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Thread ID: 7978 | Posts: 17 | Started: 2003-07-08
2003-07-08 12:54 | User Profile
No explanation needed here, just read and wonder......
[SIZE=3]Cubs manager Baker 'meant what he said'[/SIZE]
Associated Press
CHICAGO -- Cubs manager Dusty Baker didn't back down Monday when asked about his recent comments that black and Latin players were better suited to play in the heat than white players.
"I meant what I said. ... I try to be as honest as possible, and if that's how I feel, then that's how I feel.'' he told reporters before Monday's game, a 6-3 win by the Cubs over Florida.
On Saturday, in another pregame talk with reporters, Baker said: "We were brought over here for the heat. Isn't that history? Your skin color is more conducive to heat than it is to the lighter-skinned people. I don't see brothers running around burnt.''
Those comments have since prompted debate on radio shows and in newspaper columns across the country.
"It doesn't really matter to me because that's what I said. I'm not going to take it back,'' Baker said. "What I said to you guys is what I said to my team. I told my other teammates this a long time ago, too. When we talk about how hot it is, I told them that's why my ancestors were brought over here, for that reason, and that's history.
"My mother was a black-American history teacher in Sacramento,'' he said. "... A lot of people don't know history, that's what it sounds like to me. If they take it as reverse racism ... then they can take it wherever they want to take it.''
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[SIZE=3]Baker: Black, Hispanic players hold up better in heat[/SIZE]
ESPN.com news services
CHICAGO -- Dusty Baker has already warmed up to the idea of having to manage all those dog-days-of-summer afternoon games at Wrigley Field. He can't change the schedule, and being a California native and former player, he was accustomed to long days in the outfield sun.
But did he spend too much time in it?
Baker, in his first year as Cubs manager, delved into heat and skin color when talking to reporters Saturday, saying black and Hispanic players hold up better under the summer sun and heat.
"It's easier for most Latin guys and it's easier for most minority people because most of us come from heat. You don't find too many brothers in New Hampshire and Maine and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Right?" he said with a chuckle.
"We were brought over here for the heat, right? Isn't that history? Weren't we brought over because we could take the heat?"
"Your skin color is more conducive to heat than it is to the lighter-skinned people. I don't see brothers running around burnt," Baker said before the Cubs beat St. Louis at Wrigley. "That's a fact. I'm not making this up. I'm not seeing some brothers walking around with some white stuff on their ears and noses."
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
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2003-07-08 14:28 | User Profile
The observation is true. But watch. He won't be fired like Jimmy the Greek.
2003-07-08 14:39 | User Profile
I don't doubt that what he said is true... but I've always wondered... wouldn't someone with dark skin suffer MORE in the heat?... why wouldn't a lighter hued skin reflect heat better?
2003-07-08 14:45 | User Profile
I think what he said was incompetent and false. Major League Baseball didn't accept negroes until the mid '50's. Many of the greatest players in baseball history were active before that time and were, of course, White. Even after negro acceptance into the Bigs, many of the greatest players were White. I disagree with his statement and I think he's an arrogant nigra who's had too much of a good thing. Just note how he relates to his "brothers" on the field and that tells you everything. Of course, needless to say, he won't be fired or anything like that....that's exclusively held for Whites who realize race makes a difference.
2003-07-08 19:02 | User Profile
If I remember correctly, the week Jimmy the Greek died the NFL draft was held. Of 30 something first-round picks all but 5 were black. Jimmy was not fired because he lied, but because he told the truth. The Jews of New York, the crying consciences of America, sacrificed him to appease their gods. Perhaps, the time has come for our gods to be appeased.
2003-07-08 19:09 | User Profile
Well, gee, dogs are better at fetching than we are, and horses are bred to run faster and longer.
But we don't let them vote or breed with white women. Yet.
2003-07-09 09:43 | User Profile
This brillo is right that brillos can take the heat better than Whitey in that they don't burn like we do (I, for example, cannot tan - only burn), and I'd always assumed they could withstand higher temperatures more easily as well. But in their attempt to show us why Baker was Wrong, Dead Wrong and to discourage future sports figures (White ones, above all) from openly speaking their minds on racial matters, ESPN mentioned a study which concluded that nigras die of heat stroke more than any other race.
Maybe the same black hide that protects against sunburn & skin cancer also heats internal organs like crap in a compost barrel.
BTW: ESPN did a poll asking viewers if they were "offended" by Baker's bleatings: over 67% said "no".
2003-07-09 16:35 | User Profile
Steve Sailer's take on the affair is, typically, informative:
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The great Dusty Baker controversy: He can stand the heat and he won't get out of the kitchen! The Cubs manager, recently voted by players in a Sports Illustrated poll as the best manager in the game, said regarding July day games: "It's easier for most Latin guys and it's easier for most minority people because most of us come from heat," Baker said. "You don't find too many brothers in New Hampshire and Maine and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. ... We were brought over here for the heat, right? Isn't that history? Weren't we brought over because we could take the heat?"
Personally, having shivered through a number of frigid April and May games at Wrigley Field as the wind whipped off icy Lake Michigan, I think Dusty should keep some Eskimos on the team for those early season games.
More seriously, he's not too far off. In lower latitude regions all around the world, you can find examples of blacks living primarily in the hot lowlands while whites (or Indians or Asians) tended to settle in the cooler highlands: the Carolinas, the Andean countries of northeast South America, and Yemen and the Red Sea coast of Arabia. Africans live in the lowlands of Madagascar while the people in the highlands are mostly from Southeast Asia.
The biggest difference was disease-resistance. Before antibiotics, whites tended to die of fevers in hot climates, while blacks suffered brutally from respiratory ailments in cold climates. The high death rate among slaves in Boston is one reason slavery faded out in the late 18th Century North. (Other races have similar boundaries. For example, in Nepal there's a sharp racial border at around 5,000 feet. Mongoloid Tibetans like the Sherpas won't venture into the Caucasian lowlands for fear of malaria.) Fortunately, that's less important now.
Not surprisingly, lots of visual differences in people stem from Darwinian adaptations to climate. Skin color correlates reasonably but hardly perfectly with intensity of sunshine. The big hooked noses of desert Arabs are an adaptation to breathing low humidity air. All this stuff was studied intensely before about 1965, but this vast body of knowledge has been tossed down the memory hole since then. As you can see from the hard time Baker is being given, although we're supposed to celebrate diversity, we're not supposed to notice it.
So, what about blacks and hot, humid day games? The great anthropologist Carlton Coon wrote in 1965: "Comparative physiological studies of Negroes and whites have show than Negroes surpass the whites in tolerance of damp heat but are more vulnerable both to dry heat and to cold." According to Coon, blacks are less vulnerable to heatstroke in humid climates. U.S. military studies in Alaska confirmed Korean War findings that blacks are, not surprisingly, more prone to frostbite.
Anyway, baseball managers have access to vast amounts of data on the individual performances of players, so they can afford to determine which of their players do best in different kinds of weather on an individual basis.
2003-07-10 03:52 | User Profile
To my knowledge the only athlete to have died of heatstroke/prolonged exposure to heat is Korey Stringer.
Records of white centerfielders fainting in Sunday doubleheaders prior to the breaking of the color line seem not to exist, for some odd reason.
2003-07-11 02:34 | User Profile
It's actually easier to become acclimated to heat than to cold. Blacks do die from heatstroke more often than other races, but they also have more heart/cardiovascular problems anyway, so it may be related, eh? I think it's much-a-do about nothing. I do know enough about baseball to be able to point out that baseball teams that are mostlly black don't win championships very often if at all. Maybe Baker wants to discourage whites from the sport, in that everyone is in an uproar over the decline in the number of "African American" players in baseball. I doubt the media was so concerned over the decline of the number of whites in the NBA.
2003-07-11 04:17 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Roy Batty@Jul 11 2003, 02:34 * ** in that everyone is in an uproar over the decline in the number of "African American" players in baseball. **
Actually, the only time the Media dredges that line up is when it deals with the "board". It's too White, you know.
As for the lack of Whites in the NBA, that would have been a good storyline to use say 5-10 years ago, but with the current crop of European-based players coming into the ranks, there could be some consolation in that respect. Of course, the "brothas" hate it; I'm reminded of that "Source Sports" magazine with the byline on the front cover that read "Euro Trash Enters The NBA" (paraphrasing) some years back.
2003-07-11 04:30 | User Profile
Happened to be watching ESPN yesterday [a rarity for me] and more than a few b-ball coaches interviewed at summer workout camps warned/promised that the coming crop of white Euro players were going to set the new standards in hoops excellence.
Why is this? Oldest story in the book. Attention to fundamentals, unselfish play, and better shooting habits.
When that happens - apparently it's gonna be any day now - the question will be: are white American sports fans/couch potatoes so degraded with race-treason they'll lose interest in basketball once their beloved porch monkeys get pantsed down to second best? Will they be encouraged to cheer on Negro intimidation tactics and dirty play against their white betters? (Since we already know any white player who refuses to back down and returns fire measure-for-measure will be vilified as Bull Connor in short pants.....and blacks don't do the classy-in-defeat thing at all.... let alone well.)
2003-07-11 04:45 | User Profile
Il Ragno- no need to be so pessimistic. Geez, everyone I know- and I am not talking about people who would be inclined to post at OD, I am talking about Mr. Sixpack and Ms. Soccermom, are pleased as punch about the 'changing face' of the NBA. Watch the rating skyrocket. Hell, Mlicic is going to make a Pistons fan out of me and I once vowed NEVER to root for a Detroit team in any sport. ;)
2003-07-11 06:08 | User Profile
Originally posted by Robbie+Jul 10 2003, 20:17 -->
QUOTE* (Robbie @ Jul 10 2003, 20:17 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Roy Batty@Jul 11 2003, 02:34 * ** in that everyone is in an uproar over the decline in the number of "African American" players in baseball. ** Actually, the only time the Media dredges that line up is when it deals with the "board". It's too White, you know.
As for the lack of Whites in the NBA, that would have been a good storyline to use say 5-10 years ago, but with the current crop of European-based players coming into the ranks, there could be some consolation in that respect. Of course, the "brothas" hate it; I'm reminded of that "Source Sports" magazine with the byline on the front cover that read "Euro Trash Enters The NBA" (paraphrasing) some years back. **
Oh yeah, I know you're right - that's why I was talking about the NBA in the past tense. The media relished the influx of blacks.
Il Ragno mentions the Europeans coming into the NBA, and while I didn't see the ESPN piece, last night I did see the segment on that topic that Bob Costas devoted to it during his HBO show. I was surprised that John Thompson (Georgetown coach, he's black) said this was a wake up call to American blacks. Thompson also went on to talk about how today's black players lack discipline, basic fundamentals, can't shoot, walk, travel, don't listen to coaches, you name it. He said he can't coach most of today's players, and that the "Americans" gear their game to what they see on the highlights during the evening news. He said he thought the league would be at least 50% European in the next few years. (The Europeans were amusing, pointing out how all the Americans travel, double dribble, and that European teams can no longer afford to take chances on American players, as their skills are so poor) Some of this also shows how psyched out American whites are. The only weakness the Euros had, they said, was in individual defense, as the Euros practice team defensive tactics. Interesting as heck for me, as I don't know a Hell of a lot about the NBA.
The best part of the segment was the tape from last year's world championships, showing "our" NBA stars finishing sixth (!) losing to Spain, Argentina, Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia won the title. The reaction shots of black players screaming, throwing tantrums, kicking chairs etc. are priceless. The NBA players looked positively inept when having to actually play by the rules, trying to cover players who can shoot, run, fake and have more endurance. Hilarious.
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2003-07-11 07:10 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Hugh Lincoln@Jul 8 2003, 08:28 * ** The observation is true. **
Very true. How many Negro swimmers are there? Not many at all - but if you make a comment that negros aren't good swimmers - you will be hanged by the media.
il ragno
2003-07-11 08:12 | User Profile
**The only weakness the Euros had, they said, was in individual defense, as the Euros practice team defensive tactics. Interesting as heck for me, as I don't know a Hell of a lot about the NBA. **
Roy, my sports-fanatic days are behind me (excepting the NFL for some reason) but fundamentals are forever. Disciplined team defense wins championships. Always did and always will. The only reason this isn't currently self evident is - well, you know. "Gots to git mines." While Chamberlain was racking up those scoring titles, Boston was hanging all the banners. I can even remember when the Celtic philosophy was actually called whiteball by fans. And, yeah, Bill Russell was certainly black but no one of his tribe adapted to whiteball better.
N.B. Forrest
2003-07-11 13:27 | User Profile
I watched that world championship with great relish. Seeing those enraged brillos getting their asses whupped by teams of Whiteys was a real howler. The question is: why don't we see similar success for White American players? I believe a lot of the blame goes to nigra-lovin' race traitor coaches. Thanks to them, talented Whites just don't get the chance to play in this country. Since there are so few examples of star players that look like them, Whites have become demoralized, thinking themselves physically inferior. So they just swill cheap beer as they watch the cornrowed "superstars" on their jew tubes. It's a self-perpetuating thing.
Hopefully the Euro Invasion will show them that far from being inferior, the White man can beat the nigra at literally anything - even at the game they've heretofore considered the ultimate showcase for their "superiority" over the hated crackas.