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Walter E Kurtz [OP]

2003-07-28 17:26 | User Profile

What is the story with this man? The newstand by my house recently began carrying American Free Press and I must say that while many of the photographs that are garnered from overseas sources are quite impressive, the writing quality is sorely lacking. Furthermore, there is little to no documentation/references/sources cited to bring credibility to the claims that are made by the AFP.

If I'm not mistaken, Carto is still at the helm of the Liberty Lobby and AFP. What is strange to me about this man (Carto) is that he was not only one of the last people to see Francis Parker Yockey alive, but he also published many copies of "Imperium" at his own expense. Carto's ideology has absolutely nothing in common with Yockey's...and the introduction that Carto wrote to the 1990 edition of "Imperium" is abysmal.

Does anybody have any insight into Carto, his Yockey fixation, his bizarre magazine, or his ideology?

Centinel

2003-07-28 17:42 | User Profile

Here is an old Washington Times article archived on FReak Republik:

[url=http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b4ab2552ec0.htm]Liberty Lobby goes under, ends Spotlight publication[/url]

Apparently, American Free Press is Carto's successor to Spotlight. The publication recently signed on Gordon Thomas, author of Seeds of Fire, as a contributor.

Let's see...a Google search turned up this Tom Metzger screed:

[url=http://homepage.mac.com/lsf/others/010706Metzger.html]Tom Metzger's personal exposÃÂ© of the CARTO/FARREL Affair[/url]

And another by Bill White:

[url=http://homepage.mac.com/lsf/others/020209billwhite.html]Bill White on American Free Press[/url]

And, there is also a site that archives many of their articles for free:

[url=http://www.denverspiritualcommunity.org/AmericanFreePress/AFPIndex2003.htm]http://www.denverspiritualcommunity.org/Am...FPIndex2003.htm[/url]

[url=http://www.denverspiritualcommunity.org/AmericanFreePress/AFPIndex2002.htm]http://www.denverspiritualcommunity.org/Am...FPIndex2002.htm[/url]

One thing I find interesting is that major paleo writers like Buchanan, Francis, and Sobran don't link to American Free Press on their sites. If it ain't quality enough to get their seal of approval, it ain't gonna have a significant impact.

You may want to check out [url=http://www.manews.org]Middle American News[/url] instead for a newspaper.

Okiereddust

2003-07-28 18:26 | User Profile

Originally posted by Centinel@Jul 28 2003, 17:42 * Apparently, American Free Press is Carto's successor to Soptlight. The publication recently signed on Gordon Thomas, author of Seeds of Fire, as a contributor.* That's what it claims to be

**Let's see...a Google search turned up this Tom Metzger screed:

And another by Bill White:

[url=http://homepage.mac.com/lsf/others/020209billwhite.html]Bill White on American Free Press[/url]**

I'm sure their interesting. But part of the probem is almost all the critical commentary seems written by people even less reliable and even more odd than he. With Carto there is undoubtedly fire behind the smoke, but there's been so much smoke generated it has filled the entire WN lebenshraum-(living space) I doubt if we'll ever find out the whole truth.

One thing I find interesting is that major paleo writers like Buchanan, Francis, and Sobran don't link to American Free Press on their sites. If it ain't quality enough to get their seal of approval, it ain't gonna have a significant impact. **

This isn't a fair criticism really, at least on this forum or libertyforum. Spotlight was always acknowledged as overtly anti-semitic that is the reason writers still clinging even to the fringe of mainstream respectability or at least recognizability don't associate openly with it.

Of course Sobran with his IHR appearance has already lost it, but Sobran isn't the most ideologically rational, clear, and consistent of people.

You may want to check out [url=http://www.manews.org]Middle American News[/url] instead for a newspaper.

Although more moderate, I doubt CoCC/Francis's paper passes the "big name links to it" test either.

Centinel

2003-07-28 18:41 | User Profile

**Although more moderate, I doubt CoCC/Francis's paper passes the "big name links to it" test either. **

Have you ever read a copy of it? Besides Francis, the paper carries syndicated columns by Buchanan, Sobran, Paul Craig Roberts, Reese, Schlafly, and (yuck) even Ann Coulter.

SARTRE

2003-07-28 20:40 | User Profile

Walter E Kurtz,

Christopher Petherick is the editor: [email=editor@americanfreepress.net]editor@americanfreepress.net[/email]

Mr Carto long departed with the collaspe of Liberty Lobby.

Knew Mr Carto back in the late 70's early 80's.

If you have questions, write my private email address.

SARTRE :ph34r:

Okiereddust

2003-07-28 20:43 | User Profile

Originally posted by Centinel@Jul 28 2003, 18:41 * > *Although more moderate, I doubt CoCC/Francis's paper passes the "big name links to it" test either. **

Have you ever read a copy of it? Besides Francis, the paper carries syndicated columns by Buchanan, Sobran, Paul Craig Roberts, Reese, Schlafly, and (yuck) even Ann Coulter.**

I subscribe to it! (No I guess that doesn't answer your question :D )

It strikes me though in general that contributing to a journal, much less just allowing republication of a previous article, (say Buchanan's from TAC) is a lower, perhaps much lower standard than linking to an article. Just one example. Justin Raimondo had an article that was printed in Pravada USA/Overthrow.Com (something to do with Bill White that David Frum talked about). He was able to easily dodge that bullet . Maintaining a permanent link is a quite a bit stronger affiliation. Does TAC or American Cause say link CoCC or Middle American News? It would surprise me if they did.

Centinel

2003-07-28 21:04 | User Profile

Raimondo appearing in Pravda notwithstanding, don't print publications have to pay cash to syndication companies to run columns? Isn't that how the money is made? And do authors have any say about which publications their syndicated columns appear in?

BTW, did you know that Pravda is a content partner with WorldNetDaily of all things? Strange world indeed.

[url=http://216.239.33.104/search?q=cache:1gW0jGJc41AJ:www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp%3FARTICLE_ID%3D28426+farah+pravda&hl=en&ie=UTF-8]WND, Pravda online agree to content sharing[/url]

Blond Knight

2003-07-28 22:07 | User Profile

The old Spotlight carried Sam Frances for several years before it's untimely demise.

They even had Joe Sobran for a short while, but if my faulty memory serves, the syndicator that ran his columns had a hissey fit and got Joe bounced from the Spotlight.

Perhaps the American Free Press can not afford to do so. (Just idle speculation)

Centinel

2003-07-28 22:41 | User Profile

**What I can't understand is what its doing on newsstands across the nation, when even the American Conservative can't achieve this. Both Borders and Barnes and Noble carry AFP, but I have to go to a run down old Bookstop if I want Buchanan's magazine. **

I've seen TAC at the local B&N, but I have never seen AFP on a newsstand.

Centinel

2003-09-04 07:12 | User Profile

wintermute:

**American Free Press is a strange magazine. The contents are a combination of high quality, well documented articles about Jewish power, plus a whole lot of Illuminati/ Freemason/ Aryan Christ nuttiness. **

Carto/Liberty Lobby may have pushed CI/British Israelism in times past, but since that cult doesn't hold up under serious religious scholarship, the AFP and its radio show, Tom Valentine, are now plugging full preterism, an obscure eschatological view that claims all Biblical prophecy was fulfilled by 70 AD. From what I've observed, the preterists are a reactionary movement against dispensationalism, and the view fits in with Carto's agenda by rendering today's national Israel irrelevant in prophecy.

Campion Moore Boru

2003-09-04 08:23 | User Profile

Its not that obscure outside of Protestantism. A very sizable portion of the Catholic Church is Preteristic.

But on the whole, Revelations isn't a very hot issue with Catholics.

Centinel

2003-09-04 08:40 | User Profile

Its not that obscure outside of Protestantism. A very sizable portion of the Catholic Church is Preteristic.

I always thought Catholics, along with Reformation-era Protestants, were amillenial.

Campion Moore Boru

2003-09-04 08:55 | User Profile

With Catholics, its usually the liberal types. Though I can't say wherther it fits squarely with the Peterist definition you offer.

Simply put, Revelations was fulfilled with the Roman Empire. I can't say its bound to a specific date.

friedrich braun

2003-09-06 07:46 | User Profile

**American Free Press is a strange magazine. The contents are a combination of high quality, well documented articles about Jewish power, plus a whole lot of [color=blue]Illuminati/ Freemason/ Aryan Christ nuttiness[/color]. The legitimate articles are the kind that you might see reposted to this forum, from various sources. **

Did you know that Hitler was a Jew and play-thing of Adam Weishaupt's Illuminti, the Zionists, The Rothschild family, Albert Pike's Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, the British Royal family, Skull & Bones, The Round Table, The Thule Society, The Vril Society, The Rockefeller family, the Vatican, the Trilateral Commission, the Ochrana, the UN, the Bilderburger Group, etc., etc., etc.? the mind reels...

Okiereddust: > -- A great history mystery unravelling.....I have all the facts out but need some connecting material --[color=blue]I recently came across an article by David Icke, which seems to be the most authoritative regarding Hitler's Rothschild blood. [/color]

The Protocols are being fulfilled and the Anti-Christ is on His way!

[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=10747]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...showtopic=10747[/url]

travis

2003-09-06 17:26 | User Profile

I have heard from a fairly good source that KKK is tied to Masons in some way. I really don't doubt it. But I'm convinced that the other end of the Masons is securely in the grip of the chozen vunz. I think if we could find a way to disconnect the latter end the Masons would be a powerful ally.

Though Hitler probably was distantly related to the Rothchilds, I doubt whether it impacted his loyalties. It's probably too late to unravel the truth. I wouldn't put too much faith in David Icke and his "shape-shifting reptilians".

friedrich braun

2003-09-06 18:56 | User Profile

Though Hitler probably was distantly related to the Rothchilds.

Of course, there is no evidence for the above.

Marcus Porcius Cato

2003-09-06 20:10 | User Profile

**Of course, there is no evidence for the above. **

Au contraire, it can very easily be 'demonstrated' merely by preceding it with the words "It is well known that...". This phrase introduces every other sentence in the ravings of some posters, with PN being their Pimp Daddy nonpareil.

But do be careful. On occasion these wily sophists will attempt to distract you by substituting, "Everybody knows that", "Leading historians agree that", "It is universally accepted that", "".

In conclusion, only racists, Nazis, bigots, and antisemites see any inconsistenies in the universally accepted facts, known by everybody and agreed to by leading historians, that Hitler was a reprehensible monotesticled Homo who fcked the wives of everyone around him and unconscionably persecuted all known fggots, a CryptoCommunist who wickedly attacked our gallant Soviet allies, and a crazed monomoniacal moron who tricked the Germans into making him leader by turning an economy that todays Zimbabweans would laugh at into the mightiest in the world in the space of SIX YEARS, who then prosecuted a genocidal war of destruction against the perpetually faultless Jews with such singleminded virulence and ineptitude that he holoco$ted 6 million of them while they, alone of all the peoples then living in Europe, enjoyed a population increase. And, oh yeah, I forgot that 6,000,000 - (4,000,000 - 1,000,000) = 6,000,000. No Naaahtsis here Boss, just us patriots. Letz role!

All those tired of these transparently illogical "Because XXX said so/What are you, a YYY or sumthin?" arguments, please raise your hands, Roman style, and shout, "NO JEWS. JUST RIGHT!"

Quote from Jean Anouilh's "Becket" (to be spoken with a generous helping of righteous indignation): "We don't THINK. We're gentlemen!"

Yep. I know I mispelled that French faggt's name. But those cowardly pricks didn't want to help us carpet bomb Iraqi children from 50 gazillion feet. We should shoot anyone who drinks French wine, can pronounce horse doovers or even eats pssy. Pass the freedom fries Jim Bob, burp.

Okiereddust

2003-09-06 20:58 | User Profile

Originally posted by friedrich braun@Sep 6 2003, 18:56 * > Though Hitler probably was distantly related to the Rothchilds.*

Of course, there is no evidence for the above.**

Oh yeah?

[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=10747&hl=]Hitler and the Rothschilds[/url]

travis

2003-09-06 21:16 | User Profile

*Originally posted by friedrich braun@Sep 6 2003, 12:56 * ** Of course, there is no evidence for the above. **

Friedrich,

You're right, there probably isn't any physical evidence that proves it. If we apply the non-physical forms of evidence; motive means, opportunity, modus operandi and modus agendi it gets more complicated but not more conclusive.

Okieredust,

Physical evidence should be verifiable phenomena. If a book, a website or a thread on a forum states something it's not anymore verifiable phenomena than my word. In any case, if there was a distant Rothschild bloodline in Hitler as described, I still doubt that there would have been any loyalties connected to it.

Okiereddust

2003-09-06 22:34 | User Profile

Originally posted by travis+Sep 6 2003, 21:16 -->
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<!--QuoteBegin-friedrich braun@Sep 7 2003, 05:03 * You call that article written by a certifiable nut a "source"? :DÃÂ :jest:*

David Icke seems to be a fairly respected and well known author actually. Even in the wildest scenario's I'm sure he cannot compare with any of of you guys in the "certifiable nut" department. **

You're a pathetic, naive, gullible fool, Okie.

Here's your huckster err I mean "respected" author in his own words.

[url=http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1a.html]http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1a.html[/url]

**...

I wrote a book in 1989 called It Doesn't Have To Be Like This, setting out the vision and agenda of the Greens because I felt they were talking to each other and not to the public as a whole. As I was writing the book, and in my work for the BBC, I began to feel a presence around me, like there was always someone in the room when there was not. It got to the point where I sat on the side of the bed in a hotel room in London in early 1990 and said to whoever or whatever: "[color=blue]If you are there will you please contact me because you are driving me up the wall."[/color]

**Soon afterwards, events began to move quickly. **

In March, 1990, I was playing soccer with my son Gareth on the seafront at Ryde on the Isle of Wight and I said to him we would go and have some lunch at the railway station cafe' a short walk away. The cafe' was full and we turned to walk away when someone recognised me and began to ask me questions about soccer. When the conversation was over, I couldn't see Gareth, but I knew he would be in the newspaper shop nearby looking at books he liked. So it was. I stood at the entrance to the shop and said we were going now to find another cafe', but as I turned to leave, my feet were stuck to the ground as if two magnets were pulling them to the floor. I don't hear voices or anything, I just follow my intuition, but in this early period of awakening [color=blue]I did hear three voices very clearly[/color]. This was the first. It said: "Go and look at the books on the far side." What the hell was this all about?, I thought.

I knew this shop very well and the books in that section were of no interest to me. But given the voice and what was happening to my feet, I went over to see what would happen. The first book I saw was one by a psychic lady and I was immediately intrigued because of this presence I had felt around me. I wondered if she would be able to tell me what was going on. She was also a hands on healer and so I wrote to her and made an appointment for healing, not telling her about the presence or anything else. To her, I just wanted to try her healing on my arthritis. I only saw her four times and in the first two visits nothing happened of note, except that **I talked with her about other dimensions and the wider vision of life. **

Then, on the third visit, I was lying on the couch while the healing was done when I felt like a spider's web on my face. [color=blue]I had remembered reading in her book that this can happen when "spirits" are trying to make contact.[/color] I said nothing to her, but within fifteen seconds, no more, she pushed her head back and said: "This is powerful, I'll have to close my eyes for this one!" She said she was seeing a figure who wanted her to pass on messages to me. [color=blue]The same happened a week later and this is what the "figure" asked her to tell me on those occasions: [/color]

He is a healer who is here to heal the earth and he will be world famous. He will face enormous opposition, but we will always be there to protect him. He is still a child spiritually, but he will be given the spiritual riches. Sometimes he will say things and wonder where they came from. They will be our words. Knowledge will be put into his mind, and at other times he will be led to knowledge.

He was chosen as youngster for his courage. He has been tested and has passed all the tests. He was led into football to learn discipline, but when that was learned it was time to move on. He also had to learn how to cope with disappointment, experience all the emotions, and how to get up and get on with it. The spiritual way is tough and no-one makes it easy.

We know he wanted us to contact him, but the time wasn't right. He was led here to be contacted, not to be cured. But one day he will be completely cured. He will always have what he needs, but no more.

Don't try to do it all alone. Go hand in hand with others, so you can pick each other up as you fall.

One man cannot change the world, but one man can communicate the message that will change the world.

He will write five books in three years.

Politics is not for him. He is too spiritual. Politics is anti-spiritual and will make him very unhappy.

He will leave politics. He doesn't have to do anything. It will happen gradually over a year. (Exactly as happened)

[I]In 20 years there will be a different kind of flying machine, very different from the aircraft of today. Time will have no meaning. Where you want to be, you will be.[/B]

There will be great earthquakes. These will come as a warning to the human race. They will occur in places that have never experienced them. Taking oil from the seabed is destabilising the inner earth. The centre of the earth will move and the poles will change. The sea spirits will rise and stop men taking oil. The sea will reclaim the land and humans will see that they cannot do these terrible things. They cannot abuse the elements. They have to be treated with respect.

All this was told to me on March 29th 1990 and on the second visit about a week later. At the time, I was a BBC television presenter and national spokesman for the Green Party and had no idea what this was all about. Yet ten years later, most of it has happened or is happening. Even down to the five books in three years, which I wrote to the month. I told some of the Green Party leadership about these experiences, but their reaction was just as closed-minded, ignorant, and uninformed as you would find in the system the Greens were claiming to challenge. "I think David is going crazy." Yea, right. Welcome to the new politics!

I wrote of these early months of awakening in a book called Truth Vibrations (Gateway Books) and then came the most astonishing event of all in an endless stream of fantastic experiences I was having and continue to have. I felt this enormous urge to go to Peru in late 1990, early 1991, and I headed there in February 1991 purely on the strength of this intuition. A series of stunning things happened to me there and it culminated with the following experience.

My Peruvian guide had booked us into a hotel called the Sillustani in Puno, not far from Lake Titicaca, the highest navigable lake in the world. Sillustani is an ancient Inca site about an hour's drive from Puno and there were pictures of this around the hotel for obvious reasons. I said that I wanted to go there and I had to hire a tourist mini-bus for myself because it was out of season and there were no scheduled trips. There was just me, the guide, and the driver. Sillustani is a mound next to lagoon with the Inca ruins on the top. It is in an uninhabited area and it was very quiet when I was there, just a couple of children with a lama waiting to sell photographs to tourists, not that there were any.

After I had walked around the ruins for an hour or so in the piercing Peruvian Sun, I went back to the tourist bus to go back to Puno. I thought the trip was over, but it had hardly begun. About three minutes drive down the road I was looking out of the window and I saw a mound to my right. [color=blue]As I looked at the mound, a voice in my head began to say: "Come to me, come to me, come to me." Very strange to say the least, but I asked the driver to stop because I wanted to go and look at the mound.[/color]

Although I could not see it from the road, I found there was a circle of standing stones at the top of the mound and they had clearly been there a very long time. I stood in the centre looking back across to Sillustani with the mountains way off in the distance. There was not a cloud in the sky and the Sun was extremely hot, burning my face. **Suddenly, I felt my feet pulled to the ground again like a magnet, the same as in the newspaper shop, but this time far more powerful. My arms then shot up above my head, with no decision by me for them to do so. Put your arms above your head, slightly outwards at about 45 degrees and see how they start to ache within a minute. My arms were like that for well over an hour and I felt nothing until it was over and then they were agony. **

A flow of powerful energy began to go into the top of my head like a drill and I could feel the flow going the other way up from the ground through my feet. It was then I heard the third voice in my head, something that has never happened since. [color=blue]It said very clearly: "It will be over when you feel the rain."[/color]

What? What rain? There was not a cloud to be seen anywhere, just a glowing Sun in a clear blue sky!!

I stood there as the energy increased and increased to the point where my body was shaking as if plugged into a power station. After a while, I saw a light grey mist over the distant mountains and as I watched it got darker and darker. It had begun to rain far away. Very quickly this storm emerged from those mountains, filling the sky with clouds, and covering the Sun. Eventually it was over me and I was seeing faces in the billowing clouds.The storm was moving so fast, it was almost like time-lapse photography. Then it began to rain and as I felt the water on my face, the surge of energy suddenly stopped as if someone had flicked a switch. I staggered forward, my legs like jelly, my shoulder and arm muscles now very painful.

**Energy was pouring from my hands with fantastic power and I went down to the bus to grab a crystal in an effort to diffuse some of it. My feet continued to burn and vibrate for some 24 hours. I could hardly sleep that night because of it. **

My life was to change dramatically, in fact as dramatically as you could imagine, in the weeks that followed. I felt like a dam had burst within me and my consciousness was thrashing around trying to rebalance itself under the new circumstances. That took some two months to happen and in that time of enormous confusion, [color=blue]Truth Vibrations was launched and I went on national TV in the UK to be ridiculed beyond belief.[/color] [color=blue]For two years and more I could not walk down any street in Britain without being laughed at by most of the people. Comedians only had to mention my name and they got an immediate laugh. [/color]

But nightmare as this was, it set me free of the prison that most people live in - the fear of what other people think. Only by breaking free from that could I now be going around the world talking about shape-shifting reptilians occupying the positions of global power. If you need people to respect you as your sense of security, there is no way you would do that - one key reason why it has so rarely been communicated before. That ridicule was a major part of my journey and it set me free of so much.

From that time, I have followed the flow of life. Exactly what I was told would happen through the psychic lady in 1991, I have been led to knowledge, more and more all the time, which has revealed a picture of how the world has been controlled by a tiny few for thousands of years. And how the suppression of the spiritual knowledge, the understanding of who we are and the nature of life itself, has been the foundation of how this has been done. **I have also learned of the Great Awakening, the Great Transformation, that is upon us. **

The trickle of information became a river and now it is a tidal wave. Yet, we have hardly begun and the rest of the story promises to be even more amazing than even what has already happened in these last ten incredible years.

Love, David Icke**

A delusional fruitcake or a snake-oil salesman? Again, is this your "respected" source?

If you take this guy seriously, you're not far from Ares and his ET transhumanism.

:clown: :clown: :clown:

Centinel

2003-09-07 07:44 | User Profile

travis:

I have heard from a fairly good source that KKK is tied to Masons in some way. I really don't doubt it. But I'm convinced that the other end of the Masons is securely in the grip of the chozen vunz. I think if we could find a way to disconnect the latter end the Masons would be a powerful ally.

You may find these links interesting, travis. I can't speak for its veracity, but the Freemasonry Watch site claims to be a compendium of Masonic information.

[url=http://freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/kkk.html]The Ku Klux Klan's Masonic Origins[/url]

[url=http://freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/albertpikeandkkk.html]Proof that Freemasonry is lying about Albert Pike and the Ku Klux Klan[/url]

[url=http://freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/racism.html]Freemasonry's History of Racism[/url]

[url=http://freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/bnaibrith.html]Freemasonry, The Grand Lodge of B'nai B'rith, Religious Secrets, and the strange history of Mt. Zion[/url]

travis

2003-09-07 13:57 | User Profile

Centennial,

Thanks for the links, I had viewed portions of the site before, and studied it some more this morning. I'm undecided about the legitimacy of it. It stands to reason that any secret society in the age of the internet would put up a site critical of itself, conveying much information that could be obtained elsewhere. Trust and deception is made by telling the public 9 truths and one lie. If I were trying to expose anything via a website, I would format it a very printer-friendly fashion, which they haven't done.

If I accept everything which I've read so far on this site as fact, I'll certainly concede that it fits together quite well. Far better than Icke's "shape-shifting reptilians", hehe.

Worldwide Freemasonry is potentially an excellent tool to implement world government and Jewish supremacy.

Many great men, past and present, no doubt have been duped into this "brotherhood". I encourage fellow OD's to seek them out and educate them rather than damn them for their greed.