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Thread ID: 7587 | Posts: 5 | Started: 2003-06-24
2003-06-24 08:31 | User Profile
Here are some posts of scientist Matt Nuenke, which he posted at American Renaissance's new mailing list of [url=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arlist/]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arlist/[/url]
"Unfortunately, Cavalli-Sforza does not address diasporic peoples like Jews, Gypsies, etc. However, numerous genetic studies by Jews show clearly that Jews are far closer to Arabs genetically. That is, for 2700 years, they have maintained racial separation from gentiles even in Eastern Europe. But racial differences count more than just differences in genes. The best summation of evolutionary strategies of diasporic groups is Kevin MacDonald's "A People That Shall Dwell Alone: Judaism as a Group Evolutionary Strategy, with Diaspora Peoples," published by writers club press, 2002. He discusses Gypsies, Jews, Puritans, Anabaptists, and the Oversees Chinese in Thailand and Indonesia. Understanding how both hyperethnocentric races and moral universalist races (Europeans) can establish moral/behavioral systems that are beneficial to Whites is explained no better than by Kevin MacDonald's trilogy on evolutionary strategies."
"Just because Jews look more Euro than Arab, doesn't mean that genetically they are more Euro. Small amounts of Euro genes in the Jewish gene pool can be selected for, while retaining primarily Jewish ethnocentrism and intelligence. That is, via selection, a race can keep some traits of their original stock, while increasing the number of alleles for say blue eyes or light colored hair. Likewise, Aryan East Asians became darker in skin color for protection, even though they very well might be primarily Indo-Europeans. Following is a excerpt from MacDonald's book "A People That Shall Dwell Alone," 2002:
"There is a great deal of pressure to form larger groups in order to increase military strength. Cultures from the Middle Old World culture area are not only highly collectivist and ethnocentric, marriage tends to be endogamous (i.e., marriage occurs within the kinship group) and consanguineous (i.e., marriage with blood relatives, including the uncle-niece marriage sanctioned in the Old Testament, is common). This suggests that groups from this area should tend to retain their genetic integrity even if they become diaspora peoples dispersed in other lands. Recent genetic studies have confirmed the genetic integrity of Jewish groups discussed in Chapter 2 of PTSDA. These studies confirm the Middle Eastern origins of Jews and show that Jewish groups remained genetically separate from the peoples they lived among over the last 2000 years.
"Based on Y-chromosome data, Hammer et al. (2000) found, that various Jewish populations (Ashkenazi, North African, Kurdish, Yemenite, and Near Eastern) were not only closely related to each other, but also closely related to other Middle Eastern groups (Syrians, Lebanese, Palestinians) and quite separate from European groups. On the assumption that there have been 80 generations since the founding of the Ashkenazi population, the rate of genetic admixture with Europeans has been less than half a percent per generation. This level of genetic admixture is consistent with supposing that there has been essentially no conversion of Europeans to become mating members of the Ashkenazi gene pool. The very low levels of genetic admixture with Europeans may well have come from clandestine matings and rape.
"Two other recent Y-chromosome studies also found that Israeli Jews derive from the Middle Eastern gene pool. Nebel found that 70% of the Y chromosomes of Jews and 82% of the Y chromosomes of Palestinians belong to the same chromosome pool, suggesting a common ancestry. However, Nebel et al. found evidence that Jews are even more closely related to the Kurds. Muslim Kurds were located near Kurdish Jews and between Sephardic Jews and Ashkenazi Jews. When compared with European populations, Ashkenazi Jews were more genetically distant from European populations than they were from Sephardic Jews, and they were also closer to Arab populations (e.g., Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese). Sephardic Jews were genetically distant from both Spaniards and North Africans despite having lived among them for centuries. Indeed, they remain very close to Kurdish Jews, a finding the authors attribute to genetic continuity with Jews exiled by the Assyrians in 723 B.C. and the Babylonians in 586 B.C. Kurdish Jews remained closer genetically to Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews than to Kurdish Muslims, a truly remarkable finding, since it indicates no detectable genetic admixture between Kurdish Jews and their hosts over approximately 2700 years. Finally, despite some differences, there is a great deal of genetic affinity between Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jewish groups, confirming the findings of Hammer et al.""
"Actually, our human instincts can be fooled when there are selection pressures to for a group of people to look more like other people they are around. This is true of Jews who lived amongst Whites in Europe. There was good reason for the slight amount of White genes they acquired, to be selected for in such a way that they looked more European. Over hundreds of years, those that looked more European were less likely to be killed during pogroms against Jews.
This process can work both ways, allowing some genetic exchange between races, any single trait can be selected "for" or "against." The best book on this issue is "Race and Human Evolution" by Wolpoff and Caspar, 1997. They state as follows: "Far-reaching gradations of anatomical differences were not disrupted by genic exchanges, they depended on them, and it was along these gradients that populations toward the extremes could differentiate and remain distinctââ¬Â¦. Favorable mutants or gene combinations arrived at in one part (race) of such a species may, under the influence of natural selection, eventually spread to all other parts and thus eventually become a common property of the entire species. ââ¬Â¦ Genic exchanges were not the opposite of differentiation, they were its cause. They were not the problem but its solution!" A full review of this process is discussed in my free on-line book: Shattering the Myth of Racism: Volume II available at my web site: [url=http://www.neoeugenics.com]http://www.neoeugenics.com[/url]
But the whole issue of racial groups and who should be considered White, etc. can be very disruptive. What is more important is, how are other groups different from us and how are we to deal with them? Genetic tests confirm that Jews are in fact Semites, and are genetically closer to Arabs than to Europeans - while the U.S. census considers all Arabs, Jews and Europeans as White for convenience, not based on science (my web site explains the history of racial classifications by the U.S. Census Bureau). Ashkenazi Jews are closer to Europeans in intelligence, but they are closer to other Semites when it comes to moral particularism and ethnocentrism. And this is where Jews and Euros have the greatest difficulties and conflicts. We could easily be allies, closing our borders and limiting immigration to those with higher intelligence like East Asians, Ashkenazi Jews, and Europeans. But the Jews have decided, at least most of them, that Europeans are such a threat to them that they must be marginalized by diluting their numbers through massive immigration. And that is why AR has been open to Jews who are not anti-Euro. We can easily coexist with Jews, even prosper with them, once we understand the ground rules - both Whites and Jews. But to do that we need to understand human nature and human conflicts."
"Actually, it has been noted that Whites tend to become more ethnocentric as one goes from Northeast Europe towards the Middle East. Ethnocentrism it is speculated is increased where people are more numerous, and tribes are formed. So the fact that the Balkans are more ethnocentric, somewhere between the Semites and the Euros has been recognized already. After all, they are a mixture and that part of the world has been fighting each other for a very long time.
Also, warfare is not associated with ethnocentrism. Look at America's (fabricated) moral outrage towards Saddam Hussein. This is not tribalism but universal moralism - we have been made to believe that he is evil and we must do something. So when looking at conflicts, one needs to see if they have come about from purely tribal hostilities, moral injustice or threats, economic opportunism by the elites, etc.
Also, ethnocentrism is genetic but also culturally influenced. Take anyone and put them in a cosmopolitan setting, without their own tribes around, and they will no doubt behave differently than if they were back on the farm, getting into disputes with the neighbors over water rights. But I have a question, if you don't believe there are behavioral differences between races, why are you here at AR? You seem to be arguing the point of cultural relativism? I for one believe that there are real and significant differences in intelligence and behavioral traits between different races."
2003-06-24 13:27 | User Profile
And this is where Jews and Euros have the greatest difficulties and conflicts. We could easily be allies, closing our borders and limiting immigration to those with higher intelligence like East Asians, Ashkenazi Jews, and Europeans.
And that in a nutshell is AR's failing; White nationalists? I think not. Morally, Jews are not White and neither are East Asians.
2003-06-24 16:49 | User Profile
They serve a useful purpose. AR can bring Whites who cannot internalize the Jewish question into the fold. I believe they cover the middle ground that WN cannot.
2003-06-24 16:58 | User Profile
A pro-Occidental organization is not one that does not understand who is white or openly promotes alien interests as ours while slandering various white ethnic groups. An organization that refuses to be honest about how your country got on the road to becoming a third world cesspit is not an organization that will be able to reverse the course of your destruction.
2003-06-25 11:16 | User Profile
*Originally posted by triskelion@Jun 24 2003, 16:58 * ** A pro-Occidental organization is not one that does not understand who is white or openly promotes alien interests as ours while slandering various white ethnic groups. An organization that refuses to be honest about how your country got on the road to becoming a third world cesspit is not an organization that will be able to reverse the course of your destruction. **
I agree with Raider of Arks.
Amren serves a limited but legitimate purpose. Like VDARE, it does a good job of hammering home the central messages such as "race is real," "we're being dispossessed," and "it's okay not to like that."
Most folks have been so brainwashed by the Jewish controlled media that they can't swallow the whoe truth in one big gulp. Amren is baby food. It's a stage most have to pass through before they can accept the larger truths.
We OD types are a but a tiny minority, even on the right. We need to raise the consciousness of our ethnic kin in ways that will work.
Hey, the Jewish Left were masters at the use of front organizations, and took care to muffle criticism of the less ideologically minded comrades. We must do the same, IMHO.
Walter