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Lady_America [OP]

2003-06-29 05:33 | User Profile

Will this stir up the hornets nest?

America is no longer the land of milk and honey. Gone are the days of Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, Roger Maris, and Mickey Mantle. Joe Namath, Roger Staubach and Terry Bradshaw have also left the stadium. The PGA has seen the last of Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicholas and Tom Watson outside senior tourney's. Now, we are sitting with a problem.

The Problem?

The dissatisfied white-male who is very upset with the current political climate that has seen the changing face of America from European to pre-dominately a brown-black-yellow hue. Yet, through all of his complaints, he sits there in front of his television set, guzzling down the beer, snacking on peanuts and cheering on the heroics of either his favorite or his local sports team. The predominately black teams, whether they be basketball, football or baseball, the three dominant sports in America, is what that white male associates with. If he fails in knowing the latest scores or standings, his manhood is called into question. So, he supports the hometown or his favorite team through his pocketbook. He sports the latest shirt, cap or sticker and proudly displays them on his body and places the sticker on the bumper of his truck. He’s a man’s man. Proud knowing how to converse with his buddies down on the assembly line or in the cubicle on the floor above the mailroom. When he returns back to that lower or middle class home, and in some case to his upper class neighborhood, he kisses his little bunnies and his dedicated wife and settles into another nights worth of ESPN sports, while gazing at the sports section of the newspaper, while that predominately black-brown-yellow team lock themselves behind an electronic gate--daring either that white or black man--to invade his privacy as he and his lady settle down to some cocaine or ecstacy with a colt sitting on the night stand in case of a disagreement.

Ah, yes. And thanks to the white-European-American, his continued support in the stands, merchandising and personal appearances is one of the reasons why that non-white American is living much better than he is; and, why that non-white American has the money to spend it on drugs. The continued support of non-white American athletes is one of the most hypocritical activities of the white-European-American male and is utterly repulsive. And, they are some of the responsible people behind the loss of the American European culture that has occurred during the last 40 years. The idolization of non-white European males in sports needs to be drawn into question. Take a look at what poster is lining your son (or daughter) bedroom wall and whose number is printed on the back of that Nike shirt that spent $20.00 on. Or was that YOUR money. Or, can I now say, that it now belongs to Lebron James and his mother.

Finally, a black man in Texas once told me, "that the way to keep the public from knowing the truth and activities of the government was to keep the masses busy with play."

Continue to play fellows...America has changed. A big reason has to do with you…the white-European-American male who seems to need his sports before his home or family. His home, America, has become somebody else’s home now. He lost it between first and second base or down on the one-yard line as he fumbled the ball into the arms of Derrick Brooks. Where do you go now? Can the white-European-American male explain this? Or, will he avoid the subject and try to put the blame only on liberals or better yet, women, because I am one and have brought into question the "sacred cow" called sports for the American Male.

Phillip Augustus

2003-06-29 05:42 | User Profile

Well, first of all, baseball is predominantly European (roughly 65%), and the most prevalent minority in baseball is Latino, not black. In fact, American blacks are about 10% of MLB. So the average baseball fan is watching a predominantly white sport- if nothing else, it is certainly not 'predominantly black'.

Every year, the NBA becomes whiter and whiter. This draft was about half white. Damn, though I wish we could start getting these Serbs and Lithuanians to start playing football along with basketball. :D

And how about hockey, golf, and tennis! 99% Euro across the board.

So as a rabid sports fan I make no apologies whatsoever and will continue to watch them with focus, while, at the same time, ignoring the PC commentary of the clowns in the media as they gloat every time a black quarterback manages to scramble for a 20 yard rush.

Madrid burns

2003-06-29 05:54 | User Profile

*Originally posted by Phillip Augustus@Jun 29 2003, 07:42 * ** Well, first of all, baseball is predominantly European (roughly 65%), and the most prevalent minority in baseball is Latino, not black. In fact, American blacks are about 10% of MLB. So the average baseball fan is watching a predominantly white sport- if nothing else, it is certainly not 'predominantly black'.

**

I don't think so, because "latino" is not a race, in fact many of those baseball "latino" players are black or part black and many of them come from black places like the Dominican Republic (e.g. Sammy Sosa, he is so black as any African American from Detroit), Cuba and Puerto Rico. Then if we added the percentage of Caribbean hispanic-speaking blacks to the percentage of African american baseball players, the total of blacks in the MLB is of around 30% or more.

Regards.

Kurt

2003-06-29 05:58 | User Profile

*Originally posted by Madrid burns@Jun 28 2003, 23:54 * ** I don't think so, because "latino" is not a race, in fact many of those baseball "latino" players are black or part black and many of them come from black places like the Dominican Republic (e.g. Sammy Sosa, he is so black as any African American from Detroit), Cuba and Puerto Rico. Then if we added the percentage of Caribbean hispanic-speaking blacks to the percentage of African american baseball players, the total of blacks in the MLB is of around 30% or more. **

You beat me to it, MB.

I agree with you, Lady America, for the most part. I'm not a sports fan, but all I know is that whenever I happen to come across a sports channel, like ESPN, or some Nike commercial, 9 times out of 10 all I see are 'groids.

Phillip Augustus

2003-06-29 06:19 | User Profile

Originally posted by Madrid burns+Jun 28 2003, 23:54 -->

QUOTE* (Madrid burns @ Jun 28 2003, 23:54 )

<!--QuoteBegin-Phillip Augustus@Jun 29 2003, 07:42 * ** Well, first of all, baseball is predominantly European (roughly 65%), and the most prevalent minority in baseball is Latino, not black.  In fact, American blacks are about 10% of MLB.  So the average baseball fan is watching a predominantly white sport- if nothing else, it is certainly not 'predominantly black'. ** I don't think so, because "latino" is not a race, in fact many of those baseball "latino" players are black or part black and many of them come from black places like the Dominican Republic (e.g. Sammy Sosa, he is so black as any African American from Detroit), Cuba and Puerto Rico. Then if we added the percentage of Caribbean hispanic-speaking blacks to the percentage of African american baseball players, the total of blacks in the MLB is of around 30% or more. Regards. ** I realize that, but there are still more whites in baseball than American negros and "Latino" negros combined. And many of the so-called "Latino" players are white, or, in any event, non-negro. madrussian 2003-06-29 06:28 | User Profile Originally posted by Phillip Augustus@Jun 28 2003, 22:42 * *Damn, though I wish we could start getting these Serbs and Lithuanians to start playing football along with basketball. :D ** They do play football, I mean real football. Madrid burns 2003-06-29 06:37 | User Profile Originally posted by madrussian+Jun 29 2003, 08:28 --> QUOTE (madrussian @ Jun 29 2003, 08:28 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Phillip Augustus@Jun 28 2003, 22:42 * *Damn, though I wish we could start getting these Serbs and Lithuanians to start playing football along with basketball. :D ** They do play football, I mean real football. ** yeah, the real football (soccer), not the American version of rugby that they call "footbal" :) Lady_America 2003-06-29 06:42 | User Profile After rereading my essay, I neglected to end my essay topic with the following, while putting into question the white-European-American male influence in supporting the non-white. Black males are vastly over represented in collegiate basketball, football, and track. Additionally, they are over-represented in professional basketball, football, track, boxing, and to a lesser degree, baseball. Furthermore, black females are disproportionally represented in relation to their population size in collegiate basketball and track (Siegel, 1994). The WNBA also has a disproporianally large representation of black females. In addition, player salaries are at unprecedented levels and ticket prices have risen accordingly. As well, owners of teams have changed the nature of playing venues creating skyboxes and other types of luxury viewing areas which are affordable only to the well-off. These developments have led to the creation of a well-to-do fan base and that fan base is the predominately white male as predominantly white audience viewing predominantly black athletes competing against one another. Phillip Augustus 2003-06-29 06:57 | User Profile Originally posted by madrussian+Jun 29 2003, 00:28 --> QUOTE (madrussian @ Jun 29 2003, 00:28 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Phillip Augustus@Jun 28 2003, 22:42 * *Damn, though I wish we could start getting these Serbs and Lithuanians to start playing football along with basketball. :D ** They do play football, I mean real football. ** Bah! I want to see them playing Sam linebacker in a 4-3, not kicking some damn beachball around. :D LA Refugee 2003-06-29 07:02 | User Profile Sports? Now, why would any person of the "white" persuasion even care? My negroes can whip your negroes? Nah. Phillip Augustus 2003-06-29 07:05 | User Profile *Originally posted by LA Refugee@Jun 29 2003, 01:02 * ** Sports? Now, why would any person of the "white" persuasion even care? My negroes can whip your negroes? Nah. ** I care, because I am an avid NFL fan. :lol: Texas Dissident 2003-06-29 07:10 | User Profile *Originally posted by Lady_America@Jun 29 2003, 01:42 * ** In addition, player salaries are at unprecedented levels and ticket prices have risen accordingly. As well, owners of teams have changed the nature of playing venues creating skyboxes and other types of luxury viewing areas which are affordable only to the well-off. These developments have led to the creation of a well-to-do fan base and that fan base is the predominately white male as predominantly white audience viewing predominantly black athletes competing against one another. ** End the corporate entertainment tax write-off and this will come to a screeching halt. Kurt 2003-06-29 07:19 | User Profile Now, repeat after me: sports are not dominated by Negroes, despite all evidence to the contrary. [SIZE=1]and the media is not dominated by Jews, despite all evidence to the contrary.[/SIZE] Phillip Augustus 2003-06-29 07:23 | User Profile Basketball- yes, but that's changing. Football- to an extent, but every year, or almost every year, we see Whitey playing quarterback (by far, the most important position) in the Super Bowl. Baseball- hardly. Hockey- that is a sport as per capita white as the population of Lithuania (read: about 99+%). Boxing- I'll give you that one, but keep an eye on those Klitschko brothers. Tennis- 99% non black and who cares about the Williams sisters? That's women's tennis, doesn't count. Golf- other than Tiger, not even really black, where is the black presence in that? Sports are NOT dominated by Negros! Kurt 2003-06-29 08:22 | User Profile Baseball? Ok, dominated by "Latinos," then. And football has become more popular than baseball in recent years. Hockey? Golf? Tennis? I meant sports the average American male actually cares about. :D j/k Lady_America 2003-06-29 17:43 | User Profile It is quite interesting how this topic has flowed. Could it be that this topic has hit a nerve? When I originally posted this topic, the topic brought into question the overwhelming support of team sports that are predominance of non-white European-American male in those particular three sporting events that are at many times idolized and supported (through attendance, merchandising and dominant in male conversation) by many white-European-American males. However, the topic has flown off course and the focus has moved away from the original topic, and has just questioned whether sports itself is predominately white or non-white. I rather not comment on some of the replies to the topic because many, if not all, has been off focus. However, I need to put the topic back on focus, so I will have to proceed in trying to bring it back on line. First, this topic is not whether sports is predominately white or non-white. It becomes not a question for the obvious is when considering American demographics and surveying all sports, one would see there isn’t a predominance of non-white athletes. However, there are three sports—baseball, football and basketball that dominants the attention of most males, especially the white-European-American sort. However, with Tiger Woods being such a leader in the golfing world, I wanted to focus in on golf because of the merchandising that has become big because of his stature in the game. And, since golfing is basically a white-male sport, most of the merchandise being bought up is not being bought by the little black kid in the inner city. He’ll focus in on his basketball idols. So, golf is an important sport that I included because of the money that has exchanged hands from the white-European-American male to feed Mr. Woods pocketbook. Tennis and the Williams sister is big, but there hasn’t been the merchandising zeal that Woods has shown in his sport. So, the sports event focus for this topic of discussion needs stay the course and focus on baseball, football and golf and the contribution of the white-European-American male gives while making the complaint against those of the population he feels threatens his home, family, country and lifestyle. For it is those males with the bottomless pocketbooks who support those sports endlessly by purchasing the merchandise (such as hats, coats, shirts and jerseys, shoes, tickets, pom-poms, expensive seats, computer software, and so on and so on), that is aiding the corporate owners in paying those exurbanite salaries that go into aiding inner city kids and neighborhoods. And, my dear American White Male—the majority of those kids and neighborhoods are not necessarily white. So, you hard earned dollar is not only supporting those athletes that you idolize in one breath, but hate because of their culture and color in another breath, is also going to those neighborhoods that churn out other individuals such as themselves. And, those include individuals that would rather knife you instead of help you. Would murder you if you step foot on their turf. Finally, I don’t understand how anyone could support such athletes that the recent affirmative action rulings have decided who are the cream of the crop in American society. Those sports players and their children have become more important to society than you, the European-American white male. The European-American white male doesn’t have the same value that the non-white has in this country, yet you support them in heart, spirit and money. The next time the white-European-American male is sitting and watching the next game on television with his children—take a glance at your lovely children and cherish them. But, also keep in mind that your government doesn’t cherish them as much as the little non-white gang member down the street who’ll get the next placement in the university playing that basketball or football or baseball that will take them to the big time while taking your money as well. NOTE: I was going to comment on basketball, but decided not to mention this sport for several reasons. One reason is because it is almost 90% non-white and secondly, I didn’t want to my topic to insult (although it evidently will) any of the males of the forum because of the importance of this topic to get through to those who would and will read this topic posting. If one immediately starts out bashing the one sport that many, many white-males focus on and idolize with such players as Jordan, O’Neal, Johnson, Robinson, Bryant, and Ming, ears close and the defensive forcefield goes up and never comes down. There then becomes no room for the individual reader to ponder the topic of discussion, while sitting in front of the boob-tube consuming another lager focused on whether Sosa will hit another homer today. And finally, baseball being 65% white doesn't excite me. What will it be 5 - 10 years from now. The Schmidts, Ryans, Niekros, Benchs, Clements, Garveys have just about all become a 'south of the border' player. Hey, but at least the hispanic kid will have his idol. Take care that the present doesn't kill the future. madrussian 2003-06-29 17:56 | User Profile Originally posted by Phillip Augustus@Jun 28 2003, 23:57 * Bah!  I want to see them playing Sam linebacker in a 4-3, not kicking some damn beachball around. :D* Can those drugged up pussies, aka "football" players, remove their armor and still run fearlessly with their thick skulls into their opponents? Euro-trash football hooligans will stomp bear-bellied American football fans :lol: madrussian 2003-06-29 17:58 | User Profile *Originally posted by Phillip Augustus@Jun 29 2003, 00:05 * ** I care, because I am an avid NFL fan. :lol: ** Not a stereotypical one, I hope. ;) Raider of Arks 2003-06-29 18:30 | User Profile yeah, the real football (soccer), not the American version of rugby that they call "football" I don't understand Europeans obsessive hatred of the name football. The ball is a foot long, after all. I'm a former fan of American football. I no longer watch sports, but I find soccer to be a miserable spectator sport. Like basketball, it consists of far too much repetition and far too little variety for my tastes. Basketball and soccer are great fun to play, but are inferior to even baseball and tennis in viewability. Yaaaawn. On the other side of the coin, American football is less a players sport because of all the equipment you need to play at full contact level. Plus it takes more training as a team due to all the specialization and intricate teamwork involved. Can those drugged up pussies, aka "football" players, remove their armor and still run fearlessly with their thick skulls into their opponents? Can anyone do so? The whole purpose of the pads is to protect the players so they don't die when they collide at top speed. If you took away the pads, the game would slow down. Euro-trash football hooligans will stomp bear-bellied American football fans Omg like our fans would totally like pwn your fans cuz ours roxxor. Can we find something a little more childish to argue over? I mean really, what the hell does this have to do with anything? madrussian 2003-06-29 18:33 | User Profile Sports are childish. Too many whites are wasting time on that garbage. Especially considering who the players are. Rumblestrip 2003-06-29 21:01 | User Profile An interest in sports by itself is not unhealthy. It starts to become a problem when it turns into an OBSESSION, as it has with the typical White American male mentioned already in this thread. We all know the type: he can quote the latest statistics of his favorite players and teams. He can recount play by play last weekend's games. Yet he has no idea what is going on in the real world in his own city, state or nation, and even less about those hard to spell nations on the other side of the globe. That man's sons are no better. They worship the same sports stars. Yes, most of thost stars are non-White, but they don't notice that. As long as there is a reasonably entertaining game on the TV they are happy. As long as there is enough overpriced merchandise on the store shelves, they are happy. Don't ask any of them for their opinion on antything important. Don't make them think too much. Be quiet, the game's starting! Lady_America 2003-06-29 22:17 | User Profile Excellent, Rumble. You read my topic and was able to see my meaning. Perhaps that the black fellow I mentioned in my topic statement was correct. That keeping people busy won't get them thinking and finding out what is really going on. And, indeed, sports are very healthy. I totally agree. It helps to make the mind and soul think more clearly. It's the obsession and the idolization of someone that means more in the American society, than the scientist or educator who, in my opinion, should have their salaries worth more than the sports heroes. But, that is my own opinion and not meant to challenge anyone else's. Kurt 2003-06-30 00:36 | User Profile Perhaps that the black fellow I mentioned in my topic statement was correct.  That keeping people busy won't get them thinking and finding out what is really going on. That "black fellow" you seem to love so much didn't come up with that idea on his own. The Romans called it "[url=http://www.shout.net/~bigred/PanCirc.htm]Bread & Circuses[/url]." It is quite interesting how this topic has flowed.  Could it be that this topic has hit a nerve? When I originally posted this topic, the topic brought into question the overwhelming support of team sports that are predominance of non-white European-American male in those particular three sporting events that are at many times idolized and supported (through attendance, merchandising and dominant in male conversation) by many white-European-American males.  However, the topic has flown off course and the focus has moved away from the original topic, and has just questioned whether sports itself is predominately white or non-white.  I rather not comment on some of the replies to the topic because many, if not all, has been off focus.  However, I need to put the topic back on focus, so I will have to proceed in trying to bring it back on line. Sorry if most of us here were to dim to grasp the concept of your brilliant post. :rolleyes: And, indeed, sports are very healthy.  I totally agree.  It helps to make the mind and soul think more clearly.  It's the obsession and the idolization of someone that means more in the American society, than the scientist or educator who, in my opinion, should have their salaries worth more than the sports heroes.  But, that is my own opinion and not meant to challenge anyone else's.**** Oh really? That sure isn't the way you come across in your posts on this thread. [SIZE=1]You seem pretty pompous, especially for a newbie. Welcome aboard, anyway.[/SIZE] Drakmal 2003-06-30 00:38 | User Profile It's hardly news that Americans are too deeply distracted by the :1eye: to do much critical thinking. We're possibly the most dumbed-down white society there is right now. A better question might be whether we should cut our losses and go fight alongside our brothers in mother Europe, or continue to fight for the hearts and minds of our people here who don't believe anything unless a meat puppet reports it as a possible rumor. Lady_America 2003-06-30 02:09 | User Profile Normally, I would not comment on irrelevant posts, but being a newbie with others reading the my comments, I will do so periodically, after which I will find it only annoying and will keep myself on focus and ignore the posters with little to say. [color=red]My Dear Kurt[/color] You seem pretty pompous, especially for a newbie. Welcome aboard, anyway. Thanks for that jolly compliment and the welcome aboard. I expect to be able to contribute a lot to the forum. There's been a lot of good discussion going on, but I do see that there's even a little poke at everyone. So, I will just smerk and go on my way and not take it personal, whether it should be or not. In reference to my 'opinion', that particular 'opinion' had only to do with the paragraph that is was mentioned in, particulary the sentence beforehand, and not in the topic. Indeed the topic as a whole is to challenge. So, I accept your apology for misinterpreting the statement. As far as having a 'brillant post', I know otherwise, but I thank you all the same and considered as such. I also like to see topics stay focused, as you yourself should, if you started a topic. I do not apologize for trying to keep things focused, as they should be for many with guilt and little to say will usually stray from the focus. I would rather welcome a devil's advocate into any topic, as it would like to intelligent conversation. Bread & Circuses is an old idea and concept, which many know about. The black fellow that I speak about is someone who also knows it. My ponderance and opinion would be that those minority athletes also know about bread & circuses and are doing what they can do to keep the white-European-American male busy. This way they can continue to do what they need to do to get the political power, while that white male whiles(sp?) away his hours being entertained by the non-white athletes and the corporate supporter who relies on the white-male dollar. [color=red]Drakmal [/color] It is old news, but a first posting that I wanted to try out to get the hang of posting and putting my thoughts down. Hopefully with intelligent discussion, my posts will improve and I will get to know a few fellow compatriotes, and perhaps something may come out of the forum that can be done to help salvage what is left of the US. PS: Love the ad. Ironically, for MLK Day, one has to also GET extra security because of the rampant car thieves, who are normally minorities. Bardamu 2003-06-30 02:35 | User Profile *Originally posted by Lady_America@Jun 28 2003, 23:33 * ** The dissatisfied white-male who is very upset with the current political climate that has seen the changing face of America from European to pre-dominately a brown-black-yellow hue. Yet, through all of his complaints, he sits there in front of his television set, guzzling down the beer, snacking on peanuts and cheering on the heroics of either his favorite or his local sports team. ** I work in a blue collar environment around a large crew of men and sports enthusiasm only affects about a third of the guys. Another third show a passing interest in the scores for the home teams, and the other third couldn't care less about sports and make no secret of the fact. It is not a macho peer pressure thing. Raider of Arks 2003-06-30 03:35 | User Profile I agree Bardamu. Sports aren't as popular as Mr Pierce and some of his listeners have made out. Lots of working class Whites that I know (in fact a large majority of them) could care less about sports. Most of them are more fond of drugs than sports. Franco 2003-06-30 04:55 | User Profile Hey, Lady A. -- I remember you from other forums, etc. Welcome. I hear what you say. Blacks rose to the top in American sports because White men did not complain about it. They did not, and do not, care if all of their heroes be BoolieCoons. Word! Jus' pass the Fritos and beer. [belch] :D Kurt 2003-06-30 05:15 | User Profile *Originally posted by Franco@Jun 29 2003, 22:55 * ** Hey, Lady A. -- I remember you from other forums, etc. Welcome. I hear what you say. Blacks rose to the top in American sports because White men did not complain about it. They did not, and do not, care if all of their heroes be BoolieCoons. Word! Jus' pass the Fritos and beer. [belch] :D ** Thanks, Franco. You just summed up her long, dull, convoluted post in your usual snappy, entertaining style. :th: [SIZE=1]Lady A. seems to have gone to the [url=http://professor.irwincorey.com/]Prof. Irwin Corey[/url] school of writing; why use 1 word, when 10 will do? :y Remember what [url=http://www.nap.edu/html/biomems/cjohnson.html]Clarence 'Kelly' Johnson[/url] said, "K.I.S.S.: keep it simple, stupid.[/SIZE] Raider of Arks 2003-06-30 14:50 | User Profile Kurt, concision has been a lost art for some time. Hell, I don't even know if it was ever around to be lost in the first place. Lady_America 2003-07-01 06:34 | User Profile **Hey, Lady A. -- I remember you from other forums, etc. Welcome. I hear what you say. Blacks rose to the top in American sports because White men did not complain about it. They did not, and do not, care if all of their heroes be BoolieCoons. Word! Jus' pass the Fritos and beer. [belch]** Thanks, Franco. It's great to be back. Although, I do remember the belligerent souls over at TownHall and find that some of those characters are everywhere. But, we must tread on. The question now is, 'why didn't the white men complain?' I am an old baseball fan that is from Cincinnati and used to love watching my Reds during their heydays in the 70's. Then I moved to Texas in the late 70's and became a football fan. It took me until the late 1980's to figure out that I was obsessed with all the games and they became the most important things in life to me. Now I am able to see, only for myself however, how the obsession of the games can sideline you and keep you from the heavy issues of the day. However, I am a female and in a society that is male dominated, I can't understand how men, especially the white male, can get so obsessed especially when the changes that are occurring around them can and will affect their own livelihood and families future. I believe, but have no statistics or proof of this, that perhaps the workplace has become such a place for guys to talk sports, and since most companies are heavy into making 'whitey' feel bad about himself and what 'whitey' has done to the rest of the world, that the indoctrination has blinded the 'white' man. Case in point: I'm taking some college courses right now and am in a philosophy class. Whenever an issue of defining a good person, defining what is meant for sacrificing oneself for others, etc., almost every person that comes out of the young students mouths are non-white. It appears that the schools have really indoctrinated the troops. Since, it has been almost 30 years since I was in high school, I do not know what is being taught to the young people today about their own heritage. Sorry to take so long to make my point. But as Kurt pointed out, I am somewhat 'longwinded'. W.R.I.T.O.S 2003-07-03 05:51 | User Profile Originally posted by madrussian+Jun 29 2003, 11:56 --> QUOTE (madrussian @ Jun 29 2003, 11:56 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Phillip Augustus@Jun 28 2003, 23:57 * Bah!  I want to see them playing Sam linebacker in a 4-3, not kicking some damn beachball around. :D* Can those drugged up pussies, aka "football" players, remove their armor and still run fearlessly with their thick skulls into their opponents? Euro-trash football hooligans will stomp bear-bellied American football fans :lol: ** You're wrong about this. American football is an extremely brutal sport. It takes somebody with abnormally high levels of testosterone to do well at it. It's definately not for pussies because you will get f'd up if you are playing in a competetive environment. As anyone who has actually played knows, helmets are weapons just as much as armor. If a normal adult man were put in uniform on the middle of the field in an NFL game, he would at the very least sustain several broken bones and a severe concussion within one play. Very few NFL players use anabolic steroids these days. Improvements in training and nutrition have made them unecessary. In recent years I only heard about one player getting busted for roids, a black defensive back I think it was.