would be ridiculed, harrassed and probably jailed, not lauded by the mayor of a major city and given free cash to subsidize their separationist goals.
2003-07-30 20:20 | User Profile
Originally posted by Raina@Jul 30 2003, 13:27 * If you don't like being around those in touch with their same-sex desires, what's your problem with giving us our own schools? One would think you'd jump at the opportunity. Mind you, I think it's a ridiculous idea, but....*
Why should White Americans pay out of their pocket to protect homosexuals while they aren't allowed to segregate to protect themselves? Hypocrisy. Abolish the current Public Education System. Make it a "user fee" service so that people who would rather homeschool don't have to pay taxes on their shite.
2003-07-30 20:23 | User Profile
You're using Jewish corruption of language tactics, calling taboos, disapproval, and disgust "homophobia". Most societies had sexual taboos involving things like homosexuality, even ancient Pagan Europeans. Mind you, they didn't have the "raging visceral hatred" or whatever, but there were taboos and ridicule.
2003-07-30 20:26 | User Profile
specifically for gay, lesbian, bisexual and trans-gender pupils
Are you referring to the gender-conflicted and switch-hitters?
Talk about splitting hairs!
It might surprise you, coming from a raging "homophobe" and all, but I've managed to deal with homosexuals socially and professionally all without hitting them with a Bible, lashing them to a barbed-wire fence or otherwise injuring their civil rights.
You know what the secret was? I didn't delve into their sex lives and they, courteously enough, didn't feel the need to expound upon the same or launch into a tirade about homophobia.
As to the assertion that a white ethnic group doesn't exist, are you kidding me?
2003-07-30 20:40 | User Profile
Wow, ancient Greeks qualify as "most societies" around the world, or even Europe? Those amazing ancient Greeks - everywhere. No Germanic tribes, Vikings, Celts or anyone else around Pagan Europe - just Greeks.
2003-07-30 21:27 | User Profile
I click on this thread for some really uncalled-for queer jokes & double-entendres and instead I get a SPLC-underwritten slide show promoting understanding for "those in touch with their same-sex desires". Feh!
So in other words heteros are "OUT OF touch with their same-sex desires"? But of course. Stigmatize the norm, every opportunity you get...that's how you build 'tolerance'!
Until we have a White Entertainment Television, a Hetero Pride parade in every city and employment contracts stipulating paid paternity leave, I'd say we don't NEED any single-agenda schools....our kids are already learning that 'hetero', like 'white' and 'male', is the calling card of The Cruel Oppressor and that the only good, worthy (and in any case, cool) people are Victims. And they already know which people are the Victims - they're the fabulous millionaires they see on tv constantly. (Very very few Cruel Oppressors have their own tv shows; it's almost always Victims or very cool quasi-Oppressors inordinately sympathetic to Victims.)
But the Harvey Milk School? Guy's one enduring claim to fame was reaching for his glazed donut one morning and eating a bullet instead. Is that all it takes to be a martyr if you're gay? "Well, he enjoyed anonymous butt-sex with total strangers and a dog collar around his neck. And then of course he was shot by a disappointed office-seeker." Well, damn! James Garfield was shot by a disappointed office-seeker, but I guess that undented rectum of his is keeping his name off dozens, maybe hundreds, of government buildings.
And how does that send a positive message to gay kids? The guy they named your damn school after got shot in the face for being queer...how much hope you got? But of course they'd never name such a school Liberace Tech or the Rip Taylor Academy. Only victims, after all, are cool these days.
2003-07-30 22:04 | User Profile
The Jews are the ones who invented homophobia.
Again, you completely ignore the fact that most societies around the world, including European Pagan ones, such as Viking, Germanic, Anglo, etc had some level of same-sex taboos and/or ridiculed men who took it up the fudgehole. Since you continue to use the word "homophobia" to mean discouragement, taboo, or ridicule of homosexuality rather than the "profound hatred" that Wintermute attributes to Judaism, I'm going to have to assume that you actually think some Jews invented Homophobia and spread it to Pagan North Europe before the rest of their fellow Jews got there, where it magically caught on like wildfire due to the Jewish "Gift of the Gab".
2003-07-30 22:18 | User Profile
Until we have a White Entertainment Television, a Hetero Pride parade in every city and employment contracts stipulating paid paternity leave, I'd say we don't NEED any single-agenda schools
The standard response to this is usually (delivered in tones of aggrieved self-righteousness), "Every TV station is de facto White Entertainment Television! Every day is Hetero Pride Day! Men don't need paternity leave because they oppress and brainwash their wives into doing the child care! We just want something for [insert aggrieved group here]!"
2003-07-31 00:47 | User Profile
I don't approve of "hetero pride." My heterosexuality as such is no more a source of pride to me than the fact that I walk upright or breathe air. If you marry, raise a family, keep faith with your wife/husband, that's another matter - responsible and constructive sexual behavior should be as much a source of pride as responsible and constructive behavior in any other part of your life. But to be proud of one's orientation? That's special pleading for those bedevilled with guilty consciences; and the real reason there's not a noticeable "hetero pride" movement.
2003-07-31 01:06 | User Profile
Until we have a White Entertainment Television, a Hetero Pride parade in every city and employment contracts stipulating paid paternity leave, I'd say we don't NEED any single-agenda schools....
Y'know, there was a wee bit of facetiousness at work in this passage...
2003-07-31 01:22 | User Profile
**Y'know, there was a wee bit of facetiousness at work in this passage... **
Understood - I was responding more to MST's comments than yours. And I've heard "straight pride" advocated more-or-less seriously, once or twice. It's just that whenever I hear about "gay pride," or see one of their parades in the news, I think, "the ladies doth protest too much." Publicly asserting "pride" to try to purge themselves of well-earned self-loathing. :D
2003-07-31 03:40 | User Profile
If "homophobia" is so jewish in nature, why is it that gay advocacy groups have always and forever been underwritten by jews, and that jews have one of the highest homosexuality rates in the world, up there with their muslim brothers/enemies?
"Wherever homosexuality is allowed, it becomes common", huh?. The examples given are, of course, of once-great societies as they were nearing their final collapse. And who better to emulate than corrupt socities approaching their bitter, sticky end?
2003-07-31 03:43 | User Profile
Isn't "approaching sticky ends" what this thread is all about, anyway?
2003-07-31 06:30 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Raina@Jul 30 2003, 15:37 * ** Homophobia is Jewish. **
Raina, back in the real world, the jewish state of NYC is promoting sodomy. However, NYC has a way to go to catch up with the official jewish state of Israel when it comes to brownnosing with homosexuals.
A school for homos? How does the restroom situation work? How do showers in gym class work?
Hey, Reina, what do you think of those bigots at your local high school who force boys and girls to shower separately? You can run around calling the girls phobic when they resist showering in front of the boys. (not that being a boy makes one a total pervert, as being a homo does)
Civilization is impossible in a society that embraces sodomites.
2003-07-31 15:37 | User Profile
Edana,
I have read the Germanic tribes buried sodomites alive as well as unchaste women and cowards who ran away from the enemy in face of battle.
2003-07-31 16:02 | User Profile
Sappho vividly discussed her pedophilic & lesbian & bisexual & polyamorous & other unions in public - through her poetry. Greek athletes had group sexual activities in public - often following athletic events which were held naked. Their artwork testifies to this. Surely you're aware of all this. So some of your claims here are downright dishonest. In fact, they contradict many of your earlier statements.
Interesting idea about Greek athletes having group sex in public.
Maybe the next time us guys get together for a basketball game we'll do something different: instead of the losers buying the beer, the losers of the game will, well, get to bend over for the winners.
I would imagine this would add a whole new level of intensity to the game! I'll bet that those who are slacking off will play a whole lot better!
The coach will just wave a jar of vaseline at those who are missing shots and they will start making 3 pointers in a hurry.
2003-07-31 16:36 | User Profile
Originally posted by Raina@Jul 31 2003, 00:39 * I would have no problem with integrated showers. Ever seen the movie Gattaca*? The way males & females showered together without hangups? That's how it could be in reality. Not that I expect the USA to implement it anytime soon.
You might not like it, but homophobia is indeed Jewish. Even Wintermute admitted it until his leaders ordered him to zip his lips.**
So, you think it's possible that life could be a perpetual cross between fictional movies and the end of the ancient Greek/Roman civilization type of Utopia? If you think it's possible for men and women to shower together without a bunch of sexual arousal issues, you are totally cut off from reality. We aren't Gattaca actors. We are flesh and blood with biological physical and mental urges.
I'm requesting that you put forth your definition of homophobia as well. Wintermute defined Jewish homophobia as "profound hatred", while you are using the word to conflate Jewish hatred with non-acceptance, disgust, or ridicule.
Like it or not, pagan Northern Europeans had taboos against male homosexuality and associated taking it up the fudgehole with a loss of status, loss of manliness, weakness, etc. It was generally looked upon with ridicule and contempt. Where is the Jewish origin of that, Raina?
2003-07-31 17:36 | User Profile
You think it's possible that life could be a perpetual cross between Triumph of the Will and My Awakening?
When did I ever mention Triumph of the Will and My Awakening? I haven't even seen Triumph of the Will.
If you think that it's possible for men to shower with men (or women with women) without a bunch of sexual arousal issues, you are totally cut off from reality. Sexual contact is already very common in same-sex showers (in prisons, campuses, the military, etc.) Integrated showers would merely throw 'heterosexuality' into the mix - what's wrong with that? Are you a heterophobic bigot?
The purpose of the shower is to get clean, not to cruise for sex. Throwing heterosexuality in the mix would turn showers into a heterosexual version of gay public baths where single promiscuous people would just go to cruise for partners. People who aren't interested in cruising or being cruised, or feel that their bodies are not "up to par" would be driven elsewhere.
And, no, I did not have sexual arousal issues in my high school gym class. I also don't think that rape-filled prisons and gays in the military and campuses is good proof that men can't shower with other men without sexual issues.
Just as we aren't toy soldiers for would-be Hitlers & their fantasies of world domination.
Do you really thing everyone here is a National Socialist into World Domination? I couldn't give a crap about Hitler or World Domination. I just want to be left alone in a peaceful, monocultural society which is safe and secure for my in-group, where I won't be a minority in my own country and targeted by professional whiners for handouts, extortion, and gang violence. I don't want to live in Chinatown, Little India, Mexico Del Norte, or Little Somalia. I don't want to live under your World Domination of "Global Village" types who want to engineer every society into a "multicultural" egalitarian utopia. And this makes me a would-be-Hitler? Take a hike!
**I agree with Wintermute's definition. I've never conflated the two. In fact, I've ridiculed the more silly 'gay' activists (you know, the kind who say bisexuality doesn't exist, etc.).
I see plenty of homophobia here - including calls for extermination, serious punishments, claims that it's morally abhorrent, etc. **
When a certain group is used as a hammer by your enemies against your in-group, people tend to get pissed about and react against the hammer. Personally, I normally wouldn't care about homosexuality. It's not a huge thing for me. However, homosexuals, with their silly martyr complexes, are being cultivated by the elite as yet another damn victim group which will follow the same pattern as all the rest - use the self-righteous victim martyr stance to whine and demand for more legislation to benefit themselves at the expense of everyone else and to demonize my in-group as "evil" "oppressive" and "pathologica" and in need of forced government-given sensitivity training. Such as, taxpayers being forced to pay for a freakin' gay public school and government forcing people to hire them.
Evidence?
This was discussed on another thread with Wintermute.
If that's true, why did the Nazis allow openly gay people such as Ernst Roehm into high positions?
What did the German National Socialists have to do with ancient Pagan North European society?? Did Ernst Roehm run around in spandex and leather like a little jerk-off and shout "I'm here, I'm queer, Get used to it!" through Berlin?
2003-07-31 20:18 | User Profile
Understood - I was responding more to MST's comments than yours. And I've heard "straight pride" advocated more-or-less seriously, once or twice. It's just that whenever I hear about "gay pride," or see one of their parades in the news, I think, "the ladies doth protest too much." Publicly asserting "pride" to try to purge themselves of well-earned self-loathing.
I was being a tad sarcastic, myself. But the question of why can't we have a whites-only school if we can have (and are forced to pay for) a gay/switch-hitter/gender-conflicted-only school is a serious one, IMO.
Usually, you get some variation of the "answer" in my previous post.
Edana,
Valiant effort on your part, ma'am, but I think you may be elevating your BP for nothing.
2003-07-31 20:33 | User Profile
**Why do any serious people here humor this dishonest antagonist? Her motivation for being here is clearly different from our own. It's not a good-faith debate, so why take the bait? **
I doubt she is dishonest.
She is honestly a part of a great American tradition: the tradition of the crank and crackpot. Her heirs have given us such gems as Christian Science, nudism and patent medicines.
Today she is selling liberation via the penis or vagina, or running around naked or folks showering together.
Probably she will get bored and move onto selling other nostrums. She will be hectoring people about something else: like, how we all need to stand buck naked before a full moon and smell each others armpits: that, she will tell her victims is the real, undiscovered way to liberation! And those that disagree will be endlessly lectured and will be told that the ancients did it and how can anyone possibly disagree, etc., etc. She will then discover that the middle class (or maybe the Jews) are just too uptight to see her brilliance and (sigh), nobody understands her liberating ideas. And honest citizens will be lectured and scolded (and bored).
On and on it goes.
2003-07-31 20:57 | User Profile
**Jean-Marie Le Pen has admitted stripping off and running around the Acropolis in Athens.
He says it made him feel "like a Greek God".
The Far Right leader says he undressed during his first trip to Greece in 1947.
He told the Greek Elefthérotypia newspaper: "I spent the night in the Parthenon, and as no-one else was around I took my clothes off and started running about.
"I did what the ancient Greek athletes used to do, running in the nude, and it made me feel like a Greek God."**
Sorry, Sappho, but stripping naked for a run in total solitude is a fur piece from gobbling on matching gonads.
....same-sex sexuality was intensely celebrated in the arts, literature, & everyday activities such as athletics.
Frankly, if homosexuality is tolerated or normalized, it ceases to be something a society "intensely celebrates". The commonplace is rarely noticed out of its context, let alone demarcated for special celebration. What is intensely celebrated is every historical tidbit that can be wrenched out of context to support the modern-day agenda of deviants & malcontents.
Ask black people to name three facts about Thomas Jefferson. Betcha there's a long pause after #1, he knocked up a sista.
2003-07-31 21:00 | User Profile
**You racists are the cranks & crackpots. I'm sure that I have more friends & a more interesting life than you do. **
Really? You've posted 100+ excruciatingly long-winded comments in two weeks here. That fabulous life of yours seems to be spent hunched over a monitor.
2003-07-31 21:21 | User Profile
Ahh, but you're not talking about "porn" and "bathroom walls".....the disdained back-alleys of culture. You said 'celebrated'....nobody including the producer of "Nuts on Butts Vol. 16" would claim it's a celebration of anything (unless they were in legal hot water because of it).
I generally like your feisty combativeness, but please, Raina...spare us the "I lead a fuller life than YOU guys due to my squishy leftist inclusiveness, racial egalitarianism and sapphic tendencies." You don't know me, where I've been, who I know or what I do. But - all things being equal in cyberspace - you're just another nut on a message board as far as I'm concerned. (As I doubtless am to you.) So can the self-promotion, please.
2003-07-31 21:53 | User Profile
Uh, Lane, you racists are the cranks & crackpots. I'm sure that I have more friends & a more interesting life than you do. You're the one into goofy "Aryan" crap holed up in a compound somewhere. Talk about cranks!
You're kinda cute when you get angry!
I'm not always against this homosexual stuff----I firmly believe that someone as liberated as you fully deserves to have stuff stuck up their behinds. You have worked long and hard at being liberated and it is only fair you get a reward.
In the meantime, keep on cranking.
2003-08-01 09:33 | User Profile
Interesting, and to think, I was under the impression that all the "respectable people" considered segregation to be "evil." Let the gays have their public school in NYC but do not complain when we re-establish white schools in Alabama.
2003-08-01 14:16 | User Profile
FadeTheButcher,
Yes!> **Let the gays have their public school in NYC but do not complain when we re-establish white schools in Alabama. **
2003-08-01 14:24 | User Profile
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