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Eendracht Maakt Mag [OP]

2003-07-06 05:05 | User Profile

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Thoughts?

Drakmal

2003-07-06 06:22 | User Profile

The "Kosher Racialist" category sounds like it was written specifically to describe Ares. B)

Zvaci

2003-07-06 17:03 | User Profile

Lets see...

for "Kosher Conservatives" - Rat medal of first class :dung:

for "Kosher Racialist" -Bronze medal for rat infiltration merits :dung:

for " Nordicists" -Golden medal of stupidity with pink ribbon of Scandinavian gay society :wub:

for "Legion Europa" -KNIGHT'S CROSS WITH SWORDS AND OAK LEAFS ! :punk:

Zvaci

2003-07-06 17:51 | User Profile

Originally posted by Leland Gaunt+Jul 6 2003, 11:14 -->

QUOTE* (Leland Gaunt @ Jul 6 2003, 11:14 )

<!--QuoteBegin-Zvaci@Jul 6 2003, 11:03 * ** Lets see... for  " Nordicists"                   -Golden medal of stupidity with pink ribbon of Scandinavian gay society  :wub: ** LOL [danish accent] You baaaad boy! How dare you insult us superior nordic beings! I will throw fluffy cotton balls upon you, you southern savage. pooooh![/danish accent] ** Together with my warm Borreby blood brothers with me (and underneath me) I shall come with the longboat and knock on your doors with the nordish rubber dildo after I consume some ancestral corpses from the dark Hallstadt graveyard :lol: madrussian 2003-07-06 18:02 | User Profile The first two groups are pretty good at pegging the pretend kahnservatives of the Freak Republik and AmRen kind, respectively. First, you must identify the enemy and their methods (and come up with a good name) :lol: Alka 2003-07-06 18:13 | User Profile Excellent link, thanks for sharing. I'd fall into the Legion Europa section personally. The first two are all to familiar with pseudo-racialists. The 'Nordic' is simply an egotistical buffoon. Eendracht Maakt Mag 2003-07-07 23:42 | User Profile *Originally posted by Drakmal@Jul 6 2003, 00:22 * ** The "Kosher Racialist" category sounds like it was written specifically to describe Ares. B) ** My thoughts exactly :P Conservative 2003-07-08 00:21 | User Profile Originally posted by Prodigal Son+Jul 7 2003, 17:42 --> QUOTE* (Prodigal Son @ Jul 7 2003, 17:42 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Drakmal@Jul 6 2003, 00:22 * ** The "Kosher Racialist" category sounds like it was written specifically to describe Ares. B) ** My thoughts exactly :P ** This is what I mean by American Renaissance being more empirical than OD. Technically, my posts show criticism of Jewish activity, yet many members here are more driven by sentiment and as such don't see the conspicuous "anti-Semetism" in my posts. As such, I am not a "Kosher racialist." Regards, Ares Eendracht Maakt Mag 2003-07-08 22:16 | User Profile *Originally posted by Ares@Jul 7 2003, 18:21 * ** This is what I mean by American Renaissance being more empirical than OD.  Technically, my posts show criticism of Jewish activity, yet many members here are more driven by sentiment and as such don't see the  conspicuous "anti-Semetism" in my posts.  As such, I am not a "Kosher racialist." Regards, Ares ** LOL. ****From:à ¡  "[color=red]ares[/color]746" ares9632@h... Date:à ¡ Wed Jun 18, 2003à ¡ 1:57 pm Subject:à ¡ Judeo-White Nationalism à ¡ Why not the introduction of the word "Judeo-White Nationalism" to let people know AR is not anti-Semetic but rather supports a joint Jewish/White effort to preserve both people, including Israel? I think the membership here would soar is this were done. Judeo- Christianity and Judeo-White Nationalism can go hand in hand. Any comments? Regards, Dan ** ** [url=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arlist/message/3879]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arlist/message/3879[/url] Critical of the Jews, indeed :lol: Conservative 2003-07-08 22:26 | User Profile *Originally posted by Prodigal Son@Jul 8 2003, 16:16 * ** Why not the introduction of the word "Judeo-White Nationalism" to let people know AR is not anti-Semetic but rather supports a joint Jewish/White effort to preserve both people, including Israel? I think the membership here would soar is this were done. Judeo- Christianity and Judeo-White Nationalism can go hand in hand. Any comments? ** Correct. Since AR supports the version of White Nationalism that accepts Jews, I suggested that they make their beliefs more conspicuous by altering their name. So, how does this show that I am not critical of Jews? Regards, Ares Eendracht Maakt Mag 2003-07-10 05:13 | User Profile Originally posted by Zvaci@Jul 6 2003, 11:51 * ** Together with my warm Borreby blood brothers with me (and underneath me) I shall come with the longboat and knock on your doors with the nordish rubber dildo after I consume some ancestral corpses from the dark Hallstadt graveyard  :lol:* [danish accent + lisp]Ja, ja, ja! Bow before me! I am Jarl, teh Mighty Nordish Viking! Now bend over so I can use my "Corded-ware" to make a Tronder out of you! Better yet, I can make you into a Bruenn if you "polish my Battle-Axe." :naughty: :naughty:[/danish accent + lisp] Zvaci 2003-07-11 22:58 | User Profile Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!! :taz: You wana disrespect me and my boyfriends :wub: and judge the way I live and you don't even know me! If you hurt my feeeeeeeeeeeelings or I shall run naked threw the Nordic land of Niflheim and my mighty hallstadt butt shall shine like the moon in the dark forest :naughty: Or at least recite you my tender poetry: "Six feats underground we shall eat, corpses to exhume, human flesh to consume!" :clown: Roy Batty 2003-07-12 19:26 | User Profile Originally posted by Ares+Jul 7 2003, 16:21 --> QUOTE (Ares @ Jul 7 2003, 16:21 ) QUOTE* (Prodigal Son @ Jul 7 2003, 17:42 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Drakmal@Jul 6 2003, 00:22 * ** The "Kosher Racialist" category sounds like it was written specifically to describe Ares. B) ** My thoughts exactly :P ** This is what I mean by American Renaissance being more empirical than OD. Technically, my posts show criticism of Jewish activity, yet many members here are more driven by sentiment and as such don't see the conspicuous "anti-Semetism" in my posts. As such, I am not a "Kosher racialist." Regards, Ares ** Yeah. Sure. :y Dan Dare 2003-07-16 19:26 | User Profile It's not quite clear how the Scandinavian Homo jibes have any relevance in this thread. Readers of the Occidental Quarterly will be aware of the debate between Richard McCulloch and Michael Rienzi. Rienzi's table only serves to underline his pique at McCulloch's continuing insistence on phenotype as a legitimate marker of racial identity. Empirical observation confirms the presence of Nordish and Mediterranid phenotypes, with a broad intermediate buffer zone. It seems to me that there is a valid case for a Nordish racial subgroup within the European family, and that Rienzi's attempted putdown is rather silly. If you place your drawing compass on the Dogger Bank, and draw 500 km concentric circles the indigenous population within each band will demonstrate remarkably similar physical (and actually cultural) characteristics. At the same time the societies in Band 1 (the constitutional monarchies around the North Sea) are markedly different from the societies bordering the eastern Mediterranean, and there is no reason why the two should be hitched together in some kind of pan-European wagon train. Just because Rienzi doesn't qualify for membership in what he plainly views as a more desirable club doesn't mean that the club shouldn't exist. Dan Dare 2003-07-17 00:22 | User Profile WM - the basis for my complaint is Rienzi's juvenile dissing of McCulloch's basic proposition viz. Nordish phenotypes are rare and recessive, and deserving of special attention. It isn't building a case for a Grossnordland or any other such nonsense. Zvaci 2003-07-17 00:33 | User Profile It's not quite clear how the Scandinavian Homo jibes have any relevance in this thread. It psychosocially illustrates profile and motives of the Nordishists well. Rienzi's table only serves to underline his pique at McCulloch's continuing insistence on phenotype as a legitimate marker of racial identity. We are on the doorstep of discovering entire human gene map, while fetishists are still bowing to the nasal index :lol: Don't you think its a primitive form of racialism to draw serious scientific conclusions from 19 century anatomists on which McCulloch's work is based? Trust in the revelations on the technological level of sergeant scalpel and ignore the existence of electronic microscope if you like ! I don't have any problems with someone right to believe that the earth is flat, but I hold my right to oppose it. I think Rienzi has debunked McCulloch's agenda quite well, but since McCulloch is more an ideological propagandist in nature, so its impossible to stop him with arguments of science : [url=http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol2no2/mr-teg.html]http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol2no2/mr-teg.html[/url] Empirical observation confirms the presence of Nordish and Mediterranid phenotypes, with a broad intermediate buffer zone. No it does not, it confirms only prerecorded images . When I observed some Sicilians I found many of them morphologically Nordish - quite opposite to the stereotype of short and tanned 'Goumbas' from Hollywood movies. Phenotype is total scientific (or political) nonstarter. **It seems to me that there is a valid case for a Nordish racial subgroup within the European family, and that Rienzi's attempted putdown is rather silly. ** European family has its nations as political and moral reality - not subraces. Here is a simple case: I always put my vote for the president or politician that suits my interests - not the haircollor :rolleyes: In the hypothetical circumstance of war I would not hesitate one second to take life from phenotipically identical enemy as my self in order to save the life of my fhenotipically distant comrade. Uniform is the strongest 'subrace' there is! and there is no reason why the two should be hitched together in some kind of pan-European wagon train. Quite right, It would only made British influence on continental politics stronger than it is already. I oppose pan European integration and support national subjectivity and interests. In that sense I also support national cooperation on regional level if it does not harm reson d'etat Just because Rienzi doesn't qualify for membership in what he plainly views as a more desirable club doesn't mean that the club shouldn't exist. I have not noticed that tensions in his work, please enlighten me on this one? Why would he found North European 'club' as more desirable than lets say Central European 'club' with rich cultural heritage, history and highly developed industrial areas like South Germany, North Italy or Switzerland ? :rolleyes: Dan Dare 2003-07-17 20:16 | User Profile **It psychosocially illustrates profile and motives of the Nordishists well. ** It being the jibes I objected to. Do you have a source for your assertion? **Uniform is the strongest 'subrace' there is! ** Your leanings in that area are quite apparent. **When I observed some Sicilians I found many of them morphologically Nordish ** Hmm was this on the beach? I find little need for scalpel or electron microscope to tell whether I am in Scotland or Croatia. I have not noticed that tensions in his work, please enlighten me on this one? Why would he found North European 'club' as more desirable than lets say Central European 'club' with rich cultural heritage, history and highly developed industrial areas like South Germany, North Italy or Switzerland ? Perhaps I misinterpreted his more exuberant protestations as concern at being bracketed with Afro-Asiatics. If so, I stand corrected. And btw a more careful reading of McCulloch's proposition will reveal that he spreads the rather wide in his definition of Nordish, to include much of the indigenous populations of the areas you list. Eendracht Maakt Mag 2003-07-17 21:38 | User Profile Originally posted by Dan Dare@Jul 16 2003, 13:26 * It's not quite clear how the Scandinavian Homo jibes have any relevance in this thread.* It's an inside joke Dan. If you ever visit AryanDawn forums and get to know the owner of the forume, you'll understand what we are talking about. Readers of the Occidental Quarterly will be aware of the debate between Richard McCulloch and Michael Rienzi. Rienzi's table only serves to underline his pique at McCulloch's continuing insistence on phenotype as a legitimate marker of racial identity. Empirical observation confirms the presence of Nordish and Mediterranid phenotypes, with a broad intermediate buffer zone. There are several major problems with phenotype serving as a "legitimate marker of racial identity." Some mullattoes and many half-Asian hybrids can have a totally "Nordish" phenotype (the fact that no anthropologist has recognized or ever will recognize McCulloch's nonexistent "Nordish" race" notwithstanding). Moreover, there is no such thing as "phenotype identity. Nationalists do not think of themselves as Hallstatts, Borrebies, Bruenns, etc..-they think of themselves as Swedes, Germans, Frenchmen, Russians, White Americans, etc... It seems to me that there is a valid case for a Nordish racial subgroup within the European family, and that Rienzi's attempted putdown is rather silly. There is no "Nordish" subgroup. No anthropologist or geneticst has recognized one, or ever will for the sheer fact that it exists nowhere but in McCulloch's imagination. At the same time the societies in Band 1 (the constitutional monarchies around the North Sea) are markedly different from the societies bordering the eastern Mediterranean, and there is no reason why the two should be hitched together in some kind of pan-European wagon train. Just because Rienzi doesn't qualify for membership in what he plainly views as a more desirable club doesn't mean that the club shouldn't exist. I don't believe in pan-Europeanism either. However, the Europid population of America comes from a variety of sources-subdiving it even further into "Nordish" (sic) and "non-Nordish" will simply weaken whatever momentum White Nationalism has in America. Zvaci 2003-07-18 21:05 | User Profile I find little need for scalpel or electron microscope to tell whether I am in Scotland or Croatia. Naturally, it only proves my claim that nation is the only thing that matters in Europe. You are complete foreigners in my eyes. The phenotype is here completely irrelevant. Even in cases of similar appearance, Croat gene pool is the blend of Illyrians and Slavs while you are some sort of Pict - Anglo Saxon. Race is about blood not looks ! Like Prodigal said it's different in America where we all constitute "White Americans". And btw a more careful reading of McCulloch's proposition will reveal that he spreads the rather wide in his definition of Nordish, to include much of the indigenous populations of the areas you list. He is identifying blonde and blue eyed individuals with nordic (or "Nordish"). Its so laical, and anybody who studied Coon more closelly can agree with me that McCulloch's term "Nordish" is idiotic. Even some person who is metrically and morphologically Arabid (non-European Caucasian) or non-Nordic Alpine, or Dinaric for instance can posses this qualities. I have forinstance reddish blond hair and blue-eyes, but I do not consider my self "Nordish" because it would suggest that I have related ancestry with Danes or English - which I don't! McCulloch is directed to the Nordic wannabe audience used by inner circle. ROFL How pathetic all this seduced kids are, bowing to "Nordic supremacy" of degenerated pederasts grown up in liberal matriarchal society. They should know that even a pig, a dog or a cow can have blue eyes. If I was on their place I would find patriarchal and strict dinaric features of some Roman senator far more "noble" to look after than to the triviality of red haired orangutan. Eendracht Maakt Mag 2003-07-19 05:43 | User Profile *Originally posted by Alka@Jul 6 2003, 12:13 * ** Excellent link, thanks for sharing. I'd fall into the Legion Europa section personally. ** I am also closest to the Legion Europa section, but i disagree with them on several key issues. First and foremost, I do not believe in "pan-Europeanism"; the peoples of Europe are two diverse racially and culturally to be considered a single entity. Some, like the Muslim Albanians, fall outside the cultural sphere of Europe, and cannot, due to this, be considered Europeans. However, pan-Aryan White Nationalism makes perfect sense in the USA, Canada, Southern Brazil and other areas where the Europid population comes from various areas of Europe. I also do not put much trust into genetic testing; its a new development and not very accurate. Recently, I've heard of a case where AncestrybyDNA somehow deduced that a (supposedly) white child had more Mongoloid ancestry that both his parents combined. Furthrmore, I don't much care if someone who self-identifies as white and works to advance white interests has a Lappish or Tatar great-great-grandfather. I used to be into McCulloch's Nordishism, until he started attacking me and urging the moderators to ban me on a certain mailing list, just because I pointed out a few major flaws in his ideology. Afterwards, I became even more aware of the defects and discrepancies in it, and abandoned it altogether. friedrich braun 2003-08-05 04:28 | User Profile Originally posted by Ares+Jul 7 2003, 18:21 --> QUOTE (Ares @ Jul 7 2003, 18:21 ) QUOTE* (Prodigal Son @ Jul 7 2003, 17:42 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Drakmal@Jul 6 2003, 00:22 * ** The "Kosher Racialist" category sounds like it was written specifically to describe Ares. B) ** My thoughts exactly :P ** This is what I mean by American Renaissance being more empirical than OD. Technically, my posts show criticism of Jewish activity, yet many members here are more driven by sentiment and as such don't see the conspicuous "anti-Semetism" in my posts. As such, I am not a "Kosher racialist." Regards, Ares ** Ares: Are you trying to have the word "empirical" appear in all of your posts? triskelion 2003-08-05 04:47 | User Profile I have always liked legion europa and the writings of M.X. Rienzi. However, one that I never liked was the constant harping on the "Nordish" matter. Being a long time activist in racial politcs in Northern Europa I can safely say that I I not once ever met someone that thinks non Noridcs are not European or would wish to to non Nordic nations overwhelmed with racial aliens. As best as I can tell, such insane notions are found on the fringes of the very marginal American racial scene and no where else so it seems very odd to make such a big deal about such people. As for Pan Europeanism I am very much in favour of that for the simple reason that Occidentals world wide are facing simelar threats and we simply don't have the option of fratracide any longer. Pan Europeanism does not mean a need for some over arching state like authority as that would contrary to the genuine diversity that is the heart of any real nationalism. Rather, it refers to an understanding that Occidentals need assist each other's nations to resist alien conquest as happend at the Battle of Lechfeld and the example of Otto the Great. It means understanding the richness and diversity of the 100 nations of Europa and a love the valid expressions of Occidental man and the societies he created outside of mother Europe and a desire to preserve those rich differances. It is a spirit with profoundly practical consiquences rather then a system of goverance or a trade regime as those things more often then not weaken Europa. Dan Dare 2003-08-05 05:37 | User Profile **As for Pan Europeanism I am very much in favour of that ** Triskelion, my friend, we are all in favour, it's like the Americans with mothers and apple pie. Who could be against it? But as a practical matter is there really such an animal? From Galway to the Urals, and Trondheim to the Bosphorus the diversity is overwhelming. It is surely not surprising that Danes feel a greater affinity with Norwegians, and Englishmen with Dutchmen than any of them do for Bulgars or Moldovans. My problem with the pan-Europeanism platform is that we seem to getting way ahead of our headlights. Is it not more sensible for us to focus in the short and medium term on growing our local and regional community and ethnic based polities rather than grappling with a pan-European construct given the complexity of the vectors involved. I am not saying that pan-europeanism should not be the goal, but would propose that a first priority is to return our (Nordic) house to some semblance of order before attempting to set the world to rights. By that I mean, let us put our efforts into seeding and growing nationalist politics in NW Europe that can later provide a model and template for challenges further afield (not excluding North America). It seems to me that the communities surrounding the North Sea are uniquely placed to take a leadership role in this regard and that we should focus our efforts closer to home and not dissipate our resources in tilting at distant, foreign windmills at least until the home front is secure. Very best regards. triskelion 2003-08-05 07:13 | User Profile Hello DD, By enlarge I agree with you and certainly a strong component of the Nordic Imperium School (i'll post a quick article on it if interests exists) is very much in favour or intra-racial pride, ex. pan Slavism, pan Germanism etc, as well as regional devolution and home rule. I revel in and take heart from the diversity of Europa caused by the intertwining of blood and history and object vigerously to any attempts deminish those things. But, co-operation between Revolutionary Nationals is a very realistic and worth while goal. I have seen far to much to have any real interest in idealic abstraction but I know dozens personally and know of hundreds more that co-operate and allow for the development of strategies, methods and ideologies that come from all over making those commited to the renewal of their own nations able to help and be helped by those far away. I could mention such things here again but those that know me have read of efforts by the numerous ITP affiliates, various activist projects and fruitfulness of looking for valid synthasis within NR/RC/NS thought. All of these things feed into an understanding of our common fate and the fact that we as Occidentals can't sit by and let alien Europe displace our brethern seeking renewal. Again I say we must look the example of Otto the Great and those that followed him.