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Thread ID: 8284 | Posts: 11 | Started: 2003-07-20
2003-07-20 04:02 | User Profile
Here are two charts listing the national IQ averages of 185 nations:
1.) [url=http://www.rlynn.co.uk/pages/article_intelligence/t4.htm]http://www.rlynn.co.uk/pages/article_intel...lligence/t4.htm[/url] 2.) [url=http://www.rlynn.co.uk/pages/article_intelligence/t3.htm]http://www.rlynn.co.uk/pages/article_intel...lligence/t3.htm[/url]
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Ares
2003-07-20 04:41 | User Profile
Here are some pie charts on racial IQ averages: [url=http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/smartpie.htm]http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/smartpie.htm[/url]
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Ares
2003-07-20 05:04 | User Profile
Most of these averages are obtained by averaging the IQs of neighboring nations; definitive data is available for only 81 nations. Furthermore, Lynn adjusts his figures for the Flynn effect, which he believes to be a consequence of improving nutrition, but most other psychologists (Brand, Rushton, etc...) believe to be simply an increase in test-taking savvy, unrelated to intelligence.
2003-07-20 08:50 | User Profile
Germany 102 USA 98
2003-07-20 10:57 | User Profile
*Originally posted by ÃÅbeltäter@Jul 20 2003, 02:50 * ** Germany 102 USA 98 **
Does the US figure include the negroid factor?
2003-07-22 13:53 | User Profile
Originally posted by jamestown+Jul 20 2003, 04:57 -->
QUOTE* (jamestown @ Jul 20 2003, 04:57 ) <!--QuoteBegin-ÃÅbeltäter@Jul 20 2003, 02:50 * ** Germany 102 USA 98 ** Does the US figure include the negroid factor? **
No. Negroids and Mestizoes depress the American IQ 2-3 points.
Eendracht Maakt Mag
2003-07-22 14:05 | User Profile
My biggest problem with Lynn's averages is his policy of adjusting them for the Flynn effect. If the Flynn effect is a secular increase in intelligence due to improving nutrition, as Lynn believes, rather than simply an increase in test-taking savvyness, as most other psychologists believe, then American Negroids of today are more intelligent than white Americans of the 1920s. You decide if this is realistic. In my opinion, adjustments for the Flynn effect should be undone, i.e. the average for Finland should be increased to 98, the average for Russia should be increased to 100, etc... Also, some of the averages are based on small samples and seem rather unrealistic-I have a hard time believing that white South African IQ is only 94.
Drakmal
2003-07-22 23:06 | User Profile
Also, some of the averages are based on small samples and seem rather unrealistic-I have a hard time believing that white South African IQ is only 94.
Well, you have to admit that staying there wasn't very smart of them... :P
Roy Batty
2003-07-23 00:08 | User Profile
Originally posted by Prodigal Son@Jul 22 2003, 06:05 * My biggest problem with Lynn's averages is his policy of adjusting them for the Flynn effect.ÃÂ If the Flynn effect is a secular increase in intelligence due to improving nutrition, as Lynn believes, rather than simply an increase in test-taking savvyness, as most other psychologists believe, then American Negroids of today are more intelligent than white Americans of the 1920s. You decide if this is realistic. In my opinion, adjustments for the Flynn effect should be undone, i.e. the average for Finland should be increased to 98, the average for Russia should be increased to 100, etc... Also, some of the averages are based on small samples and seem rather unrealistic-I have a hard time believing that white South African IQ is only 94.*
Lynn has also tended to use numbers from E. Asian countries that were slightly inflated because the tests used were out of date. This wouldn't be a problem if he didn't compare the numbers received from E. Asians to those of Caucasians using newer exams. This tended to deflate the average for Whites overall by several points, and inflate the numbers for those populations (E. Asians) taking the older, outmoded tests. But in the interest of not looking too much like some kind of White Supremacist, Lynn and crew charged ahead with a worthwhile study and valuable info.
IQ is but one piece of the puzzle - that's been discussed before. For all the numbers we can toss out there about this group and that group, the way to look at a lot of things is to see just how each country is doing on its own. For non-white countries, this means looking at how they succeed without emulating Westerners, or accepting aid. This blows most everyone out of the water.
America is in a dysgenic state due to the $$$ tossed at the high birthrate, low IQ residents of the left side of the Bell Curve. Of course, blacks, browns, etc. are the biggest recipients, but there is a fair number of lowbrow Whites on the dole, and that number is growing.
Rban will no doubt have a fit when he again sees India's IQ average. Lynn has it at 81, but I believe the Indians were tested using the updated exams, so their average should be adjusted all the up to ... 84 or so.
Education does factor a bit into the averages, but just a little bit on the verbal portions of the exams, so the cries about schooling don't ring true.
The two top groups are E. Asians and Whites. Look at the world, and which groups seem to be able to maintiain civilizations, civil behavior, etc? Same two groups. Average IQ is an indicator of how a country will tend to fare overall. Again, Asians have an SD (standard deviation) that is narrower than Whites, just in case anyone is wondering why there seem to be so many more White "geniuses" and Whites at the very top levels of IQ scores in comparison to E. Asians with their slightly higher averages.
Israel's average is only 94, but that's because the Sephardic jews have a much lower average than the "European" Ashkenazi jews whom they outnumber. Most Ashkenazi jews live in Europe or the US. Wonder why?
Yeah, Netherlands 102, Germany 102, Japan 105, Italy 102 ... then we have Swaziland 77, Mexico 87, Colombia 88, Ecuador 80, India 81, Congo 65 ... Look at which countries are modernized, despite all the problems we could list for them. Look at their populations. Then look at the low IQ populations and their countries. Finally, look at who causes most of the social problems in the USA ... courtesy of Ashkenazik meddling, of course. The same people who make piss-pockets of their own countries. And the folks in charge only want to deliver more of the brown animals to our shores. Nah, there's no conspiracy.
The Flynn effect might be real for some populations, whose cognitive potential could have been hindered by poor nutrition. By this, I mean Whites and E. Asians, but not at the levels claimed by Flynn. Ridiculous. There's no doubt in my mind that it doesn't hold true at all for blacks, mestizos, etc. The Whites and E. Asians already have the capacity for intelligence, the rest, the majority of blacks, mestizos, Indians, etc., do not. That's why their countries are steeped in poverty and chaos no matter how much aid or advancement comes their way.
jay
2003-07-23 14:43 | User Profile
S. Korea 106, Germany 102?
No thanks.
This is proof that these white IQ researchers like to insulate themselves against the racism charges by puffing up the Asians. That way, the average Joe can say "Well, makes sense, look at all these asians in my college class photo"
But I'd take everything Europe's done over Asia, and judging by the list of all-time inventions, seemsl like Asia themselves would too.
-Jay
Conservative
2003-07-23 21:53 | User Profile
*Originally posted by jay@Jul 23 2003, 08:43 * ** But I'd take everything Europe's done over Asia, and judging by the list of all-time inventions. **
But what percentage of the White race invented all these things? Out of all the billions of Whites that have ever existed, how many were geniuses? Perhaps one out of a million? So, should the average White person consider themselves superior to Asians just because one White person out of a million invented something great? Perhaps, we should say that White elites are more creative than East Asian elites.
Also, with respect to the success of European societies, again, it is based on a few creative elites planning out the structure of society, then the average White masses then just copy them. So again, the average White man is no more "special" than the average East Asian. Actually, East Asian nations are just as successful of European ones, take a look at Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong. Yes, their civilizations were build using the ideas of the White elites, but so were the civilizations of most Whites. If anyone should be worshipped, it is simply the White elites, not the average White man.
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Ares