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2003-06-23 21:04 | User Profile
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Tom Chittum June 20 2003
I do not have the scholarly resume of some other Prison Planet columnists. However, I have acquired what you might call a certain technological expertise which leads me to to believe that we will be defeated in Iraq, and a lot sooner than what you might think. Unfortunately, because my acquired technological expertise is of what you might call a practical nature, it is not generally recognized as genuine military science. That's a shame because if I were allowed to write a field manuel for the army I could give our young fellows in Iraq many a tip on looting, arson, theft, murder, drugs, alcohol and similar matters that would prove useful in their character-building experience in our Glorious Imperial Legions. But to return to the point, I intend to use this expertise to explain one interesting facet of what is going down in Iraq. The war in Iraq is being fought by two very different military systems - a professional army versus a militia type army. I've fought in both, and I'll try to use my experiences to explain why we will be defeated.
In early 1992 I was a grunt in the Croatian Army. My unit was stationed on the front line in the middle of nowhere. Months had passed since I had heard anything of the outside world or our glorious, multicultural America. As you will see I was slightly out of touch. The Serbs were about a mile away across No Man's Land. They lobbed mortar shells at us intermittently, mostly at night when they were dead drunk. We were usually drunk too, or were if the evening supply truck had brought us any beer.
One morning I was on a work detail building a bunker when my Croatian platoon leader, Lt. Igor, walked up and said in his Count Dracula accent, "Chittum, the BBC is saying the negroes are burning down the Los Angeles."
"Good for them," I replied. "I always knew they had more sense than the KKK gave them credit for. Tell me, did the limeys bother to ask them why?"
Igor flipped his cigarette butt, shrugged his shoulders and said, "they say it is because the police are beating up some guy named Romey Zing."
"Never heard of him," I replied. "Do you think there'll be any beer on the supply truck tonight?"
The Croatian Army I served in was pretty much a militia-style army as opposed to our professional-style Glorious Imperial Legions. It looked more like a band of Mexican banditos than an army. Uniforms were worn any which way and were usually mixed with civilian clothes. The barracks always looked like Animal House after a toga party. The floors were littered with empty brandy bottles, cigarette butts and sometimes even lose grenades. The enlisted men never but never saluted the officers. As an experiment, I saluted an officer once. He paused, looked at me as if I were a simpleton, and then he asked me what I wanted. The Croatian Army would fail each and every inspection the United States Army has ever printed in all of its field manuals. By Pentagon standards every Croatian soldier should have been court-martialed and marched straight to the stockade.
The Croatian soldiers did, however, pass one military test - they were willing to fight against overwhelming odds, and fight to the death, plain and simple. In contrast, our Glorious Imperial Legions in Iraq will get a bad case of Vietnamitis and fold. The Iraqi Resistance will first drive them back to their firebases, and then take them under siege. The last Skull and Bones carpetbagger leaving Baghdad will do so hanging onto the skids of a bullet-riddled helicopter.
I was an infantryman in the American Army in the Vietnam war, and I was an infantryman in the Croatian Army during the war in the Balkans. The differences between our professional military system and the Croatian militia army were stunning, and an examination of these differences will explain why our professional army ground to a halt in Vietnam, and why the rag-tag Croatian militia army was able to defeat a more numerous and far better armed opponent. Let's start with the officers.
When the war broke out in Croatia, Croatian men spontaneously formed themselves into fighting bands. These bands always came to be led by natural leaders, men whose courage and intelligence elicited the respect and loyalty of their men. One such Croatian officer was Lt. Igor, mentioned earlier, who had kindly raised my spirits by providing me with a vision of thousands of Beverly Hills oxygen wasters being hacked to pieces by mobs of machete wielding Crips and Bloods. (What the heck, we can always hope!) Anyway, one evening Lt. Igor and I were working on a bottle of Rikia brandy when he asked me what I did in civilian life. I replied that I was a computer programmer. "Great," he replied. "Everyone wants to win this war by playing Rambo. I've got a better idea." The next day Igor took me to Zagreb where he bought a battery operated programmable calculator at his own expense. The next day I found myself back at the front in an abandoned farmhouse seated at a table with Igor, a map and the calculator. My new job consisted of the mathematical transformation of Serb positions on the map into sight setting for our mortars. It was a complicated process involving trigonometric and other exotic calculations. The heartless fiend Igor even cut off my daily Rakia ration until I had finished my calculations each evening.
If this incident had happened in the American Army, Lt. Igor would have been court-martialed for fraternizing with an enlisted man (which in the American military is infinitely worse than fraternizing with the enemy.) The programmable calculator would never have been bought, and the Serbs - unchecked by accurate mortar fire - would have overrun our line and bayoneted us all in our trenches and bunkers. The typical reaction of the typical American lieutenant - when confronted with any situation beyond the reasoning power of a snail darter - is to get on the field radio and buck the whole mess up to the next highest level of command. The idiot on the other end of the radio is typically some 20-year captain just drawing his pay. So Captain 20-years bucks the whole mess up to the next highest level of command, and so on until things reach the fudge factory at the Pentagon, where the enemy is an annoying irrelevancy, and selection of some hapless scapegoat for ritual slaughter is the solution to every incoming disaster. In short, our army is basically a sort of post office with machine guns. There is no innovation and no real leadership. In the American Army, the essential is neglected and the trivial exalted.
Now let's talk about the enlisted men. In Vietnam, two friends of mine in my platoon shot themselves in the foot to get a ticket out of the meat grinder. They claimed it was accidental, of course - they clumsily shot themselves in the foot while cleaning their M16. Self-inflicted wounds to avoid combat became so numerous that the brass had to institute a policy calling the MPs and handcuffing any and all jokers who "accidentally" shot themselves while cleaning their rifles. This sort of thing simply didn't happen in the Croatian Army. Every man at the front was there because he wanted to be there. And unlike the Americans in Vietnam, the Croatians didn't have to field hordes of MPs to track down deserters. The Croatian Army spent its time fighting the enemy; the American Army spent the better part of its time fighting itself.
Now consider our enlisted men in Iraq. There have been essentially no reports of Vietnamitis in our Glorious Imperial Legions in Iraq. There have been no reports of refusals to fight or go on patrols. Not a single one has shot himself in the foot, nor has a single one of them sampled any of the local dope or gotten drunk or raped or deserted or murdered civilians or offed an officer - excepting for one fragging incident at the beginning of the war. They are all apple-cheeked young lads who, when not gallantly fighting, hand out candy to the local children. Right! Like the rest of the Iraq war, this image is theater for tube zombies back home. Pure swill!
The wheels are coming off the Glorious Imperial War Machine in Iraq. Our guys are being hunted down for sport by roving bands of Iraqi bushwhackers. Heck, it's fun and easy! All Abdullah and his buddies have to do is set up a half-way respectable ambush and wait for one of our obliging sitting duck patrols to waddle brainlessly into the old killing zone. Quack! Quack! Quack! - Bang! Bang! Bang! It's as easy as ordering out for pizza. What are our glorious imperial generals going to do next - maybe print up patrol schedules and award kewpie dolls to the Iraqi snipers?
The American Army in Iraq is evolving into the American Army of Vietnam. The Iraqi Resistance is evolving into the Croatian militia army. The longer it wears on the worse it will get. Economic rout will follow military humiliation, and I'll be on the skids along with 90% of my fellow comrade peasants. Therefore, I have this to say to the members of our Glorious Imperial Legions in Iraq. My guiding light in life has always been my desire that the Cyclops eats me last. Therefore, I urge you to continue waddling around Baghdad like shooting arcade ducks. The longer we can stave off the inevitable defeat by keeping the ragheads amused by blowing your brains out, the better it will be for me. By the way, you guys, welcome to the club from a 'Nam vet. Now stop your freaking whining and go get yourself killed. Tom Chittum welcomes your comments at t.chittum@worldnet.att.net. Disclaimer: This column appears as would a syndicatecd column in a newspaper. It does not necessarily reflect the views of Alex Jones. E Mail This Page
Previously by this author: Winning Hearts and Minds With Rifle Butts
2003-06-23 21:35 | User Profile
This is an updated piece using material Chittum presented in another article a few years ago. I agree with some of what he says, but he tends to always downgrade/underestimate Americans and overrate whomever their "enemy" of the moment may be. I understand his reasoning along those lines, but don't agree. His stories regarding Vietnam make one wonder if he was in one of the most cowardly units ever to wear a US military uniform - not counting the all-black units that turned tail and ran early in the Korean War, forcing Ike to ban "colored" units.
I e-mailed Chittum four or five years ago regarding something he wrote that made black and mestizo gang members out as brave soldiers, the army the other side would be using during CWII, their machismo, etc. Some of his remarks showed he overestimated their courage and brainpower, and I asked if maybe he hadn't spent as much time among them as he would lead one to believe. His reply was non-commital and lukewarm. I think we probably will have a major collapse in this country, but in the end, the congoids and mestizos will be ground under the gears, no matter which way things go. Desperate times create desperate people. Whites aren't desperate, yet.
2003-06-23 22:07 | User Profile
The situation in Iraq is bound to grow worse. The question then becomes how far are Genghis W. Bush and his global cabal willing to go to realize their dream of a New World Order. They could make Stalin and Hitler look like Sunday School teachers.
While channel surfing yesterday morning, I saw the Israel-first televangelists were out in full force. According to the Falwell creep seventy-million Evangelical Christians are behind Israel. These folks are scary, far worse than Nazis with their neo-pagan ideology, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were to back Bush and War Party in a genocidal campaign against the Iraqi people that would pave the way for greater Israel.
After the Bolshevik Revolution, the Jews teamed up with the Soviets (laborn unions) to establish their control over the Russian people. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that Jews will team up with the Evangelicals and Fundamentalists to bring about a dictatorship in America.
Yes, Virginia, it can happen here.
-Z-
2003-06-25 01:05 | User Profile
It's hard to know quite what to make of Chittum. I respect his military experience. I know what he says about the Iraq debacle is true: it's a goathump in the grand tradition that's going to result in nothing but humiliation. But he seems to hold his own people in utter contempt. He rightly slams the U.S. military system, but he also tends to build up any enemies into super warriors who simply cannot be defeated by soft American pussies. He refuses to acknowldege that the only real reason wogs like the Iraqi rags have the edge over American forces is that they're willing to die because they're the ones resisting an invasion of their country. Naturally American troops, acting as low-paid bullyboys for zhids & rich race traitor scum, lose heart & say "screw this!" after a while. They soon come to realize that all the flag-waving palaver about fighting for "freedom" is just so much bullsh-t, and respond accordingly.
This does not mean that many of these same soldiers (White ones, anyway), wouldn't gladly risk their lives to drive out the wetback scum if only their treasonous gummint would only give the word.
2003-06-25 20:55 | User Profile
Roy Batty (Posted on Jun 23 2003, 22:35)> ** This is an updated piece using material Chittum presented in another article a few years ago. I agree with some of what he says, but he tends to always downgrade/underestimate Americans and overrate whomever their "enemy" of the moment may be. I understand his reasoning along those lines, but don't agree. His stories regarding Vietnam make one wonder [color=red]if he was in one of the most cowardly units ever to wear a US military uniform[/color] - not counting the all-black units that turned tail and ran early in the Korean War, forcing Ike to ban "colored" units.**
Tom Chittum is not to be taken seriously most of the time. He was an infantryman in the 173rd Airborne Brigade, [color=red]not[/color] a cowardly unit at all. For his points he exaggerates to put it mildly.
One point should be noted in both the Croat militia and the American army. At night they stayed behind barbed wire. In Vietnam we ceded the night to our enemy.
**The typical reaction of the typical American lieutenant - when confronted with any situation beyond the reasoning power of a snail darter - is to get on the field radio and buck the whole mess up to the next highest level of command. The idiot on the other end of the radio is typically some 20-year captain just drawing his pay. So Captain 20-years bucks the whole mess up to the next highest level of command, and so on until things reach the fudge factory at the Pentagon, where the enemy is an annoying irrelevancy, and selection of some hapless scapegoat for ritual slaughter is the solution to every incoming disaster. In short, our army is basically a sort of post office with machine guns. There is no innovation and no real leadership. In the American Army, the essential is neglected and the trivial exalted. **
I am afraid he was only too right here. I hope things have changed.
2003-06-27 18:56 | User Profile
Leland Gaunt> I knew an old SS-Veteran who fought in the normandy. He was artillery-scout/observer and also liked to snipe when he got his chance. [color=red]He fought both in the east and the west and he said, the american soldiers were the most pathetic he ever encountered. He said that the chance of getting nto close combat with americans was nill.[/color] If they would aproach your lines and were fierd on, they would imdeatly retreat to their positions and call for an artillerybarage or airsupport which would plow their positions inside out, before they would then advance again. He ranked the american soldier after the french and before the italians.
Unfortunately there is much truth in what was written above. In the German Generals Talk by Liddell Hart much the same criticism was made by certain generals. Yet what should be remembered was what the Russian generals had to say about the German soldier. They stated the Wehrmacht was afraid to fight at night and did not like close-quarter fighting. They made the same charge about Americans during the Korean War. It is documented in my book.
2003-06-28 02:21 | User Profile
Edward G, what is the opinion of the German Generals - or others on the Marines as opposed to the Army in WWII or Korea? My father - a Marine - was involved in horrible closed quarters fighting in the Korean War. No one was running away at the time either. Except for the units mentioned by Roy above.
How are things today? I hope more servicemen have some of the gumption shown by the men involved in the 'Blackhawk Down' situation in Mogadishu.
2003-06-28 02:30 | User Profile
I'm pretty sure the Marines didn't fight in the European Theater in WWII. They fought in WWI, of course, and earned the name Teufelhunde (Devil Dogs) from the Germans. The Germans always handed out colorful names; they called the Scottish Highlanders (who still fought in kilts in the Great War) "ladies from hell."
2003-06-28 02:58 | User Profile
I know about the Ladies From Hell nickname. Quite funny and scary. A few Marines did end up in N. Africa etc. so they weren't exclusively in the Pacific. Marine sharpshooters were also used during the Normandy invasion to shoot and explode mines in the channel.
2003-06-28 23:11 | User Profile
Originally posted by edward gibbon@Jun 27 2003, 10:56 * Leland Gaunt*> I knew an old SS-Veteran who fought in the normandy. He was artillery-scout/observer and also liked to snipe when he got his chance. [color=red]He fought both in the east and the west and he said, the american soldiers were the most pathetic he ever encountered. He said that the chance of getting nto close combat with americans was nill.[/color] If they would aproach your lines and were fierd on, they would imdeatly retreat to their positions and call for an artillerybarage or airsupport which would plow their positions inside out, before they would then advance again. He ranked the american soldier after the french and before the italians.**
Unfortunately there is much truth in what was written above. In the German Generals Talk by Liddell Hart much the same criticism was made by certain generals. Yet what should be remembered was what the Russian generals had to say about the German soldier. They stated the Wehrmacht was afraid to fight at night and did not like close-quarter fighting. They made the same charge about Americans during the Korean War. It is documented in my book.**
Well, on the "losing" side, there seems to be a tendency to denigrate the "victors", the opponents. I would suspect that tales of American cowardice are exaggerated, and that Americans would call in an artillery barrage or air support because they could. Why lose more men than you have to, if you can simply rain fire from the sky on your enemy to liquidate or soften them up, so to speak?
The real losers in WWII were whites, everywhere. The squabbling between whites needs to be put aside, if only temporarily, until Europe and the US are cleaned up. That's a ways off, I'm afraid, as it has to get much worse before most whites in the US, and in Europe, really wake up.
I could sling some remarks from my relatives, Irish extraction, WW II vets, who point at the disproportionate number of medals won by the Irish in America's wars. They tell anyone, to their face, that their perception is that most non-Irish lack the tenacity, fight to the death physical courage that the Irish have when it comes to soldiering and fighting. Those comments almost have the same ring as the comments from the SS vet listed above. The Irish in the US today are falling prey to the same brainwashing as the rest of the whites in the country, with small pockets of Irish and Italians here and there still showing some nerve however. I see very little if any of this in any other whites in the US today. They will need to be forced to regain their fighting spirit by circumstance. Unavoidable circumstance.
Chittum is so irritated by today's predicament, that he spews venom everywhere, instead of focusing it on our real enemies.
2003-06-29 09:02 | User Profile
*Originally posted by Roy Batty@Jun 28 2003, 23:11 * ** I see very little if any of this in any other whites in the US today. They will need to be forced to regain their fighting spirit by circumstance. Unavoidable circumstance.
Chittum is so irritated by today's predicament, that he spews venom everywhere, instead of focusing it on our real enemies. **
I think your right, but would add that Chittum seems to be taking a perverse delight in American whites being forced to recognize the consequences of their actions, which is not very becoming from an American.
He's right, though.
The "Let's Roll" crew is ill-prepared psychologically to handle the monotony, misery and ruinous costs associated with a protracted foreign occupation. They're talking FIVE YEARS now, but even that seems arbitrary and designed to give the Sheeple some sense of future closure.
A French colleague and I were discussing the invasion just as it started. I told him that even though I was against the war, that the Iraqi's couldn't hope to hold out against awesome American firepower for long, and that the Iraqis will probably just roll over and die anyway. He laughed and said that the Arabs aren't stupid (he lived in an Arab country a long time), and that they just weren't going to fight the war Americans were expecting them to - that they'd fight, but that the real fight was after we occupy them and on terms an terrain of their own choosing.
I think my French friend is being proved right. We've been sucked into a terrible quagmire. Americans are getting killed every day there, who find themselves compelled to implement harsh counter-insurgency measures that play right into the Mullah's hands. We've been handed a script by history, and we're just starting figure out that the lines aren't at all what we thought they'd be.
Chittum foresaw all of that, of course, and he gets credit for that.
Walter
2003-06-30 18:43 | User Profile
Roger Bannister
**Edward G, what is the opinion of the German Generals - or others on the Marines as opposed to the Army in WWII or Korea? My father - a Marine - was involved in horrible closed quarters fighting in the Korean War. No one was running away at the time either. Except for the units mentioned by Roy above.
How are things today? I hope more servicemen have some of the gumption shown by the men involved in the 'Blackhawk Down' situation in Mogadishu. **
I am not the great military expert, but I know certain things and value them. I suspect that the average marine is tougher than the average army troop, but he lacks the support and equipement to sustain him and his unit in prolonged contact. I remember many old army colonels in Vietnam who had fought in three wars regarded the performance by the United States army in Korea as superior to their performance in World War II or Vietnam. Many of the Chinese we fought had been fighting for 10 to 15 years. If we fight them once more, they will have long have had access to our "secrets". We may be in for a huge surprise.
Roy Batty> **Well, on the "losing" side, there seems to be a tendency to denigrate the "victors", the opponents. I would suspect that tales of American cowardice are exaggerated, and that Americans would call in an artillery barrage or air support because they could. Why lose more men than you have to, if you can simply rain fire from the sky on your enemy to liquidate or soften them up, so to speak?
The real losers in WWII were whites, everywhere. The squabbling between whites needs to be put aside, if only temporarily, until Europe and the US are cleaned up. That's a ways off, I'm afraid, as it has to get much worse before most whites in the US, and in Europe, really wake up.
[color=blue]I could sling some remarks from my relatives, Irish extraction, WW II vets, who point at the disproportionate number of medals won by the Irish in America's wars. They tell anyone, to their face, that their perception is that most non-Irish lack the tenacity, fight to the death physical courage that the Irish have when it comes to soldiering and fighting. Those comments almost have the same ring as the comments from the SS vet listed above.[/color] The Irish in the US today are falling prey to the same brainwashing as the rest of the whites in the country, with small pockets of Irish and Italians here and there still showing some nerve however. I see very little if any of this in any other whites in the US today. They will need to be forced to regain their fighting spirit by circumstance. Unavoidable circumstance.
Chittum is so irritated by today's predicament, that he spews venom everywhere, instead of focusing it on our real enemies. **
Make no mistake about it. The Russians have no desire to come to combat at close quarters with the Chinese. They long ago calculated the odds.
What the Irish (I am somewhat more than 50% Irish) regard as courage, Jewry regards as foolhardy stupidity. I cannot prove this, but I think the odds pretty good that Roman Catholic Irish of Ireland volunteered and died for England during World War II at a higher rate than Americans did for the United States in that conflict.
The Irish in the US today are falling prey to the same brainwashing as the rest of the whites in the country, with small pockets of Irish and Italians here and there still showing some nerve however. [SIZE=3][color=red]I see very little if any of this in any other whites in the US today. They will need to be forced to regain their fighting spirit by circumstance. Unavoidable circumstance.[/color][/SIZE]
Roy - I regard the loss of courage among Whites as the greatest problem confronting America today. I strongly sympathize with Chittum. To come home to this country after risking your life and deserting brave Montagnards was a depressing humiliation. Most especially the ones supervising the degradation of those who went to Vietnam were the greatest generation who made sure that the bookeepers and accountants and cowards got the preferred jobs in this country.
2003-06-30 19:07 | User Profile
My father - a Marine - was involved in horrible closed quarters fighting in the Korean War. No one was running away at the time either. Except for the units mentioned by Roy above.
One all black outfit in Korea adapted the blues number Bug Out Blues as their song because they "bugged out" and ran.
This outfit, I believe, was involved in the Brownsville Massacre 50 years earlier and was disbanded by the army after Korea. It had a shameful history.
At Chosin the marines were ordered to get out pronto. They did but managed to take their dead and equipment with them.
2003-06-30 19:13 | User Profile
Edward, I you are right are on the Irish volunteering to fight for England in WWII - they were fed the "domino" theory b.s., that if hated England fell, the Gerrys would be running the streets of Tipperary next. Jews? Well, they look at any bravado as foolhardy, as long as they can get someone else to do the fighting for them.
The Chinese used the "human waves" in Korea. They kept flinging body after body at the Americans - which they could do today if it came down to hand to hand, everyone out of ammo. Although, their arrogance and lack of imagination has bitten them on the ass, hard, in the past. The marines were vastly, vastly outnumbered at Chosin, and in fact backstabbed by our own "command", the UN, in the first place.
Yeah, the biggest problem whites have is cowardice. I hardly think of myself as some Jake LaMotta tough guy, but whites have to learn to draw the proverbial line in the sand, and if some boolie or mestizo (never mind "terrorists" or Chinese invaders) crosses that line, cancel his ticket right there. However, like I've said a hundred times, it's going to have to get a lot worse, much more uncomfortable for most whites, before things turn. But it can and will happen. Everyone has that "killer" instinct buried within him. It's just a question of how deeply it's been buried. Desperation can change things, change attitudes, quickly.
2003-06-30 19:22 | User Profile
. > The marines were vastly, vastly outnumbered at Chosin, and in fact backstabbed by our own "command
True, the Red Chinese must have sent at least 10 divisions, probably more.
2003-06-30 20:09 | User Profile
Roy Batty (Posted on Jun 30 2003, 20:13)
The Chinese used the "[color=blue]human waves[/color]" in Korea. They kept flinging body after body at the Americans - which they could do today if it came down to hand to hand, everyone out of ammo. Although, their arrogance and lack of imagination has bitten them on the ass, hard, in the past. The marines were vastly, vastly outnumbered at Chosin, and in fact backstabbed by our own "command", the UN, in the first place.
The Chinese who first fought in Korea did [color=red]not [/color]use the human wave attack. What they did was prepare quite thoroughly. During the day they fired seemingly random mortars, but they established a reference point for starting a night attack. At night the Chinese raiding formation would adjust the first round to a prearranged location with subsequent rounds to follow a set path. (The next series of rounds would use the first round for a starting point and move to various locations with the Chinese infantry closely following them.)
The Chinese were and are not stupid. As Patton noted, troops always overestimate at night. The Chinese were about 10 to 15 seconds behind the mortars landing on our foxholes. We were unprepared many times. We thought there were far more of them than there were.