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2003-06-23 20:20 | User Profile

[url=http://www.msnbc.com/news/927968.asp?0dm=N14NN]http://www.msnbc.com/news/927968.asp?0dm=N14NN[/url]

Regards,

Ares

triskelion

2003-06-23 22:52 | User Profile

I can't take the Aryan Nations seriously. In part it's because they had a compound filled with misfits and informers that never seemed to do anything other then pump out poorly made propaganda that almost no one bothered with but also because after being around for decades I can't think of a single positive thing they have done and Bulter has also seemed totally ineffective if well intentioned. They were sued out of existance because they they were poorly run, highly visable and lacked the money to fight the establishment. I don't see them making any "comeback" as they never went any place to start with. It seems that National Socialists and Revolutionary Nationalists of all descriptions are better of seeking a more viable means for advancing their interests.

Tom Rennick

2003-06-24 00:47 | User Profile

[font=Arial][SIZE=3]Yawn- Just Another Dumb Nazi Stunt[/font]**[/SIZE]

MSNBC said: > [color=blue]"Richard Butler sits slightly hunched in a camp chair, a large swastika affixed to the wall of the campground bathrooms behind him. He is surrounded by a loyal coterie of men, some in full Nazi uniform, others in skinhead garb..."[/color]

Pathetic.

No other word describes the pitiful efforts of these Neo-Nazis and skinheads. They are scorned - not by the "Jew media" - but by decent white middle class Americans. They are laughed at - not by the ADL and the SPLC - but by intelligent white men and women who see nothing in this Neo-Nazi gathering but a collection of doddering old fools and young, brainless punks. They are ignored - not by the liberals - but by those white Americans who are looking for a better way to fight against the multiculturalists than by joining up with these dumb thugs.

Neo-Nazis are clowns.

Repeat that until it sticks.

Neo-Nazis are dumb, stupid, morons whom nobody takes seriously - except other dumb, stupid, morons - of which a few reside right here on Original Dissent. The idiotic antics of senile old fools like Richard Butler are what tarnishes decent, intelligent white nationalists who aren't in this struggle to play Barbie & Ken Let's-All-Play-Dress-Up-Nazis or who need an outlet to express their anti-social, dysfunctional lifestyle for public review.

The time has come to run Neo-Nazis out of the Movement.

Leland Gaunt said: > [color=red]"And they have clean haircuts and no tatoos!" [/color]

Leland Gaunt doesn't read well. If he had he would have read these words from the MSNBC report: "He is surrounded by a loyal coterie of men, some in full Nazi uniform, others in skinhead garb..."

Did you read that, Mr. Gaunt? "Skinhead garb." You assumed (incorrectly) that because no tattooed skinheads were displayed in the MSNBC news photos that none were present. But they were present, in all their filthy, vainglorious putrescence, their drooling, slack-jawed faces devoid of any intelligence or reason. Mindless robots all.

Your kind of people, Mr. Gaunt.

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PaleoconAvatar

2003-06-24 01:57 | User Profile

Originally posted by Ares+Jun 23 2003, 20:01 -->

QUOTE* (Ares @ Jun 23 2003, 20:01 )

<!--QuoteBegin-triskelion@Jun 23 2003, 16:52 * ** I can't take the Aryan Nations seriously.  In part it's because they had a compound filled with misfits and informers that never seemed to do anything other then pump out poorly made propaganda that almost no one bothered with but also because after being around for decades I can't think of a single positive thing they have done and Bulter has also seemed totally ineffective if well intentioned.  They were sued out of existance because they they were poorly run, highly visable and lacked the money to fight the establishment.  I don't see them making any "comeback" as they never went any place to start with.  It seems that National Socialists and Revolutionary Nationalists of all descriptions are better of seeking a more viable means for advancing their interests. ** Any organization with the word "Aryan" in their title will not be taken seriously by anyone. Regards, Ares ** In terms of practical, everyday politics, you are probably right that the word "Aryan" should not be in the title of an organization. However, I do hope that this is the only way in which you meant your post, because there is nothing wrong in itself with the word "Aryan," since that is the term that our race was called well up into the 19th century. It has nothing necessarily to do with any of the negative or narrow connotations that the media and such place on it in the wake of the Second World War. Faust 2003-06-24 10:10 | User Profile PaleoconAvatar and Ares, "Aryan" not stupid word and there nothing wrong with, it was still used in the 1950's. But European means pretty much same thing so that's what would should most likely use. So We should call ourselves Europeans, Euro-Folk, or maybe Occidentals. Hugh Lincoln 2003-06-24 17:35 | User Profile The time has come to run Neo-Nazis out of the Movement. Or move faster yourself and watch their costumes grow smaller in the rear-view mirror. Tom Rennick 2003-06-25 02:26 | User Profile Hugh Lincoln said: > [color=red]"Or move faster yourself and watch their costumes grow smaller in the rear-view mirror."[/color] You are certainly right when you refer to Neo-Nazi garb as "costumes", Mr. Lincoln. That is precisely what they are - not uniforms or legitimate para-military outfits - just silly costumes. Real Nazis of the Third Reich were clean-cut, handsome, physically fit men who would have smashed steel-hard fists deep into the ugly, sub-human faces of today's tattooed, shaved-headed filth for daring to insult their honor. Tom [img]http://www.beyondthishorizon.com/BeyondThisHorizonDigitalBannerPurpleText291x37.gif[/img] Franco 2003-06-25 03:09 | User Profile All -- It seems that Tom Rennick tried his ideology over at VNN Forum, but it did not go over well with VNN Forum moderators -- many of whom are likely NA or similar ideology. Ooops! :lol: madrussian 2003-06-25 03:35 | User Profile Does that mean that we are stuck with renny? :( Uncle John 2003-06-25 03:58 | User Profile Perhaps one of you young guys will form the dynamic, compelling organization which will so dominate white nationalism that it will pull all attention away from Aryan Nations et al. I will give Pastor Butler this: crushed to Earth, he rises again. madrussian 2003-06-25 04:01 | User Profile :lol: :lol: :lol: ** Crack said: **[color=red] I'm still waiting for that "cogent, insightful commentary." [/color] ** Mr. Crack: If you think you're prepared to tangle with someone armed with intellectual nuclear weapons compared to your pop gun mentality, then be my guest. Tom ** Conservative 2003-07-01 22:32 | User Profile We need Original Dissent to serve as the think tank to a brand new White Nationalism that will not have any affiliation with KKK, Neo-Nazis, and Skinheads. Even the Creativity Movement should do its own separate thing, with no links to the new White Nationalism that will be the only version to gain the support of the masses. OD should not have any words like "White Power," "Aryan," and the like. And anyway, these primitive/backwards movements already have their own separate things going: the wealthy Neo-Nazi Skinhead Kevin Strom has his National Alliance, and KKK Don Black has Stormfront. I respect their legal right to free speech and freedom of expression, the government should not be imprisoning them for no valid reasons. But OD should also do its own thing and put forth a mainstream, inspiring, uplifting, and forward thinking strategy. Tom Rennik has the right idea with his site, though I would include some more content regarding the parasitic behavior of Jews. One more suggestion: I think it would be a good idea for OD to not allow anyone to take on screen handles/names that have Neo-Nazi, Skinhead, or KKK words. For example, some may want to register with names such as "KKK Power" or "Skinhead Power," or "Hitler Power" or "Aryan Power" or "White Power 88" (88 stands for the eighth letter of the alphabet, which is 'h'. Thus, 88 means "hh" which stands of "Heil Hitler"). Regards, Ares Franco 2003-07-01 23:08 | User Profile Uncle Franco says: "He who advocates PC 'WN light' is vewwy, vewwy suspishus...uhh...suspicous...uhmm...suspicious." Now you listen to yer Uncle Franco...he knows what's best. :) golfball 2003-07-02 02:32 | User Profile Ares, why do you want to censor people because they belong to established organizations? Nobody is stopping you from forming your own club. Asking the administraters of the board to cut off White Nationalists because you do not agree with them is immature at best. <_< When spoiled children throw a tantrum and have a screaming hissy fit, they show the world just how mature they really are. :( Ares, you are just going to have to accept the fact that groups like the Ku Klux Klan will be around whether you like it or not. Pissing and moaning about the Klan is the same thing that the Jews and non-whites do. :huh: I have some strong views that I know everybody here will not agree with. That is the whole purpose of Original Dissent. To accept the fact that sometimes you have to agree to disagree. ;) Conservative 2003-07-02 02:48 | User Profile *Originally posted by golfball@Jul 1 2003, 20:32 * ** Ares, why do you want to censor people because they belong to established organizations? Nobody is stopping you from forming your own club. Asking the administraters of the board to cut off White Nationalists because you do not agree with them is immature at best.  <_< When spoiled children throw a tantrum and have a screaming hissy fit, they show the world just how mature they really are.  :( Ares, you are just going to have to accept the fact that groups like the Ku Klux Klan will be around whether you like it or not. Pissing and moaning about the Klan is the same thing that the Jews and non-whites do.  :huh: I have some strong views that I know everybody here will not agree with. That is the whole purpose of Original Dissent. To accept the fact that sometimes you have to agree to disagree.  ;) ** And your comments are exactly why the Jews are winning; they are smarter than Whites by as much as Whites are smarter than Blacks. They are masters of propaganda while Whites are dullards. The Jews practice supremacism, but they are too smart to go around shaving their heads, getting tatoos, and lighting up wooden models of David's star while yelling "Jewish power." OD should remain forward thinking and modern, not redneck. Regards, Ares golfball 2003-07-02 02:54 | User Profile Last time I looked, the Jews were losing. They have peace and security in their homeland,..... yeah, right. Jews are parasitic in nature because they have no blessing. Let the Jews suck harder, it is just the verifying signs of their desperation. They will be cut off shortly and they know it. Jews are pulling out all the stops right now, but they have fouled the nest and the rest of the world is getting tired of the stink. Including Whites here in the United States. ;) Bardamu 2003-07-02 03:13 | User Profile Originally posted by Ares@Jul 1 2003, 16:32 * ** the wealthy Neo-Nazi Skinhead Kevin Strom has his National Alliance, ...* Kevin Strom isn't a skinhead -- the guy wears bangs fur cryin out loud. B) Conservative 2003-07-02 03:18 | User Profile Originally posted by Bardamu+Jul 1 2003, 21:13 --> QUOTE (Bardamu @ Jul 1 2003, 21:13 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Ares@Jul 1 2003, 16:32 * ** the wealthy Neo-Nazi Skinhead Kevin Strom has his National Alliance, ...* Kevin Strom isn't a skinhead -- the guy wears bangs fur cryin out loud. B) ** He sells the Skinhead culture, so, if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck. . . Regards, Ares Conservative 2003-07-02 03:36 | User Profile The KKK should get a new mainstream image. They can keep their religious beliefs that Whites are God's Chosen Race and that all Non-Whites will go to Hell. But, get rid of the old iconographies, like the burning crosses and the white robes. In fact, dump the name of "Ku Klux Klan" and use a new name that will have a more positive impact with mainstream White Christians. Perhaps just use the name "Christian Identity Movement" or "White Nationalism Christianity." The current KKK is a big failure, history clearly shows this. Jews are smart enough to realize that if old ideas don't work, try new ones. Why can't the KKK do the same? Regards, Ares golfball 2003-07-02 13:55 | User Profile *Originally posted by Ares@Jul 1 2003, 22:36 * ** The KKK should get a new mainstream image. They can keep their religious beliefs that Whites are God's Chosen Race and that all Non-Whites will go to Hell. But, get rid of the old iconographies, like the burning crosses and the white robes. In fact, dump the name of "Ku Klux Klan" and use a new name that will have a more positive impact with mainstream White Christians. Perhaps just use the name "Christian Identity Movement" or "White Nationalism Christianity." The current KKK is a big failure, history clearly shows this. Jews are smart enough to realize that if old ideas don't work, try new ones. Why can't the KKK do the same? Regards, Ares ** Granted, the Ku Klux Klan is not for everybody. Never was, never will be. Whites have a choice to join whichever type of pro-white organization that they want to. Whether that group is the Ku Klux Klan, National Alliance, Aryan Nations, or Council of Concerned Citizens, EURO, N.O.F.E.A.R., etc...etc.. Each organization offeres a unique way to become involved in the effort to secure free speech and restore rights to Whites originally granted by our Founding Fathers. White children depend on EVERY effort we make to secure their rights and restore the rights that have been taken away. Yes, I am a Klansman. Yes, I am active in political and social change so my children will have a better future than I am looking at now. Organizations that you, Ares, deem useless are what has allowed you to exercise the tiniest spark of dissent towards the current powers that be. The powers that be know we are out there and that gives them pause for thought. Those same powers are controlled by Idiots and influenced by Insane Jews. ( Where's the weapons of mass destruction? :huh: ) Jews want us to cease and desist very badly, just as you do Ares. When organizations like the ones you detest so much lays down and ceases, Whites will no longer enjoy the tenuous hold on liberty that whites still have. This will only benefit Jews, non-whites and people like you Ares. :mellow: Rumblestrip 2003-07-03 23:02 | User Profile *Originally posted by Ares@Jul 1 2003, 21:36 * ** The KKK should get a new mainstream image. They can keep their religious beliefs that Whites are God's Chosen Race and that all Non-Whites will go to Hell. But, get rid of the old iconographies, like the burning crosses and the white robes. In fact, dump the name of "Ku Klux Klan" and use a new name that will have a more positive impact with mainstream White Christians. Perhaps just use the name "Christian Identity Movement" or "White Nationalism Christianity." The current KKK is a big failure, history clearly shows this. Jews are smart enough to realize that if old ideas don't work, try new ones. Why can't the KKK do the same? ** It doesn't matter what we do. It doesn't matter what images we adopt or what terms we use to describe ourselves. The jews will always demonize us and anything that is associated with us. It is time that we stopped running and hiding. We are what we are and that is not going to change. Yes, I understand very well the reaction that the general public has to a cross lighting or a swastika. Given enough time, they will have the same reaction to whatever new symbols we use. Wayland 2003-07-04 03:18 | User Profile Originally posted by madrussian+Jul 3 2003, 12:16 --> QUOTE* (madrussian @ Jul 3 2003, 12:16 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Roger Bannister@Jul 3 2003, 12:13 * ** Are we getting heavier troll traffic by the week? ** They all seem to share renny's dsl line :lol:** I think I see a pattern here: Tom Rennick * "I am convinced that the presence of [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8504&st=60&#entry46248]Neo-Nazis, skinheads, and the KKK[/url] are not "minor issues" but the major, overriding element that is harming the progress of our movement." * "Maybe you'll come to see that it's not the racial beliefs I disapprove of when it comes to [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8504&st=40&#entry45906]Neo-Nazis, skinheads, and the KKK[/url] - but their counter-productive use of these kinds of symbols to promote our struggling cause" Lady_America * " the problem I see, for myself that is, is being categorized as a [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8783&st=20&#entry48236]neo-nazi, skinhead, KKK[/url], etc." Ares (Senior Dissident in just two months!) * "[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8143]KKK, Nazi, and Skinheads[/url], I've read, have been classified as de facto domestic terrorist groups." * "We need Original Dissent to serve as the think tank to a brand new White Nationalism that will not have any affiliation with [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8771&st=0&#entry48163]KKK, Neo-Nazis, and Skinheads[/url]." * "I think it would be a good idea for OD to not allow anyone to take on screen handles/names that have [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8771&st=0&#entry48163]Neo-Nazi, Skinhead, or KKK[/url] words." * "The real ADL infiltrators are those who heavily push the [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8738]KKK, Neo-Nazi, and Skinhead[/url] cultures." * "I have convinced many high IQ and intellectual types to join OD by painstakingly convincing them that this is an intellectual forum, not a hangout for [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8780]KKK, Neo-Nazi, and Skinheads[/url]" * "It is a shame that Don Black does not have the intellect to figure out the common sense fact that affiliating White Nationalism with undesirable freaks such as [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=7565]Nazis, KKK, and Skinheads[/url] will greatly harm the movement." I guess Tom/Lady/Ares will be offering TD his services as a moderator any day now. :lol: Conservative 2003-07-04 04:36 | User Profile *Originally posted by Rumblestrip@Jul 3 2003, 17:02 * ** . Yes, I understand very well the reaction that the general public has to a cross lighting or a swastika. ** It doesn't matter what we do. It doesn't matter what images we adopt or what terms we use to describe ourselves. The jews will always demonize us and anything that is associated with us. So I guess we should even just stop brushing our teeth and going to the dentist, since people will still just refer to us as toothless rednecks. We are what we are and that is not going to change You are what you are, which is your personal verison of White Nationalism. But I support a more inspiring and forward thinking version, which does not include burning crosses and stupid swastikas. Given enough time, they will have the same reaction to whatever new symbols we use. And as each new image becomes taboo, we should keep on changing to fit pop culture. But along the way, many will be converted at each stage of our continuous metamorphosis. Regards, Ares madrussian 2003-07-04 04:50 | User Profile Originally posted by Wayland@Jul 3 2003, 20:18 * I guess Tom/Lady/Ares will be offering TD his services as a moderator any day now. :lol:* Here you are: ** OD Suggestion: Separate History from Science, Separate the Categories Ares  Posted: Jul 3 2003, 21:43 Member Group: Senior Dissident Posts: 171 Member No.: 399 Joined: 29-April 03 Hello, Here is a suggestion: Keep one section called "Science and Technology" and another called "History." You can then have yet another completely separate section called "Privacy, Network Security & Encryption: Personal computer security and privacy." What do you think? Combining history and science seems rather confusing and irritating, they are two completely different subjects. Regards, Ares [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=9054&st=0&#entry48760]http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php...t=0&#entry48760[/url] ** Conservative 2003-07-04 04:55 | User Profile I am not the same person as Tom and Lady. The moderator can easily verify this by comparing IP addresses. Regards, Ares Lady_America 2003-07-04 05:05 | User Profile **I am not the same person as Tom and Lady. The moderator can easily verify this by comparing IP addresses. Regards, Ares ** Ares, It won't do. I've already mentioned several times that Rennick and I are two separate people. Now it appears that not only am I Rennick, but I'm also you, Ares, as well. I think it is because of the "old boys club" syndrome. Nobody would in their right mind would consider anything wrong with the KKK and the like. It wouldn't be logical. However, life goes on and I continue here because some of these same individuals do have something to say. However, I just continue to laugh on this end with them on that end thinking I'm somebody else. But, that's okay. Trust is hard in the WN world. I don't trust them myself! But, I listen and either agree or disagree and sometimes I'll address the issue with my own thoughts. Some of those that do a lot of ridiculing seems to have more one liners and links than substance posting. And, it's getting to the substance posting that's important. Good luck in your posts. Lady Kurt 2003-07-04 14:10 | User Profile It won't do. I've already mentioned several times that Rennick and I are two separate people. Now it appears that not only am I Rennick, but I'm also you, Ares, as well. I think it is because of the "old boys club" syndrome. No. It's more like the "all your posts have a similar attitude, tone, and style to them" syndrome. As Wayland said, "I think I see a pattern here." <_< [SIZE=2]Maybe not the same person, but possibly different people with a common goal, working together. For example, I've visited some lefty websites, newsgroups and chatrooms (it's good to know your enemy), and one of their techniques is to have a few of their people sign-up to a conservative message board, and then they work together to stir-up :dung: and push their agenda. They try hard not to give themselves away, but sometimes they [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8881&st=20]screw-up[/url]. [/SIZE] ** Regards, Ares. ** ** Regards, Lady_America ** [SIZE=2]People can draw their own conclusions. Just looks a wee bit suspicious, that's all I'm saying.[/SIZE] Lady_America 2003-07-04 15:41 | User Profile Maybe not the same person, but possibly different people with a common goal, working together. For example, I've visited some lefty websites, newsgroups and chatrooms (it's good to know your enemy), and one of their techniques is to have a few of their people sign-up to a conservative message board, and then they work together to stir-up  and push their agenda. They try hard not to give themselves away, but sometimes they screw-up. At least I'm seen as my own person by you, Kurt--which I am. There are some issues that I do agree with Rennick and, now Ares. And, I must say, there are others that also agree with the same issues as the three of us. I do not know Ares, but I do know Rennick. Do I wish to be known as Rennick. HELL NO!! But, as the cards fell, it happened that way. A lot of what he has to say is sh*t and the way he says it with anger and spite is not how I ask or say it. He and I go around constantly over issues. But, my philosophy is to try to get your message across in a not arrogant way--which is not his style or method. I could have just changed my name and continued to post on at the forum, but Lady_America was a name I adopted several years back when I first was introduced to the Townhall Forum and I grew to like it. And, I chose not to be so intimidated by the posters here at OD to run away with my tails between my legs because of the suspicion. So, I am here and I will continue to be here. I believe in a lot of what is being presented on the board and it helps me to formulate my own opinion, as well as present it out in amongst my own friends when these types of discussions go on. I live in a very green and liberal town where rastaparian(sp?) hairstyles dominant the culture. It is sometimes difficult to live here and have the liberal garbage shoved down your throat every single minute of the day. However, my time is just about done here and it will be time to move on. As far as any kind of pattern here, perhaps the commonality is that there are three people with similar viewpoints that are somewhat intelligent in presenting their issues in a articulated way (however, I'm struggling to keep my editing errors down and trying to get my topics and issues across clearly). Many people use similar words and salutations. You are really reaching for straws. But, life goes on, and so do many of the issues that are much more important than this silliness. What is it with you and several other posters, Kurt? Can't you guys concentrate on the issues at hand and put out something intelligent like Triskelion? "Regards" Lady na Gaeil is gile 2003-07-04 16:10 | User Profile Well Lady_Rennick may be the worlds first transgenderal White nationalist or maybe not. Their writing styles are quite different - a difficult act to fake. Tommy normal cuts to the point quite quickly and then labours it monomaniacally for about 40 posts. Perhaps Lady_America's themes are similar because she's suffering from the background radiation of Rennick's intellectual nuclear weapons? In anycase she has not proven herself hostile to White nationalism, unlike Ares and his noble quest to build a new master race ( [url=http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/derjude.jpg]Ares’ master race – an artist’s impression[/url] ) And, I chose not to be so intimidated by the posters here at OD to run away with my tails between my legs because of the suspicion...I believe in a lot of what is being presented on the board and it helps me to formulate my own opinion You go girl! Let us know when you have formulated your opinion. Although it remains a complete mystery to me as the [url=http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/3157]Muslim rape machine[/url] marches across Europe, and their brown cousins commit countless similar atrocities in the US, how a woman could be confused as to which side to choose. The shattered lives of tens upon tens of thousand of White women tend to put Klan robes and Nazi tattoos in perspective for me. Lady_America 2003-07-04 16:46 | User Profile *Originally posted by na Gaeil is gile@Jul 4 2003, 10:10 * ** Well Lady_Rennick may be the worlds first transgenderal White nationalist or maybe not. Their writing styles are quite different - a difficult act to fake. Tommy normal cuts to the point quite quickly and then labours it monomaniacally for about 40 posts. Perhaps Lady_America's themes are similar because she's suffering from the background radiation of Rennick's intellectual nuclear weapons? In anycase she has not proven herself hostile to White nationalism, unlike Ares and his noble quest to build a new master race ( [url=http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/derjude.jpg]Ares’ master race – an artist’s impression[/url] ) And, I chose not to be so intimidated by the posters here at OD to run away with my tails between my legs because of the suspicion...I believe in a lot of what is being presented on the board and it helps me to formulate my own opinion You go girl! Let us know when you have formulated your opinion. Although it remains a complete mystery to me as the [url=http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/3157]Muslim rape machine[/url] marches across Europe, and their brown cousins commit countless similar atrocities in the US, how a woman could be confused as to which side to choose. The shattered lives of tens upon tens of thousand of White women tend to put Klan robes and Nazi tattoos in perspective for me. ** Na, Thanks for your posting. I do have my opinion and that I feel that something needs to be done to protect our white race before it is finally strained into miniscules of left-over DNA in a muck of brown sludge. However, I am looking to find an organization or party that I can support wholeheartedly; and, that is what I haven't found yet. If you are female, then it is up to our gender to prevent that from happening. I see a lot of females guilty for misogenation (sp?) and it is utterly mindbending. I just CAN'T picture myself giving birth to another that doesn't share in my 'white' blood. It's also up to the males and holding back their urges of just picking anyone off the street who will submit to their immediate desires. I have two small children that I can talk about a common genealogy with that goes back to 1100 on my mother's side all the way to Scotland and back to 1600's for my father's side from Germany/Switzerland. I refuse to do genealogy for them for African or Asian lines should that occur. But, it's more than genealogy. It's being proud of who you are--where your ancestors came from--and where you are going, or hoping to go. I've been searching for places for my children to meet future spouses. I'm willing to give up somewhat the real place I want to be for a place where my children will be successful in finding a white European type spouse. It's getting real hard to find a spot to concentrate a family in. A place free from what I call immoral characters and ethics and spots that are flowing with minority blood. But, where is that place? The world is getting smaller and smaller everyday. The muslims are all over the place and its their point to control the world and take it back to the time of Cyrus the Great. I don't want Cyrus. I prefer the Greeks and Romans and Henry's and Williams and Louis'. Even though those people had their problems, they were at least for the common man who looked much like them. Franco 2003-07-04 18:31 | User Profile I hope that Lady A is not deluded. She has said that she is turned off by Klan and Nazi groups. How about NA? That's a good group. Tom Robb's Klan group is also good. I think Lady A is looking for a sorta-PC WN group, and she will not find it. The VDARE/AR types have no groups save CofCC, and that group is not effective at this late hour. I remind Lady A that our game [WN] is an All Or Nothing one, or, as I said earlier when I turned a lot of OD'ers off with a certain WN essay, an "All The Marbles" game. CofCC/V-DARE/AR ain't gonna get the job done. They are stuck in second gear concerning WN. Join NA or Robb, and ignore any tattoos. [Or, if you live near Iowa, there is also a good outfit up there]. Wayland 2003-07-04 19:30 | User Profile Originally posted by Lady_America@Jul 4 2003, 08:41 * *I could have just changed my name and continued to post on at the forum, but Lady_America was a name I adopted several years back when I first was introduced to the Townhall Forum and I grew to like it.  And, I chose not to be so intimidated by the posters here at OD to run away with my tails between my legs because of the suspicion.  So, I am here and I will continue to be here.  I believe in a lot of what is being presented on the board and it helps me to formulate my own opinion, as well as present it out in amongst my own friends when these types of discussions go on.  I live in a very green and liberal town where rastaparian(sp?) hairstyles dominant the culture.  It is sometimes difficult to live here and have the liberal garbage shoved down your throat every single minute of the day.  However, my time is just about done here and it will be time to move on. As far as any kind of pattern here, perhaps the commonality is that there are three people with similar viewpoints that are somewhat intelligent in presenting their issues in a articulated way (however, I'm struggling to keep my editing errors down and trying to get my topics and issues across clearly).  Many people use similar words and salutations.  You are really reaching for straws.  But, life goes on, and so do many of the issues that are much more important than this silliness. What is it with you and several other posters, Kurt? Can't you guys concentrate on the issues at hand and put out something intelligent like Triskelion?  "Regards" Lady** I don't believe a goddam word you're saying. You write like a whiny 10 year old, or, more likely, like a guy who doesn't know much about women trying to present himself as a woman. Btw, what happened to Tom? Why did he stop posting once you got active? Aren't you finished with the computer yet? iwannabeanarchy 2003-07-04 19:40 | User Profile *Originally posted by Tom Rennick@Jun 24 2003, 20:26 * ** Real Nazis of the Third Reich were clean-cut, handsome, physically fit men who would have smashed steel-hard fists deep into the ugly, sub-human faces of today's tattooed, shaved-headed filth for daring to insult their honor. Tom ** Er, the Nazis were know to sport a tatto or two. There is not much wrong with tattoos. Actually, anti-tattoo sentiment is Jewish in origin. They are thought by conservative Jews to be ruled out by Deuteronomy. Thus they cause many old-school academics--particularly in psychiatry and psychology--to have hissy fits. Also, non-Pauline Christian pastors also seem to similar a similar kind of mental illness conerning them. As far as neo-Nazis go: while leftists Jews migh have once been the major threat to the Germano-Celtic people, those days are long gone. NN's are idiotic little goons. Laugh at them. Kurt 2003-07-04 19:52 | User Profile Btw, what happened to Tom? Why did he stop posting once you got active? Aren't you finished with the computer yet? Tommy will probably be back soon, with an excuse like, *"Well sorry I was away for so long. I was visiting...um...my sick aunt, and didn't have access to a computer SIZE=2[/SIZE]. Now, what's all this nonsense about me being Ares and Lady_America? Let me set the record straight once and for all: I'm [u]not[/u] them. I mean, how [u]could[/u] I be? I was visting my sick aunt, and didn't have access to a computer, remember?" Regards, Tom* Kurt 2003-07-04 19:58 | User Profile I just have trouble understanding these threads. KKK, Neo-Nazis, Skinheads Give WN Bad Name A bad name to who? The Jews? Who gives a :dung: what they think. You can't reason with jews. To them, there's no difference between Kevin A. Strom and VNN; and Joe Sobran and VDARE. Sorry, but I refuse to play their yiddish games. Franco 2003-07-04 21:09 | User Profile For the record, Lady A is legit. She used to post at TownHall a few years back, as did I. Alka 2003-07-04 21:56 | User Profile Say it like it is, Kurt. :rock: What does give White Nationalism a bad name are the idiots who characterize the Jew as superior. The Jew is inherently debased, degenerate, inferior: they enjoy the influence that they have simply through animalistic cunning and cooperative skills - and that's it. If I hear another so-called supposed White Nationalist race traitor give voice to the lie that Jews are superior in any conceivable manner, I might just puke. In the light of the aformentioned moron's statements, the most vulgar display by the most uneducated and violent skinhead appears virtually saintlike. Don't be overly critical of our extremists, our militants: they are our fists, our shouts, they are the first in the firing line. I may not personally be a violent person, or agree with a simplistic vision of hatred, but I won't slam those who choose to take it to the next level. Lady_America 2003-07-04 22:17 | User Profile [code]Btw, what happened to Tom? Why did he stop posting once you got active? Aren't you finished with the computer yet?[/code] He said now he refuses to go back to OD. Maybe one day he'll break down and do it. He was pissed off because I refused to change my name after he accidentally posted under my name on his computer. He logged me on to his computer because I couldn't get my Avatar picture up and it was the required 80x80. So, if edited it down to 80x80 and helped put up my Avatar. But, he didn't log me out before he posted a reply to a topic and my name came up with him signing 'Tom'. He felt that I should change my name and continue to go to OD. But, I took the name Lady_America years ago when TownHall was up and running and really took a liking for it. It represents Lady Liberty, but also a love for a country that once was. I won't be intimidated into changing my name. It was his mistake and not his. He needs to change his name, he doesn't want Rennick and Lady_America associated with each other. Personally, I can see his point. I DON'T want to be ASSOCIATED with Rennick! So Wayland, since I hadn't responded to you before, I felt you deserved a little bit of explanation, in case you missed what happened days ago. I will say this one last thing about the whole situation. I am who I say I am and whether you call me Tom Rennick or Ares, it will be your loss if you choose to bypass on an intelligent exchange between us. There's so much more important outside this forum to worry about than whether I'm a troll or not. You will be wrong in the end. Cheerio, Regards, Truly Yours, Sincerely Lady_America Edana 2003-07-04 23:24 | User Profile I think you're legit, but you really need to help Rennick with his "people skills" if he wants people to believe he is. Alka 2003-07-04 23:27 | User Profile :rolleyes: :lol: :sm: Franco 2003-07-04 23:30 | User Profile Does Tex know about that Rennick/Lady A computer log-on switcheroo? Send him a PM about it so he knows. 'Cause if he doesn't know, I vouched for you and that makes ME look like a troll, too. Ditto, send it to FredWilliam I. :o :o Wayland 2003-07-05 01:03 | User Profile Originally posted by Franco@Jul 4 2003, 16:30 * *Does Tex know about that Rennick/Lady A computer log-on switcheroo? Send him a PM about it so he knows. 'Cause if he doesn't know, I vouched for you and that makes ME look like a troll, too. Ditto, send it to FredWilliam I. :o  :o** Why do you vouch for her/it Franco? Because you encountered somebody using that same name in another forum a few years ago? And the reason this type of hoaxster couldn't keep this running for years is... what? That people never do things like that? It's good thing none of us here are as gullible as all those other dumb whites who fall for the Jew tricksters. Nosiree, we're too smart for that. :ph34r: Wayland 2003-07-05 01:09 | User Profile It doesn't really matter who these recent arrivals to OD are - Ares, Lady_America, Tom Rennick - on the internet nobody knows you're a Jew anyway (har, har). The point that needs to be recognized is that they're all enthusiastically [url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?showtopic=8771&st=20&#entry48752]naming the skinhead[/url]. Now why is that? Let me present a hypothetical: Let's say you were a member of a group (or tribe) that felt threatened by the growing number of people in the nationalist/racialist groups - meaning groups ranging from paleoconservatives right out to skinheads and other White Power types. Would it be to your advantage to build up hostility between the paleocons and the White Power groups? Could you do this joining online forums and hammering on the paleocons about how bad the image of "neo-nazis, KKK and skinheads" were for the white nationalist/racialist movement? Would it be good for Jews to keep the nationalist/racialist groups from ever coalescing into a meaningful opposition to their own dominate position in the western nations? The skinhead White Power groups are the future of the nationalist/racialist movement whether the paleocons like it or not. They've been around for twenty-five years or more, their numbers are growing every year, and they are by far the greatest existing threat to Jewish power. It's not a fad and they aren't going away. The Jews will have to kill them first. Consider this: Instead of paleocons getting their panties in a bunch every time they see a swastika, what if they recognized that the skinheads ARE ON THEIR SIDE? If you don't like them because you think you're too good to associate with what you consider to be white trash, just try seeing them as the white warrior class. Because when that racial crunch time arrives, these are the guys that are going to get the job done. Lady_America 2003-07-05 01:23 | User Profile ...just try seeing them as the white warrior class. Because when that racial crunch time arrives, these are the guys that are going to get the job done. Definitely so. I agree. However, until that day comes we should push our cause like a product. And a good product will sell if it smells good, tastes good and looks good. Let our product sell. Then the 'generic' brand can absorb all the beasts that need to be defeated. Business first...war later. Truly, Lady Texas Dissident 2003-07-05 08:03 | User Profile Originally posted by Franco@Jul 4 2003, 18:30 * *Does Tex know about that Rennick/Lady A computer log-on switcheroo? ** Yes, I know. Lady A was gracious and forthright enough to send me an email as soon as the mixed up post was made. As of now I see no reason not to take Lady A's story at face value as the truth. As to the greater point of this thread, I certainly understand Ares and Rennick's concern about distancing themselves and white nationalism from the images invoked by neo-nazis, skinheads and klansmen. I've expressed to them already that there should be no fear of OD becoming Stormfront, Jr., not only because myself or my closest advisors do not share the ideology represented by the racial extremists, but also because there is already numerous places on the 'net for those sorts of folks to let it all hang out. We're trying to do something different here and that is namely a disscussion board where all issues of the greater Right can be discussed in an intelligent manner. That in a nutshell is how I vision this place and make efforts to shape it that way. The reality is that the overt racialists that Rennick and Ares fear will represent the greater movement are really only mentioned here by them. In other words, to a degree they are exacerbating their own problem. Now having said that, I'm an easy-going and pretty mild-mannered guy. I don't go seeking controversy or fights with folks that I perceive are neutral towards myself or where I stand ideologically (with the exception of neo-conservatives, of course). The threats posed to what I believe in are too great to go nit-picking among various other ideological camps where I may find common cause to advance my position on a specific issue, left or right. Live and let live, if you will. If hard-core racialists respect me and my convictions, I will not attack them for their stands out of some other groups expectation of what it means to be respectable. This goes for those on the Left, as well. I wrote the board's guidelines and generally, they have served our community well I think. There are members here who I disagree with fundamentally and others who certainly think I'm full of :dung:. And that's ok. As long as they respect the rules I've loosely set up, then we can talk about it and hammer out our differences and agreements. That's what this place is all about and may the best ideas win. I don't believe I have all the answers and come here to learn as much as anyone else. Most all of our members who disagree with me usually respect the guidelines and make efforts to fashion their posts in accordance with them. That's really all I ask. I do my best to present myself as one who deals with everyone with a certain amount of honesty, professionalism and integrity. There's no one here who is stupid, so I like to think that they recognize that in me and strive to present themselves in the same manner. While I don't want to sound like I'm tooting my own horn, but I believe the level of debate on so many various topics that is found here, as well as our growing membership, speaks volumes about the success of this approach. After all, we are grown adults talking about the gravest of issues for our people and way of life. We should make every effort to go about this business in an adult and responsible manner. As self-styled defenders of western civilization, that is the birthright given to us and we should give our upmost for that highest ideal. iwannabeanarchy 2003-07-05 15:57 | User Profile This idea that 'Jews' would want to distance paleoconservatives from skins and neo-Nazis is absurd. ADL types go out of their way to lump these groups together. They know that paleos shedding their anti-Semite image is key to their mass popularity. Americas will not tolerate too much anti-Semitism; only a bit of judeo-critical thought is allowed (and even welcomed). The 1st rule of politics: always have the Jews on your side. Lady_America 2003-07-05 17:19 | User Profile Yes, I know. Lady A was gracious and forthright enough to send me an email as soon as the mixed up post was made. As of now I see no reason not to take Lady A's story at face value as the truth. Thanks, Tex. Now I and other posters can focus on and discuss the greater issues at hand that are jeopardizing our future. I personnally have no answers--only an idea of a starting point. I try to approach problems like a business. So, I assign our problem as a product. And, if I want my product to sell and compete out in the marketplace, I try to make it the best product out there and since my product is reflective of what I am, I want it to be positive and worth taking a look at for others out on the fringe. Lady_America 2003-07-05 17:23 | User Profile *Originally posted by Edana@Jul 4 2003, 17:24 * ** I think you're legit, but you really need to help Rennick with his "people skills" if he wants people to believe he is. ** Edana, I have tried. But first, the person you are trying to help must accept or feel that there is a problem with their method. I can only be an example and cannot be responsible for any other's action but my own. Wayland 2003-07-05 18:30 | User Profile Originally posted by iwannabeanarchy@Jul 5 2003, 08:57 * This idea that 'Jews' would want to distance paleoconservatives from skins and neo-Nazis is absurd.  ADL types go out of their way to lump these groups together.* What do Jews do when they want to bring a renegade politician into line? They accuse him of being an anti-Semite. And what's his reaction? "An anti-Semite? No, no, not me. I'm nothing like those people!". It's the same with their attempt to smear racially aware conservatives by associating them with neo-nazis - it gets them to bow and scrape as they swear to never have anything to do with those people. They know that paleos shedding their anti-Semite image is key to their mass popularity. Pure nonsense. Most people don't even know what a paleo-conservative is, never mind knowing that some paleos might hold views the Jews don't like. **Americas will not tolerate too much anti-Semitism;  only a bit of judeo-critical thought is allowed (and even welcomed). ** Prove it. Present your studies showing that Americans, once enlightened as to the true history of the Jews and their relentless efforts to destroy white ethnic awareness and undermine Euro-civilization, won't tolerate anti-Semitism. The 1st rule of politics:  always have the Jews on your side. The 1st rule of Jewish politics: convince the goyim they always need the Jews on their side. Franco 2003-07-05 18:38 | User Profile Tex's point is noted. OD is not SF lite. It should also be noted by OD'ers that I do not dislike Rennick or Ares per se -- they may be fine folks under all that Ralph Lauren. I only dislike the idea of cutting 1/2 of the WN movement [Klan, Nazis] out of the movement. What a crazy idea. I also dislike watering down a movement to appeal to Debbie Shops-A-Lot and Sam The Button-Down Car Salesman With Patent-Leather Shoes. Ours is a racial movement, not fun-at-the-beach-with-the-kiddies. [The West is the WHITE WEST. See the race angle? See the thrust?] A warmer and fuzzier WN movement is not necessarily a better WN movement. The wimps will limit its effectiveness and it will soon become a garden tea party full of moderates and Jews, just like the Right is now. We hard-liners have thought this matter thru, since we think about this matter 24/7. We CANNOT go all wimpy and expect to survive. As my grandpa said, "never fight a war half-assed. All, or nothing." Words ta live by, I say... :mellow: Ruffin 2003-07-05 18:58 | User Profile Lumping race-conscious people together under a label of unseemliness, as the Jews have defined hardline white organizations for public consumption, is compatible with but not the same thing as convincing some whites that their all important image will be damaged by association with those demonized groups. IMO anyone who dwells on image perception in more than a passing response should be held at arms length, at the least, and maybe even quizzed a little about their other views. Give them some kind of electronic spit to be baptismally spewed on a map of Izzyreal, repeatedly, or something. Lady_America 2003-07-05 19:26 | User Profile *Originally posted by Franco@Jul 5 2003, 12:38 * ** Tex's point is noted. OD is not SF lite. It should also be noted by OD'ers that I do not dislike Rennick or Ares per se -- they may be fine folks under all that Ralph Lauren. I only dislike the idea of cutting 1/2 of the WN movement [Klan, Nazis] out of the movement. What a crazy idea. I also dislike watering down a movement to appeal to Debbie Shops-A-Lot and Sam The Button-Down Car Salesman With Patent-Leather Shoes. Ours is a racial movement, not fun-at-the-beach-with-the-kiddies. [The West is the WHITE WEST. See the race angle? See the thrust?] A warmer and fuzzier WN movement is not necessarily a better WN movement. The wimps will limit its effectiveness and it will soon become a garden tea party full of moderates and Jews, just like the Right is now. We hard-liners have thought this matter thru, since we think about this matter 24/7. We CANNOT go all wimpy and expect to survive. As my grandpa said, "never fight a war half-assed. All, or nothing." Words ta live by, I say... :mellow: ** I agree. All must be involved. However, the front man who should take us forward should be someone or people that don't appear threatening to those on the fringe or those who need prodding. It's also like listening to music. Music that is appealing to the majority of those who you finally get to hear it, will buy the piece. However, those who are turned off by the piece by that artist, may not listen to another song by them. We are all together on the issue that something needs to be done, and it needs to be done now and not later. But, there seems to be so many captains out there, and I'm probably perceived as one of them (but I don't consider myself as one), and not enough soldiers. Like the military, there are different services and within those services are battalions and platoons, thus the KKK, neo-nazis, AR, NA, etc. But, above them all is a secretary that commands them all who answers to even someone above him. We are at war and need a unity to satisfy all tastes. And, that includes the older person, such as the grandparents who may spend a lot of quality time with the grandchild who is developing. We need to help the grandparent to also ***teach and direct *** those young souls along. Parents are a guiding force, but sometimes children's ears close because "mom and dad" don't know what they are talking about. So, that is why the older members of our cause need to feel comfortable and need role models who are clean cut for the younger children who are more conservative and feel comfortable with who they are presenting to the 'kids' as someone they should follow, especially if the grandparents go against the parents have become part of the problem. Unfortunately, not all children regard parents as role models. Some should, while others definitely shouldn't. The walls should be filled with posters of WN who won't turn a head, instead of the black rap artist. Lady Wayland 2003-07-05 19:39 | User Profile Originally posted by Ruffin@Jul 5 2003, 11:58 * Lumping race-conscious people together under a label of unseemliness, as the Jews have defined hardline white organizations for public consumption, is compatible with but not the same thing as convincing some whites that their all important image will be damaged by association with those demonized groups. IMO anyone who dwells on image perception in more than a passing response should be held at arms length, at the least, and maybe even quizzed a little about their other views. Give them some kind of electronic spit to be baptismally spewed on a map of Izzyreal, repeatedly, or something.* I find this whole idea that we must dissociate ourselves from Aryan symbology, that the average white will be deeply offended by it and so on, to be highly suspect. Everybody seems to be worried about what the other guy might think, but at the same time they're not bothered by it themselves. People like cool symbols, especially young people, and I don't think sane, intelligent people are put off by them at all. In fact, I think just the opposite is true - they provoke curiousity. And I think a certain tribe is very, very worried that sporting Third Reich tattoos could one day become the in thing. That's why they've made it a crime to display these symbols in most of Europe: not because people run the other way when they see them, but because they're attracted to them. Think about it. iwannabeanarchy 2003-07-05 20:26 | User Profile Nazi butchers target and killed six million Jewish civilians. If you think Nazi symbols are going to be 'it' item of the future, please increase the dosage of your anti-psychotic medication. If you simply mean that symbols that the Nazi swine happened to appropriate are often wonderful, and destined for a comeback: could be. Wayland 2003-07-05 21:09 | User Profile [color=blue]iwannabeanarchy: Nazi butchers target and killed six million Jewish civilians.[/color] Interesting. Do you think people who disagree with your interpretation of that period of history should be punished? Silenced? Executed? Franco 2003-07-06 02:24 | User Profile How come iwannabeanarchy did not mention THE 20 MILLION CHRISTIANS MURDERED BY THE JEWISH BOLSHEVIKS FROM 1917-ONWARD? Why only the bogus "6 million Jews?" [More like 2 million, mostly commies, and they starved]. Inquiring minds must know. What is Mr. iwanna's game? Alka 2003-07-06 03:13 | User Profile I'd also like to know why iwannabeanarchy only mentions the Jewish victims of WWII. What about all the other civillians who died in that war? Don't you care/think about them? Why not? Okiereddust 2003-07-06 03:34 | User Profile Originally posted by Franco@Jul 5 2003, 18:38 * *A warmer and fuzzier WN movement is not necessarily a better WN movement. ** Please. You're making your puppy dog whimper :lol: iwannabeanarchy 2003-07-06 16:12 | User Profile The issue is the status of the Nazi's in the popular consciousness. Also, there is a definite distinction between simply causing the death of civilians, and killing civilians because you have targeted civilians for death. There are limits to how many Xtians the Nazi's targeted in this way. Finally, what the Nazis did to do the Jews is sufficient to rule them out as valuable sources of symbolism. This view that one must always list additional crimes when discussing the Holocaust strikes me as some bizarre new PC impulses, the kind of thing Sister Sousha would demand if she were a white nationalist. Kevin Alfred Strom 2003-07-07 12:48 | User Profile Originally posted by Ares@Jul 1 2003, 16:32 * ...the wealthy Neo-Nazi Skinhead Kevin Strom has his National Alliance...* Clearly the man doesn't know me. All of his descriptors are inaccurate -- and I do object to being called "wealthy." Leaving aside the not-too-interesting subject of me, it seems that Mr. Ares' proposals (which are syntactically similar to a certain other poster here) amount to hoping that we can come up with an "act" that somehow persuades the self-chosen to allow their White livestock to live (Why am I not comfortable with such an arrangement?) -- or to convince them that they and we are really the same tribe after all (not too persuasive to them, I expect). With all good wishes, Kevin. [url=http://www.kevin-strom.com/]http://www.kevin-strom.com/[/url] [url=http://www.revilo-oliver.com/]http://www.revilo-oliver.com/[/url] golfball 2003-07-07 13:51 | User Profile Originally posted by Ruffin@Jul 5 2003, 13:58 * ** Lumping race-conscious people together under a label of unseemliness, as the Jews have defined hardline white organizations for public consumption, is compatible with but not the same thing as convincing some whites that their all important image* will be damaged by association with those demonized groups. IMO anyone who dwells on image perception in more than a passing response should be held at arms length, at the least, and maybe even quizzed a little about their other views. ...... ** You have it pegged well sir! ;) In order to create dissention, Jews and their kind forment disagreement between whites and Pro-white organizations. Remember, it is in their interest and the interest of other non-whites as well to cause rifts to form between the people and their champions to such an extent that the people are compelled to turn against those that could help them. Therefore, the children of Satan, the Jews, celebrate another victory. For they have worked their deception and their seeds of deceit are taking root in the minds of the weak and easily influenced. Lady_America 2003-07-07 22:05 | User Profile Originally posted by Wayland@Jul 5 2003, 13:39 * ** People like cool symbols, especially young people, and I don't think sane, intelligent people are put off by them at all. In fact, I think just the opposite is true - they provoke curiousity. And I think a certain tribe is very, very worried that sporting Third Reich tattoos could one day become the in* thing. That's why they've made it a crime to display these symbols in most of Europe: not because people run the other way when they see them, but because they're attracted to them. Think about it. ** Actually Wayland, I have thought about it and disagree with you that what some call 'cool symbols' others would not so cool. What you may consider cool, may not be what I call cool. And, the only curiousity that I might have for some 'cool symbols' would be 'what are they thinking', 'why would they want to do that to themselves' and so on. There are tribes in Borneo (I believe they are there, or in South America) who attach wooden polls to their manly objects. They are symbols. Some of the tribe may think they are 'cool'. But, to me Wayland, they are not so 'cool'. As far as your comment about Third Reich tattoos, IMHO, I don't think tattoos are cool at all. No matter how small or delicate or intricate or loud they may be. Again, the tattoo being a 'cool symbol' is not so cool. And, Wayland, I am intelligent and sane and I am put off by them. Self-mutilation in all forms get a lift of my eye. Curiousity--none. I find most of them revolting. I have family members with tattoos--both male and female. Theirs honouring families, loved ones, religious, etc. are still a turn-off to me. What do I do about it? Nothing and something. I have nothing to do with those who deliberately mutilate themselves so bad with gross tattoos from top to bottom to side to side. They generally do not get my respect. Those people generally have real bad attitudes that go with the tattoos. I haven't met one of those type of people without a bad attitude. However, I don't rule out they don't exist. For the others that I care about, I ask why and what got into them. For those they have had them for awhile and have had a change of heart, they are often embarrassed. The one thing that they all have in common is that usually the tattoos have come early in life. When they are older and wiser, some find that their 'cool symbols' are not so cool anymore and may be a little shamed that a 'friend' talked them into something so foolish. As far as making it a crime, I don't agree with Europe for doing so. Let all continue to portray their 'cool symbols' all they want. But, keep in mind, many in masses do not think they are 'cool', nor are they 'curious'. They find them utterly revolting. But, again if you should poll those people that are in the class, you'll get a resounding majority that say 'yes' they are 'cool'. One final note. If they are so 'cool', and if they bring in the 'masses' for the support of WN, why is it that those people who do lead in the upper echelon void of those of symbols and costumes? Or, haven't I seen them decked in their 'cool symbols' yet? I believe those in the business know where their financial support comes from. So, they aren't about to rock their bankroll by publicly commenting in a negative sense, as they depend upon the profits from the sale of those 'cool' items. I will, speak out, however, as those 'cool symbols' and those who adorn them do not provide my paycheck. They do, however, quiet the support from those on the fringe who would otherwise support the cause. If those who deck out in their 'cool symbols' should and can be heard, then my voice criticizing those 'cool symbols' should also be allowed to be heard without the laborious repercussions and snide remarks. Maybe I should start donning a starfleet or star wars uniform then we all could live in a fantasy world; although, my comment is not directed at all (especially those that DO don a starfleet or star wars uniform :rolleyes: ) to those who are really passionate about the issues. Rumblestrip 2003-07-08 10:29 | User Profile ** So I  guess we should even just stop brushing our teeth and going to the dentist, since people will still just refer to us as toothless rednecks ** If ignoring your personal health and hygene is the answer for you then go right ahead. I'll even buy you a case of tic-tacs. ** You are what you are, which is your personal verison of White Nationalism.  But I support a more inspiring and forward thinking version, which does not include burning crosses and stupid swastikas. ** And not all of us light crosses or wear swastikas. But for those who those symbols are sacred, they should keep them, as long as they understand that those symbols have their place but are not appropriate in others. ** And as each new image becomes taboo, we should keep on changing to fit pop culture.  But along the way, many will be converted at each stage of our continuous metamorphosis. ** Sure, as long as we're seen as "cool," right? Why not get some flashy TV ads with a rap-inspired theme song? Be careful that you don't change who you are while changing those symbols. It is too easy to do and I'm afraid that I see it happening. Rumblestrip 2003-07-08 10:34 | User Profile *Originally posted by Wayland@Jul 4 2003, 19:09 * ** The skinhead White Power groups are the future of the nationalist/racialist movement whether the paleocons like it or not. They've been around for twenty-five years or more, their numbers are growing every year, and they are by far the greatest existing threat to Jewish power. It's not a fad and they aren't going away. The Jews will have to kill them first. Consider this: Instead of paleocons getting their panties in a bunch every time they see a swastika, what if they recognized that the skinheads ARE ON THEIR SIDE? If you don't like them because you think you're too good to associate with what you consider to be white trash, just try seeing them as the white warrior class. Because when that racial crunch time arrives, these are the guys that are going to get the job done. ** The problem is that too many can't let go of the Hollywood image of the Skinhead. When you strip away all of the crap, being a Skinhead is all about dedication to the White race. Pride, Honor and Loyalty. The rest doesn't mean a thing when you get down to business. Yeah the music and the parties are all fun and are a big part of Skinhead culture... but lots of us have jobs and families too. Heck some of us Skins are even college-educated these days. Conservative 2003-07-08 20:23 | User Profile *Originally posted by Kevin Alfred Strom@Jul 7 2003, 06:48 * ** it seems that Mr. Ares' proposals (which are syntactically similar to a certain other poster here) amount to hoping that we can come up with an "act" that somehow persuades the self-chosen to allow their White livestock to live Kevin. ** No, I want us to put forth an act that will get the White masses to join us, NOT to get the Jews to accept us. My comments may have confused you. Regards, Ares Conservative 2003-07-08 20:33 | User Profile *Originally posted by Rumblestrip@Jul 8 2003, 04:34 * ** If you don't like them because you think you're too good to associate with what you consider to be white trash, just try seeing them as the white warrior class. Because when that racial crunch time arrives, these are the guys that are going to get the job done. ** Actually, to clarify, I don't think any White person is trash because of their socio-economic status. It is rather those that go out of their way to make the WN movement look stupid that I consider trash. Basically, KKK, Neo-Nazis, and Skinheads. But aside from that, I would consider a garbage man equal to me as long as he carried himself with dignity. And I myself would take a job as a garbage man if the WN society I lived in needed such services, and I would be proud simply of the fact that I am contributing something useful to my nation. Regards, Ares Lady_America 2003-07-08 23:14 | User Profile Originally posted by Rumblestrip@Jul 8 2003, 04:29 * ** And not all of us light crosses or wear swastikas. But for those who those symbols are sacred, they should keep them, as long as they understand that those symbols have their place but are not appropriate in others.* Well spoken, but unfortunately not heeded, thus we are all considered skinheads. Lady Rumblestrip 2003-07-09 10:58 | User Profile Originally posted by Ares+Jul 8 2003, 14:33 --> QUOTE* (Ares @ Jul 8 2003, 14:33 ) <!--QuoteBegin-Rumblestrip@Jul 8 2003, 04:34 * ** If you don't like them because you think you're too good to associate with what you consider to be white trash, just try seeing them as the white warrior class. Because when that racial crunch time arrives, these are the guys that are going to get the job done. ** Actually, to clarify, I don't think any White person is trash because of their socio-economic status. It is rather those that go out of their way to make the WN movement look stupid that I consider trash. Basically, KKK, Neo-Nazis, and Skinheads. But aside from that, I would consider a garbage man equal to me as long as he carried himself with dignity. And I myself would take a job as a garbage man if the WN society I lived in needed such services, and I would be proud simply of the fact that I am contributing something useful to my nation. Regards, Ares ** Ah, check your attributions. I didn't write that. Conservative 2003-07-09 23:41 | User Profile You might be a Neo-Nazi, Skinhead, or KKK member if: 1.) that billboard that says, “Say No To Crack” reminds you to pull up your jeans. 2.) you go to your family reunions looking for a date. 3.) you think a Volvo is part of a woman’s anatomy. 4.) your Junior/Senior Prom had a Daycare. 5.) you’ve got more than three cousins named “Bubba”. 6.) you break wind in public and blame it on your kid. 7.) you honest-to-God think women are turned on by animal noises and seductive tongue gestures. 8.) you time your belches to achieve a personal best. 9.) your favorite restaurant has the word “eats” anywhere in the name. 10.) during the wedding ceremony the minister said, “Do you, DeWayne, take Connie to be your old lady?” 11.) you think that anyone with ten fingers and toes is abnormal. 12.) you think the theory of relativity has something to do with inbreeding. 13.) you wake up in the morning already dressed for work. 14.) you’ve ever gotten into a fist fight over a bowling score. 15.) three-fourths of all the clothes you own have logos on them. 16.) you prefer car keys to Q-tips. 17.) you own more than three shirts with the sleeves cut off. 18.) there’s no cutoff age for sleeping with your parents. 19.) you’re familiar with Copenhagen but have never heard of Denmark. 20.) you’ve ever relieved yourself from a moving vehicle. 21.) you call your boss “dude.” Rumblestrip 2003-07-11 17:56 | User Profile ** You might be a Neo-Nazi, Skinhead, or KKK member if: ** :rolleyes: Oh well, there goes any chance of having a serious dicsussion. golfball 2003-07-11 22:31 | User Profile Yes, it appears that Ares is bound and determined to distance drowning White people from the life rafts and life rings. Just like any good Jew. :rolleyes: