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Thread ID: 8227 | Posts: 20 | Started: 2003-07-18
2003-07-18 20:44 | User Profile
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The Allies 'Liberated' Europe? No
The Communists enslaved more people after WWII than the Nazis did before or during WWII -- thanks to FDR and Churchill, who gave Stalin half of Europe to play with at the Feb. 1945 Yalta Conference.
Soviet-controlled countries after WWII [11]
Nazi-controlled countries before/during WWII [9 1/2*]
2003-07-18 21:26 | User Profile
[Note: the above webpage has been updated with a photo/text]
2003-07-18 22:22 | User Profile
Austria was part of germany. Don't give me this nazi controlled crap.
2003-07-18 23:10 | User Profile
Well, ok, granted...that's a technicality...
2003-07-18 23:31 | User Profile
Great Post!
2003-07-19 03:34 | User Profile
Not to mention the West European nations that became puppets to the US, which flooded them with its own pop culture nonesense.
I remember on some documentary about the Marshall Plan they showed a French film from the late 1940's where these Frenchmen are at a bar drinking French wine. All of a sudden an American businessman comes in trying to sell American made wine. The Frenchmen taste it and think it's :dung: and tells the American to get the hell out. I guess it was a film trying to promote the French to mistrust the invasion of American consumerism, and I say they were right back then.
2003-07-19 19:51 | User Profile
perun1201,
Sadly all too true!
** Not to mention the West European nations that became puppets to the US, which flooded them with its own pop culture nonesense.
I remember on some documentary about the Marshall Plan they showed a French film from the late 1940's where these Frenchmen are at a bar drinking French wine. All of a sudden an American businessman comes in trying to sell American made wine. The Frenchmen taste it and think it's and tells the American to get the hell out. I guess it was a film trying to promote the French to mistrust the invasion of American consumerism, and I say they were right back then.**
2003-07-21 17:21 | User Profile
Great post, great website.
2003-07-21 17:33 | User Profile
A friend of mine was talking about WWII the other nite over beers. He complained that Europe did "nothing" to stop Germany. I said, "They had 2 choices: communism or nazi-ism." He said they should have chosen neither.
And that's the crux of people's views of WWII: they view it thru American eyes. It's like rooting for 2 teams you hate - which do you hate worse? [u]Europe was no better off under Communism[/u], and people need to realize that.
You'd think the Reaganites would lead that charge (they hated that "evil empire", no?) but they don't seem to notice the obvious.
-Jay
2003-07-21 17:49 | User Profile
WWII was one of the most catastrophic events in all of human history. It is a continuous open wound, disgraceful on every level, where there was no victory for either side. The US fought on the wrong side, obviously, on the evil side of Stalin and the Bolsheviks and killed countless thousands of White men. The people of the US didn't want to get involved in a European civil war. Then came, conveniently, Pearl Harbor, thanks to despicable FDR. In the pits of eternal Hell, there will be those, FDR and Stalin, burning in eternal fire for the death and inhuman misery they alone caused for countless human beings. Hitler was right and should be honored for being right way back when. His prophesies of things to come if the Bolsheviks prevailed in the nations of the world, have all, sadly, come true.
2003-07-21 17:56 | User Profile
Truth: the wrong side won WWII.
As a consequence, we have the world we "enjoy" today. :dung:
I am increasingly belligerent towards the veterans of the Allies: however, I do note that they were, for the most part, very young and uniformed, pawns of forces they could not understand at the time.
Even this knowledge makes it difficult to forgive them or tolerate them... Especially those who took part in and who profited from the criminal bombing raids, and especially those who allowed the communists to snare and massacre so many.
2003-07-21 21:53 | User Profile
[posted as a separate topic so that OD'ers who already read the first post do not miss it]
I made a correction to post/webpage "The Allies Liberated Europe? No" [added Baltic states to Nazi list]
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2003-07-22 02:01 | User Profile
**I am increasingly belligerent towards the veterans of the Allies: however, I do note that they were, for the most part, very young and uniformed, pawns of forces they could not understand at the time.
Even this knowledge makes it difficult to forgive them or tolerate them... Especially those who took part in and who profited from the criminal bombing raids, and especially those who allowed the communists to snare and massacre so many. **
Oh, I think that's a mistake. Those once-young Americans, just like the then-young Americans who went to Viet Nam and the young ones today in Iraq and Afghanistan and Korea and on and on... REALLY BELIEVE they are protecting America! This is the fault of ALL Americans -- we've allowed our young people to be brainwashed and misled and pumped full of pooh.gif !
A friend of mind said she was getting annoyed because her dad is struggling with anger and a sense of betrayal about WWII (he's Brit). SHE, of course, believes the jew-lies about WWII -- and when I started (gently and carefully) laying out some of the betrayals by which her dad was lied into the war, she was surprised, and then kind of had a emotional meltdown and stopped wanting to hear -- but she IS kinder about her dad... (She's been ill for some years -- Lyme disease -- and needs to save her strength for fighting for health... I still slide her gentle, occasional tidbits, to keep the brainwashing from swamping her entirely again...)
MOST WWII vets never DO get awakened!
2003-07-22 16:20 | User Profile
In Europe the United States was on the winning side. The Red Army won the war. This Red Army was quite different from the popular American conception of an army fighting for the love of communism. From my book:> **The great contribution to victory by the Russians has been acknowledged intellectually by many, but very seldom have many cared to thank them on an emotional level. This has not been entirely the fault of Americans as Soviet leadership was responsible for much of the death. The ineptitude of the Red Army in June 1941 must be blamed on butchery of the high command in the purges of 1937 and 1938. Show trials of that time caused the deaths of three of the five Soviet marshals, 13 of 15 Army commanders, 50 of 57 corps commanders, 154 of 186 division commanders, 99 of 106 leading political commissars and 401 of 456 colonels. What should still generate interest even in present day America was the character, both moral and intellectual, of Americans who defended Soviet butchery by Stalin and his henchmen. Many of these Americans and many of them Jews had looked upon the Soviet Union of Stalin as the great hope of the ages, and if many Slavs had to die to satisfy their maniacal dreams, it was a matter which did not concern them. When Germans did invade, Stalin had to rely upon the Russian Orthodox Church to generate the nationalist fervor to repel the Hun...
Invading Germans had tank forces with western estimates ranging from 800 to 3000 and the Soviets had tank forces estimated between 12,000 and 24,000. Germany in Russia as in France trusted most transport, not to motor vehicles, but to horses. For a long time Germans have always been presented in the American media as having both a qualitative and quantitative material advantage over the Russians when they had neither. The great advantage they had was the leadership of the German officer corps...
The cry of Joseph Stalin for a "second front" has long been unexamined by the American media. The Eastern Front was the Second Front which should surprise those who believe what is broadcast on National Public Radio. The ever observant Stalin saw that the letter and then some of the friendship treaty with Hitler was observed. Nazi forces got all the supplies they needed when they were attacking the French and the British in the West. Yet in September 1941 only 3 months after being attacked by Hitler Stalin was asking the British for 30 divisions to fight on the Eastern Front against their mutual enemy...
This address provoked much admiration from those who professed conservatism in the United States, but who chose to overlook Solzhenitsyn's contempt for much of American trash culture and materialism. Those on the left such as John Kenneth Galbraith and the purveyors of much of the smuttiness of American life, the New York Jew and his brethren in Hollywood, have never forgiven his public airing of great truths. Like his great 19th century predecessor, Dostoevsky, who towered over then contemporaneous American writers such as the wretched Mark Twain, Alexander Solzhenitsyn loomed over the American rabble. As a young artillery officer in the Red Army, Solzhenitsyn had written a letter critical of the military talents of Stalin. The censors took exception to his appraisal and for his transgression sent him to the camps. There he determined to write of the depravity and criminality which later so stunned the world. His revelations were not universally appreciated. The New York Jew and his kind which had long lied and apologized for the Soviet Union did not care to see their treachery and cowardice held up for public notice. Their hatred for Solzhenitsyn has continued to the present day. What had been forgotten by them was that Russia prevailed because they had soldiers like Solzhenitsyn, not because they had the heartfelt endorsement and occasional prayers of the New York Jew. [color=red]In September of 1941 Stalin had told Averell Harriman that the Russian people were fighting for their homeland, not for the Communist Party.[/color]**
2003-07-22 17:01 | User Profile
Mr. Gibbon,
Your book sounds like an interesting read... I shall purchase it when I am able.
2003-07-22 17:28 | User Profile
On a related note: Mr. Gibbon has it occured to you that the reason why the Chosen may want to keep the Ukrainian famine/genocide of 1932-33 under wraps is because the many who orchestrated it, Lazar Kagan, was Jewish?
2003-07-22 17:49 | User Profile
Prodigal Son (Posted on Jul 22 2003, 18:28)> On a related note: Mr. Gibbon has it occured to you that the reason why the Chosen may want to keep the Ukrainian famine/genocide of 1932-33 under wraps is because the many who orchestrated it, Lazar Kagan, was Jewish?
Why yes, I have had that thought many times.
2003-07-22 17:56 | User Profile
Originally posted by edward gibbon@Jul 22 2003, 11:49 * ** Prodigal Son (Posted on Jul 22 2003, 18:28)> On a related note: Mr. Gibbon has it occured to you that the reason why the Chosen may want to keep the Ukrainian famine/genocide of 1932-33 under wraps is because the many who orchestrated it, Lazar Kagan, was Jewish?*
Why yes, I have had that thought many times. **
Do you allude to this in your book?
2003-07-22 19:09 | User Profile
Prodigal Son (Posted on Jul 22 2003, 18:56)> ** On a related note: Mr. Gibbon has it occured to you that the reason why the Chosen may want to keep the Ukrainian famine/genocide of 1932-33 under wraps is because the many who orchestrated it, Lazar Kagan, was Jewish?
**Why yes, I have had that thought many times. ** **
**Do you allude to this in your book? **
I think I may be one of the few on this forum who has not been accused of being leery about naming names and pointing out the lying inconsistencies. I have had people park in front of my house, leave the engine running, get out, take a picture or two and drive away.
2003-07-22 19:24 | User Profile
*Originally posted by edward gibbon@Jul 22 2003, 13:09 * ** I think I may be one of the few on this forum who has not been accused of being leery about naming names and pointing out the lying inconsistencies. I have had people park in front of my house, leave the engine running, get out, take a picture or two and drive away. **
Take it easy, Mr. Gibbon, I was just wondering. I'll try to get my hands on a copy of your book.