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Thread ID: 7999 | Posts: 32 | Started: 2003-07-09
2003-07-09 04:47 | User Profile
I dont have time to debate the same points over and over.
You guys think Jews are the core of what is destroying Western Civilization. They are not, but some of them are deceived as it is with many other groups. And even if you were right, there would be better, more tactical ways of handling it.
Anti-semitism is such a losing proposition in America today, that the Left even sponsors the defense of anti-semites in court, for goodness sakes.
If white males depended on anti-semites to represent their interests, we will never see justice and equity in this country again.
But then that is why the LEft wants to keep anti-semitism alive; it ensures their victory.
In short, anti-semitism has devolved into a fringe cockroach movement.
I hope to find a forum where Jared Taylor, Sam Francis and other paleocons have their views welcomed. But I neither want to waste my time here anymore, despite it being such a beautiful forum, nor do I want to be associated with anti-semites anymore.
Good bye, and God bless you all and may He eventually, one day, lead you to His Truth.
2003-07-09 05:18 | User Profile
Judeo-"Christianity" has rotted your brain. Mental slaves deserve to be swindled out of a country.
2003-07-09 05:20 | User Profile
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, Mr Horowitz.
If anti-semites depended on white males to represent their interests, we will never see justice and equity in this country again.
But then that is why Jews want to keep the idea of "Left" and "Right" alive while infiltrating both; it ensures their victory.
2003-07-09 05:57 | User Profile
*Originally posted by rglencheek@Jul 8 2003, 22:47 * ** Good bye, and God bless you all and may He eventually, one day, lead you to His Truth. **
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2003-07-09 05:57 | User Profile
I think we are missing the point here. We failed in opening his eyes, and that means, we lose, because he will be one more voter in support of Jews.
Regards,
Ares
2003-07-09 06:23 | User Profile
Hey dudes, he called us anti-semites. We'd better stop saying mean things about jews and instead talk about affirmative action and gun control, so that nobody else valuable leaves!
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2003-07-09 06:35 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ares@Jul 9 2003, 05:57 * *I think we are missing the point here. We failed in opening his eyes, and that means, we lose, because he will be one more voter in support of Jews.
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You've really fallen for the man haven't you? Its difficult to open the eyes of a man when his head is stuck up someplace the sun never shines. His, or more likely the neo-conservatives he rather obviously patronized.
2003-07-09 06:42 | User Profile
I called him by name [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8960&hl=] here[/url]
That's the problem with garden variety Conned Servantives... they want to address the symptoms, not the disease.
2003-07-09 07:14 | User Profile
While I do lament somewhat the recent over-the-top bullying tactics I've witnessed of late towards any new members that oppose the perceived party line here, I don't have much sympathy for anyone who doesn't bring their A game to a hostile arena and then cuts and runs. Hell, I'm the owner of the dang board and have taken more hits in the Christianity forum than I care to recall. But if you'll notice, I haven't shut down the board.
I liked some of what rglen put up and even told him so on at least one occasion. But like most everything these days, so much rides on one's opinion of Jews and Israel. It has become Travis' modern-day line in the sand, even for those like myself who really couldn't give a rat's you know what what goes on in the Middle East. The issues surrounding that armpit of the world just can no longer be ignored. For someone like myself who just a few years ago was completely neutral on Israel/Jewish issues, I have to say that reading MacDonald's 'Culture of Critique' was what opened my eyes and probably forever changed my paradigm of viewing what was happening in the world. If rglen is still lurking, I would highly suggest that he get a copy and read it carefully with an open mind. It is meticulously factual, well-researched and mind-blowing in its effect on the interested reader.
Having made that recommendation, folks like Franco will deride me for not consistently 'naming the Jew' and I don't and probably won't ever. Despite the Israel-firsters at FR and elsewhere claims to the contrary, I don't consider myself an anti-semite. But MacDonald's book puts a whole lot of meat on the bones of a very real movement/theory that simply must be kept in the forefront of the mind of any true patriot nationalist or conservative that desires to have any lasting effect in our present age. That's as simple and plain as I can make it.
Best regards to you, rglen. Maybe one day we shall meet up in the catacombs.
2003-07-09 08:05 | User Profile
I may have jumped a little ugly with the guy, but I hate hearing a patronizing speech from either the philos or the antis. Besides, you don't wish God's Truth on a 'cockroach'...y'smash it with a hob nailed boot, no?
Lately we've been getting a fresh infusion of Nazier-than-thou newbies and it's just as tiresome, by the way. Whether you're left, right, racist or not, for Chrissakes invest in a sense of humor before you sign on here.
2003-07-09 09:41 | User Profile
You guys think Jews are the core of what is destroying Western Civilization. They are not, but some of them are deceived as it is with many other groups.
I will, on the odd chance that you (or a lurker or two needing incentive) take the time to read this, try a gentle approach that may get you started on a path leading to eventual reconsideration of the above. It is a variant of an argument Iââ¬â¢ve encountered elsewhere and I think it worthwhile for those who are fond of logic.
Step 1: Take a couple minutes to peruse the following website. There is no need to read the thing in its entirety. Just scan through the dates and places and note that the happenings are reasonably interchangeable.
[url=http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/expulsions.html]http://www.eretzyisroel.org[/url]
This particular website is not ideal. Iââ¬â¢ve glanced more comprehensive versions that are also Jewish, but it is good enough for our purposes. It offers a list of Jewish expulsions for the past 2000 years. Note that every major European state has at some point in its history been guilty of trying to rid itself of Jews, usually on more than one occasion. Again, there are more comprehensive listings on the net -- and I assure your that rare is the European political entity, however miniscule, that is not similarly guilty and the site itself states that ââ¬Åthe above catalogue is only the tip of the icebergââ¬Â -- on the net but this is the one that I came across first and I do not feel like performing research.
Step 2: Reflect for a moment on the frequency and universality of the phenomenon of Jewish expulsions. This is crucial. Failure to do so usually means that one i) looses interest and moves on, or ii) assumes that the Jewish version is more representative of reality and wonders why the world is so full of hate and prejudice. Others, those that take the moment to ponder the Jewish question invariably arrive at something likeââ¬Â¦ wait just a minute! Surely at least some or all of the persecutors must have had a reason, or thought they did.
No special knowledge of the Talmud, the Wars, and the Holocaust is required though conventional thinking on the frequency of ââ¬Årandomââ¬Â occurrences is most helpful. Additional non-intensive cerebral activity yields three possible explanations for the indefatigable phenomenon:
The Jews themselves did nothing to bring about the hostile behaviour of others and the justifications of those trying to get rid of them, whatever they may be, have no merit. The reasons for the expulsions are many but likely include, jealousy, bigotry and racism, inherent in all men, most especially in Europeans and European colonists. They picked on Jews because they looked different and the exercise became something of a tradition.
The Jews at one time have misbehaved out of proportion to their numbers and some or all of the expulsions (the ratio is not significant) were justifiable but they have since changed their ways and present complaints have no foundation. But, because Jews are the group that has historically been persecuted few have seen reason to change the traditional scapegoat when a new one is required.
The Jews have misbehaved out of proportion to their numbers and continue to do so today. The nature of the Jew has not changed, but the typical white man has. He has been stripped of his racial instincts and has become so befuddled that he thinks elements of Jewish culture to be his own. Thus past and present excesses against the tribe are but natural reactions of state organisms attempting to expel harmful elements.
There really are no other possibilities to consider. Each must choose the version that best corresponds to his perception of reality.
I will not deny that the first explanation IS plausible. Nations that have been trying to expel Jews from their lands during the last 2000 years may not have had a case to stand on. Stranger things have happened. OJ Simpson was confirmed innocent during his criminal trial. The DNA evidence was deemed to be inaccurate or else procured by fraudulent means. If OJ can surmount odds in the neighbourhood of billion to one then surely the Jews can overcome the claims of dozens or even hundreds of various nationalities.
Ours is an infinite universe, after allââ¬Â¦
Bon voyage!
2003-07-09 15:30 | User Profile
Technically you're right, but there's a flaw in your logic. The problem is not all "The Jews," itââ¬â¢s actually the Jewish Zionists (Supremacists) trying to use and influence America to support Pro-Israeli policies.
2003-07-09 16:30 | User Profile
Originally posted by electrik@Jul 9 2003, 09:30 * Technically you're right*, but there's a flaw in your logic. The problem is not all "The Jews," itââ¬â¢s actually the Jewish Zionists (Supremacists) trying to use and influence America to support Pro-Israeli policies.
As opposed to Jewish Marxists (Frankfurt School deconstructionists) trying (trying? they've succeeded) to turn America into a festering cesspit of femi-homo-multiculti fun? You're cool with those Jews then? As McDonald's CoC explains, in meticulous detail, the problem is indeed with "The Jews". Would that it were otherwise...
2003-07-09 16:59 | User Profile
Technically you're right, but there's a flaw in your logic. The problem is not all "The Jews," itââ¬â¢s actually the Jewish Zionists (Supremacists) trying to use and influence America to support Pro-Israeli policies.
Youââ¬â¢ve not found a flaw in logic, but, rather, raised the issue of strength of a particular variable. Iââ¬â¢ve made no attempts at quantification and never will, but others are welcomed to try. In any event, your point is accounted for via the phrasing:
...out of proportion to their numbersââ¬Â¦
The implication being that there is a subgroup that is not necessarily representative of the whole, much as criminals are not representative of the general population.
2003-07-09 17:05 | User Profile
Originally posted by na Gaeil is gile+Jul 9 2003, 10:30 -->
QUOTE (na Gaeil is gile @ Jul 9 2003, 10:30 ) <!--QuoteBegin-electrik@Jul 9 2003, 09:30 * Technically you're right*, but there's a flaw in your logic. The problem is not all "The Jews," itââ¬â¢s actually the Jewish Zionists (Supremacists) trying to use and influence America to support Pro-Israeli policies. As opposed to Jewish Marxists (Frankfurt School deconstructionists) trying (trying? they've succeeded) to turn America into a festering cesspit of femi-homo-multiculti fun? You're cool with those Jews then? As McDonald's CoC explains, in meticulous detail, the problem is indeed with "The Jews". Would that it were otherwise... **
Oh yes, the Pro-Communist Jews, can't forget about them. I blame the Neo-Russian culture that was created by Marx, Linen, and Stalin. If I'm not mistaken, most of the Jews in America came from Russia or from Germany but originally from Russia (trying to create a Communist overthrow).
Ruffin
2003-07-09 17:12 | User Profile
I blame the Neo-Russian culture that was created by Marx, Linen, and Stalin.
Please elaborate.
Happy Hacker
2003-07-09 17:33 | User Profile
*Originally posted by rglencheek@Jul 9 2003, 04:47 * ** You guys think Jews are the core of what is destroying Western Civilization. They are not, **
Some people here do sound a bit one-tracked. White liberals and neocons, most of the black race, those hispanics who don't respect our border, and others share plenty of responsibility for the decline of America.
But, on the other hand, the demage from those blacks and hispanics isn't because of their own ability to rise to places of power in America.
Take care.
electrik
2003-07-09 17:33 | User Profile
Originally posted by Ruffin@Jul 9 2003, 11:12 * ** > I blame the Neo-Russian culture that was created by Marx, Linen, and Stalin.*
Please elaborate. **
After the Communists overthrew the Russian Czar, every aspect of Russia was altered the fit the Marxist ideal of a perfect utopian society. The next step was to get other countries to follow in the footsteps of the perfect utopian society. The Russian immigrates were no doubt influenced by the constant Communist propaganda fed to them since birth and the Jews were particularly interested in Communism because of how badly they were treated (even before Nazi Germany) in society. Oppressed and mistreated people (not to feel sorry for them) are usually the ones who push for equality the hardest and Communism offers them the chance to be "equal."
ÃÅbeltäter
2003-07-09 17:41 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Happy Hacker@Jul 9 2003, 11:33 * ** Some people here do sound a bit one-tracked. **
You sound one-tracked aswell. Many people here aren't from America.
Take Care, also :sm:
:hit:
Ruffin
2003-07-09 18:12 | User Profile
After the Communists overthrew the Russian Czar, every aspect of Russia was altered the fit the Marxist ideal of a perfect utopian society. The next step was to get other countries to follow in the footsteps of the perfect utopian society. The Russian immigrates were no doubt influenced by the constant Communist propaganda fed to them since birth and the Jews were particularly interested in Communism because of how badly they were treated (even before Nazi Germany) in society. Oppressed and mistreated people (not to feel sorry for them) are usually the ones who push for equality the hardest and Communism offers them the chance to be "equal."
OR -
After the Unionists overthrew the American republic, every aspect of America was altered to fit the Jewish ideal of a perfect democracy. The next step was to get the other countries to follow in the footsteps of the perfect democracy. The American immigrants were no doubt influenced by the constant Jewish propaganda fed to them since birth and the Jews were particularly interested in communism because it was an inherent part of their religion and a lot of their funds were tied up in it (particularly before Nazi Germany). Oppressed and mistreated people, having no ability to affect change on their own, often enlist in communism/democracy because it promises/threatens them with "equality".
Bottom line, no matter the regional perspective, communism/democracy was/is a Jewish promise of "equality". And we all know that Jews are a sincere though irrationally oppressed people. :dung: Unfortunately (for everybody else), their presence is unhealthy for any nation that has experienced it.
Franco
2003-07-09 18:16 | User Profile
Note to Tex and the rest:
Yes, KMacD's book "Culture of Critique" will open up a person's eyes about Jews, but let it be known that CofC actually pulls some punches. And it leaves out some stuff.
Lemme tell you, you must read David Duke's 1999 book "My Awakening." It maps out a lot more info about Jews and their wrecking of America.
Trust me. Read that book before any other. Duke also has a new book out, "Jewish Supremacism."
Let's backtrack re: some of Duke's book topics:
Feminism? Jewish
Black "civil rights?" Jewish
Gun control? Heavily-Jewish
Non-White immigration? Heavily-Jewish
Sexual promiscuity? Heavily-Jewish
Hollywood? Jewish
Media? Heavily-Jewish
The Left? Heavily-Jewish [invented by Jews, in fact]
And after all of that, some White people still say that they are not "anti-Semites?" Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!! :D :D :D
Lewis Wetzel
2003-07-09 18:32 | User Profile
Zionist Jews trample white interests, culture, and historical existence to further their tribe. The anti-Zionist Jews of the sort who haunt The Nation - the Chomskys, Zinns, Doctorows, etc. - no longer care about their tribal interests as such. They trample for the sake of trampling.
Kurt
2003-07-09 18:39 | User Profile
*Good bye folks, its been interesting*
I wish we could say the same about you. :sleep: :y :y :y
ÃÅbeltäter
2003-07-09 18:55 | User Profile
LMAO @ Kurt's one-liners. :clown:
Valley Forge
2003-07-09 22:08 | User Profile
It's time for another Jewish expulsion.
Chaucer
2003-07-09 22:34 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Franco@Jul 9 2003, 12:16 * ** Note to Tex and the rest:
Yes, KMacD's book "Culture of Critique" will open up a person's eyes about Jews, but let it be known that CofC actually pulls some punches. And it leaves out some stuff.
Lemme tell you, you must read David Duke's 1999 book "My Awakening." It maps out a lot more info about Jews and their wrecking of America.
Trust me. Read that book before any other. Duke also has a new book out, "Jewish Supremacism."
Let's backtrack re: some of Duke's book topics:
Feminism? Jewish
Black "civil rights?" Jewish
Gun control? Heavily-Jewish
Non-White immigration? Heavily-Jewish
Sexual promiscuity? Heavily-Jewish
Hollywood? Jewish
Media? Heavily-Jewish
The Left? Heavily-Jewish [invented by Jews, in fact]
And after all of that, some White people still say that they are not "anti-Semites?" Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!! :D :D :D **
The "Culture of Critique" addresses all those issues, I believe. But I will have to look into "My Awakening".
Also, to whoever is leaving. Don't think for a second Samuel Francis isn't aware of the Jew....Francis just doesn't directly address the issue like others.
electrik
2003-07-09 23:26 | User Profile
Is there an online copy of Culture of Critique?
Franco
2003-07-09 23:54 | User Profile
1stBooks has an online e-copy for $5.95 or something.
Lewis Wetzel
2003-07-11 21:43 | User Profile
Amen, AY. If Jews are a disease, they are an opportunistic infection - weakening further an already weakened host. A main part of the problem - perhaps the biggest problem - lies in the nature of Western Man. We're willing and able to sympathize with, and see things from the point of view of, other people to the extant that nobody else does. Perhaps it comes from a Classical elevation of objective truth above our own wishes, hopes, and above justice itself. This is a great strength, but it's also an "in" for others to exploit. Contrast it with the Tribe's faith that their interests are identical with those of justice, and that "truth" is whatever happens to further those interests. We have to realize that, while we should lend an ear to other's critiques and claims, we are the only ones who are going to stand up for our own interests. Whether we'll learn to do that before it's too late is a question I can't answer.
Eendracht Maakt Mag
2003-07-11 21:57 | User Profile
*Originally posted by rglencheek@Jul 8 2003, 22:47 * ** I dont have time to debate the same points over and over.
You guys think Jews are the core of what is destroying Western Civilization. They are not, **
You're begging the question. You have not provided us with any substantial evidence in support of your claims.
Ragnar
2003-07-11 22:26 | User Profile
*Originally posted by la foudre folle@Jul 11 2003, 16:59 * ** Do you think that the "reactionary movement" (for lack of a better term) against the Global Enemy Class is strengthened by reading this book? **
No. It only provides knowledge that can be used in various ways.
For instance, in my case it allowed me to see "group survival strategy" in action and compare Jewish strategies with those of other groups. Or lack thereof.
Critique is one of those books that's interesting even if you never use it for anything at all. It gives a perspective that explains a great deal. Reading it is not some sort of deal with the devil. You may even come to believe that the Jews have a right to rule the world if they can implement their strategies and others cannot counter them with strategies of their own.
Avalanche
2003-07-13 05:13 | User Profile
**Chaucer: I will have to look into "My Awakening". and
la foudre folle on CofC: Why then, have I not read it? I am not the sort of person who fears books. And ...my Catholic schoolgirl's reluctance to go over that particualr waterfall. **
I cannot support strongly enough your chosing to read Duke's book! He provides such a well-documented and easily read and easily followed expose' of the whole Jewish question that you cannot help but grasp a huge number of the ramifications of what's really going on! He's sometimes long-winded but well well worth reading!! If I could afford it, I'd buy a copy for every white family I know! (and all the ones I don't know too!)