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Thread ID: 7756 | Posts: 14 | Started: 2003-07-01
2003-07-01 19:24 | User Profile
America? Israel? Same thing, except one is bigger...
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2003-07-01 20:32 | User Profile
Indeed the US and Israel seems to be one. But why is that? Did Israel and America form an informal statehood with each other in 1948?
Back in 1948 when Britain & US and whoever else uprooted the Palestinians from their land and gave Israel that area, I've always wondered what did those countries get in return?
And, what is it about Israel (besides religious and geographical reasons) that Israel has held and continues to hold the US hostage?
Was there something in the terms of agreement when Israel became the Israeli state that said that the west, meaning the US, had to without question, given endless support? What is it I ask? I have read and read and can't figure out WHY we are such a big supporter. Could someone enlighten me or possibly direct me to a link that gets to the point?
Thanks. Lady
2003-07-01 20:36 | User Profile
Franco, our policy in Iraq is about to fall apart. For example, instead of hiring many of the generally anti-Hussein Iraqi military for $10 a month and use the to stabilize Iraq in a very cost effective way, we told them to go shag sheep. Thus, instead of building up our defensive posture, we are actively impeding the successful establishment of an Iraqi regime, similar to what we did when Bush people pushed Karzei to ban guns in Afghanistan. Both nominal allied governments are doomed to failure by design.
There are several questions here:
1) Why is this adminstration making such fundamental errors in these countries?
Because there was not much thought beyond getting rid of Saddam.
2) Who benefits from such incompetence?
The Dimocratic Party's hard left wing.
3) What will be the reaction of the American public.
Confusion and frustration that there is no competent leadership on the Right to oppose the Hitlary Clintons of America.
4) How could the leadership of various groups exploit the coming Bush disaster?
WN could exploit the situation by telling the public in ways compatible with their values and palatable with their American tastes how and why this happened and why this necesitates change in the leadership of the American Rightwing.
5) Who will successfully exploit this disaster?
Again, the Dimocrat Left, especially Hitlary.
In sumary, I think that Bush is heading toward a one term Presidency like his father. Those concealed pupetteers that booted his daddy out the WH door to make room for Clinton will do the same to his son.
The radical Left is going to benefit from all this, not Isreal and not the ever-suspected JKTCE (Jewish Kabal That Controls Everything). The Leftists are playing the Jews like Stalin did, and they will have a Presidency with HUGELY expanded powers unlike anything the Clintons ever imagined.
The latter concerns me far more than whether Wolfowitz has dual loyalties or if he is Jewish.
2003-07-02 00:22 | User Profile
...the Hitlary Clintons of America.
*Hitlary Clinton? * Did you just escape from Freeperland or what?
2003-07-02 00:45 | User Profile
**Indeed the US and Israel seems to be one. But why is that? Did Israel and America form an informal statehood with each other in 1948?
Back in 1948 when Britain & US and whoever else uprooted the Palestinians from their land and gave Israel that area, I've always wondered what did those countries get in return?
And, what is it about Israel (besides religious and geographical reasons) that Israel has held and continues to hold the US hostage?**
Israel is important because Jews are the most powerful political force in the USA. I don't think the Jews control America, but they do hold the plurality of power. They are very rich, very politically active, and they stick together, across party lines on critical issues. They are the most powerful because no one else is moreso. So, the source of Israel's power isn't in Israel, it's in America. Without America or some other superpower patron, Israel couldn't exist. This is why Jews play such hardball, they have themselves convinced they're in a fight to the death when it comes to foreign policy and Israel.
Was there something in the terms of agreement when Israel became the Israeli state that said that the west, meaning the US, had to without question, given endless support? What is it I ask? I have read and read and can't figure out WHY we are such a big supporter. Could someone enlighten me or possibly direct me to a link that gets to the point?
If you are asking for the ostensible, public reason behind our support for Israel, it isnt easy to find a sufficiently realpolitikal answer. Usually the best I hear is "because we're the good guys." There's usually a laundry list of irrelevancies and inaccuracies tacked on to bolster this primary motive.
2003-07-02 03:29 | User Profile
Thanks, Raider for your reply. I can only surmise that the Jews have had their noses in US history much longer than I realize. I always thought that the Jews were relatively new immigrants around the 1940's or so. I didn't know that really had made an inroad into our politics. I guess I should take some university class in Israeli studies. The only problem with that is it would probably be presented so biased that I wouldn't get a good study of the Jewish impact into the US and into other western cultures as far as that matters.
2003-07-02 06:55 | User Profile
Originally posted by NativeExile@Jul 1 2003, 18:22 * ** > ...the Hitlary Clintons of America.*
*Hitlary Clinton? * Did you just escape from Freeperland or what? **
LOL!
And where did you escape from?
Hogan's Heroes?
2003-07-02 14:34 | User Profile
"So, the source of Israel's power isn't in Israel, it's in America."
Excellent point! The Israeli tail doesn't wag the American Dog but rather the reverse obtains. Israel is de facto the 51'st state (Puerto Rico is the 52'nd. See, the presumed ignoramuses who posit there to be 52 states are right, after all.) and any attack on Zhidrael is, ipso facto, an attack on the Jew Ass Oy Veh. Sodom WhoSane and the EyeRacki people were threating the 51'st state, so it was perfectly reasonable for our Shabbos ButtGoy Draft Dodger in Chief to lead a crusade against the autonomy, self determination and dignity of the Iraqi people.
The economic and political capitals of www.shylock.world.org are clearly Jersusalem on the Hudson and Tel Aviv on the Potomac. When Ariel Sharon blathered on about controlling America, he didn't mean that the Knesset makes binding law for Boobus Americanus but that the Crypto Kkes who rule under the auspices of the Red White and Jew can be counted on to ride herd over the unruly Goy masses and keep us in line. Once more, boys and girls, US Sheenies dictate to the Yidraelis', not the other way around. So could we please retire that viscerally satisfying but factually innacurate metaphor during debates local to OD and save it for the for Ni*erball viewing lemmings who are unwilling and/or incapable of discerning the not so fine distinctions referred to above?
Thanks for giving me an opening to Hammer home the point, Raider dude!
2003-07-02 16:12 | User Profile
MPC,
where have you been? Your input has been thouroughly missed all along :lol:
2003-07-02 19:28 | User Profile
**where have you been? Your input has been thouroughly missed all along **
Zdrastvuy, Tovarisch!
I've been brushing up on my J2EE, C++ STL, Java Swing und JDBC, Fixed Income mathematics, financial derivative modeling (Martingales, measure theory, and stochastic differential equations, Oh My!), XML, and XSLT, Tovarisch. I've given up on Perl and VB and won't waste my time on C#/.Net. Brushing up on what you already have experience with is one thing, but reading up on new stuff will only invite a clamorous chorus of: "We want actual PAID experience, not no fancy book larnin'!" Still, I will probably do some more reading on Web Services just for kicks. Mebbe it's jes me, but those decent high paying jobs they've been promising us since the violent assault on the working class White Male back in the late 70's/ early 80's seem to be becoming increasingly difficult to come by.
I've also been skulking, lurking, and prowling at OD and simultaneously loitering at VNN.I must say that I've been pleasantly surpised by the increasing tendency of OD'ers to be not so reticent in naming the Zhid. Maybe Franco's incessant machine gun attack is having the desired effect. Even the usual suspects, the AR types here at OD (You know who you are!), are starting to get with the program.
I was, however, bemused by some gratuitously inane and scurrilous attack on the Serbs by some deranged Ustasha dingbat of relatively recent vintage. I won't mention the malefactor's moniker, as that might be construed as a personal attack, and an imagined ad hominem might just be enough to get me Freeped. It seems odd for an ostensible WN to regurgitate tired JewsMedia calumnies against the Serbs concerning fictional massacres, fanciful "rape camps" and heroic "Montenegrins" standing up valorously against the savage Serbian hordes*, not to mention photos of actual massacred Serbian villagers sporting captions describing them as murdered Croatians (excuse,me, rrrrrrrrvati), Bosnian Moslems, or Albanians, as the BullSh, er, case might be.
The Serbian struggle for existence in the 1990's was a microcosm of the heroic defense of Western Civilization by the valorous men of the Luftwaffe, Wehrmacht, and especially, the Waffen SS.
*So much bullshit was slung during the '90's by the Hrrrrrrvati, the Muzlims (I always though Muslim was a kind of dress), the White Slave trading, heroin dealing, "other" Moslem freedom fighters of Kosova (I know some Albanians, and they assure me that there is no such word as "Kosova" in either of the two Albanian dialects. It appears that these rather unimaginative Narco-gangsters didn't have enough resourcefulness to do anything more creative than spitefully bastardize the Serbian word "Kosovo". It seems to me that if you're going to steal people's land, you should have the decency to go to the trouble of rechristening the land with a name taken from YOUR mother tongue) through their hook nosed patrons' JoozMedia, that it's hard to pick a favorite but this one is trully breathtaking:
Long before the hapless Milosevic was slandered as the new and improved Hitler by the pervasive KikeMedia, there happened along a fellow named Zeljko Raznatovic, who chief "crime" was that he protected unarmed Serbian civilians trapped in eastern Slavonia from howling mobs of blood thirsty rrrrrrrrvati. He was subsequently made the poster boy of the much maligned Serbian civil defense forces (somehow always translated with a generous helping of contrived moral outrage as "Paramilitary" by the interchangeable JewzCasters), complete with innumerable "hardhitting" CNN specials by the redoubtable mule faced Christainna Aman, er, something Iranian, who just fortuitously, adventitiously, serendipitously, coincidentally happened to be married to a top Jew in Clinton's Kompletely Kosher state department. At the same time there was a fellow named Radovan Karadzic, who, like Hitler a half century before him, was guilty of the singularly evil crime against humanity of wanting his people to have a country of their own. His JewsMedia savagings were an adumbration of the Milosevic travesty yet to come, and the Media Hebe's even featured him on Time Magazine's cover as "The Face of Evil" several years before this honor was accorded the luckless Milosevic.
The trouble is that the Media Jew Boyz and their rrrrrrrrrvatski lapdogs left out one thing - all three of these "Serbian" men of evil presumably oppressing the long suffering, freedom loving Montenegrins were all Montenegrins! I won't even mention Montenegrin mountain man George Vasojevic, alias KaraDjordje Petrovic, of the renownded Montenegrin Vasojevic Clan, who founded the modern Serbian State and whose descendants ruled as kings of the Serbian nation throughout the 19'th century and the first half of the twentieth centuries, and who has been and continues to be revered as the incarnation of the Serbian Nation by the presumably Montenegrin-hating Serbs.
A former King of an Independent Montenegro put it best back in 1914 when asked about the relationship of Montenegro to Serbia, just before the pitifully small Montenegrin army voluntarily waived it's neutrality and went to the mat defending the retreat of their brothers in the Serbian Army, thereby inviting brutal reprisals from the Austro-Hungarian and German forces, complete with a 1920's Ukranian style man made famine: "All Montenegrins are Serbs, but not all Serbs can be Montenegrins!"
Evidently the Jewzpaper boyz' contempt for the cognitive and critical reasoning abilities of the sports fans in the Jewnited States of Amerikwa and ZOE (Zionist Occupied Europe), as personified by Alka Seltzer, was so extreme that they didn't even deign to get their bullshit straight.
2003-07-02 19:57 | User Profile
** Marcus Cato wrote:
I must say that I've been pleasantly surpised by the increasing tendency of OD'ers to be not so reticent in naming the Zhid. Maybe Franco's incessant machine gun attack is having the desired effect. Even the usual suspects, the AR types here at OD (You know who you are!), are starting to get with the program. **
Heh, heh. Uncle Franco is doing the Lord's work. Gives him a reason to get up in the mornin'. :) [Tho I wonder if'n Tex likes Uncle Franco's methods... ]
2003-07-02 20:12 | User Profile
Originally posted by Marcus Porcius Cato@Jul 2 2003, 12:28 * *I've been brushing up on my J2EE, C++ STL, Java Swing und JDBC, Fixed Income mathematics, financial derivative modeling (Martingales, measure theory, and stochastic differential equations, Oh My!), XML, and XSLT, Tovarisch. I've given up on Perl and VB and won't waste my time on C#/.Net. **
You mean you aren't wearing costumes that give renny a hard-on, despite your radical views? :lol:
** I've also been skulking, lurking, and prowling at OD and simultaneously loitering at VNN.I must say that I've been pleasantly surpised by the increasing tendency of OD'ers to be not so reticent in naming the Zhid. Maybe Franco's incessant machine gun attack is having the desired effect. Even the usual suspects, the AR types here at OD (You know who you are!), are starting to get with the program. **
I am not sure it was Franco's effect. It's just that the issues get eventually distilled to their essenses, in the absense of a lively discourse between neokahnservatives and paleos due to the kommissar purges at a certain Freak Republik. When the troops are kept stationed at their respective camps, without a brotherly mingling with a potential enemy, they start watching each other increasingly through a gun sight, metaphorically speaking. And recent triskelion's input was very interesting too. I am afraid that the US is past the stage where holding onto the pure paleoconservative principles would work, due to the opposition definining itself in racial/tribal/ethnic terms. One might as well accept the reality that a bigger tent won't work, because the enemies are sensing blood.
** I was, however, bemused by some gratuitously inane and scurrilous attack on the Serbs by some deranged Ustasha dingbat of relatively recent vintage. **
If that's what made you come out of your hiding, the effect isn't all negative :lol:
2003-07-02 22:55 | User Profile
Marcus Porcius Cato your very insulting remarks have been noted. I haven't mocked the Srbi nor have I deliberately mis-spelt that ethnic name, as you have done... May I remind you that until very recently that the Srbi were known as the Servians? :rolleyes:
If mis-spelling our ethnic name is all the ammunition you have, I pity you. The name-slinging of a child. A pathetic and blatent attempt at provoking a flame. :lol:
protected unarmed Serbian civilians trapped in eastern Slavonia from
Of course there is no proof of this sort of thing. Simply allegations from so-called 'refugees.' No reputable audio or video confirmation whatsoever. What do rational people identify completly baseless and self-serving allegations as? : LIES.
If anyone is really interested in learning the truth about the Serbs and the Jews, my best advice is to visit Serbian websites and read the vast amount of literature documenting the extensive support and adoration that the Serbs have enjoyed from their Jewish brethren.
[url=http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/Jews.html]Serbs and Jews[/url] - this is a Serbian website ([url=http://www.srpska-mreza.com/]Srpska Mreza - Serbian Network[/url]).
This liar cannot refute the ties between the Serbs and the Jews, but he will try to fool you all about it. Typical disinformationalist tactics - deny, dismiss, divert. The Serb and the Jew share the same soul. It's even on their own websites. Go look - read what the Serbs themselves have to say. :thd:
With their forked tongues the Serbs have been courting both the Jews and the White Nationalists. It is to the Jews that they owe their true allegiance. This is patently obvious to anyone with knowledge of history and the time and inclination to search for the truth.
2003-07-03 04:30 | User Profile
Originally posted by NativeExile@Jul 2 2003, 00:22 * > ...the Hitlary Clintons of America.*
Hitlary Clinton? * Did you just escape from Freeperland or what?*
Nahhh... He's an escapee from [url=http://freeconservatives.com] FreaKon land[/url]
He's fairly conservative... but he LOOOVVVVEEEESSSSS Jews.