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Thread ID: 8516 | Posts: 15 | Started: 2003-07-27
2003-07-27 20:03 | User Profile
Does your belief or disbelief in God also tell you something about your political philosophy? Does your political philosophy ever change with age? I once read that in our 20ââ¬â¢s, our belief in a God begins to waiver. In our 30ââ¬â¢s, it basically diminishes and then as we approach our midlife in our 40ââ¬â¢s and 50ââ¬â¢s, our belief system in a God becomes to the forefront of our outlook on life because we are beginning to see our mortality. During those times of self-discovery, we are usually single and discovering who we are and what we are in terms of being human and what it means to be human. In that, we then formulate our ethics in what & who we are and in turn to look to political parties or other groups to help us figure out where we and others fall in society.
In this forum, I have seen some very intellectual discussion going on and some hints of belief systems in what and who you see yourselves as. Then it becomes obvious to what political philosophy one takes. However, sometimes itââ¬â¢s hard to see it. In evaluating your life as it is now and in the past, looking at what you define as what life is and what it is to be human, have you found that your political philosophy been as it always had or has it changed over the years? Or, is it always or never changing?
I am still trying to figure it all out and how I really stand on certain issues, because a lot of the time I contradict myself.
Lady
2003-07-28 02:20 | User Profile
Oh. This is going to be fun :D
Yes, I've changed a lot.
At eight I rejected Christianity (it just sounded stupid to me), but I remained a conservative Australian until I was thirteen. About that time I took an interest in Islam, because I was tired of social chaos, and in the realm of politics I started reading into Anarcho-Syndicalism.
When I was fourteen and a half I rejected Islam after reading into European history (someone said on a forum "Muslims might be nice people but that's thier way of live and having white women wrapped up like eskimos is stupid"). That really got me thinking.
So I started reading into white history, and learned how the Turks torched Byzantium and the Muslims drove into Europe, and I turned towards white nationalism. After reading Mein Kampf I became NS with heavy socialist leanings (that's the syndicalism coming through), and I became a Buddhist for a while and then a Gnostic (that's the Christian heresy by the way). Then I started reading Nietzsche.
All the time I loved reading on politics, philosophy and religion, and at The Phora (if any of you have heard of Fade the Butcher, he's a great guy that ran an open free-speech forum for everyone - socialists, fascists, nationalists, liberals, conservatives - everyone) I learned about a relatively new ideology called National Bolshevism. That incorporated strong pan-white, authoritarian, socialist and nationalist ideals, and I felt most at home with that. During this time I buried myself in Marxist-Leninist literature and learned as much as I could about Marxism and its descendent ideologies. That has been really useful to me since then. Someone started pushing Objectivist capitalism at The Phora - and did a really good job at it too.
So I became an Objectivist with pro-white leanings for a while, and then that became sterile, so I rejected Objectivism and its claims to logic and I've been rebuilding my own political philosophy, which could best be described as traditionalist futurism, Pan-white Westernism, syndicalism, guild socialism, aristocracy, racialism and the Faustian drive to infinity. I'm still at it.
Anyone else changed as much as I have?
2003-07-28 06:27 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Anarch@Jul 27 2003, 20:20 * ** Oh. This is going to be fun :D
Yes, I've changed a lot.
At eight I rejected Christianity (it just sounded stupid to me), but I remained a conservative Australian until I was thirteen. About that time I took an interest in Islam, because I was tired of social chaos, and in the realm of politics I started reading into Anarcho-Syndicalism.
When I was fourteen and a half I rejected Islam after reading into European history (someone said on a forum "Muslims might be nice people but that's thier way of live and having white women wrapped up like eskimos is stupid"). That really got me thinking.
So I started reading into white history, and learned how the Turks torched Byzantium and the Muslims drove into Europe, and I turned towards white nationalism. After reading Mein Kampf I became NS with heavy socialist leanings (that's the syndicalism coming through), and I became a Buddhist for a while and then a Gnostic (that's the Christian heresy by the way). Then I started reading Nietzsche.
All the time I loved reading on politics, philosophy and religion, and at The Phora (if any of you have heard of Fade the Butcher, he's a great guy that ran an open free-speech forum for everyone - socialists, fascists, nationalists, liberals, conservatives - everyone) I learned about a relatively new ideology called National Bolshevism. That incorporated strong pan-white, authoritarian, socialist and nationalist ideals, and I felt most at home with that. During this time I buried myself in Marxist-Leninist literature and learned as much as I could about Marxism and its descendent ideologies. That has been really useful to me since then. Someone started pushing Objectivist capitalism at The Phora - and did a really good job at it too.
So I became an Objectivist with pro-white leanings for a while, and then that became sterile, so I rejected Objectivism and its claims to logic and I've been rebuilding my own political philosophy, which could best be described as traditionalist futurism, Pan-white Westernism, syndicalism, guild socialism, aristocracy, racialism and the Faustian drive to infinity. I'm still at it.
Anyone else changed as much as I have? **
Anarch,
Woh! That's pretty heavy. I'm been changing almost as much as you. But, I just tuned into this forum and it's after 12am, so I'll be back tomorrow to comment on yours. You may be able to help me understand a lot of what you've read and studied that I have had an interest in.
Lady
2003-07-30 09:14 | User Profile
Sure thing :)
2003-08-03 12:05 | User Profile
I was born into a pagan-in-name agnosticism on one side, my mother having simple interest in folklore and calling herself 'pagan' but by no means a "new-ager", or wiccan of any kind. my father always changed his beliefs around progressively, from environmentalism, and light eastern "mind opening" philosophy but settled into a far-right, pro-gun rights, constituation etc. fairly open in terms of religion but more & more "christianized" simply to fit the mold of the general "right-wing" stereotype as it stands.
I didn't follow in this 'agnosticism' from my earliest memories of my own thoughts, though I enjoyed the folklore of paganism, I believed in some "god" unlike my mother, though I had no conception of a person of "jesus" or even a "judo-monotheism" type deity. I then became more conscious of the fact that even if there was some "god" type intelligence existing, there would be no point in my believing in it for it to be necessary; it became only an aesthetic choice in my mind. I didn't believe you needed to be so selfish to want to have 'the inertia of the entire universe' on your side to live life properly. infact, life is defined by dualities, and opposites, and people holding to different causes. everything is manifest because there is something else to measure it by. the more there is, the more that exists. a broad based; one-way, singular god, with a single way of thinking, in a universe which exists because of the opposition between differences and different ways of thinking. was simply too re-pulsive (as in repellant, or pushing-away, not "disgusting") to the nature of the universe as it is. even if there was some "singular" god, it certainly set up the universe to have things exist by their own logic, and not by some connection to it as a god. so a "great singular force" residing above all, has as it's will for me not to believe in it, or in any "absolute" because the universe pushes everything away from any single absolutes. even all the religions that claim there to be 'one god' fight as to it's content. this "one god" must really desire muddling the ways in which individuals partake it. it therefore only exists for humans to have their own unique aesthetics in regards to themselves, to justify the greater scheme of things, rather for there to be literally any single way of being on a pervasive level. everything runs the opposite direction from what is simple, and toward what is complex.
this has mostly effected my political belief in forms of non-inclusive statist kinds of nationalism & pride between differences, and the changing/growing/dying-away to create even greater levels and more complex types of reality on into the future for all time. like Nietzsche put it; things will get more complex, and more strife-filled infinitely, on into eternity, but also; things will become larger, things will come into being beyond what we know now as 'lifeforms' just as before lifeforms there were only particles, before which there was only fluctuations in space. etc etc. so none of my political beliefs are broad based or singular, in those terms I am a Libertarian, but I do not use it to reject Socialism of any kind, I use it to accept statism of every kind, they are all the ebb & flow of history, ideas will merge and become greater (almost like a dialectical materialism of Communism), but no politic exists as a vehicle to utopia, since there is no static point at which history stops (much like the will-to-power of Fascism) I believe there should be autonomous goverance of individuals, but as subcontracted to a central state, I am a privatist, but believe groups shouldn't be disallowed to form any type of internally taxed system of commune or mutualism, which would be controlled as subcontracted to the state. the state should allow different active political vehicles to function as different laws depending on how individuals choose those laws to work for themselves, but being registered through a state process that can make it happen and enforce it within the sphere of their own selections. any group of ideas on how a state should run, function, and what it should intercede would then exist side-by-side with all different governance that any individual's ideology could come up with, all under the same structure of government. this would allow the world to move forward into transnationalism and beyond arbitrary land-border assignations, without having a 'single' worldview of internationalism or multiculturalism take over how 'rules should be made for everyone'.
so, my political philosophies, religion, and own cosmology/science are all connected as a cohesive whole structure. it is only changing because I reveal to myself new structure as I come into contact with other ideas. but I've never 'back-peddled' in my beliefs, one seems to grow directly upon the previous.
2003-08-04 01:32 | User Profile
Sorry to not reply to this thread. I am in the process of changing over to high speed. So, when that is done, I hope to contribute to this thread because I started it. I'm hoping sometime in the middle of the week as splitters need to be found and changed out. Thanks to all who have contributed so far.
Lady
2003-08-04 01:50 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Lady_America@Aug 3 2003, 18:32 * ** Sorry to not reply to this thread. I am in the process of changing over to high speed. So, when that is done, I hope to contribute to this thread because I started it. I'm hoping sometime in the middle of the week as splitters need to be found and changed out. Thanks to all who have contributed so far.
Lady **
Haven't you had DSL so far? Well, shared with renny, but still...
2003-08-05 09:47 | User Profile
I am a Southern Nationalist pure and simple. You could also call me an anti-Semite and anti-American I suppose as well. I don't really have an ideology - just opinions. I have been intrigued by White Nationalism, Fascism, Objectivism, Paleo-Conservatism, National Socialism and the like and elements of all of them can be found in my thought but that is what I choose to identify myself as. Pat Buchanan and Frederick List have strongly influenced my views regarding economics. Francis Parker Yockey and actually John C. Calhoun both have strongly influenced my political views. I have stayed a Southern Nationalist (I would like to see an Independent WHITE South) pretty consisently over the years although I have wavered in my ideas regarding how this should be brought about and how an independent Southern Republic should look.
2003-08-05 12:37 | User Profile
I considered myself a Nationalist since a young age, though I did not consider Race as part of the equation due to my surroundings perhaps and out of Anti-Race media and religious indoctrination as a kid. At around 17 I recognised that many people amongst my National Society were different from me because they were predominantly non-Europid (non-White), and since I was always proud of my racial heritage I started developing towards a more Race-Oriented direction, that is when I first gave a look into National Socialism, probably due to its racial dimension as envisioned by Hitlerian National Socialists. I always held a Pan-European approach, an Imperium Europa made of autonomous or semi-autonomous regions is what I believe in for Mother Europe.
Economically I consider myself as Anti-Capitalist due to the erosion of values which came into development out of the Capitalistic advancement in the Western World and due to its exploitation of the labour force of Europe and the whole world. I believe in a more Socialistic Racialist Europe, possibly combining State Enterprise for major industries and Syndicalised Organisations, while retaining Private Enterprise for small to medium Organisations. I believe in "from each according to his ability to each according to his work".
I am currently interested in National Bolshevism though I find it as inappropriate unless Europe is in a state of emergency and requires Central Co-ordination or during a Nationalist/Racialist takeover, that is, National Bolshevism could serve as a buffer period towards a less Centrally-Planned and less Economically Authoritarian model.
I currently consider myself a Pan-European Racialist Socialist.
2003-08-07 02:18 | User Profile
Originally posted by madrussian+Aug 3 2003, 19:50 -->
QUOTE* (madrussian @ Aug 3 2003, 19:50 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Lady_America@Aug 3 2003, 18:32 * ** Sorry to not reply to this thread. I am in the process of changing over to high speed. So, when that is done, I hope to contribute to this thread because I started it. I'm hoping sometime in the middle of the week as splitters need to be found and changed out. Thanks to all who have contributed so far. Lady **
Haven't you had DSL so far? Well, shared with renny, but still... **
Madrussian,
I'm changing from DSL to Cox high speed. Now I'm having problems with getting my apartment complex to change out my splitter from 900 mhz to 1 ghz. Who's Rennick :rock:
Lady
Franco
2003-08-07 02:40 | User Profile
Yeah, MR, I wonder what happened to our old pal Rennick?
As fer me, I was born in a cave somewhere in AZ. I hate Jews, Blacks, Mexicans, and other inferior bipeds. Love vodka, guns, naked ladies and loud rock music. Oh, yeah, and I hate Christians unless they bash Jews with sufficient gusto.
:)
Hilaire Belloc
2003-08-07 17:49 | User Profile
I'm primarily a Russian Slavophile nationalist. I adhere to the theories of the original Russian Slavophiles along with many elements of the theories of Russian Solidarism and Ukrainian Integral Nationalism. I also admire the political theories of Fydor Dostoevsky, Nikolai Berdyaev, and Aleksander Solzhenitsyn. I also admire the political theories of other great men like Plato, Aristole, Machiavelli, St. Thomas Aquinas, and even [url=http://education.yahoo.com/search/be?lb=t&p=url%3Al/lycurgus__sparta_]Lycurgus /url just to name a few.
[img]http://www.dur.ac.uk/~dml0www/ptuch.gif[/img]
jamestown
2003-08-07 20:54 | User Profile
I would consider myself a Nationalliberal (might translate into Nationallibertarian, Paleolibertarian, Constitutional Nationalist). To make it clear study the 1848 revolutions in central Europe. This ideology has largely been died out in the political landscape of my country although the FDP had a remnant of that tradition. The student fraternities (Burschenschaften) still cling to that revolutionary heritage.
Hilaire Belloc
2003-08-07 21:57 | User Profile
I would consider myself a Nationalliberal (might translate into Nationallibertarian, Paleolibertarian, Constitutional Nationalist). To make it clear study the 1848 revolutions in central Europe. This ideology has largely been died out in the political landscape of my country although the FDP had a remnant of that tradition. The student fraternities (Burschenschaften) still cling to that revolutionary heritage.
So you follow the theories of Giuseppe Mazzini and/or Young Europe? I also believe in his early days, Richard Wagner was a National Liberal, since he was a member of Young Germany, which of course was the German branch of Young Europe.
Yes indeed read up about the 1848 Revolutions and what better place to start than the [url=http://www.ohiou.edu/~Chastain/]Encyclopedia of the 1848 Revolutions[/url].
Robbie
2003-08-09 05:55 | User Profile
My first taste of politics/ideology was in my junior year of high school when I became interested in environmental issues. I suscribed to [u]Sierra[/u] magazine not too long after that. My main reason for liking environmentalism was the nature aspect mostly; I kept abreast of the issues (had a Greenpeace decal on one of my notebooks) and wrote some environmentally-oriented prose in Creative Writing class.
After I graduated from high school (June 1993), I began to listen to talk radio. Rush Limbaugh was my favorite. I had read about him in my senior year of high school and knew who he was, but I didn't have an opinion on him. Aside from Limbaugh, I began to listen to Bob Grant. I am a New Jerseyan, and they were on WABC 77. By late 1993, I became a conservative. I began to read [u]National Review[/u] and watch the political shows on CNBC. Always one to write, I began to write conservative-minded articles for my own amusement. Richard Nixon's death in the spring of 1994 inspired me somewhat to continue writing and following conservatism.
By my junior year in college, having reached voting age (and voting Republican), I began to realize the effects that Marxism/political correctness had in my college classes. A few times I had openly criticized such-and-such; I was the only one in the class who did such a thing. In 1996, I went online for the first time. I discovered White Nationalist websites for the first time around the fall of 1996. I never looked back.
My college graduation was a leftist love-fest straight out of the "village"; my stomach was turning at the realities bestown upon me and everyone else: a rabbi "blessing" the graduating class, a Puerto Rican student telling us about the wonders of being "multicultural", one of the college heads telling us how much he loved and welcomed immigrants (guess which kind) and another head telling us his opinion on Tiger Woods. My senior research paper was about Ancient Greece (one of my favorite historical periods). My advisor suggested I include the role of wimmin in it. I chose not to acknowledge his advice and because of my commitment to exclusion, I received a C grade for it (I thought I deserved better). When the college asked the students in a questionnaire about what they had felt about the college they were to graduate from, I wrote of my disgust over the p.c. garbage that was thrown at me.
Around this time, I began to discover traditional Catholicism (I had already stopped attending the Novus Ordo) via the web, while continuing to follow WN, and posting on one of the few message boards that came and went over the years up to now.
I don't even remember when I stopped following Republican/conservative politics. I had gotten so sick of having to hear Zionist apologetics on talk radio that I gave it up for good in late 2001-early 2002. The SF forum was the first board where I ever felt "at home". I joined OD right after it opened shop and have been here ever since.
I am a non-conformist who is one to question and ponder about things that need such actions. I do not apply societal-approved labels to myself, but by no means does that mean I sit on a fence. My defiance at the hot dog shop by telling the cashier I wanted french fries (and not "freedom fries", as it was listed in their menu) and refusing to fly an American flag on my car antenna or have one pasted on my car in general since the Era of Bandwagon Patriotism began remind me that as an American I have the right to do such things.