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Thread ID: 7995 | Posts: 35 | Started: 2003-07-09
2003-07-09 02:45 | User Profile
Look at this drivel on the VNN site. Unbelievable. I usually don't say anything about VNN and I admit there were times I used Alex's site, but forgive me this is beyond stupidity. I will NEVER visit VNN again, nor do I have any intention of ever visiting upon it"z" idiotic forum.. what an insult to the white race Alex Linder has become.. he needs to be strapped and fed Haldol for a week... this guy is WRONG.
VNN Forum is formally launching today, White American Independence Day. In the American spirit -- and you'll remember that VNN, like America, is a White production, whereas AmeriKwa, like Free Republic, is a jewish production -- you can opine, express, speak, chirp, bleat, he-yeep, fart, bellow, armpit-noise whatever the fuckety-f*ck you want and ground control won't ask three photo IDs and a buttprint. I garontweety-pete it. Unless you try to post nekkid pictures of a cute eight-year-old getting fucked up the ass by Canadian schnauzer while firing full auto at bushy-chimp dancing cross-eyedly for nickels while kiko-organist grindz nosily, you will be left alone by yourself playing solitaire with your lonesome. Since, as we all know, THERE IS NO INTELLIGENT OPPOSITION TO WHITE NATIONALISM, all VNN's forum needs is freedom to demolish our enemies. That is the operating theory of this forum: you don't have to keep looking over your shoulder for a microdickhead. Itz summertime, and the postin' is eeezy. Snootch, snatch, snotch, snutch: free republic smellz like BUTT. Libs, yahoodis, freepeurs, Sticksters, hommes du nigge, pommes du terre, clotheshorses, pommel horses, shitskinz, headskins, foreskins, calamari, giants, kracken, Kolossals, midgets, kahns, commies, generic douchebags, people who use air freshner as deodorant, deviated septums, Justin Raimondo, clawless gerbils, warm japanese boys, paleos, solids, whites, pinkz, checkereds, reds, jaredites, hebe-luvin' "they look white to me"-bes, aliyentas, survivors of plane crashes at high altitudes forced to subsist on corpses of fellow travelers, grays, aliens, probers, normals, racists, racialists, thupremacists, gay nazis, Race Trekkies, monorchids, black orchids, second basemen, golf clappers, mustang ranchers between dates, practitioners of non-euclidian geometry, eunuchs, jim nobinson, pudgy-schmaltzy-pear-shaped ADLpated trolls, lincunt haters, sweaty-bosomed rivertanzers, celticians, weenies, anthropoids, featherless bipeds, giggers of ripe frogs, hominid equivalents of cubic zirconium: ALL ARE WELCOME. This means YOU.
And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Or, in ebonics, Itz like this and like that and like this, yo.
Part Two of Your Reward...
Now, letz shift modes...letz think a bit...about where we've been, and where we're going.
VNN was born on August 9, 2000. I remember the first day. I think we had maybe four page views. But we knew knew knew knew knew knew knew.
Today, just for the exercise, I walked a couple miles in mid-nineties sunheat to pick up the final batch of donations. There were 45 pieces in the box. The most ever in one day through the whole Challenge. Whites rose to the occasion.
2003-07-09 02:51 | User Profile
Thatz our Alex! :lol:
2003-07-09 02:55 | User Profile
Im sorry but you are a real jerk. all self aggrandizing you are, Sir Alex.. think you are king of your White world.. who the f*k do you really think you are.. you are a victim of self-aggrandization if you continue to act this way. This is a time when the leadership of Sr. Pierce is indeed missed. Take your vulgar website and fade into obscurity and ban and vile. You are a burning cauldron of hate.. and to think I gave you the benefit of the doubt , well guess what, you lost me...and you can call Kevin Strom a weenie all you want but he is far and above your cajoleries and your daft infantile perception. Same goes for your butt buddy Bill White. Anyway don't bother me and I won't post anymore, but this is a worthy topic.. you're a pimple on the ass of the white worls, not a porn star... so can it already you insane prick. May Tex protect me for saying this...
2003-07-09 02:59 | User Profile
Linder is a vulgar moron whose prose sounds like the ramblings of a pedophile meth addict. I have always considered VNN to be poorly produced tripe that appeals to the absolute lowest common denominator. I especially get a kick out of the cartoons that he features...crude pencil scratches on notebook paper. Very classy, let me tell you.
2003-07-09 03:02 | User Profile
:lol: :lol: :lol: Get over it. :hit:
2003-07-09 03:02 | User Profile
Wait: I'm lost.
What are you specifically objecting to here? This is not just typical, but pretty mild, Linderschtick: equal parts absurdism and alliteration. The way you are fuming, I'm looking for a smoking gun that I just can't find.
Elucidate, please.
As an aside to W Kurtz: I'm with you on the cartoons. They suck, in no uncertain terms. Why VNN doesn't begin using photoshop to create anti-Semitic collages and clip art is beyond me.
2003-07-09 03:05 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Jul 8 2003, 21:02 * ** Wait: I'm lost.*
What are you specifically objecting to here? This is not just typical, but pretty mild, Linderschtick: equal parts absurdism and alliteration. The way you are fumming, I'm looking for a smoking gun that I just can't find.
Elucidate, please. **
As of late, Linder seems to be indulging in increasingly incomprehensible rants that appear to be written in his own obnoxious vernacular. I think that the constant, out of place pedophilia references are pretty damn tiresome also (not too mention f*&%ing sick)
2003-07-09 03:06 | User Profile
I can neither agree or disagree with the above screed, because damned if I can understand it! Somebody please explain both Linder's rant and ED's objections...
2003-07-09 03:09 | User Profile
Originally posted by Lewis Wetzel@Jul 8 2003, 21:06 * ** I can neither agree or disagree with the above screed, because damned if I can understand it! Somebody please explain both* Linder's rant and ED's objections... **
That's the problem...Linder is a very disturbed guy who writes in this self-referencing sort of humour style that only he and Bill White apparently understand. They are like a couple of pothead high schoolers sitting in the back of the classroom sharing an inside joke. How is this helping to wake up White America?
2003-07-09 03:10 | User Profile
Oy vey; just like Zhids you people are: kvetching over some individual who expresses himself in an unorthodox manner, even if his mindset is somehow in the same direction as yours.
Ain't it all about FREEDOM OF SPEECH?? If you don't like Linder, don't go to VNN. Forget about him. Simple as that.
2003-07-09 03:15 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Robbie@Jul 8 2003, 21:10 * ** Oy vey; just like Zhids you people are: kvetching over some individual who expresses himself in an unorthodox manner, even if his mindset is somehow in the same direction as yours.
Ain't it all about FREEDOM OF SPEECH?? If you don't like Linder, don't go to VNN. Forget about him. Simple as that. **
I don't visit Linder's site...nor do I care whether his site continues to be viewed by others. I do, however, get a little tired of WNs who claim that the adolescent antics of maladjusted losers like Linder are somehow helpful, useful, or relevant.
2003-07-09 03:25 | User Profile
I'm sorry, but I'm not telling A.L. ala VNN to lose his edge, as a matter of fact his edge is a good thing, I'm just saying that he alienated me by his childish rant and I have no intention of joining a VNN forum which is surely going to be a breeding nest of similar primary racial jokes and tribal drum-beating. The last movie review I saw on VNN is exemplary also, 28 days.. the reviewer simply lambasted the whole movie only because it had a black man in a positive role.. look, I'm as worldly and knowledgeable as you, but to trash a whole movie based on it having one black good guy in it is wrong, like you've never met a decent one negro in your life. Our enemies are sophisticated and entrenched and extremely powerful.. I appreciate Alex 's enthusiasm but do not feel that he is doing any service by bringing everything down to the lowest guttural feces-level point. Vnn belies itself and the good thing it did ala Doles by once again showing its baby face for all to see... Maybe AL and BW just need to sober up, I don't know.. let " z " see them do it ALREADY.
2003-07-09 03:32 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Walter E Kurtz@Jul 9 2003, 03:15 * ** I do, however, get a little tired of WNs who claim that the adolescent antics of maladjusted losers like Linder are somehow helpful, useful, or relevant. **
I don't see Linder as a loser. My thoughts are with Stormfront, where WN is hardly the issue. These are people who are more concerned with the dilemma of whether Greeks and Italians are White than preserving our racial heritage and customs. That is b.s. and unfortunately, many view SF as a haven of nationalism.
Linder does appeal to some because he tells it like it is, in his usual manner. I personally find it amusing and give him credit for saying the things he says, because no one else will take that challenge. Yes, the cartoons look like they could've been drawn by a four-year old (they could be more professional than that), but since I hardly look at them it doesn't bother me.
I also think that the contributors shouldn't have to keep using nom de plumes, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are being watched. In the NWO, everyone with a mind has to look behind himself.
2003-07-09 03:41 | User Profile
Originally posted by Robbie+Jul 8 2003, 21:32 -->
QUOTE* (Robbie @ Jul 8 2003, 21:32 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Walter E Kurtz@Jul 9 2003, 03:15 * ** I do, however, get a little tired of WNs who claim that the adolescent antics of maladjusted losers like Linder are somehow helpful, useful, or relevant. ** I don't see Linder as a loser. My thoughts are with Stormfront, where WN is hardly the issue. These are people who are more concerned with the dilemma of whether Greeks and Italians are White than preserving our racial heritage and customs. That is b.s. and unfortunately, many view SF as a haven of nationalism.
Linder does appeal to some because he tells it like it is, in his usual manner. I personally find it amusing and give him credit for saying the things he says, because no one else will take that challenge. Yes, the cartoons look like they could've been drawn by a four-year old (they could be more professional than that), but since I hardly look at them it doesn't bother me.
I also think that the contributors shouldn't have to keep using nom de plumes, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are being watched. In the NWO, everyone with a mind has to look behind himself. **
I admit that occassionally I have enjoyed some of Linder's wittier rants. However, Linder eliciting a laugh from you or me is just a guy preaching to the choir. How would a guy or a lady who is new to WN react to a Linder rant? They would think that he is a complete wacko, and would not even understand his satirical style. I called Linder a loser because both him and Bill White (although White is more extreme in this regard) seem to think that they are important, relevant figures who are at the top of the FBI's sh*t list...suffice to say, I think that this is a bit grandiose.
Franco
2003-07-09 03:42 | User Profile
Heh, heh, sour grapes. :y
Come up with yer own high-ranking WN website, full of good info/archives/letters, or stop blockin' the mirror... 'kay?
:mellow: :mellow:
Walter E Kurtz
2003-07-09 03:48 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Franco@Jul 8 2003, 21:42 * ** Heh, heh, sour grapes. :y
Come up with yer own high-ranking WN website, full of good info/archives/letters, or stop blockin' the mirror... 'kay?
:mellow: :mellow: **
No thanks. I'd rather just talk to like-minded folks on OD occasionally while dedicating the bulk of my efforts towards effecting change in the real world.
Call me when the government has been overthrown and the National Socialist revolution has been consolidated, Uncle Franco.
Robbie
2003-07-09 03:54 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Walter E Kurtz@Jul 9 2003, 03:41 * ** How would a guy or a lady who is new to WN react to a Linder rant? They would think that he is a complete wacko, and would not even understand his satirical style. **
I sincerely doubt that. When I saw VNN for the first time, it didn't rub me the wrong way. To the contrary; this was a point-of-view that I was hoping existed somewhere on this earth because either people are the typical Hitler/Nazi-obsessed naysayers or well-behaved puppies who can have those kinds of thoughts but wouldn't dare say it out loud.
Wayland
2003-07-09 03:54 | User Profile
Exelsis_Deo, you beat me to it: Alex Linder and Bill White are a disgrace to the white race. These two f*ckwits should be cut right out of any sane white nationalist's world view.
It was bad enough with the obsessive VNN rants against Sam Francis but now they've added in their totally baseless, crude, sleazy attacks on the National Alliance and the NA leadership. As if Linder or White could ever hope to hold a candle to William Pierce OR to his successor Kevin A. Strom, who by the way has done a fantastic job of stepping up to fill in after the loss of Pierce. Linder and White smear Strom, they smear the NA directors, they make accusations they can't back up, and they don't quit.
And as for you Linder lovers, just what the fck is going through your head? You support this? Give your head a fcking shake... and then go and post a reply to [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=9200&st=0&#entry49671]this[/url] thread - show us all where you stand.
Robbie
2003-07-09 04:00 | User Profile
Originally posted by Wayland@Jul 9 2003, 03:54 * ** Exelsis_Deo, you beat me to it: Alex Linder and Bill White are a disgrace to the white race. These two fckwits should be cut right out of any sane white nationalist's world view.
It was bad enough with the obsessive VNN rants against Sam Francis but now they've added in their totally baseless, crude, sleazy attacks on the National Alliance and the NA leadership. As if Linder or White could ever hope to hold a candle to William Pierce OR to his successor Kevin A. Strom, who by the way has done a fantastic job of stepping up to fill in after the loss of Pierce. Linder and White smear Strom, they smear the NA directors, they make accusations they can't back up, and they don't quit.
And as for you Linder lovers, just what the fck is going through your head? You support this? Give your head a fcking shake... and then go and post a reply to [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=9200&st=0&#entry49671]this[/url] thread - show us all where you stand. **
I see a little bit of Tom Rennick has made lasting impressions on a few of these posters.
Wayland
2003-07-09 04:08 | User Profile
Originally posted by Robbie+Jul 8 2003, 20:32 -->
QUOTE* (Robbie @ Jul 8 2003, 20:32 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Walter E Kurtz@Jul 9 2003, 03:15 * ** I do, however, get a little tired of WNs who claim that the adolescent antics of maladjusted losers like Linder are somehow helpful, useful, or relevant. ** I don't see Linder as a loser. My thoughts are with Stormfront, where WN is hardly the issue. These are people who are more concerned with the dilemma of whether Greeks and Italians are White than preserving our racial heritage and customs. That is b.s. and unfortunately, many view SF as a haven of nationalism.**
StormFront is the premier pro-White web site IN THE WORLD but it's typical of a Linderite to try and discredit it.
il ragno
2003-07-09 05:44 | User Profile
Well, I'm Italian and Greek; I don't think I'd be too welcome at Stormfront, regardless of how preeminent it is.
Interesting how there are "Linderites" but never any "Stormfront fanboys", though.
Actually, I haven't checked out the VNN forum. I just don't have enough free time to patronize multiple boards, but any new board tends to wobble before it walks. They need time and members to really develop an identity.
Alex's error is in dividing his feedback between a forum AND a letters page. The VNN Reader Mail is usually full of good meaty sustenance and I'd assume the cream of his correspondence can still be found there.
N.B. Forrest
2003-07-09 09:18 | User Profile
Alex Linder is furious, exceedingly smart & sincere. Is he always right? Hell no - just usually. His ferocious vulgarity turns some uptight people off, but he has style, and that's a rare thing indeed.
Not everything has to be so inoffensively oatmeal-bland that any anal retentive Sally Soccermom will find it palatable. Let there be something for the enraged wide-awakes, as well as for the curious fence-sitters.
Rumblestrip
2003-07-09 10:48 | User Profile
Shh! What's that I hear? It sounds like cheering! Yes, everyone, the jews are cheering us on. Keep fighting with each other! Keep yourselves too occupied to do anything about any real problem! Oy veh, how entertaining it is!
Ruffin
2003-07-09 13:23 | User Profile
General, your opinion on the subject is my opinion on the subject. Thanks.
Wayland
2003-07-09 13:46 | User Profile
Originally posted by wintermute@Jul 8 2003, 23:57 * > *StormFront is the premier pro-White web site IN THE WORLD but it's typical of a Linderite to try and discredit it. **
StormFront is the numerically premier pro-White web site in the World.
As to the premier pro-White site, you're soaking in it.**
Yes, numerically, as opposed to your more important criteria of... what?
Linder's fully deserved crowing at raising 70+ grand for the Doles fund is some hard empirical evidence that they're doing something right over there. And good on them, I say. The much ballyhood "real world" is changing because of their actions, which is a positive example for all of us.
Oh, man, talk about soaking in it, your Linder-bile saturation rate just went off the meter.
So according to you and Alex, raising the money for the Chester Doles defence fund was a VNN achievement rather than an achievement of the pro-White community at large? I think the facts speak to something different. From K.A. Strom's [url=http://www.natvan.com/pub/062103.txt]article at Natvan.com[/url]:
The National Alliance has continuously, from the very beginning, in all our media, encouraged everyone to support the just struggle of this good man[Chester Doles]. The Goy Genius Challenge is the result of a National Alliance member putting himself on the line to encourage others to help the Doles family. Most of the support for the Chester Doles Legal Defense Fund has been from Alliance members or as a result of Alliance publicity or at Alliance Local Unit meetings. Obtaining the services of the Marger firm at more than $100,000 off the normal fee was the act of a leading Alliance member, an act that is making everything else possible. Don't let the disinformation agents fool you.
But it doesn't surprise me to hear that Linder has moved in to take the credit for himself while at the same time supporting the bashing of the NA leadership throughout the campaign.
Many of you Linderphobes may have missed it, as you do not pore over the Master's words every day as I do, but part of his congratulatory speech included the phrase "I see VNN growing along the lines of" . . . wait for it . . . "OD" (which is the site you are on, if you hadn't noticed). I think this marks an official peace offering complete with olive branch to our own Dear Leader, Mr. Texas Dissident.
I'm guessing that Tex doesn't follow day to day operations at VNN, so in my function as Ambassador-at-large between all the WN duchies, I provide the quote now. The outstanding quality of this site was explicitly cited, complete with namecheck, during a moment of celebration at Linder's site: we, but more importantly, Tex, was singled out as an example of excellence, and a model for emulation. In the three way StormFront/ FreeRepublic/ OriginalDissent clusterfrack, OD is given top honors:
VNN tips the hat to Stormfront, and Don Black's groundbreaking work. If we were aiming at a forum, it would be Free Republic. We aren't. Not really, because the lemmings be with us always, and they will naturally flock to a place that shits on anything running against the Going Line. We do hope to pick up thousands of folks whose mentality can accommodate a wider discussion than FR will allow. I believe a clean forum, defined as one in which conservatives and racists (and liberals, etc) do battle on equal terms, can convert many of their readers. I hope our forum will evolve along the lines of Original Dissent, with VNN's with more of a racist bias, as well as productive discussions of VNN material.
Hear that folks? A clean forum. So I think our good manners are paying off. Everyone should remain on their best behavior. **
We need to remain on our best behaviour so we can stay in the Master's good books. Ok, got it. Don't drink the koolaid wintermute.
Wayland
2003-07-09 13:55 | User Profile
Originally posted by il ragno@Jul 8 2003, 22:44 * Well, I'm Italian and Greek; I don't think I'd be too welcome at Stormfront, regardless of how preeminent it is.*
You would absolutely be welcomed at StormFront by Don Black and the moderators. But if you wanted to get in to a fight there with the few Nordicist types who love to obsess on the excruciating minutiae of racial purity I'm sure they would also be happy to accommodate you.
Alex's error is in dividing his feedback between a forum AND a letters page.
Alex Linder's error is in relentlessly attacking the [u]enemies[/u] of ZOG. As long as he keeps this up his motives and integrity deserve to be questioned.
Robbie
2003-07-09 15:22 | User Profile
Originally posted by Wayland+Jul 9 2003, 13:55 -->
QUOTE (Wayland @ Jul 9 2003, 13:55 ) <!--QuoteBegin-il ragno@Jul 8 2003, 22:44 * Well, I'm Italian and Greek; I don't think I'd be too welcome at Stormfront, regardless of how preeminent it is.* You would absolutely be welcomed at StormFront by Don Black and the moderators. But if you wanted to get in to a fight there with the few Nordicist types who love to obsess on the excruciating minutiae of racial purity I'm sure they would also be happy to accommodate you. **
Yeah, I'd be welcomed there if I were Italian/Greek, only to be thwarted by posters' doubts of my Whiteness. Apparently, all White people must be of 100% Germanic/Celtic strain to the a large number of SFers. Darker skin, larger nose might scare some of them, know what I'm saying??
Hugh Lincoln
2003-07-09 22:25 | User Profile
For what it's worth, today they're talking about black/White ear size differences on the AR e-list. On VDARE, Robert Locke is supporting the right of Jews in Israel to physically remove Arabs from the premises, but mentioning nothing abou the White Gentile right of same. And here on ol' OD, we're on post 28 of thread 682 on whether VNN is a good thing or a bad thing.
I like Linder's rejoinder when the sophomoric complaints roll in: Thus far, NOBODY'S approach has worked. Until something does, keep your criticisms coming but keep them in perspective.
il ragno
2003-07-10 01:59 | User Profile
The laugh would be on them. It's little noted but northern Italians (my buckle of the Boot) are ridiculously white. I'm blue-eyed, fair-skinned, light brown hair, aquiline nose; pretty obvious my people were sitting up in the opera boxes watching the ravaging Moor making little Dean Martins down Sicily way, way back when.
On the other hand, that buckle is close enough to the Yugoslav border to boil a new kettle of unterfish. Or are Slavs considered 'white' at Stormfront these days?
Edana
2003-07-10 04:19 | User Profile
Slavs are considered White at SF.
Walter Yannis
2003-07-10 06:01 | User Profile
*Originally posted by il ragno@Jul 10 2003, 01:59 * ** The laugh would be on them. It's little noted but northern Italians (my buckle of the Boot) are ridiculously white. I'm blue-eyed, fair-skinned, light brown hair, aquiline nose; pretty obvious my people were sitting up in the opera boxes watching the ravaging Moor making little Dean Martins down Sicily way, way back when.
On the other hand, that buckle is close enough to the Yugoslav border to boil a new kettle of unterfish. Or are Slavs considered 'white' at Stormfront these days? **
I have a good friend from Milan - he's a jolly Nordic with light hair and blue eyes, but with a radiating Mediterranean warmth that is generally absent in Swedes.
Always laughing, always positive, always working hard, and when he's not working he's in his kitchen cooking up garlic stuff that I don't understand. Love the guy. And his entire family is like that.
What a great combination of North and South. Too bad the Italians quit reproducing (although my friend has two kids).
They'll be sorely missed.
Walter
Dan Dare
2003-08-02 06:47 | User Profile
For an interesting insight into Italian life, and how it differs quite radically and unexpectantly from NW European and American stereotypical assumptions, I would recommend any of Tim Parks' commentaries.
For football/soccer fans, his 'A season with Verona' is particularly good.
As a starter for general interest try 'An Italian Education'
Tim Parks is an English writer married to an Italian lady and resident in Italy since the early 80s.
His books have been in the Amazon UK GBP 3.99 sale and may still be so.
FadeTheButcher
2003-08-02 06:51 | User Profile
I got bored debating the Nordicists over there. They are just like the Afrocentrists.
friedrich braun
2003-08-16 00:44 | User Profile
The only Nordicist on SF that springs to mind is NordicPower88, and she always gets slapped down when she goes of the rails; an example:
[url=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=81194]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=81194[/url]
Greeks and Italians are considered White on SF; however, the fact remains that Germanic Nordics are "top-dog" in the WN movement, and that will always be so. The moderators know this well and tend to show tolerance (and even deference) towards their musings on race, etc -- as long as the said Germanic Nordics stay within the bounds of reason, good taste, and cordiality.
NeoNietzsche
2003-08-16 01:30 | User Profile
Originally posted by rban@Jul 23 2003, 11:48 * They will bow to me.*
Two feet tall and a pipsqueak voice, eh?