← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · xmetalhead
Thread ID: 7718 | Posts: 61 | Started: 2003-06-30
2003-06-30 16:10 | User Profile
Simply stated, my wife and I are just totally and, we believe justifibly, utterly dismayed seeing Amerikwa devolve into a sea of brown chaos. Nothing good is going to happen in Amerikwa as far as we can see. The dawning totalitarian police state inside a multiracial overtaxed hell-hole like this is going to bring misery untold. ZOG takes no prisoners. We have a feeling that White genocide, not Hispanic/Mexican, is going to be the new ghastly sport of the Dark People. I dunno, call us crazy, but I figure the intelligent folks here at OD would be most understanding and offer something worthwile in response.
Even amongst our White brethren we can clearly feel their debased language, sloppy dress, gutter culture, ignorant music and superficial pursuits gnawing at our nerves like hungry mosquitos on flesh. Nevermind the minorities; they are useless creatures ruining the country. Talk about Europe with them? Most don't even have passports and still call the Czech Republic "Czechoslovakia". Without class, the behavior of many, especially the understated dark-skin population, is brutally appalling and just outright depressing. The rundown architecture, ugly urban zones, failed city planning, and overabundance of hideous shopping malls makes a complete and thourough dependency on an automobile, thus oil, thus the State totally unavoidable. When's the last time you took a nice evening stroll down a few blocks, or took a trolley, to a pedestrian zone with nice shops and outdoor restaurants where the "obnoxious meter" is very low or even non existent??
I will adamantly declare that my wife and I are not snobs who look down at those less sophisticated. We're born and raised in middle class America, she first generation, me second generation European and speak Spanish and French respectively, but don't have family in Europe any longer, although I have a friend in Germany and she a friend in England. We've both travelled extensively in Europe; she lived in Spain for quite some time years ago too.
Also, I want to point out that my wife and I know fully well that Europe has it's big problems. Immigration, taxation, socialism and surrending sovreignty to the massive EU nightmare. Unbelievably, we still believe it's a better quality of life in Europe and maybe the only hope for White civilization.
We feel it's time to leave. Any ideas? Do you think it's a good idea? I know there are some European posters on OD. Our friends over in Europe say the only way to do it is getting/being employed by an American company who will place you in Europe and then conceive and birth a child there which makes the newborn a citizen. Sorta like the Mexicans do it in America. Ironic huh?
All responses welcome and thanks for listening. We all need moral support in these times, that's for sure. :(
2003-06-30 16:14 | User Profile
I sympathize. I bet everyone on this board has had the same thought cross their mind. Brimelow suggests that things can change, and that the weather here is better anyway. Perhaps that's worth fighting for, if nothing else..... :D
If I'd move, it would be to Australia. Isolated, beautiful, and great weather. Plus, lots of land. Remember that the per-capita income in America is about 50K for whites. That implies....
Just a few ideas....
-Jay
2003-06-30 16:51 | User Profile
*Originally posted by rban@Jun 30 2003, 11:30 * ** Xmetalhead, although there are issues there with Muslim dirt, I suggest instead of Europe you should try India, with its Aryan civilization, superior culture, and traditional family values. I have contacts there...let me know if I can be of assistance. **
Rban, I know you generate many a lively response here at OD, and I sometimes wonder how you can say what you say with a straight face. It's baffling....... BUT, I will entertain your suggestion by asking first: Have you lived in India? Please answer honestly. Also, what city in India would offer the best basic services to Westerners, like running water and toilets, stores, etc and how would the natives take to White folk living amongst them??? You see, we want to live where there will be the highest concentration of White people....that's why we're so down on the USA....it's fighting a losing battle and will be soon completely overtaken by non-Whites.
2003-06-30 17:21 | User Profile
Emigrating is a big step and unless you are wealthy, have some very in demand professional skills or excellent professional contacts I wouldn't do it. It is true that Europa has some real serious problems withGermany, Holland & the U.K. being the worst off in my opnion but even those countries are far better off then the states in most respects. More importaintly, I see plenty of indication that National Renewal may occure in several European nations. Frankly, I am pretty close to giving up on the idea that anything worth while will happen in the states and some of my relatives have, thankfully, come home.
Australia is well on the way to becoming an Asian third world dump. I lack the knowledge of the scene there and in New Zealand to know if any hope remains.
With respect to india it is hell on earth unless your very wealthy. I have spent alot of time traveling about India because I love classical Indian music. Frankly, nothing works well in that nation with transport being the worst, sanitation is non existant and utilities and phone service are pretty poor by Western standards but better then what one finds in the Southern 3/4's of Africa. Crime is a real problem and the pop culture is as vile as anything one sees in the states. Is short, you'd have to be crazy to live there if you had a choice and tens of millions of Indians clearly agree.
2003-06-30 17:35 | User Profile
Triskelion, thanks for that response as I know you're a resident of Europe. It is a very tough to emigrate, I know. My wife, through her corporation and pursual of professional contacts she knows, has the possiblity of bringing us to Geneva, Switzerland. Besides having a good working knowledge of French, I know Switzerland is beautiful (travelled through Lucerne once) and has a low, low percentage of non-Whites. Thing is, I just don't know if I'd be able to work there, making my wife the main breadwinner. In ordinary circumstances, this would be unacceptable, but in extraodinary times like these, I don't care. I hope I'm not being paranoid about the coming collapse of Amerikwa, but something just doesn't feel right, ya know? I'm happy that your family has emigrated back to Europe, Trisk; they're definitely better off there than in the USSA.
2003-06-30 17:48 | User Profile
x,
who's going to pay taxes to pay educational, healthcare, policing etc. costs for all the invading hordes of mestizos? Your civic duty is to learn to love multi-kulti and hate yourself (and subsidize all the wonderful new Americans).
Switzerland is a very clean and orderly country, in large part due to their restrictions on immigration. The German part more so than the French one. If you take rail over Europe, you can see how the landscape changes once you cross the borders.
It does sound interesting if all the whites suddenly left the US and relocated to the land of their ancestors, with the immediate collapse of the multi-culti society in the US.
2003-06-30 17:54 | User Profile
xmetalhead & triskelion,
Good points.
Another is to marry into Europe and carefully plan a relocation there. My wife is from Poland and both of us have excellent contacts and family east of the Rhine. In our case it's the point of accepting a fairly steep cut in living standards, which we're assuming will be necessary in the post-white US anyhow.
The thing with both of us is we'd really rather be among kin. America is rapidly becoming non-kindred territory to all but the most totally deracinated whites so there really isn't a choice.
And triskelion is very right: There might be tons of problems in Europe but there is a chance there. In America there is no chance for national renewal and there won't be. Time to be realistic.
2003-06-30 18:11 | User Profile
Mad Russian :lol: on the first part of your post.....But the frightening reality might be just that: Clampdown USA. Whitey, don't move, You're the New Slave and this is the New sh*t Order. I think the only escape now, is to Europe, where, believe it or not, the culture and land is still White and better than here. I think the US media portrays Europe too harshly too dissuade White Americans from ever considering a move overseas.
Ragnar, interesting. You are very correct in assuming that living standards in the post White America will drop so severely making living in Poland look like paradise. Poland is probably 99.995% White. That's what matters. That means there's a chance there, as well as other parts of Europe. Like you so rightly said: America is Non-Kindred territory. We've lost the war people. We need to be with our kin.
We need to find out if White Americans can claim "Political asylum" in Europe. Does anyone know?
Are we starting an Abandon America Party here?
2003-06-30 18:22 | User Profile
I heard the US wants you to pay American taxes even if you emigrate. For economic reasons, emigrating may mean burning the bridges, or face the tax man if you ever come back.
2003-06-30 18:44 | User Profile
xmetalhead, you will certainly find a sympathizer in me.
We feel it's time to leave. Any ideas? Do you think it's a good idea?
I am starting to feel much the same way. Either leave, or find a more isolated area to homestead with like-minded individuals. However, North America is a continent of whoredom, and I don't see any prospects for improvement any time soon. I think you success will directly depend upon how realistic your financial and cultural expectations may be. For instance, it is obvious that one should not expect to move from the USA to another nation and expect to either make the same $$$ or expect the same governmental responsiveness or processes that you may have grown very accustomed to. My brother recently moved to the UK due to his dissatisfaction with NA society/government and found securing employment challenging despite his Phd and excellent credentials.
We're born and raised in middle class America, she first generation, me second generation European and speak Spanish and French respectively, but don't have family in Europe any longer
I do believe that this may be key to your effort. I know that some European nations offer citizenship to ethnic nationals. This is how I got my (Croatian/Hrvat) passport and citizenship.
**If I'd move, it would be to Australia. Isolated, beautiful, and great weather. Plus, lots of land. **
Sorry to say, jay, I disagree. Australia is eagerly and intently oggled by greedy hordes of grossly overpopulated Asian countries, especially China. In this respect I fully agree with triskelion. Australia is the one place I would never move to, for this reason, and for the other reason that the land (although beautiful) is increasingly unproductive and infertile due to salt corruption.
**In America there is no chance for national renewal and there won't be. Time to be realistic. **
I've been saying this for years... too many 'white' Americans have so little actual knowledge of their ethnic background and histories that there is very little to be salvaged or even proud of IMO. Yes, it is a sad thing to say, but it is also frankly realistic, and a reality everyone must face.
2003-06-30 18:51 | User Profile
I can certainly understand why someone would want to leave this rapidly-deteriorating hellhole of a nation that used to be America. If I were to move to another nation, it would probably be someplace like Finland, which I understand is much more free than the US in terms of gun rights and a press that doesn't kowtow to the government. Learning the language would take time, though.
On the other hand, there's a part of me that wants to stay here in the USI (United States of Israel) because if the fight against Zionist domination is lost here, then it will probably lost everywhere on earth. The USI is much too powerful militarily and economically to be restored from without. If there is ever an armed uprising to overthrow ZOG and reestablish a Constitutional government, then it will have to happen from within, since the USI cannot readily use heavy weapons or other indiscriminantly-destructive methods on its own soil (military and police thugs will not endanger their own families and friends), especially in more densely-populated areas. Hence, anyone who wishes to be involved in such a struggle -- even if it's only in an indirect capacity -- will have to remain in the States. But again, I can hardly blame anyone for wanting to bail out of this coast-to-coast prison.
2003-06-30 19:22 | User Profile
Rban, what you fail to realize is that most people on this thread have come to the sober realization that America is dead. Personally, I don't have a problem with Hindus, but what is importing more of them going to do for America?? The Cabal has designs for a new America and is enthusiastically letting the old America die a miserable death. What do people do when the boat is sinking??
For instance, it is obvious that one should not expect to move from the USA to another nation and expect to either make the same $$$ or expect the same governmental responsiveness or processes that you may have grown very accustomed to. My brother recently moved to the UK due to his dissatisfaction with NA society/government and found securing employment challenging despite his Phd and excellent credentials.
Alka, good point. What I am anticipating in the United States however, is that within just a few years, there's NOT going to be any more $$$$$ here anyway. Already we have IT people, such as my recently laid off computer programmer brother, with credentials up the yang who now work in Home Depot. When the collapse comes and the government starts taking 60% of our salaries under penalty of death to pay for non-White luxury, life here will be toture and misery. My concern, and my wife's concern, is that we would rather be in a country with an overwhelming White majority, even if we only have enough money for food and shelter than to be heroes here in Apocalyptic AmeriKwa. We feel Europe, with all it's problems still represents hope for the White race. The Netherlands has recently began deporting Muslims!! C'mon, imagine just the mind crime of something like that in ZOG America!! Our WWII veterans thought they were heroes, saving America, only to be unkowing accomplices in it's destruction. I don't want to be a hero. I didn't have any say whatsoever in the political process in this country nor the insane laws they make contrary to my survival and happiness.
**If there is ever an armed uprising to overthrow ZOG and reestablish a Constitutional government, then it will have to happen from within, since the USI cannot readily use heavy weapons or other indiscriminantly-destructive methods on its own soil (military and police thugs will not endanger their own families and friends), especially in more densely-populated areas. Hence, anyone who wishes to be involved in such a struggle -- even if it's only in an indirect capacity -- will have to remain in the States. But again, I can hardly blame anyone for wanting to bail out of this coast-to-coast prison. **
Angler, I'm not totally sure that ZOG is beyond using its weapons on it's own servants and soil. With a collapse of services that most likely will happen in the next few years, massive chaos ensuing, there'll be a need to secure USI's bunkers while the unrest will have to be...a...put down, to say it mildly. I would say police forces are not above crushing any uprising that might want to overthrow ZOG. But I do agree with you about America's breathtaking rapid deterioration.
2003-06-30 20:15 | User Profile
xmetalhead - > What I am anticipating in the United States however, is that within just a few years, there's NOT going to be any more $$$$$ here anyway.
Quite correct. The imminent collapse of California - and the financial suffering of other US states - seems to more than support your suspicions.
However, one must bear in mind that the population density is far higher in Europe than it is in North America. Therefore, in a depression-type situation, the suffering would be more intense in Europe than in less populated areas (less to go around with more people). It's a difficult situation. One wishes to rejoin the Europeans as they eventually move toward nationalistic/ethnic European protectionism, however the challenges to everyday living give pause.
Our WWII veterans thought they were heroes, saving America, only to be unkowing accomplices in it's destruction.
So very true. I see far too many Americans boasting of their 'accomplishments' and 'morality' of their WWII efforts on a constant basis, and I pity and detest them for their narrow-minded and indoctrinated beliefs.
We feel Europe, with all it's problems still represents hope for the White race.
Agreed. This is why I so strongly encourage those of European ancestry to invest and purchase land in their nations.
There is no easy solution. While I do not see it as an easier lifestyle in Europe, it is fairly safe to say that life in Europe would be more culturally and socially fulfilling, especially to those who take pride in their heritage.
Your wife is Polish (good people), are you of similar heritage? Beautiful country, proud people.
2003-06-30 20:34 | User Profile
After thirteen generations in North America, my family and I are staying put, for good or ill. Why leave now, things are just starting to become interesting!!
2003-06-30 20:55 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Alka@Jun 30 2003, 15:15 * ** There is no easy solution. While I do not see it as an easier lifestyle in Europe, it is fairly safe to say that life in Europe would be more culturally and socially fulfilling, especially to those who take pride in their heritage.
Your wife is Polish (good people), are you of similar heritage? Beautiful country, proud people. **
Alka, I agree very much with Europe's advantage of being culturally and socially more fulfilling than Amerikwa's debased and degenerate "culture" and that's a big reason my wife and I are conteplating the move. We'll see what happens. I'd like to be out of here before the end of 2004 when the Bush dictatorship is reinstituted for another 4 years. Otherwise we may just look for a mountain side in upstate NY to set up camp while the cities burn to ashes. For the record, my wife is not Polish. I believe that was Ragnar's wife. My wife is European Spanish descent.
2003-06-30 21:16 | User Profile
My bad. Spanish are good people too, much pride in their heritage (plus).
2003-06-30 21:20 | User Profile
This is a good topic, x. The main problem in my situation is that my wife would never entertain leaving our present home (we live near a large city) even to move to another, more rural part of America, much less another country. So, be thankful that you and your wife are on the same page in this regard. I suspect that sooner or later you will be able to find a solution that will make both of you happy.
Apart from trying to get my wife to agree about the need to get away from the city, I think my main problem is trying to decide between the leaving the USA altogether, or moving to a more remote area inside the USA or Canada. Obviously in either case my highest priorty is moving somewhere that is 99% White or higher.
If we stay in north America, I've thought about going West maybe to Idaho, Montana, or Utah, but then again going West may not accomplish anything other than moving into the lion's den of Aztlan. Obviously even northern California is out of the question, although Oregon or Washington might be viable choices.
Another attactive possibility is Alaska. As far as I know, Alaska is nearly all White, and it has White countries on each of its borders (Canada and Russia). The problem with Alaska is I don't how easy it would be to survive there when social order finally breaks down in the continental United States (It seems to me that Alaska must be heavily dependent on resupply from the continental United States, but I guess I could be wrong in this respect).
Just about the Whitest part of the country I've ever been to is western Virginia (not West Virginia, the western part of Virginia).
As to Europe, I don't know how realistic that would be for me and my wife given that we're not wealthy and don't speak any language but English.
2003-07-01 01:49 | User Profile
Obviously even northern California is out of the question, although Oregon or Washington might be viable choices.
I used to think that too (although Neo and I WILL be moving back out to WA or ORE in another 5-6 years to escape the hell that is Atlanta: "the black capital of America" HA!), but then I read that our "beloved govt" has imported 20,000 Somalis into Seattle. (Fer cryin' out loud -- is there NO WHERE left in the US to be free of imported non-whites?!)
2003-07-01 02:27 | User Profile
VF:
If you move to Canada, I suggest Alberta. It's the least heavily taxed.
Out of curiousity, why doesn't your wife want to move?
2003-07-01 02:42 | User Profile
Originally posted by Edana@Jul 1 2003, 02:27 * *VF:
If you move to Canada, I suggest Alberta. It's the least heavily taxed.
Out of curiousity, why doesn't your wife want to move?**
The main reason is that my wife has lived here her entire life, and she doesn't want to move away from her family. But that's only part of it. The other, perhaps more fundamental reason, is that my wife tends to be apolitical, and she is not as racially aware as I am.
Anyway, thanks for the tip about Alberta. The more I think about it, the more it seems that going north is the way to go...now all I have to do is convince Mrs. Valley Forge...
2003-07-01 02:54 | User Profile
Well, I can understand her wanting to be near her family. In-laws are why we stay in this city, though this city isn't too bad in comparison to many. A lot of the neighborhoods are still very White and the pop density is low - for now.
My mum and dad are apolitical, but feeling the need to get out of Cali anyway. My dad made a funny joke a few months ago when he was pondering moving to the city we live in. He sez, "By the time I'm able to move up there, them Mexicans'll be hopping over that border too." He was perturbed because he moved up to Northern Cali from Southern Cali and found out that he still had to put up with bad Mexican drivers there. Poor Mexicans. No one appreciates the richness and diversity they bring.
2003-07-01 03:27 | User Profile
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2003-07-01 03:38 | User Profile
** Avalanche: (Fer cryin' out loud -- is there NO WHERE left in the US to be free of imported non-whites?!) **
The answer, as you well know, in a word or more is: no, non, ne, nyet, nein! Iââ¬â¢m not sure about Oregon but I have relatives in Washington and the consensus is that the state ought not be viewed as an ideal place to take up residence. Seattle has a fair-size black population and overall the entire Pacific North-West is teeming with Asian colonists. The Far-Easterners, though well behaved and doubtless an improvement over Africans, are present in large numbers (have been for while) and their contribution to White miscegenation rate is becoming disturbing. It seems that Americanization of second-generation Asian immigrants has succeeded in breaking down even that societyââ¬â¢s traditional intolerance of poor breeding practices. Naturally, the average Japanese/Korean/Chinese father, though unimpressed with his daughtersââ¬â¢ choice, finds it somewhat tolerable if she takes up with a white boy for the other alternative remains utterly unacceptable. There are no indications that the White man is as discerning vis-à-vis the mating habits of his scions. Equally disturbing is the large influx of Mexicans and all the benefits that usually accompany their arrival. Their presence here is already substantial and their growth rate makes nonsense of Caucasia-type dreams that some folks harbour for this region.
Bottom line: as concerning genetic material, wez all be Brazil (:dung:) within decades, with timing being the only uncertain variable. So if you donââ¬â¢t mind a few drops, by all means, come. From a sociological/anthropological standpoint, compared with Atlanta, youââ¬â¢ll benefit from a rich variety of hominids, representing the chief races as well as every conceivable intermediate hide shade and visage structure that the hairless ape is capable of producing. A veritable garden of diversity awaits your perusal! :crybaby:
2003-07-01 04:47 | User Profile
churbanowitz,
is a few weeks of -40 degree weather an antidote powerful enough against hindus? That alone sounds like a big plus.
2003-07-01 05:26 | User Profile
Yeah, the city I live in is pretty bland. We need more drug dealers and gangs, maybe a little overcrowding. Then it will be good and interesting.
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Then he suggests Hongcouver. Yes, I'm sure VF will love living in a place everyone calls Hongcouver for a reason.
2003-07-01 05:29 | User Profile
Edana,
I heard from a Canadian that Alberta is the best place to live in Canada -- safe and white (naturally). "Bland" when refering to safe "cultured" white communities is a multi-kulti-speak.
2003-07-01 05:36 | User Profile
It has a lot of Asians and Pakis, but is still pretty White compared to the other cities. Kinda like how the taxes still suck, but they're low compared to the other provinces.
Some neighborhoods are worse than others. Right now, we live in a high minority neighborhood because we decided to buy instead of rent for our first house. Therefore, it had to be cheap. We're saving up to move to the "better" (codeword for White) part of town.
The sad thing is we get a lot of propaganda hurled at us about the "redneck image" and how this city has "unattractive low population", and so we need more migrants.
I was wondering, since when the hell is a lower population unattractive? Isn't it the opposite? Who likes overcrowding and traffic? Anyone?
That's how bizarre the mult-cult propaganda has become. They've actually gone so far as to try to tell us that a lower population density is unattractive. Sad. I actually expect them to soon claim that we do need more gangs for some "healthy action" to "relieve the boredom" of low crime.
2003-07-01 07:59 | User Profile
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This 30-ton, 77 foot tall statue of the General looks down my way a few miles south and is an ever-present reminder of what men much better than me gave their very lives for.
Call me a hopeless romantic or maybe even a masochist, but I'm fighting for Texas and the Southland until they pry my shotgun from my cold, dead fingers. Raising two blue-eyed boys to carry on when I'm gone.
Remember Goliad. Remember the Alamo. God bless Texas, Louisiana and Alabama.
2003-07-01 11:28 | User Profile
Interesting thread! I've been contemplating a move myself, although I certainly won't be able to afford it for 5-6 years at least... which gives me plenty of time to consider where to move to. B) I've considered the following:
Eastern Oregon/Washington. The low-population desert areas are actually quite pleasant, as much of them as I've seen anyway. No jobs, though, as is the case with most small towns.
Small-town Midwest. Quite livable, again if you can find a job.
Canadia. A slight improvement from the USSA, but not much... however, it does have the advantage of nearness, and I have family in British Columbia. Some of the people there speak English, and although it's being overrun with asians, at least it's not blacks and mexicans.
Alaska. The high white male population (a great many of whom do blue-collar work for a living) keeps the state saner than the rest of the US. They are highly dependent on shipments of food and supplies from the contiguous states, but if that were disrupted by an internal conflagration, Canadia is right next door.
Hawaii. Largely non-white, but a beautiful island group with a relatively low crime rate. Very few congoids and mexicans there. Housing prices are outrageously expensive though.
Europe. Ireland, France, and Finland specifically, the nations of my ancestors. All decent places (even France once you get out of the metropoles), but there are the already-mentioned problems of employment, language, and gaining citizenship.
Russia. A place of white regeneration at present. And they're no longer as broke as they were 10 years ago. B) Very high white population, and as a bonus, jews are leaving in droves. Pretty much the same downsides as Europe, especially language.
Australia. I don't think people give Oz enough credit; the white population there is a lot more racially aware than America's, and the black population is all aborigine, who although not the best of people, are a ton better than our local congoids. The place is being overrun with asian gangs, but there's still hope. They also speak a language that resembles English enough that it shouldn't be too hard to pick up.
New Zealand. Incredible landscapes, low population density. I don't yet know enough about the political scene there, though.
These are pretty much the choices for any aspiring expat (the specific countries in Europe probably being different, of course).
By the bye, I disagree about it being safer to stay in mainland America and fight; the USSA will not militarily attack nuclear-armed Europe, but I don't think it improbable at all that the "Freedom Police" or whatever they plan to call our gestapo will be above laying it down on its own citizens, especially the 'unpatriotic'...
Drakmal
2003-07-01 13:21 | User Profile
**Drakmal wrote:
I disagree about it being safer to stay in mainland America and fight;....**
We are in this mess now because collectively we chose to duck out rather than stand up for our rights. We let them have the universities, the government and, now, the physical country itself. Don't you think it is time to stop running?
2003-07-01 13:28 | User Profile
Drakmal, France is a country my wife and I may end up living, if not Switzerland first. I currently have a business client just outside of Paris who wants me to work in her company, but my wife has a better chance of being transferred to Geneva and probably a better salary. I'd rather go to France. It all might happen by the end of 2004, I hope. You're right though, outside of the city centers, France is extraordinarily beautiful and beaucoup White. They get alot of bad press of course, in the dumbed down US mass media, but don't believe it. As many problems as France does have, in particular Muslims, it's not as bad as here. Services and salaries in Europe may not be up to the US standards, but what I'm getting at in this topic thread is that sooner than we may think, our standard of living is going to take a dramatic nosedive. It's inevitable.
The saying in Europe is that "we work in order to live" whereas in the States it's "we live in order to work". Big difference in attitude and the contrast is apparent to those who travel around. Yes, the workers of the United States have built the strongest economy, but for what and more importantly for Whom?? What's the American White man's benefit of "living to work"? Does he enjoy life?
The United States has way too many beastial, savage negroes, dirty violent Hispanics, the pernicious deadly Jewish Cabal and all the rest of the Third World hordes who, in many cases, live better than us White Americans. I've never seen anything like this First World abomination that is the United States. Too many people living a deadly LIE. This is unacceptable. This is why I'm so angry at this place. For White people, to be forced to move out into rural areas is also unacceptable. It offers no community whatsoever. Isolation and alienation. We built these cities here. We belong in the cities and the garbage races should be sent to the woods, reflecting their jungle instincts and outta sight, outta mind. Our cities should reflect the cities of Europe. White people were kicked out of our own cities, destroying a precious cohesiveness which is the vanguard of healthy society. That is why me and my wife would like to just get out of here and return to our ancestral homelands, where I actually feel like I'm part of the culture at least. America is a miserably failed experiement of social degeneracy. Our government has blatantly, carelessly, and unremorsefully turned its back on White people.
Wayland, thanks for the links to Escape Artist. Excellent site.
Valley Forge, I hope it works out. If you live near a large city, Philadelphia?, then eventually you'll NEED to move for survival purposes.
Everyone has posted great ideas, I thank you for participating.
2003-07-01 13:50 | User Profile
*Originally posted by rban@Jul 1 2003, 08:23 * ** Low density IS bad, high density is better for a simple reason. Low density means urban sprawl, with strip malls & expressways & cookie cutter suburbs. An unhealthy overdependence on the automobile. Edana's redneck province thinks that since it has lots of oil, it's OK to kill the entire planet with emissions and foster an urban population that is obsessed with their cars. No public transit to speak of, and people all carry shotguns & drink all the time. And then get behing the wheel of their pickups. What a bunch o yahoos.
The opposite of bland is vibrant...and by vibrant we mean a healthy downtown core with lots of public transit, pedestrian friendly, and with amenities like green space, interesting architecture, funky coffee shops, and cool warehouses converted into lofts for business and residential purposes. Maybe, Edana, if you had something called culture and sophistication you would understand.
And BTW stop spouting racial epithets. **
Rban, aside from your useless slur against Edana, what you state in your post, I actually agree with and I've been telling this to friends and stranger alike for years. That is the way cities in Europe operate and that is why my wife and I want to emigrate there since it will never happen in the United States of America.
Theeee ONLY, and I mean ONLY way that a scenario of a healthy downtown urban life and a weaning off the overdependency on the auto can EVER happen and thrive, is in a country or city where 98% of it's population is WHITE. Period. I don't care what the other 2% consists of, but American White people will not give up their cars and take trolleys(there are none here anyway except SF), buses, trains nor live in cities where massive amounts of non-Whites live. Period. End of Story.
Now please apologize to Edana.
2003-07-01 14:28 | User Profile
For the 1st time in years, Rban said something I agreed with. Victoria, BC is the prettiest place I've ever been. Not just the scenery and the city - but the people. Gorgeous Brits walking around everywhere.
350K people, beautiful....nice weather. It's Canuck of course, but hey - isn't that better than Los Angeles?
-Jay
2003-07-01 15:58 | User Profile
Originally posted by rban@Jul 1 2003, 07:23 * *Low density IS bad, high density is better for a simple reason. Low density means urban sprawl, with strip malls & expressways & cookie cutter suburbs. An unhealthy overdependence on the automobile. Edana's redneck province thinks that since it has lots of oil, it's OK to kill the entire planet with emissions and foster an urban population that is obsessed with their cars. No public transit to speak of, and people all carry shotguns & drink all the time. And then get behing the wheel of their pickups. What a bunch o yahoos.
The opposite of bland is vibrant...and by vibrant we mean a healthy downtown core with lots of public transit, pedestrian friendly, and with amenities like green space, interesting architecture, funky coffee shops, and cool warehouses converted into lofts for business and residential purposes. Maybe, Edana, if you had something called culture and sophistication you would understand.
And BTW stop spouting racial epithets.**
rban, your ignorance is shining through my monitor like the morning sun is now bursting through the window. I think I need to put on my shades.
No public transit? I live across from this thing called the "C-Train" and a "Bus Stop". This is a one car household. How do you think I get around?
The green space in this city is one of the reasons I like it. I don't see green space in LA. It's so crowded that any green space needs to be torn out to make more freeway and buildings. Whereas here, I can go downtown and walk a block down and there is a clean river with people boating in it and walking/biking trails around. This city has biking and nature trails even going through the middle of it. See that in LA? Nope.
I'm not going to apologize for using the word "Paki". They're from Pakistan. There is no reason why "Paki" should be considered offensive. I see it as another situation where the PC drones just suddenly decided it's offensive just to keep Whites feeling constantly guilty and paranoid about whether they are offending someone by not using the "correct" language. Kind of like how the Jews suddenly decided that the word "Jew" is a slur, or how negroes decided that "negro" is a slur, and how mestizos change their mind on what the correct word to describe them every month. Freakin' ridiculous.
2003-07-01 17:23 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Edana@Jul 1 2003, 09:58 * ** I'm not going to apologize for using the word "Paki". They're from Pakistan. There is no reason why "Paki" should be considered offensive. I see it as another situation where the PC drones just suddenly decided it's offensive just to keep Whites feeling constantly guilty and paranoid about whether they are offending someone by not using the "correct" language. Kind of like how the Jews suddenly decided that the word "Jew" is a slur, or how negroes decided that "negro" is a slur, and how mestizos change their mind on what the correct word to describe them every month. Freakin' ridiculous. **
Ya know, I never thought much about the word "Paki," before, but now that I know how much it bothers rban, I'm going to use it a lot more.
Paki Paki Paki Paki Paki Paki Paki Paki Paki Paki Paki Paki Paki :lol:
2003-07-01 17:26 | User Profile
Originally posted by rban Not a nigra in sight very next post.. And BTW stop spouting racial epithets. **
Hey rban, people in glass turbans shouldn't throw stones.
xm, Rural France is beautiful, and the population density of France is low by European standards. You risk a fine if you say France has too many mosques though! (Brigitte Bardot has been prosecuted three times). One peculiarity of France is that because of their technocratic town planning, the run down immigrant strongholds tend to be in the suburbs instead of the town centres. A research holiday would be a good idea, there are alot of minor differences to trip up the unaware. For instance, property laws and taxes in France lead to low rates of home ownership, which some people might care about. And then there are the strikes. :rolleyes:
It's sad in a way, but understandable, to hear people deciding to leave their own place for reasons such as immigration, which the majority don't even support. Good luck with whatever you decide.
2003-07-01 18:01 | User Profile
Interesting thread.... if this question were posted say, 15 years ago, South Africa, with its active white immigrant recruitment, would have been one the first options...
Now it's gotta be one of the last.
2003-07-01 18:04 | User Profile
I personally wouldn't move to Alberta, but that's just me. Too cold for too long, too dry, lots of aboriginals 70 thousand+ (fastest growing pop. of as well in Canada), not known as one of Canada's friendlier provinces. I prefer the moisture of the coasts and the wetter interiors of BC.
BUT whatever you do, don't move to Hongcouver!! It is infested with hordes of Asians who outnumber all European ethnics and the crime rate is terrifying (car theft capital of the world). I moved out of that fetid city not only because was the crime and the pollution and the total lack of civility and the awful drivers were all getting to me, but so was the smell - and I'm not kidding. If you ever visit Hongcouver in summer you can literally smell the Asian immigrants: unpleasant to say the least. And they spit everywhere, the sidewalks are dotted with tiny little slime puddles they leave behind them... yuck.
And the saddest thing in the world is that Vancouver was a totally different city fifteen years ago, until they opened the floodgates to the world's worst trash. It used to be like Victoria is today. So very sad - truly taught us British Columbians the joys of diversity let me tell you... blech.
My sister, and my husband and I, live in Victoria (right now on the mainland but temporarily). It is a primarily white city and is very European in flavour, safe at night, excellent transit. It is the capital so it is very easy to obtain government services without standing in line for hours, there is a university, airport, excellent hospital services. The outskirts of the city are very affordable and you can still purchase a surprising amount of land on the island for a reasonable price. I recommend all white nationalists to move here ASAP!! :th:
It's funny Wayland recommends EscapeArtist... I used to read his Belize section and dream, land is fairly reasonable.
If I were going to live in Europe I'd live in Croatia (Hrvatska [of course]). However, if I had to make a second choice I'd pick from Poland, Spain, Slovenia, Portugal... perhaps even Ireland or Iceland.
2003-07-01 19:05 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Leveller@Jul 1 2003, 12:26 * ** xm, One peculiarity of France is that because of their technocratic town planning, the run down immigrant strongholds tend to be in the suburbs instead of the town centres. A research holiday would be a good idea, there are alot of minor differences to trip up the unaware. For instance, property laws and taxes in France lead to low rates of home ownership, which some people might care about. And then there are the strikes. :rolleyes:
It's sad in a way, but understandable, to hear people deciding to leave their own place for reasons such as immigration, which the majority don't even support. Good luck with whatever you decide. **
Leveller, yes, I am aware of the French town planners sending the dirtier elements out into the suburbs and keeping their city centres in excellent condition. I find that to be brilliant French thinking. Many other Euro countries have the same policy. I have travelled through France and I only wish the United States had similiar a similiar policy for it's own cities and towns. It makes more sense. How much waterfront, downtown and historic properties are rendered useless because they're overrun with human garbage blighting huge swaths of good real estate? I hate seeing it. You create something worthwhile and uplifting for residents and tourists alike. I am urban by nature and I don't want to live in far reaching suburbs or rural areas where, although pleasant and naturally beautiful, lack culture and social outlets which I thrive on. Neither do I like living in urban Amerikwa 2003 style in spite of cultural and social outlets. I'm sure many of us here know the dilemma.
**Interesting thread.... if this question were posted say, 15 years ago, South Africa, with its active white immigrant recruitment, would have been one the first options...
Now it's gotta be one of the last. **
EDUMAKATEDMOFO, If indeed we did move to South Africa back in it's good old apartheid days, my wife and I would find ourselves these days boiling in a pot right now to be served as dinner to bone-thru-the-nose black savages. Thing is, the same South African-styled downfall is coming here, to the USA, I'd say, less than 15 years from now.
Hongcouver..... and the awful drivers were all getting to me.....
Alka, :lol: They ARE the world's worst drivers. Ever notice how many bicycle riders there are in China?
2003-07-01 20:24 | User Profile
X,
I had the privledge of living in Germany for several years back in 1990's. It was absolutely wonderful to be living there and being part of new European openness. My paternal gggrandparents came from Germany, so I was happy to be able to see the old 'homeland'. However, after getting out into the major cities, I found that there was a lot of immigration from the 3rd World into those parts who began changing the community. It was disturbing indeed. I soon found myself doing the same thing I do here in the states--stay in my own area. So, I became almost a prisoner there. I became very disappointed and so off I went back to the US. I eventually moved to Guam and found that hot island a wonderful place to live. It is rather hard to get work and prices are pretty high. Food is normally brought in frozen, so fresh meats are hard to come by. But through all my travels, Guam remains a favorite of mine to move to as there are virtually no browns except the Guamanians already there. If you have to live in a flooded goo of brown, they are the some of nicest people and pleasant to be around. Of course, that was back in 1993, so things, people and their society may have changed. And, I may have had a wonderful experience.
However, I have come to the conclusion that Down Under and Kiwiland may be the best places to go, if you are an American because they really like Americans. They speak English and many of the cities and people are very friendly and love to befriend an American.
I hear your concerns about the US and agree entirely. I have two small daughters, whom I want to grow up in a society that is friendly towards them as part European. The US doesn't seem to be European friendly anymore. In addition, I really want to have grandchildren that are from my culture and background. If I continued to stay here in the US, there is a huge possibility that my descendents could either become minorities or be ruled be such.
Either way, I don't like those odds. Australia or New Zealand for me.
2003-07-02 13:40 | User Profile
I don't want to keep bumping this topic, but I just wanted to follow up with all of you on the latest developments. Simply, I've been offered a job in France with a company which I'm currently doing business with from here in NY. It's a small company involved in supplying the aerospace and medical industry....kinda the same thing I'm doing now. She's retiring in 2-3 years and would sponsor me for resident alien. I expressed to her my desire for living in Europe and she came back to me with a whole offer....actually even selling me on the benefits of living in France....food, security, beauty, culture, proximity, etc, etc. It's about 60 miles northwest of Paris. Never been to that part of France, but if it's like other banlieues (think suburbs, but not in the American style. Merely less populated with pristine dense village square) I've been to in France, then it's definitely something my wife and I are going to pursue. It looks like it will be May 2004. I'll keep y'all posted. And, I'll always be on OD no matter where I am!
2003-07-02 14:49 | User Profile
I'm glad this worked out for you and your wife. Best of luck with the move and everything. Keep us updated! B)
2003-07-02 15:16 | User Profile
Do you get to 'try before you buy' xmetalhead? France is a big country by European standards so it difficult to make absolute statements, but if you find an urban area without a mosque that's a pretty good sign ;)
2003-07-02 15:34 | User Profile
Gaeil, I hope to visit France again later this year, Oct.-Nov. I know there are many, many Muslims in the outer rings of Paris and also in Marseille, but from what I've seen through travelling there, the smaller cities have very few non-Whites. It's a big move and a big decision. We'll see where it goes. A country like France, and other European countries, can have national strike by thousands of functionnaires and not collapse into chaos. A similiar strike in the United States would cause civil destabilization and chaos faster than you can strike a match.
Alka, thank you!
2003-07-11 03:13 | User Profile
Originally posted by Alka@Jun 30 2003, 12:44 * > Sorry to say, jay, I disagree. Australia is eagerly and intently oggled by greedy hordes of grossly overpopulated Asian countries, especially China. In this respect I fully agree with triskelion*. Australia is the one place I would never move to, for this reason, and for the other reason that the land (although beautiful) is increasingly unproductive and infertile due to salt corruption. **
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The racial make-up of Australia is 95% European,4% Asian and 1% other(including Aboriginals).This is in addition to the very restrictive immigration policies put in place a few years ago.
Eastern Australia,where the vast majority of people live,is basically settlements built on a rainforest-like environment with beaches on your doorstep.
A good choice of places to live is any NSW coastal town in close proximity to Sydney if one is interested in the arts(Opera House,Art galleries etc).Melbourne or Adelaide are also good choices.
Any foreigner who comes here is surprised by just how overwhelmingly white the place is compared to ANY western country.
The real downsides are gun-control,not that guns arent freely available,and proximity to the rest of the world.
2003-07-11 03:42 | User Profile
*Originally posted by madrussian@Jun 30 2003, 11:48 * ** who's going to pay taxes to pay educational, healthcare, policing etc. costs for all the invading hordes of mestizos? Your civic duty is to learn to love multi-kulti and hate yourself (and subsidize all the wonderful new Americans).
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Love it Madrussian. I have actually heard others say similar things like that to me when I talk about leaving the US again.
It does sound interesting if all the whites suddenly left the US and relocated to the land of their ancestors, with the immediate collapse of the multi-culti society in the US.
The 'brain drain' should happen. The only problem is that sooner or later one of our 'comrades' will fall prey to a non-white and will be somehow 'find the light' and protest for a multicultural society again. In addition, I bet there is so many multiculturalized families within the WN that will pressure the 'cousin' into allowing them to visit our land once again and will somehow protest and say again they have rights to stay. It's one big cycle.
2003-07-11 03:46 | User Profile
*Originally posted by EDUMAKATEDMOFO@Jul 1 2003, 12:01 * ** Interesting thread.... if this question were posted say, 15 years ago, South Africa, with its active white immigrant recruitment, would have been one the first options...
Now it's gotta be one of the last. **
True. I would have loved to go there. I heard that it was absolutely beautiful there and the wildlife (not the blacks) is abundant and wonderful to watch. In addition, life was easy. But, not anymore. Little babies are being raped (but that was happening back then by those nasty monkeys) and people are dying left and right. Too bad nobody has found the secret genetic code that would stop the monkey's from breeding.
2003-07-11 03:49 | User Profile
Originally posted by s_guy+Jul 10 2003, 21:13 -->
QUOTE (s_guy @ Jul 10 2003, 21:13 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Alka@Jun 30 2003, 12:44 * > Sorry to say, jay, I disagree. Australia is eagerly and intently oggled by greedy hordes of grossly overpopulated Asian countries, especially China. In this respect I fully agree with triskelion*. Australia is the one place I would never move to, for this reason, and for the other reason that the land (although beautiful) is increasingly unproductive and infertile due to salt corruption.ÃÂ ** **
The racial make-up of Australia is 95% European,4% Asian and 1% other(including Aboriginals).This is in addition to the very restrictive immigration policies put in place a few years ago.
Eastern Australia,where the vast majority of people live,is basically settlements built on a rainforest-like environment with beaches on your doorstep.
A good choice of places to live is any NSW coastal town in close proximity to Sydney if one is interested in the arts(Opera House,Art galleries etc).Melbourne or Adelaide are also good choices.
Any foreigner who comes here is surprised by just how overwhelmingly white the place is compared to ANY western country.
The real downsides are gun-control,not that guns arent freely available,and proximity to the rest of the world. **
I was thinking about James Cook University for a grad school in either Cairns or Townsville. What I've read on the place was that it is a very good place to raise children. I am hoping that by 2005, there won't too many more muslims and asians hitting the shores and immigrating there. What do you think about Northern Queensland?
s_guy
2003-07-11 04:01 | User Profile
Originally posted by Lady_America@Jul 10 2003, 21:49 * I was thinking about James Cook University for a grad school in either Cairns or Townsville. What I've read on the place was that it is a very good place to raise children. I am hoping that by 2005, there won't too many more muslims and asians hitting the shores and immigrating there. What do you think about Northern Queensland?*
Cairns is warm,tropical and gets alot of tourists.It would be a good place to raise kids,as long as you like really warm weather and arent afraid of crocodiles.James Cook is a good university.
If its ratio of white to non-white that is most important,i'd suggest Tasmania.Total opposite of Northern Queensland weather-wise,but 99.9% white....not sure about the quality of Universities there. :taz:
weisbrot
2003-07-11 17:50 | User Profile
Your meaning is quite clear, and I don't entirely disagree, but I have to wonder how this choice-
Originally posted by la foudre folle@Jul 11 2003, 13:31 * ...a vague feeling of insecurity, ennui, dissatisfaction and, of course, monetary obsessions---all of which will somehow be treated, if not cured, by setting up housekeeping elsewhere.*
-is any more sterile, rootless or denatured than this one:
...the ausonian solution is the only way to go--hunker down behind the garden gates and live well among the books and music; eat drink and be merry and-so-on-and-so-forth.
Irony intended and so on and so forth, but the hunker down option isn't the only one left nor the only desireable one. Or the most productive.
Maybe I'm wrong, but few of the options explored revolve around the importance of raising children. Likewise very few of the comments mention education and nurture of kids being of primary importance in selection of a homeland- perhaps pointing up the sterility of the choices you decry. By the way, such an orientation would also serve to make the eat-drink-merry option you apparently prefer (if only by default) impractical if not impossible. Ask any parent.
You are correct to imply that soil and blood are paramount. I also wonder why so many are willing to give up the soil, but I'm completely perplexed by the apparent lack of concern about our blood- the subject of children and their importance to white nationalism is ignored on this board.
madrussian
2003-07-11 18:45 | User Profile
What better demonstrates the lack of sense of blood and soil, embracing (or at least non-resistance) of multi-kulti by white majority, or the desire to escape the multi-kulti hell? I see at least sense of blood in the second sentiment, while the first causes the inevitable loss of both blood and soil. Major battles have been already lost without fighting. Now it's more about cutting your losses and starting anew (here in the US, or elsewhere).
xmetalhead
2003-07-11 19:22 | User Profile
*Originally posted by la foudre folle@Jul 11 2003, 12:31 * ** xmetalhead,
Thank you for inspiring this very revealing thread. For those of us who wonder why the "resistance" seems incapable of resisting a mouse, let alone mere total destruction, this thread is very helpful.
It demonstrates how thoroughly denatured white Americans really are. It proves the common European complaint that we have no culture and the ancient world's complaint that we have no civilization.
There is no sense of soil or blood--except a tiny, heroic squeak from TexasDissident--in any of the responses. There is only a vague feeling of insecurity, ennui, dissatisfaction and, of course, monetary obsessions---all of which will somehow be treated, if not cured, by setting up housekeeping elsewhere.
Forget the fact that almost no one on the thread has the slightest notion of how truly different living conditions in Europe are from the United States--that's only ignorance which can be easily overcome. And I'm not referring to physical living conditions! (The physical living conditions of post-France, France are still superior to the average American physical living conditions in almost every way.) No, it's the general sterility of the longing and hope that engrosses me.
At least it has helped me to accept that the ausonian solution is the only way to go--hunker down behind the garden gates and live well among the books and music; eat drink and be merry and-so-on-and-so-forth. **
La Foudre Folle, Crazy Thunder Love, or whatever you prefer, I am very quite aware of the lifestyle differences between Europe and the United States, and I've posted the same sentiments on different threads.....the differences are quite drastic and many or most Americans travelling to Europe, especially France, are just not intellectually equipped to acknowledge and respect a culture and sophistication so different from their own. Sadly, the United States should be a reflection of European culture, but it's really not....at least not any longer.
Blood and soil? They fcking sold out every White person in this country by viciously overturning every ideal, philosophy, lifestyle, moral, aesthetic that Whites held dear and lived by and had existed in this country long before the Alien Usurpation. And, they did it all without MY vote. Nor my parents vote. Nor my grandparents vote. What the fck do I owe these Serpents? This ain't our country anymore and this ain't Kansas either. It's Amerikwa.
This place is being set up for collapse; got nuthin' to gain by waiting to be slaugthered regardless of good food, good wine, and a good lay.
Yea, I need a drink.
Ragnar
2003-07-11 22:46 | User Profile
*Originally posted by weisbrot@Jul 11 2003, 17:50 * ** You are correct to imply that soil and blood are paramount. I also wonder why so many are willing to give up the soil, but I'm completely perplexed by the apparent lack of concern about our blood- the subject of children and their importance to white nationalism is ignored on this board. **
About giving up the soil: Give a look at J.P.Mallory's In Search of the Indo-Europeans: Language, Archaeology and Myth for how Euro-mobility has existed since prehistoric times, at least from the archaeological record. Sacred soil is a wonderfully poetic concept that Europeans have honored in the breach since antiquity. Packing off to new horizons is in fact our most enduring cultural/racial trait.
As far as the young 'uns go, that concern seems implicit in the whole thread. If indeed America is rapidly becoming a Third World hell, with the uncertainty and wanity implied by the term, getting the children to relative safety is paramount.
The truly bad choice here might be hunkering down in the USA as it becomes a newer and bigger version of South Africa. And at least the majority of posters seem to agree on this point. It seems to be an unexceptionable point unless it's suddenly a duty to become martyrs. As xmetalhead has correctly pointed out, none of us had a choice in any of this.
Lane
2003-07-11 23:41 | User Profile
Originally posted by Texas Dissident@Jul 1 2003, 01:59 * *[img]http://www.samhoustonstatue.com/statue.jpg[/img]
This 30-ton, 77 foot tall statue of the General looks down my way a few miles south and is an ever-present reminder of what men much better than me gave their very lives for.
Call me a hopeless romantic or maybe even a masochist, but I'm fighting for Texas and the Southland until they pry my shotgun from my cold, dead fingers. Raising two blue-eyed boys to carry on when I'm gone.
Remember Goliad. Remember the Alamo. God bless Texas, Louisiana and Alabama.**
Call me a hopeless romantic or maybe even a masochist, but I'm fighting for Texas and the Southland until they pry my shotgun from my cold, dead fingers. Raising two blue-eyed boys to carry on when I'm gone.
I like your attitude!
I would add that I'm more of a mind to visualize me prying the shotgun from the cold, dead fingers of my enemies, than the reverse.
Lady_America
2003-07-12 00:00 | User Profile
**As far as the young 'uns go, that concern seems implicit in the whole thread.ÃÂ If indeed America is rapidly becoming a Third World hell, with the uncertainty and wanity implied by the term, getting the children to relative safety is paramount.ÃÂ
The truly bad choice here might be hunkering down in the USA as it becomesÃÂ a newer and bigger version of South Africa.ÃÂ And at least the majority of posters seem to agree on this point.ÃÂ It seems to be an unexceptionable point unless it's suddenly a duty to become martyrs.ÃÂ As xmetalhead has correctly pointed out, none of us had a choice in any of this.**
It is very interesting that when I do talk to others about 'vacating' once was a promising country to raise my children, I get some bad talk about staying and fighting. Back in the 60's and 70's when growing up, I was a child when all of laws were passed that would eventually take away many of my rights and freedoms I would have had as an adult, like many of you had, if you are about the same age. Freedom from fear of walking streets or going into certain parts of towns and cities. But, this government has let me down in that area and in so many areas they are too numerous to list. Now as an adult, I wish to move on and not let the government take control of my own children.
This government wants my child in a state school to start teaching how not to repress homosexual desires at 5, as what I read is happening in Boston public schools. The government wants my child to recognize that the 'white man' is responsible for repression of many people of the earth and that without the 'white man' life would have been happier for others, as the curriculum is written and distributed by multiculturalist organizations responsible for supplying local schools, community centers, etc. The government will also want my daughters to one day be drafted into military service to service some nasty African state STILL unstable due to their excuse--the WHITE MAN. Those are only a few reasons why I want to protect MY children from this government.
Do I want to have to leave? Nah. Not really. Because I was born here and raised here. It was my home, however, but not now. It is the immigrant home. The immigrant not from Europe, but from south of the border or Asia or better yet for the rainbox coalition and many in Congress from Africa not wanting the Mexicans to get complete power. So, Congress has emphasized LOTS of African immigration. America was once my home. It is not now.
I want for my children, white men for suitors. I want for my children, schools that teach pride in being white, not 'disgust'. I want for my children safety in school and on the street, not fear of an impending danger from an immigrant, an angered white child, or some home-grown black and African black who hates society because he lacks the aptitude and potential to become better and blames his limitations on the 'white man'.
So, I will take my young children out of here. One day, the US will be a cesspool of muck and goo where there is encouragement for the blonde to copulate with the black or brown. (Check out cereal boxes, games, cartoons, and commercials--they are loaded with black boys and men next to white females.) I don't want that. The government does...and so do the multiculturalists, the companies, the social services, etc. I don't want my children to become comfortable around the gays, the minorities and the like. I don't want my children to idolize non-white and speak in broken English. This is the America of today.
So, I leave with my head up. And, for those who argue that I should stay and fight--not with my children's future lives at stake, I will not. They are the best chance for nationalism for when we are gone they will step up to 'bat'. And, when they do, they won't be talking 'ebonics' with some mexican thrown in listening to rap and dancing to hip-hop. They will be, and if I have my say, proper children America once knew and saw before the destruction of America started.
Regards.
Lady
Ruffin
2003-07-12 00:14 | User Profile
weisbrot:> ....the subject of children and their importance to white nationalism is ignored on this board.
I find myself very contemptuous of Americans in general. If not for my children I'd certainly disavow any connection to "my people". At the very least I'd go the way of a Fred Reed and finish my life as if nothing else mattered. Those children though... they're the ONLY reason I care a whit about anything.
Texas Dissident
2003-07-12 00:17 | User Profile
Originally posted by Lane@Jul 11 2003, 18:41 * I would add that I'm more of a mind to visualize me prying the shotgun from the cold, dead fingers of my enemies, than the reverse.*
You're right, Lane. I should've added, "Remember [url=http://www.lsjunction.com/events/jacinto.htm]San Jacinto[/url]!"
Measured by its results, San Jacinto was one of the decisive battles of the world. The freedom of Texas from Mexico won here led to annexation and to the Mexican War, resulting in the acquisition by the United States of the States of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, California, Utah, and parts of Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas and Oklahoma. Almost one-third of the present area of the American nation, nearly a million square miles of territory, changed sovereignty.
Avalanche
2003-07-13 05:12 | User Profile
**Lady America: So, I leave with my head up. And, for those who argue that I should stay and fight--not with my children's future lives at stake, I will not. **
Go WHERE? What country can you find on this groaning globe where you will NOT be overrun by hordes of immigrants? New Zealand? You haven't been following the news - - they're being invaded and overrun and the 'objectors' are being vilified! Australia? Where the govt disarms you and then stands by helpless as THEIR arab immigrants rape and sodomize white girls? (And it's a hate crime to point it out?)
You CAN'T escape it -- it's everywhere! All that's LEFT to us is to educate and awaken our OWN children, protect them from the govt to the extent we can, and prepare for the coming destruction!
Where do you think you can go and be safe?
Edana
2003-07-13 15:18 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Raina@Jul 11 2003, 17:30 * ** Blood & soil are paramount? So why did nationalism in Europe never catch on until the 19th century?
That's what I've never understood about some race nationalists. They claim to be inspired by old Europe. But back for almost all of its history, there was no nationalism in Europe. Feudalism, yes, but not nationalism.
There was also no concept of "race" in the sense that you guys use it. **
Before the Nation, there was the Tribe and Peoplehood.
Before the scientific word "race", there was always the concept of different "peoples", ancestral lines, and breeds.
Lady_America
2003-07-13 17:33 | User Profile
Originally posted by Avalanche@Jul 12 2003, 23:12 * ** > *Lady America:ÃÂ So, I leave with my head up. And, for those who argue that I should stay and fight--not with my children's future lives at stake, I will not. **
Go WHERE? What country can you find on this groaning globe where you will NOT be overrun by hordes of immigrants? New Zealand? You haven't been following the news - - they're being invaded and overrun and the 'objectors' are being vilified! Australia? Where the govt disarms you and then stands by helpless as THEIR arab immigrants rape and sodomize white girls? (And it's a hate crime to point it out?)
You CAN'T escape it -- it's everywhere! All that's LEFT to us is to educate and awaken our OWN children, protect them from the govt to the extent we can, and prepare for the coming destruction!
Where do you think you can go and be safe? **
Actually, I have been following the news. It is dismal everywhere, including Australia and New Zealand. But, there has been at least some progress in preventing the flow of most both legal and illegal immigration into those countries. And, the only way into those countries for most illegal immigrants is by boat, unlike Europe and US where there is the 'land bridge'. So, if there is any chance that this country can be saved, then there can be a return. Just like many other countries where there are those that leave for a better life for their children who eventually return for their children who is old enough to take your stand for their country.
I realize that that may be some folks who will say 'well you weren't here when we fought for the cause' and all that. But, there are those who battle and those who come in and lead. I am hoping that being far away from their country, they will be able to learn all they need away from the danger, than be indoctrinated and be part of the problem in order to help when they are finally called upon.
Our children are our hope for the future. Let us not make them part of the problem when the procreate with the enemy, thus have a bond with them and be in conflict with whom they will follow and serve with. My children's minds are not up for auction to sacrifice for either cause at this point. For surely, with peer pressure, the majority of children tend to gravitate to being accepted by those peers, whom many may not be the best role models for the movement.
Ragnar
2003-07-13 18:11 | User Profile
As far as "where" goes, it's not really necessary to find that all-white El Dorado. There are Anglo-American "enclaves" in odd places all over the world, and before we decided on our Eastern European ancestral homeland, the wife and I checked into several. Here's from our notes. It's been a few years so some of the information is probably outdated:
Cypress -- Thriving colonies of Brit ex-pats makes this a #1 choice for lots of reasonably well-off Americans. If you can run a business from a home office, anytime is good to go (most Brits wait for retirement, alas.) Friendly people, small-business-oriented and great weather.
Guatamala -- I think this was (is?) the writer Joyce Maynard's choice and lots are joining. Again, specific American and Brit communities exist which are probably safer than many communities here in the USA -- or even Europe. Taxes practically non-existent if you know how to set up your biz right (Guatamala has one of NAFTA's biggest loopholes for those of you aware of how industrial America shot itself in the gonads.)
Argentina and Brazil -- Many Euro/Anglo communities in both, and quite safe, but for either you need plenty of up-front cash. These countries were the first choice of American celebrities and they pushed the prices way up. If you can afford either, particularly parts of Brazil, you can have paradise and that's no fooling.
Turkey -- On the believe-it-or-not list, I know. From the 80s on, Turkey made itself friendly to US business. If you can set up even a small shop hiring a dozen or so native Turks, the doors will open. This is a country I have practical experience with and the most tempting non-European destination. Lots of Anglos, Americans and Germans in safe and stable communities. The Turks themselves (the ones in industry anyway) are quite polite and forward looking. Forget stereotypes; Turkey is the best non-European country.
American Samoa and Elsewhere in the Pacific -- Several people I know have taken advantage of a few little-known trade laws and done well in these parts. For anywhere in Samoa, you must have family connections. Much of the Pacific is the same, including Australia if you are white. But if you have connections or can get some, it's paradise too.