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Thread ID: 8367 | Posts: 23 | Started: 2003-07-23

Conservative [OP]

2003-07-23 08:50 | User Profile

I was going over the posts at VNN, Stormfront, etc., they are self-destructing over rumors, lack of control of emotion, lack of intellectual leaders to guide them. Claims that Bill White is a "Jewish Infiltrator," claims that Alex Linder and Kevin Strom are frauds, the willingness of WNs to believe anything, etc. The whole situation is a farce. This just means that more competent leaders are required.

From [url=http://www.euroknowledge.net/]http://www.euroknowledge.net/[/url]

From: "flandersfl" EKEditor@z...

A day at the Aryan Nations World Congress 2002 - Ulysses PA

From the description I recieved of this event, it had much promise. It was a weekend long festivity, with many speakers and bands. There were to be games of competition, vendors selling wares, and booths to buy food. As I set out early saturday morning I was eager to get there soon enough so I would not miss any of the festivities. After about a 2 hour drive, I finally reach the road. There stood two police cars on the oppoisite road, waiting as though they expected trouble. As I pulled down the road, there was a gentleman with a truck, who had a nazi battle flag hanging from the window of the truck. He waived me down and gave me instruction on how to reach the driveway. Also, there were two more cops in front of him, here these police officers wrote down license plate numbers of everyone who attended the event (the joke is on them, fortunatly for me, I almost never have anything registered in my name!) Finally I pull up to the driveway where there is uniformed member of the Aryan Nations to collect my $35 dollars for the event. He gave me parking instructions and I was on my way. As I reached the event itself I was immediatly dissapointed. From what was described as a "festival of events" turned out to be a handful of people and a few tents. There were exactly 4 vendors there, Panzerfaust records (from which I purchased a celtic warrior CD), another record company selling CD's, an Aryan Nations table selling video tapes of past speakers and events, and finally a man selling a very nice assortment of things (flags, patches, books, dolls etc etc) It took me all of about 15 minuets to view all of these things. I looked around and saw that there was nothing else to see or do at that moment. There was a stage set up blaring some white power punk music that no one seemed to interested in. At this point I decided to look for the food booths. I was instructed to walk into this wooded area and follow a dirt path up a hill to get the food. As I reached the top of the hill, there stood a trailer home. The window was open and there was a lady inside grilling up hot dogs and cheeseburgers to sell. There was a sickly looking dog tied to a tree who didnt look like it even had the strengh to bark. There was another dog running around who looked just as uncleaned as the one tied up. Once again I shook my head in disapointment as I had realized this was the "food vendors". Although to my surpise the food was actually good. Ok, enough with the pleasantries, lets get to the point. The rest of the time as I waited for something to happen I observed the local color. About 85% of the people there were skinheads (pardon the term). Most of them were drinking heavily, as they were sold a bottomless mug of beer. There was one skinhead there who had a tattoo of the word "Loki" on his head, which perplexed me. Many of these skinheads had hammers around there necks. Everyone was very friendly and was eager to greet and make small talk with a fellow "brother". For the most part everyone seemed well mannered at this point. There was one extremely drunk man, shirtless and making a complete fool of himself. After waiting around for what seemed an eternity, the games had begun. First there was the hammer throw. In which a contender could see how far they could toss this heavey hatchet (which i didnt understand why it was called a hammer throw). This was entertaining for about 5 mins. The second game was the "Back to Africa stone" in which a person would lift this very heavey stone and see how many laps they could do on a path provided for them. This was entertaning for zero mins. At this point let me point out there some more people had showed up, and now perhaps we were hitting the 50 people mark for this extravaganza. Finally the speakers began. First it was Hal Turner. For the most part I was impressed by his speech. He spoke well, and talked about some real issues. For most his speech he made some valid points and in general had a decent presentation. But at the end of his speech he rambled off his solution for the problem. This solution seems to be the same one in which members of this list favor. He gave some statitics about amount of people, and made a point to say that how hard would it be to kill half of the United States Congress. He continued to speak about precision strikes and made the suggestion that if this were to happen it would be a win win situation. He said that either the people in the government who are destroying the white race would realize we were serious, and out of "fear" or awakening, would start making changes in our favor. Or he said the government would enact martial law, and the masses would rise up and topple the regime. Personaly, I think that is bullshit and extremely wishful thinking. Nonetheless I was satisfied with his speech and was starting to feel as though my time was now being well spent. The next speaker was some guy who hated jews. In fact he kept saying it over and over and over. Probably at least a hundred times. He didnt just say it, he screamed it into the microphone so loud that it hurt my ears. "I HATE THE JEW! I HATE THE JEW!" over and over again. He was a reverend of some kind and kept making references to yaweh, and tried to present his speech in a Hitler-Gospel combination. This seemed to rouse the crowd, and that is when the "ignorance" began. Shouts of "white power", "Heil Hiter", "seik heil" started ringing out at random, like black churchgoers scream out "praise god" in the middle of a mass. The once well mannered crowd now appeared to be well in tranced and furiously excited by this man cheerleading them in chants of "KILL ALL THE JEWS!" and "WHITE POWER". From and intellectual standpoint this gentleman offered nothing. He was simply a rebel rouser, shouting hate speech. The only interesting part about his speech was he made some remark about the government listening in right now with microphones and watching us from afar. At that point a small plane flew overhead, flying very slowly right over us, as though the people inside were taking pictures. The next speaker was some leader of some southern chapter of the KKK. He was much like the last speaker, except without the shouting. He picked up the cheerleading of "white Power" where the reverend left off. I simply could not stand for it any longer and walked back up to the food trailer to purchase a drink. From this point, I wanted to leave, and in fact regretted coming. The people there now seemed to be on the edge of there seat, and from drinking all day, many were pretty drunk. I waited through almost a hour and a half sound check for the first band to go on stage. Finally the first band went on stage and they were also entertaining all for about three mins, as they did a cover of "We come from the land down under". Now the next thing that happened is the very core of my problem with this. Hal Turner had set up a booth, and was trying to sell Hal Turner show t-shirts and mugs. I wanted to speak to him because he seemed like the only "reasonable" speaker that was there. So I began the conversation asking him about other talk radio hosts who he may listen to and/or thinks is half way decent. He told me about how he was friends with Sean Hannity from Hannity And Combes, and mentioned that Mr Hanity even allowed Hal to bring his family down to Fox Studios to watch a taping of the show. But he also said that once he was finally open to Mr Hanity about his view on Jews and other things in that realm, Mr Hanity completly cut him off and no longer speaks to him. I moved the topic to discuss with him global affairs and issues happening in other countries. At this point a uniformed member of the Aryan Nations interrupted the conversation and got right into my face. The alchohol was rampant on his breath and he made some notion that he thought I was trying to somehow "defraud" Hal Turner as to expose him as some liar. Each time my conversation

ith Hal would begin again, this drunkard would once again get in my face and repeatedly tell me that Hal Turner is a good guy. As the conversation ensued, I started noticing that Hal Turner also seemed to have been cheerleaded into the same rebel rousing as the others. This previously well spoken man was now uttering things like "negro this, Latino that, Jew this" and so on and so on. The conversation was sidetracked a few times so he can make some comment about f*cking some girl over to the side. Once again, as I was trying to speak of the NS momevent in France, the Aryan Nations Drunkard shoved himself into me, and pointed to some pin on his collar, rambling on about if I knew what rank the pin was. I told him I did not and he uttered something back at me and told me since he is that rank, he has the ability to say that Hal Turner is a good guy. Then finally in mid sentance while talking to hal tuner he just turned and walked away, came back and told me to come see something. I followed him and there were some skinheads, one was wearing a mask that was made him look like a black guy, and he was "chained" to the back of a truck by the neck. They all laughed and applauded and thought this joke was just the funniest damn thing they ever saw. I put my head down, and left. As I pulled away in my car, a sense of hopelesness came over me, and I felt like weeping. How could we as a people ever rise from the guk we are in and achieve greatness again, when these were the leading people of the movment. These skinheads with tattoos of swatikas all over their body, cheering to screams of "I HATE JEWS" and replying back with "WHITE POWER" are the majority. There goals seem to be drink beer, get laid, listen to music and save the white race. Can you tell me what is wrong with those priorities? If they could only see, that if Hitler were alive today, they would be the first ones in the gas chamber. They are a mockery of European culture and ethics. They are foot soldiers without a war, or purpose. Of course they perhaps have good intentions, but the do not realize that what they are doing will never accomplish anything. I realized that in order for there to ever truly be a coming together of white folk, of european folk, it has to be orchestrated by someone who people can take pride in. It needs to be done in a respectable fashion, a gentleman with a cause, and the determination to achieve his goals. Like all surpressed people in all of history, white people today are afraid to follow anyone thus far, becuase no one has inspired them, instilled confidence that what is right, is right, and not to be ashamed of it. Pulpit preachers spewing hate speech will not do this. Radio show hosts who talk of assisnations of half of the United States congress will not do this. Clansleaders who chant White Power will not do this. What white people need is a champion, or better yet an organization of champions. Men who all classes of people can respect. Men who are well spoken, sincere, communal, proffesional, intelligent, charismatic, and truly inspired. A nation will rise when a leader appears, or in our case, when leaders appear. Now I have thought about this for sometime, and in my next email I will unviel an idea which I think, would work well in all white nations. It is not perfect, and merely a sketch, open to many revisions. But perhaps it is a glimpse for a better tomorrow.

Walter E Kurtz

2003-07-23 16:05 | User Profile

The people that were described in the above anecdote are "useless idiots".

You needn't worry, Ares...as the quality of life deteriorates for native-born American whites, a new, Indo-European racial consciousness will be cultivated. The KKKlowns and boneheads are as irrelevant as they ever were...and will continue to wallow in obscurity even after a REAL movement for white self determination develops.

triskelion

2003-07-24 03:49 | User Profile

I remember quite well RJS's post cited above about the marginal and crankish Aryan Nations and agree that such antics are entirely at odds with real racialism. The American scene is basically a basket case and VNN forums a waste. While I have never posted at Storm Front and have some serious problems with that forum I will say that some very high quality people are active there and some posts excellent. Of course, some one that favours jew/asian/european miscogenation and thinks that such an outcome is white would certainly not find anything worth while at Stormfront.

The way out from the sad farce that defines so much of American racialism is found in reading genuine Eurocentric material in great quantaties and getting serious about real world activism. No leader on a white horse will apear and those that don't take responsiblity for the preseravation of their own folk don't deserve to be led and won't recognize a real leader anyway.

Eendracht Maakt Mag

2003-07-26 03:09 | User Profile

*Originally posted by Walter E Kurtz@Jul 23 2003, 10:05 * ** You needn't worry, Ares...as the quality of life deteriorates for native-born American whites, a new, Indo-European racial consciousness will be cultivated.ÃÂ **

Walter - Ares is not interested in "Indo-European racial consciousness." What he is interested in is creating a [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=12&t=9539&hl=better&view=findpost&p=52115]hybrid Europid-Mongoloid race to displace Whites[/url], at least in America. I am still baffled at why he insists, and very vocally at that, on using the label "White Nationalist" in reference to himself.

golfball

2003-07-26 04:14 | User Profile

Just as all troublemakers do, those that want to distance whites from the KKK and other White Nationalist groups are likened as wolves driving the sheep from the sheperds.

It becomes obvious very quickly :rolleyes:

Walter E Kurtz

2003-07-26 21:44 | User Profile

*Originally posted by golfball@Jul 25 2003, 22:14 * ** Just as all troublemakers do, those that want to distance whites from the KKK and other White Nationalist groups are likened as wolves driving the sheep from the sheperds.

It becomes obvious very quickly :rolleyes: **

Explain to me what positive changes that the KKK has effected in the American political landscape in the past 30 years.

The KKK is dead...and attempting to keep the regalia and aesthetics of this dead organization alive is counterproductive and antithetical to true racialism.

Walter E Kurtz

2003-07-26 21:45 | User Profile

Originally posted by Prodigal Son+Jul 25 2003, 21:09 -->
QUOTE* (Prodigal Son @ Jul 25 2003, 21:09 )

QUOTE* (Ares @ Jul 26 2003, 20:14 )

QUOTE* (golfball @ Jul 28 2003, 11:24 )
<!--QuoteBegin-Walter E Kurtz@Jul 26 2003, 16:44 * ** Explain to me what positive changes that the KKK has effected in the American political landscape in the past 30 years.

..... **

We are still here

We still run candidates for office

We are still involved in community affairs. etc....etc. Now, what have you done for Whites lately? :huh: **

Still "being here" does not constitute positive action. I would also argue that the "IKA" or the "KKKK" or any of these other factions have about as much in common with the original Ku Klux Klan as a pack of civil war re-enactors have in common with Robert E Lee's Army.

What candidates are these? You guys are a sideshow...and no viable political candidate would accept your sponsorship.

I got educated, found a good job, and I spend my time trying to cultivate an Indo-European racial consciousness amongst my kindred. Putting on an antiquated robe and ostracizing myself is not really one of my goals.

Rumblestrip

2003-07-29 00:31 | User Profile

*Originally posted by Ares@Jul 26 2003, 20:19 * ** I am pleased with the number of smart people registering lately, they are seeing that OD for the most part is not affiliating itself with National Socialism, the KKK, or Skinheadism. There are still some members though who are open regarding their membership in National Socialism, the KKK, and Skinheadism, and OD would be even more successful if such things were not allowed at this forum. **

Interesting that you still seem to think all National Socialists, Klansmen and Skinheads are the type that Jerry Springer told you about. I would have thought that by now you would have figured out that those images are more the exception than the rule.

triskelion

2003-07-30 23:23 | User Profile

Rumblestrip, I would suggest that you note that Ares tars anyone that wishes to protect the survivial of Occidentals as "Nazis/skinheads/Klansmen" and all he labels as such he attacks in the same fashion as the ADL. If you read over his threads you'll note that he is not in any way, shape or form a white nationalist but someone that encourages the destruction of our race.

friedrich braun

2003-08-04 06:53 | User Profile

Originally posted by wintermute@Jul 24 2003, 02:52 * ** > While I have never posted at Storm Front and have some serious problems with that forum I will say that some very high quality people are active there and some posts excellent*

Well then, the only thing to do is to identify those very same posters and 'headhunt' them, i.e. bring them here.

For those of you who frequent SF, give us some candidates. We'll tap them on the shoulder, and if they say yes, then they'll have to go through the same bizarre "skull and bones" initiation ceremony, just like us.

Just like in the real world.

Wintermute **

I already did that with one person ("polak" on SF), a very bright geneticist.

I believe that he has begun to post here as "polako".

I hope that the tiresome LG will leave him alone...

(BTW, someone on VNNforum PMed to visit OD.)

Conservative

2003-08-04 07:06 | User Profile

*Originally posted by wintermute@Jul 24 2003, 02:52 * ** Well then, the only thing to do is to identify those very same posters and 'headhunt' them, i.e. bring them here.

For those of you who frequent SF, give us some candidates. We'll tap them on the shoulder, and if they say yes, then they'll have to go through the same bizarre "skull and bones" initiation ceremony, just like us.

Just like in the real world.

Wintermute **

Go to Stormfront and look especially in the "Science and Technology" section for the bright posters. Then send them private messages inviting them to OD. Some bright members at Stormfront are: "Darwin," "Stevefreedom," "Nuenke," etc. In fact, you can advertise this forum in their "Lounge" section or their internet activism section.

The truth though is that OD will also soon become dominated by KKK, Skinheads, and National Socialists.

Regards,

Ares

friedrich braun

2003-08-05 05:20 | User Profile

"The truth though is that OD will also soon become dominated by KKK, Skinheads, and National Socialists."

Why would all these nefarious individuals want to dominate OD?

Most of your posts make no sense.

Rumblestrip

2003-08-05 22:30 | User Profile

*Originally posted by friedrich braun@Aug 4 2003, 23:20 * ** Why would all these nefarious individuals want to dominate OD?

Most of your posts make no sense. **

Oh you know, the whole Nazi-world-domination thing. :hit:

Don't shatter his jew-reenforced image of Skins and Klansmen. :taz:

Conservative

2003-08-16 06:15 | User Profile

Carol knows how to make White Nationalism smart: [url=http://www.carolontheweb.com/]http://www.carolontheweb.com/[/url]

Regards,

Ares

triskelion

2003-08-16 07:15 | User Profile

It's odd that Ares thinks anything even remotely associated with real racialism and folkish renewal is bad for his jew/asian/Occidental cross-breeding and sci-fi style "white nationalism" yet he endorses Carol on the Web who flat out calls for genocide and in her own way is every bit as vulgar as Alex Linder. Yet when it comes to meta-politics and major theorists of National Renewal or real world public policy and ideology which everything to do with "mainstreaming" he has nothing to say as of yet. Frankly, this seems rather odd perhaps he could explain what he is propossing a bit more fully.