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2003-06-30 01:43 | User Profile
Dispensationalism From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Dispensationalism is a school of Bible interpretation that is associated with fundamentalist Christianity.
Dispensationalists believe that sacred history can be broken up into several different "dispensations," which mark separate covenants that God is thought to have made with humanity. Usually there are seven such dispensations:
Innocence - Adam Conscience - After man sinned, up to the flood Government - After the flood, man allowed to eat meat, death penalty instituted Promise - Abraham up to Moses and the giving of the Torah Law - Moses to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ Grace - The cross to the Millennial Kingdom Millennial Kingdom - A 1000 year reign of Christ on earth centered in Jerusalem Dispensationalism therefore teaches that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will be a physical event, a miracle in which God intervenes directly in human history. As such, dispensationalism is associated with the circulation of end times prophecy, which professes to read omens of the Second Coming in current events.
Dispensationalism was proposed as a specific system by John Nelson Darby, founder of the Plymouth Brethren movement. It was popularised in the United States by Cyrus I. Scofield through the vehicle of his widely circulated Scofield Reference Bible, an annotated study Bible that taught dispensationalism as a system.
Dispensationalism has had a number of (arguably) positive effects on Protestantism, at least as it is practised in the United States of America. By consistently teaching that the Beast of Revelations, or the Antichrist, is a political leader, dispensationalism has weakened the traditional Reformation-era identification of that figure with the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church with the Whore of Babylon. Dispensationalism has led many evangelical Christians of the USA to temper their traditional anti-Catholicism, at least a little.
Likewise, John Nelson Darby taught, and most subsequent dispensationalists have consistently maintained, that God still considers the Jews his chosen people and continues to have a place for them in the dispensational, prophetic scheme of things. It is true that Darby's vision of the end times tells of terrible catastrophes that will befall the Jews and Israel, and that the Jews who survive will have accepted Jesus as the Messiah. At the same time, Darby's prophecies envision Judaism as continuing to exist, parallel to Christianity, literally to the End of Time, and that God has a separate track in the prophecies for Jews in addition to the prophecies for Christians. This teaching rejects the traditional Christian teaching of supersessionism, holding instead that Judaism is a separate covenant with God whose validity still holds, and even that the Jews remain God's chosen people in a sense, and remain the heirs to many of God's promises in the prophecies.
On the other hand, some dispensationalists, such as Jerry Falwell, have asserted that the Antichrist will be a Jew, based on a belief that the Antichrist will falsely seem to some Jews to fulfill prophesies of the Messiah more accurately than Jesus did. Not all Dispensationalists share this belief in any case.
Still, dispensationalism has many (arguable) drawbacks. It teaches that Christians should expect no good from earthly governments, and expect social conditions to decline as the end times draw nearer. Dispensationalist readings of prophecies often teach that the Antichrist will appear to the world as a peacemaker. This makes dispensationalists suspicious of human attempts to form international organisations for peace such as the United Nations, in a manner that seems hardly consistent with the Sermon on the Mount. Dispensationalists teach that churches that do not insist on Biblical literalism as they deem appropriate are in fact part of the Great Apostasy. This casts suspicion on attempts to create church organisations that cross denominational boundaries such as the World Council of Churches.
Dispensationalism as a school of Biblical interpretation is associated with a number of fundamentalist seminaries, of which the best known are the Dallas Theological Seminary and the Moody Bible Institute.
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DISPENSATIONALISM: a type of Biblical interpretation found among CHRISTIANS which divides GOD'S dealings with humans into "times" or "dispensations" characterized by unique opportunities and responsibilities. This view characterized the PLYMOUTH BRETHREN and was popularized in the Scofield Reference Bible published in 1910 and is very popular among FUNDAMENTALISTS.
2003-06-30 03:52 | User Profile
Originally posted by golfball@Jun 30 2003, 01:43 * *"Dispensationalism - I had to look it up"
Dispensationalism From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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Actually I've tried to get several threads going on dispensationalism, as you can see from this section. Generally though either they get ignored, or they're diverted into long off-topic generic Christian-Bashing by the National Bolshevic Alliance people, our defending, etc.
The most likely outcome here also. :y
2003-06-30 04:05 | User Profile
Okie,
I feel your pain :sm:
2003-06-30 07:21 | User Profile
The True Israel of God Dispensational or New Covenant Theology, Which is Right? Pastor K. Kirkland Valdez Apostolic Church, Valdez, Alaska
[Transcribed and edited from cassette tape. Preached in Florida, 1995]
The Jewish interpretation of history refers to the "first Temple period," which was the period of time before the destruction of Jerusalem in 600 BC. The temple was destroyed and the Jews were uprooted out of the land for their apostasy and idolatry, they had blended Babylonian witchcraft and sorcery into their religion. They were carried away, eventually a remnant returned during the "second Temple period" when they rebuilt the temple during the times of Ezra and Nehemiah. The second Temple period lasted until the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
According to the Jews there is an ongoing restoration where they are being restored back with God in the promised land, known as the Zionist restoration. They look forward to the Kingdom, the time when they will rule the world. Every Gentile will be their slave. They believe the Bible teaches this, the rabbis teach the same in their Talmud and Kabbalah.
Our Dispensational brethren today believe it much the same way. They see history in that very same pattern, but the only difference is they believe the Church is kind of a side show. The Church, a parenthesis, with all the action to take place among the Jews. The Dispensationalist believe there will be a pre-tribulation rapture that will swish them out of here while God turns back to his true love: the Zionist Restoration of the Jews. The purpose of the tribulation is supposedly to correct the many errors of the Jews these long years they have rejected God. They are to get straightened out during the tribulation, God, preparing them to rule the world during the millennium. Then, Jesus will be their king, and, they in turn will rule the rest of the world. The Dispensationalist doctrine is also the Pre-Trib doctrine.
I want to take a few minutes to drive home a very important point. Many don't seem to realize that when the rapture takes place is only one part of this. People are coming to the realization that there is not a pre-trib rapture. Thereââ¬â¢s not even a mid-trib rapture, but the Lord in fact comes after the Tribulation, and they feel like they have conquered all the End-Time issues. But that is only part of this truth. In fact pre-trib theory is actually but a subset of Dispensationalism. Dispensational doctrine is built and based upon how you view the church and how you view the Jew.
In the non-Dispensational belief of history and eschatology, indeed there was the "first temple" time period, and indeed the Jews did come back to Palestine. And there was a restoration. Where the non-Dispensationalist differ is this: Dispensational folks teach the restoration period is taking place right now, when in fact it has already happened. The Restoration mentioned in the many scriptures which the dispensational folks say is ongoing right now in the Middle East actually was fulfilled when the Jews were restored back to the land during pre-Christian times. The restoration to the land of Israel, however, was only the beginning, the Messiah was to complete it. The ultimate purpose in being brought back to the land was spiritual. See Ezekiel 37.
When Jesus came, there was more than just a restoration of the land, he dealt with the spiritual. Jesus Christ came to this earth on a spiritual mission. When Nicodemos dropped by, Jesus didnââ¬â¢t tell him anything about building some political KINGDOM and ruling the Jewish world. .He told him that unless he was born again he could not even see the KINGDOM OF GOD. The Jews belief about the kingdom of God today is the same as what they believed back then. Political, not spiritual.
They thought their Messiah would come and they would have political sovereignty over the world and they would rule the world through their Messiah, but when Jesus came he brought them nothing of the kind. He told Nicodemus in so many words, "You donââ¬â¢t even know what the Kingdom of God is, and except youââ¬â¢re born again you canââ¬â¢t even see it". Then he went a little bit further and expounded upon it and told him about the need to be baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost. No matter what else we might say about eschatology you must understand what the overriding theme really is.
The dispensationalist doctrine teaches that the Lord is going to rapture the church out and then the Jews, in the tribulation, will have a different form of doctrine and salvation. Gentiles? Well, their salvation is getting their heads cut off and all kinds of other theories. No, I want you to know that what Jesus said will stand and will continue to stand. "Except a man is born of the water and of the spirit he, cannot see the kingdom of God." Whether he is as Nicodemus, a Jew, Chinese or whatever he is, heââ¬â¢s got to be born into the Kingdom of God. The pre-trib theory has no bearing on it. There is only one plan of salvation and no one, Jew or Gentile, will be saved any other way.
`Jesus came to bring about a spiritual restoration. He brought the New Covenant into the world in his blood (Matt. 26:28). Through Jesus Christ, the Apostolic church is the new Israel of God. Jesus Christ himself was the true Israel. He was everything that Israel was supposed to be, but never was. They never lived up to what they were supposed to be, until Jesus came, and, he, as the promised seed of Abraham, was the true Israel. One of the metaphors the Jews used for their people was the vine (Jeremiah 2:21), but I want you to know when Jesus Christ came he made it clear that HE was the vine (John 15). He said, in effect, "I am the vine. Ye are the branches, I am the true Israel, the Israel of God." It doesnââ¬â¢t stop there, because the church is his body, he is the head of it. The church is therefore, also the Israel of God. It is the true Israel, the chosen people.
Jews and Dispensationalists use the term "chosen people" so loosely. Does anybody ever stop to think what Jews were chosen for? They were chosen to be a holy people - in the midst of a wicked, perverted and pagan world. They were chosen to be the witnesses of the One God in the midst of a world that believed in numerous gods. Thatââ¬â¢s what they were chosen for. They were chosen to bring forth the Messiah into the world. Now the church, the true church, has become the chosen people because we stand for these things (or should) - holiness and the oneness of God. Hear O, ISRAEL, hear O, Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord. The church is the new Israel, the true Israel of God.
These are some of the basic points of the pre-trib, dispensational theory. You need to really understand these basics. A lot of folks think that when you deal with prophecy, you have to get in there and start talking about horns and heads, and thunders. All that is not important until you understand who the church really is. If you get that right then you begin to interpret things in the book of Revelation right. Otherwise youââ¬â¢re going to come up with the wrong answers. The church is the true Israel of God.
In AD 70 the destruction of Jerusalem happened as Jesus prophesied it would, as Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy said that it would. The middle ages came and went, with all itââ¬â¢s confusion and darkness. Yet we are in the Apostolic church today and the church is still the true Israel of God. There will be a "catching away of the saints", but it will take place after the tribulation. The church is predestined from before the foundation of the world to play the chief role of the end times. We should feel awed because we have been selected to be part of the chosen people.
In the Millennium, the 1000 year period after the tribulation, the church replaces the synagogue just as the church replaced the law, along with the rest of their system, including their animal sacrifices. When Jesus Christ came, he terminated and abrogated the law. The church has replaced the old covenant. Let me say that again - the church has replaced the old covenant.
It is false doctrine to teach that perhaps thereââ¬â¢s a possibility the Jews can make it some other way. There is only one valid covenant, and it works, and the Bible doesnââ¬â¢t tell us about any other covenant to be given before the coming of the Lord. Any other suggestion is false doctrine. Red heifers and turtle doves wonââ¬â¢t do it. The old covenant is done away with. It has been replaced. You will spend a lot of time at the Christian book store looking at the prophecy shelf before you will find anything about what Iââ¬â¢m teaching. This pre-trib, dispensational stuff is what they are all promoting.
Unless you are grounded in the truth you will be deceived by all the rhetoric and fluff. I want you to know there is only ONE hope, ONE body, ONE spirit (Eph. 4:4). We are looking for that one blessed hope. That one "appearing of the great God and our Savior, Jesus Christ. Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works" (Titus 2:13, 14).
Thatââ¬â¢s the hope, the one hope, the only hope. There is no such thing as a different hope for the Jews. Hear me now, there is ONE body, thatââ¬â¢s the church. Do you know whatââ¬â¢s in that ONE body? Jews and Gentiles. In one body. Iââ¬â¢m not against the Jews, Iââ¬â¢m for them. I want them to get in the Kingdom of God - and be saved the one and only way.
As long as we teach there is a possibility they can be saved some other way, weââ¬â¢re not really their friends. When you read their secret material, youââ¬â¢ll find if there is any thing they are against itââ¬â¢s the "replacement" idea. They donââ¬â¢t care if we get the Holy Ghost or any other belief we may have, but if you believe that the church has replaced their covenant, friend, they really donââ¬â¢t like that. But, it's still the truth, nonetheless.
Letââ¬â¢s examine 3 major tenants of true eschatology (end times).
It should be based on Apostolic interpretation. Old testament prophecy is understood through the filter of the New Testament. Eschatology is based on the New Testament, not the Old. So many make the error of going back to read the prophecy of the Old Testament and bypass the New. Dispensational theory is based chiefly on the Old Testament, not what the apostles had to say.
Jesus Christ and the gospel have fulfilled and replaced the Abrahamic covenant. The Abrahamic covenant is no more unconditional than the New Covenant is. Obedience and faith has always been Godââ¬â¢s condition. There has never been any such thing as unconditional security. Adam and Eve found that out when the devil came along with his once saved always saved, unconditional security doctrine. He lied to them and they believed it. Dispensationalism is built on the lie of the devil. The devil himself found out he didnââ¬â¢t have eternal security when God kicked him out of heaven. But folks come along and teach that the Jews, because of what Abraham did, have unconditional security. Page after page of the prophecy of Jeremiah tells us that God did not let their theory stand. Jeremiah said God was going to uproot them. They never thought it could happen to them. But, they found out otherwise because of their apostasy.
Jesus Christ and the gospel fulfilled the prophesied Davidic covenant and kingdom, both now and in the future. The kingdom of God is not race, but grace. Thatââ¬â¢s really what this is all about. Did you ever stop to think how contrary to the mind of God, that just because you happen to be of a certain blood line, or think you are, somehow that makes you Godââ¬â¢s favorite child. Thatââ¬â¢s what Jews believe, and the dispensationalists believe it. Those who teach a pre-tribulation rapture believe it.
John 1:11-13 (11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not. (12) But as many as received him, (his own didnââ¬â¢t receive him, but as many as received him did) to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: (13) Which were born, not of blood (race or bloodline), nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Even to them which believe on his name.
Whether youââ¬â¢re Red, Black, Yellow, White, or Brown, whatever you are, itââ¬â¢s not blood line. Itââ¬â¢s not race. The law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by what? Jesus Christ (John 1:17). We are talking about TRUTH. Real truth did not arrive on the scene until Jesus came. The dispensationalists have failed to realize that the Holy Ghost is the key.
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Thatââ¬â¢s what the kingdom of God is and they havenââ¬â¢t seen that. You would think that our Apostolic brethren would not be following along after the Dispensationalists, we should know better. Donââ¬â¢t you believe that you must have the Holy Ghost? The kingdom of God is not "postponed," the kingdom of God is the church, ruled over by Jesus Christ. The Dispensationalists believe that the kingdom of God was postponed, the church is kind of an accident in history.
The modern state, the nation of Israel, is an impostor kingdom. Modern day Talmudic, Kabbalist, Judaism is not the same as Old Testament Judaism. Not so, neither by genealogy or by ideology. Theyââ¬â¢re not even true blood line descendants. It would take a while to prove that, but they are really not. Neither is their doctrine the same as what Moses taught and the Old Testament people of God believed. Their ideology is Kabbalist. Occult and pagan. Here you have one of the most unknown facts around, and if the Dispensationalist were to know what the Kabbalah has to say they would know the Jew's ideology HAS to be terribly wrong. Truth is, the ideology of modern day Judaism has more to do with satanic doctrine than it does the Old Testament. Jesus called it "the synagogue of Satan," Rev. 2:9, 3:9. Their anticipated kingdom will be the kingdom of antichrist.
K. Kirkland, Pastor - This article is Copyright é 1999, All rights reserved.
2003-06-30 16:49 | User Profile
I know that some toes will seem to feel they are stepped upon, but any church that has a mixed congregation inside follows after a strange god of integration.
From article posted John 1:11-13 (11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not. (12) But as many as received him, (his own didnââ¬â¢t receive him, but as many as received him did) to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: (13) Which were born, not of blood (race or bloodline), nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Even to them which believe on his name.
Whether youââ¬â¢re Red, Black, Yellow, White, or Brown, whatever you are, itââ¬â¢s not blood line. Itââ¬â¢s not race. The law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by what? Jesus Christ (John 1:17). We are talking about TRUTH. Real truth did not arrive on the scene until Jesus came. The dispensationalists have failed to realize that the Holy Ghost is the key.
This Kirkland fellow is an Apostate preacher. Ask this Kirkland fellow the meaning of Matthew 15:21-29 sometime and see what he says about Jesus coming here for ONLY the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL (White Adamic Race ). Race and Bloodline ARE VERY important ( Deuteronomy 23:2 ). This Kirkland individual is of the Laodicean church (Church of Human Rights - Strongs). Kirkland tries to imply race or blood is not to be applied when the White race ( Israel ) determines and seperates themselves from non-whites ( Non - Israelites ). The meaning of the text that is referenced, John 1:13, is referencing that those Israelites that seek God are His. This is what seperates the Sons of God from those Whites that reject God. This includes the Jews that forsake their father the devil, turn from the dead works and accept Jesus Christ, who is already born at that time of the verse under discussion. Those Jews that accept Christ and become Christians have the task to place an effort of seventy times seven in order to turn other Jews towards Christ.
I live by this verse as well, maybe Kirkland should be made aware of it sometime: Galatians 6 7. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
This Kirkland is one to bring about a one world, race-mixing church ( Apostate, Laodicean ) that is an Abomination to God. Race-mixing is an abomination, always was ( Gen 6:1-13 Luke 17:26-27), always will be ( Jude 7-11 ).
2003-06-30 19:19 | User Profile
golfball,
Great post on "Dispensationalism" nonsense. The "rapture" doctrine was invented by the Plymouth Brethren in the mid 1800's and oddly has taken the Church by Storm in the last 50 years. The "rapture" has only become big the last 30 years, before that it only the theology of a few small sects, who made it up less than 200 years ago. Any way what would be the point of having a tribulation if all the "Saints of the Church" are gone, is not the point of the tribulation to test them. I think The Late Great Planet Earth by Hal Lindsey played a big role in these bad doctrines to becoming so common and was a big part in the growth of Christian Zionism and much of the End Times nonsense. And now We have the "Left behind" trash adding to this nonsense. I am sick of the fictionalized accounts and odd interpretation of The Book of Revelation. These nuts would be almost funny if they not causing such harm.
on a related note.
The Rapture Nonsense I am sick of it! [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=1275]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...?showtopic=1275[/url]
"THE RAPTURE MYTH" [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8646]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...?showtopic=8646[/url]
"Zion's Christian Soldiers" [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8636&hl=rapture]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...8636&hl=rapture[/url]
2003-06-30 22:47 | User Profile
Goofball:
Your Christian Identity nonsense does not withstand serious scholarship.
God is prefect and does not play favorites. What is prefectly obvious to most folks, however, is beyond the scope of a spiritual cripple.
-Z-
2003-07-01 04:15 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Zoroaster@Jun 30 2003, 17:47 * ** Goofball:
Your Christian Identity nonsense does not withstand serious scholarship.
God is prefect and does not play favorites. What is prefectly obvious to most folks, however, is beyond the scope of a spiritual cripple.
-Z- **
I am not a Christian Identity adherant, Zoroaster. I am an Old Time Gospel, Baptist. :D
However, there are many instances listed in the New Testament concerning how we ( Israel - White descendants of Adam ) are to seperate ourselves from all that is filthy and abominable.
Zoroaster, I fear no god that preaches love, salvation, tolerance..... that god is a made up piece of trash.
I fear a Holy God that throws Cowards, unbelievers, racemixers, queers, and all other abominable filth into a lake of fire.
When pieces of trash stand in front of a Christian church saying "All are welcome here", Satan is right beside them smiling, for the devil is the god of this world that accepts everybody.
God has indicated that there are people not welcome to enter into the congregation of the Lord, AND JESUS NEVER REVERSES GOD'S STAND ON THESE KINDS OF PEOPLE OR BEASTS ( Non-whites ) [color=red]NEVER[/color][color=red]![/color]
If Jesus does, then show me. And be specific. ( Literally, no psudeo-interpetations ) Israel ( White Adamic race ) is to judge those that are abominable and seperate themselves from the filth and un acceptable:
1 Corinthians 6
AND:
2 Corinthians 6
You see? God's Grace and Love IS NOT UNCONDITIONAL! God requires of us, ( Israel ) the White race, to separate ourselves from all filth, darkness, abominable racemixers and queers in order to approach Him and be His children. If God's Blessing was for all of the world, or for every racemixer, non-white, pedophile, abominable being, beast,... God would not have conditions that must be observed. God is intolerant. My Heavenly Father, and His son Lord Jesus Christ are Intolerant.
Any god that is tolerant of filth and abomination, lives in an abominable trash pile to begin with. Satan welcomes and tolerates anything, God does not. God is not mocked. I know what I sow, Zoroaster. I see what you sow as well. Harvest time is coming up soon and I will be ready for the separation of the Tare from the Wheat.
2003-07-01 05:06 | User Profile
Tex,
OD, like NewsMax of old, has become a home for fanatics. I'm getting too old to waste time arguing with these kind of folks.
Bye,
-Z-
2003-07-01 09:05 | User Profile
Originally posted by golfball@Jun 30 2003, 23:15 * *Zoroaster, I fear no god that preaches love, salvation, tolerance..... that god is a made up piece of trash. **
Matthew 5:1-12
1 Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2 and he began to teach them saying: 3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4 Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. 5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. 6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. 7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. 8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. 9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God. 10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
When pieces of trash stand in front of a Christian church saying "All are welcome here", Satan is right beside them smiling, for the devil is the god of this world that accepts everybody. God has indicated that there are people not welcome to enter into the congregation of the Lord, AND JESUS NEVER REVERSES GOD'S STAND ON THESE KINDS OF PEOPLE OR BEASTS ( Non-whites ) [color=red]NEVER[/color][color=red]![/color]
Matthew 9:9-13
9 As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector's booth. "Follow me," he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him. 10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?" 12 On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
Romans 3:22-24
22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:27-29
27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Revelation 5:9-10
9 And they sang a new song: "You are worthy to take the scrollÃÂ and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation. 10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth."
2003-07-01 12:20 | User Profile
Thanks Tex,
I'm not a Bible person or a churchgoer, nor am I a Christian basher. Your post expounds the virtues of genuine Christianity.
Christ said: "My kingdom is not of this earth." Spiritual cripples in general and Israel-firsters in particular just don't get it.
-Z-
2003-07-01 16:48 | User Profile
Originally posted by Zoroaster@Jul 1 2003, 07:20 * *Christ said: "My kingdom is not of this earth." Spiritual cripples in general and Israel-firsters in particular just don't get it. **
Believe me I know, Zoroaster. For some reason this board attracts a good number of vocal, disaffected, strange and marginal. Thanks for continuing to post. You had me worried there for a minute that I was going to be left all alone to deal with these people. :angry:
2003-07-01 18:05 | User Profile
Tex and Zoroaster, Salvation comes with a price. We know what the purpose of the Blood of Christ fulfills.
As I stated before, I am ready for the Tares to be seperated from the Wheat. This will be fulfilled. Once you read the Holy Bible and see that the foundations are based on the White Adamic Race, you understand that the Holy Bible follows the line of Adam, NO OTHER RACE.
Where did Cain find his wife? From amongst the non-whites....
God's Blessing is for all of the descendants of Adam that are all over the world amongst all nations. Jesus already said who He came here for, [color=red]"I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."[/color]
Jesus did not come here to send Peace on the earth: Matthew 10:34 [color=red]Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.[/color]
Texas Dissident, concerning Matthew 5:1-12, Jesus does bless those that follow Him and He is very clear about what will affect those that follow Him. The world and Satan are harsh.
Concerning Matthew 9:9-13, Jesus was talking to the Jews.
Romans 3:22-24, is addressed to the White Israelites.
Galatians 3:27-29 is in reference to White Adamic Israelites ( Jew as in Israelite in Judah, Greek as in Israelite in Greece )
Revelation 5:9-10 King James Version 1611
[color=blue]us[/color], is direct reference to the White Israelites that are, "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Nowhere in the KJV 1611 does it indicate there are all races present in Heaven when the book is opened,( It is obvious that other, later printed bibles have changed the words to make it appear so. ) [color=red][Therein lies the danger of changing the words][/color] only the guardian beasts, the 24 Elders, and the multitude of angels.
The King James Version stresses the White Israelite race will be the Kings and Priests.
By the way Tex, what version of the bible do you read out of, the N I V? The version that you show indicates by the verse:
9 And they sang a new song: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased [color=blue]men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation. [/color] Tex, your version implies that all races are elgible and completely disregards the fact that [color=blue]us[/color] from the K J V 1611, means the White Adamic race and since the words were changed, "men", [Your version] appears to include all races. That is a totally different meaning and interpetation. All of the newer interpetations and versions are watered down and more P.C. These later versions fail to take into account the gravity of the verses in Revelation 22.
Revelation 22
I prefer to disregard all other bibles and interpetations after the K J V 1611.
However, one's faith is important and we should turn to Christ no matter what is said or printed by mankind. :th:
2003-07-01 18:20 | User Profile
golfball,
You may claim to be Baptist, but your doctrine is basically pure Christian Identity. CI is a cult and heretical to 2000 years of Christian orthodoxy. No thank you.
2003-07-01 18:38 | User Profile
C I does not follow the K J V 1611, but neither does the S B C. I am the typical old time gospel baptist. I do not follow after the new age type of religions that flourish these days. ( or their bibles )
Christianity itself is labled a "cult".
The doctrines of the Church of Christ, S B C, Pentecostal, Evangelicals, Assembly of God, etc...etc.. have fallen under an apostasy. The KJV 1611 has already indicated this would happen: 2 Thessalonians 2