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Thread ID: 7829 | Posts: 25 | Started: 2003-07-03
2003-07-03 19:32 | User Profile
*Is this a joke of some sort? Do Zionists have side bets going on with each other over who can get Bush to jump higher by yanking his strings harder?
When do Jews apologize to Africans for middle-manning the Middle Passage? When do Jews apologize to whites for taking the wheels off of Western civilization by conniving us out of our birthright to our own homeland, our own traditions and our own destiny?*
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Bush should apologize for slavery ZEV CHAFETS
On July 8, President Bush will arrive in Dakar, Senegal, on the first leg of a five-nation African tour. His stop there will last only a few hours, but it is far from a random choice of venue. Senegal is a nation with considerable symbolic importance for Bush, commander-in-chief of the war on Islamic terrorism, and Bush, presidential candidate.
In a speech that will be televised live to the world, he intends to laud Senegal as a democracy with a Muslim majority and as an ally in the fight against international terror. The message to other Muslim nations will be clear: Taking the American side in this war is both possible and rewarding.
Because of the time difference, Bush's speech will be broadcast here during morning drive time. But it will be, nonetheless, a prime-time political moment. Its setting guarantees that: Goree Island, the place from which innumerable Africans were shipped into American captivity.
Five years ago, on a visit to Africa, then-President Bill Clinton declared, "Before we were even a nation, European-Americans received the fruits of the slave trade, and we were wrong in that." But despite entreaties from African-American leaders, he declined to issue a formal apology. No American President ever has.
When the question of an apology was raised last week at a White House briefing, spokesman Ari Fleischer replied with a tantalizing evasion. "The President will be visiting Goree Island ... and so I think you're going to be hearing from the President on the topic of slavery."
So will Bush apologize? No one knows for sure. But the President specializes in bold, morality-based gestures. A statement beginning, "On behalf of the United States government, I formally apologize for the crime of slavery" would be good policy. It also would be good politics.
Sure, there are some white Americans who'd be turned off by an apology. But it is highly doubtful that they'd express themselves by voting against Bush in 2004. By the same token, even the most explicit presidential apology won't start a stampede of black voters to the GOP. African-Americans are not, in the main, moved politically by African issues. But Bush won't need millions of black votes in 2004 (although a few hundred thousand in key states would be a big help). Just a little image softening.
Last time out, Bush-as-racial-bogeyman inspired a very large black turnout. A forthright apology for the crime of slavery, delivered at Goree Island's Door of No Return, with Secretary of State Powell and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice at the President's side, could dampen black anti-Bush fervor - and reduce the size of the Democratic vote - in the next election.
Of course, Bush may pass on the apology. There are plenty of other things for him to talk about, from his contribution to the fight against HIV/AIDS to an American role in halting the slaughter taking place in the Congo and Liberia. These are important topics, but they won't win Bush any political points - or a place in American history as the President who went to Africa and, 140 years after the Emancipation Proclamation, finally said the right thing.
* Zev Chafets was born and raised in Pontiac, Mich. After graduating from the University of Michigan, he moved to Jerusalem, where he spent 33 years in politics, government and journalism. Chafets is a founding editor of the Jerusalem Report Magazine and the author of nine books of fiction, media criticism and social and political commentary. His column in the Daily News began running in the fall of 2000. He now lives in the New York area.*
2003-07-03 19:38 | User Profile
The gall. These pigs sit in their offices and laugh their arses off at these articles before they run them up the flagpole. Someday they're going to be apologizing and it won't do them any good.
2003-07-03 19:40 | User Profile
Sure, there are some white Americans who'd be turned off by an apology. But it is highly doubtful that they'd express themselves by voting against Bush in 2004.
"Oy, they're used to being shat upon by now - we've been doing it for years!"
Zev Chafets was born and raised in Pontiac, Mich. After graduating from the University of Michigan, he moved to Jerusalem, where he spent 33 years in politics, government and journalism.
Let's all remember this fine hebrew gentleman, hmm?
2003-07-03 21:14 | User Profile
What nonesense about the slave trade. Who do you think actually sold those poor :afro: s into slavery? Blacks themselves. African princes made forturnes off the slave trade, selling their own people into slavery. Do we ever hear about this in the media or in schools? FK NO! Just that the bad bad bad whites did it. Never mind that many of the traders were Shylocks. As the bumper stickers say "Had I known all this, I'd pick own damn cotton".
2003-07-03 21:28 | User Profile
Originally posted by perun1201@Jul 3 2003, 17:14 * ** What nonesense about the slave trade. Who do you think actually sold those poor :afro: s into slavery? Blacks themselves. African princes made forturnes off the slave trade, selling their own people into slavery. Do we ever hear about this in the media or in schools? FK NO! Just that the bad bad bad* whites did it. Never mind that many of the traders were Shylocks. As the bumper stickers say "Had I known all this, I'd pick own damn cotton".
Q: Why don't blacks use tylenol? A: They hate picking the cotton out of the bottle.
Q: How long does it take for a black woman to :dung: ? A: 9 months **
Your comments on the slave trade are factual, if not well-recognized by the general public. Truly a shame.
The manner of your response, on the other hand, is in my opinion counter-productive. Speaking for myself, I don't visit this site to view racial jokes, invective, or gratuitous profanity. As a suggestion, you might wish to consider placing those comments on a forum where they would be better received and would add rather than detract from the conversation.
2003-07-03 21:49 | User Profile
I can only shake my head at these Zionists who think that Whites will never speak out about the obvious anti-White mentality. More of us are waking up and speaking out every day. Slowly (fustratingly slowly, I might add) but surely, one lemming at a time, the White man is beginning to see through the jewish blinders.
2003-07-03 21:57 | User Profile
**Your comments on the slave trade are factual, if not well-recognized by the general public. Truly a shame.
The manner of your response, on the other hand, is in my opinion counter-productive. Speaking for myself, I don't visit this site to view racial jokes, invective, or gratuitous profanity. As a suggestion, you might wish to consider placing those comments on a forum where they would be better received and would add rather than detract from the conversation. **
Yes some members have brought this to my attention, so I have deleted those jokes. I fully apologize for them, and will not repeat that. I realize my mistake. I hope this didn't give the wrong impression, I really am a considerate gentleman. This time I just got carried away. :(
2003-07-03 23:18 | User Profile
*Originally posted by perun1201@Jul 3 2003, 21:57 * **
Yes some members have brought this to my attention, so I have deleted those jokes. I fully apologize for them, and will not repeat that. I realize my mistake. I hope this didn't give the wrong impression, I really am a considerate gentleman. This time I just got carried away. :( **
Now to whom shall I make this check for 40 million dollars to--the NAACP, the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, Al Sharpton's presidential campaign, the United Negro College Fund, or a Juneteenth organization??
2003-07-03 23:21 | User Profile
Oh very funny Robbie, hahaha!
:tux:
2003-07-03 23:44 | User Profile
On a previous il ragno post I answered as follows:
edward gibbon (Posted: Sep 12 2002, 01:40)> **I am always suspicious when I see somebody like Chafets advocating American intervention. [color=red]Chafets, a 1969 University of Michigan graduate, ran to Israel rather than serve in the American armed forces during the Vietnam War[/color]. QUOTE The former Bill Chafets spent a junior year abroad in Israel and moved there right after graduation. He served the required three years in the Israeli army, launched a writing career and wound up, at age 29, in charge of the government press office for newly elected Prime Minister Menachem Begin. "For a young guy," he says, "it was a big thrill, getting a chance to see some of the extraordinary characters of the century."
Infatuated with Israel:QUOTE Chafets's father, a dentist, and his mother, a homemaker, were not ardent Zionists, and Chafets never thought of moving to Israel until he spent his junior year in college at Hebrew University. He arrived there shortly after the 1967 Six Day War, a time when Israelis were flush with victory.
"I got caught up in the romance of a new country," he says. "When I came here, there was truly the sense that this was a weak place that needed every single man, woman or child that could work." He returned to Ann Arbor determined to emigrate, never suspecting, however, that he would become a front-row witness to history.
Observes American Jews:QUOTE Then came a book on American Jews called Members of the Tribe, part of which he researched in Michigan. Chafets recalls, "I spent Yom Kippur in a Jewish frat house at Michigan so I could write about it, and I spent time with Jews on skid row in Detroit so I could write about it."
Not a 100% American:QUOTE Chafets may become less preoccupied with such issues this summer, when his wife is scheduled to start working in Time's headquarters in New York City. [color=red]Chafets, who has dual citizenship in Israel and the States, feels conflicted[/color]. He finds that since his marriage to Beyer, he has experienced a rebirth of his American identity. "[color=red]I'm not an alienated American," he says. "I'm a diluted American." [/color] All quotes above are from [url=http://www.umich.edu/~newsinfo/MT/00/Spr00/mt1s00.html]http://www.umich.edu/~newsinfo/MT/00/Spr00/mt1s00.html[/url]
A diluted American, at best, now urging the sacrifice of American lives.**
Does anybody have any doubts as to why Jews have been thrown out of so many countries? This country may be next.
These are important topics, but they won't win Bush any political points - or a place in American history as the President who went to Africa and, 140 years after the Emancipation Proclamation, finally said the right thing. Chafets and his coterie should be asked why cowardly Jews ducked the Civil War in America? Like many of his landsmen Chafets feels entitled to be the conscience of America.
2003-07-04 05:36 | User Profile
What nonesense about the slave trade. Who do you think actually sold those poor s into slavery? Blacks themselves. African princes made forturnes off the slave trade, selling their own people into slavery. Do we ever hear about this in the media or in schools? FK NO! Just that the bad bad bad whites did it. Never mind that many of the traders were Shylocks. As the bumper stickers say "Had I known all this, I'd pick own damn cotton".**
The slave trade still exists anyway in Africa. I believe it is especially rampant in the Congo where they are snatching little girls and young women from their homes to serve and service the military.
2003-07-04 06:07 | User Profile
**The slave trade still exists anyway in Africa. I believe it is especially rampant in the Congo where they are snatching little girls and young women from their homes to serve and service the military. **
I don't know about the Congo, but I know that what you explain is rampant in the Sudan. So its not like whites were totally to blame for the slave trade. Blacks, Jew, and Arabs all made money off it.
2003-07-04 15:59 | User Profile
Originally posted by perun1201@Jul 4 2003, 00:07 * ** > *The slave trade still exists anyway in Africa. I believe it is especially rampant in the Congo where they are snatching little girls and young women from their homes to serve and service the military. **
I don't know about the Congo, but I know that what you explain is rampant in the Sudan. So its not like whites were totally to blame for the slave trade. Blacks, Jew, and Arabs all made money off it. **
Thanks correcting my country. I couldn't remember which warfaring country still battling was doing this.
Lady
2003-07-04 17:10 | User Profile
If he should apologize, it'll be a move the Reparations Committee is looking for as a clear sign that money is definitely due. Apologies always have a way to turn into real cash! Hopefully the idiot 'white man' president will see that before he blunders it.
2003-07-05 06:52 | User Profile
** Thanks correcting my country. I couldn't remember which warfaring country still battling was doing this.**
Half the continent is in civil war, so its not that off. There is a civil going on in the Congo, or some kind of violence. Now we know here the gangstas learned their stuff. All they did was transport their ways from Africa into America's inner cities.
:afro: :afro: :afro: :afro:
2003-07-08 16:45 | User Profile
Right on cue!!
GOREE ISLAND, Senegal (July 8) - President Bush called slavery ``one of the greatest crimes of history'' Tuesday and inched closer toward sending American troops to a peacekeeping force in Liberia.
Bush gave a wide-ranging speech on slavery and race in a visit to an Atlantic seaport where slaves once were packed onto ships and sent to America. It was his first day of a five-nation trip to Africa.
Meeting with regional leaders, Bush discussed whether to commit U.S. troops to a peacekeeping force in Liberia, founded by freed American slaves in 1822. ``We're now in the process of determining the extent of our participation,'' Bush said. He said he had yet to make up his mind.
Aides said Bush's comments signaled there would be some involvement of U.S. forces, although the size and role of such a contingent remains an open question.
On Goree Island, Bush toured a centuries-old house that was used as a processing center for countless thousands of Africans who were herded aboard ships that took them into slavery in America.
Human beings were delivered, sorted, weighed, branded with marks of commercial enterprises and loaded as cargo on a voyage without return,'' Bush said.One of the largest migrations in history was also one of the greatest crimes of history.''
Bush did not apologize for slavery but noted Americans throughout history ``clearly saw this sin and called it by name.''
The spirit of Africans in America did not break,'' Bush said.Yet the spirit of their captors was corrupted.''
The president recited a litany of Africans and African Americans who made contributions to American society, from the arts to politics: abolitionist Frederick Douglass, slave-poet Phillis Wheatley and Martin Luther King Jr.
``The stolen sons and daughters of Africa helped to awaken the conscience of America,'' he said.
Despite painful shared history, Bush said the United States and African nations must work together to eradicate disease and war, and to encourage greater business ties.
``We know that these challenges can be overcome because history moves in the direction of justice,'' Bush said.
Bush stood with Senegalese President Abdoulaye Wade, who said African nations need help building their economies so they can overcome slavery's legacy.
All Africans are asking for is infrastructure so Africans can work,'' he said, specifically requestingheavy military equipment'' to help with farming.
``By walking on this martyred island, part of the heritage of mankind will remain strongly in the hearts for long years to come in Senegal, in the United States,'' he said.
Bush, along with his wife and one of their twin daughters, Barbara, Secretary of State Colin Powell, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and the Wades, took a tour of the two-story stone slave house, painted a coral pink, on Goree Island.
Upstairs, the group received a briefing on the building's tragic history from the longtime curator, Joseph Ndiaye. Downstairs, they looked through the slave quarters for men, woman and children.
Very moving - very touching,'' he said.It reminds us to never forget history.''
The president shed his suit jacket and tie in the heat, opting instead for rolled-up shirt sleeves and an open collar. He put the jacket back on for his speech.
Mrs. Bush had also changed, from a gray skirt suit to a mint pantsuit and beige sneakers.
Bush went to Goree Island aboard Wade's presidential yacht after meeting in Dakar with Wade and the heads of seven other West African democracies.
Bush said the group had ``a good discussion'' on Liberia. Among the leaders was President John Kufuor of Ghana, the head of the 15-country Economic Community of West African States, which has been deeply involved in talks over how to stabilize Liberia.
We're now in the process of determining the extent of our participation,'' Bush said.The U.N. is going to be involved but the U.S. will work with ECOWAS.''
Bush aides said that Bush's comments on ``participation'' with the West African democracies on bringing an end to the civil war in Liberia represented a further definition of the administration's evolving position.
Upon arrival in Senegal Tuesday morning, Bush headed straight into a meeting with Wade, an ally in his anti-terror campaign.
After that session, Bush and Wade met with their West African democratic counterparts: Kufuor, Mathieu Kerekou of Benin, Pedro Pires of Cape Verde, Yahya Jammeh of Gambia, Amadou Toumani Toure of Mali, Mamadou Tandja of Niger and Ahmad Tejan Kabbah of Sierra Leone.
Clusters of curious onlookers gathered on dirt roads to watch Bush's motorcade pass by, many standing with their arms folded across their chests, some clapping and waving.
It was a marked contrast to the reception given President Clinton on his first Africa trip, in March 1998. Clinton's first stop, in Ghana, drew the largest crowds of his presidency, estimated at 500,000 people. Later on the same trip, thousands of people lined Senegal's streets to cheer, jump, clap, wave, sing and play drums for Clinton.
From Goree Island, Bush departed late Tuesday for South Africa.
Bush's five-day trip to Africa, his first to the continent as president, also takes him to Botswana, Uganda and Nigeria.
*07/08/03 11:08 EDT
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2003-07-08 17:20 | User Profile
"Human beings were delivered, sorted, weighed, branded with marks of commercial enterprises and loaded as cargo on a voyage without return,'' Bush said. "One of the largest migrations in history was also one of the greatest crimes of history.''**
Bush did not apologize for slavery but noted Americans throughout history "clearly saw this sin and called it by name.''
"The spirit of Africans in America did not break,'' Bush said. "Yet the spirit of their captors was corrupted.''
The president recited a litany of Africans and African Americans who made contributions to American society, from the arts to politics: abolitionist Frederick Douglass, slave-poet Phillis Wheatley and Martin Luther King Jr.
"The stolen sons and daughters of Africa helped to awaken the conscience of America,'' he said.**
:dung: x 100
Ah yes, it's so nice to have a "conservative" in the White House, huh Freepers? :rolleyes:
2003-07-08 17:54 | User Profile
Obvious way to get negro votes in 2004.
2003-07-08 18:36 | User Profile
**Like many of his landsmen Chafets feels entitled to be the conscience of America.
**
Spot on. I would merely replace your word "many" with "most."
Historical note: the favored goods whites used to trade with Africans for slaves included textiles, firearms, rum, and glass beads (particularly those made in Venice, which had a monopoly of sorts on the methods of their manufacture.) Modern day collectors of antique beads saw a great many centuries-old Venetian beads flood the market in the 60's and 70's. Their source? Africa!
2003-07-08 19:12 | User Profile
Originally posted by ÃÅbeltäter@Jul 8 2003, 17:54 * Obvious way to get negro votes in 2004.*
It won't work. Just like 'hispandering', it merely results in louder claims: 'The President admitted America owes us'.
2003-07-08 23:05 | User Profile
Bush's "apology" for slavery is idiotic and foolish. He is either unaware that slavery continues in Africa today, or knows it but just doesn't want to admit it. Bush will say the right things to the right people, and that makes him an even bigger idiot.
2003-07-09 00:47 | User Profile
Slavery was indeed a crime -- a crime that was practiced by all races until it was stamped out by Whites.
Foolishly.
2003-07-09 00:47 | User Profile
Slavery was indeed a crime -- a crime that was practiced by all races until it was stamped out by Whites.
Foolishly.
2003-07-09 01:22 | User Profile
Re: Bush's "apology" for slavery: Blacks sold Blacks into slavery
"These [slave] ships would depart New England loaded with trinkets, weapons and, of course, rum, which would be traded to tribal chieftains in exchange for the Africans they held as slaves..."
D-oh! Funny how our sandal-wearing history teachers never mentioned that.
[url=http://www.georgiacsa.org/slavery/slavery.htm]http://www.georgiacsa.org/slavery/slavery.htm[/url]
2003-07-09 01:41 | User Profile
I have a somewhat different take.
Since slavery happened....and we're never going to hear the end of it...I really and truly want to see scholars picking up the baton Team Shmuel wrested from Farrakhan's hand regarding the middlemen who profited on the slave trade coming and going.
You remember when Calypso Louie raised this issue? There were two sorts of responses;
1- Jews screamed 'hate'
2- Journalists screamed 'irresponsibility'
Neither bothered to factually REFUTE the claim. They merely colluded in deeming the topic off-limits, and by this point in my life I at last understand that means "Of course it's true...but to say so would mean spray-paint swastikas on headstones, pogroms, broken display glass and, inevitably, new death camps! It's too dangerous a truth to be allowed to be spoken!!"
So I demand nothing less than open, frank, fact-based and (hopefully) UNENDING laser-sight fixation upon this issue. Such one-issue obsessiveness can only lead to one of two conclusions
1- Media Jews will declare slavery, reparations and all related issues closed forever
2- Jews in general sweating bullets as the mask of bookish egalitarianism is wrenched from their porcine pans, and the joystick of public opinion clatters momentatrily from their palsied, sweating mitts.
Either/or is DEVOUTLY to be wished for.