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2003-06-23 01:23 | User Profile
City councillor blames 'non-whites' for violence
The Ottawa Citizen June 20, 2003
Ottawa Councillor Jan Harder was dealing with charges of racism from her constituents yesterday after she blamed recent troubles in Barrhaven on "non-whites coming into our community looking to cause trouble."
Ms. Harder's comments were in reference to an attack on a 23-year-old man by a group of a dozen youths who slashed him across the back with a knife early this month in Barrhaven.
The Bell-South Nepean councillor, who represents the suburb, told Nepean This Week that: "The problem arises when a large group of -- I'm going to say it -- non-whites comes into our community looking to cause trouble."
Ms. Harder yesterday defended her comments, saying they weren't racist and shouldn't be taken in that context.
"I'm not defining race," she said. "It's police terminology, not mine. That's how the police report it and that's why I use that terminology. In that particular case, it was non-whites, so I'm reporting accurately."
Ms. Harder said she expects support rather than criticism from her constituents.
"It's nothing I haven't heard from the kids and parents," she said. "I've had so many e-mails and calls from people saying 'We're really glad you're working on this Jan. We're nervous about letting the kids go out in the evening.'
"On a weekly basis, I don't have a community of angels out here. Come on. I have all the problems everybody else has."
"Those remarks are racist, there's no ifs, ands or buts," said Councillor Alex Cullen. "To categorize (gang problems) in racist terms is misleading and counterproductive."
Mr. Cullen called on Ms. Harder to apologize.
"She owes it to every non-white in the city, she owes them an apology," he said, adding that visible minorities form a fifth of the city's population.
Some community leaders are livid as a result of Ms. Harder's comments.
Ewart Walters, the editor of the Spectrum, a monthly multicultural newspaper, said he was offended.
"This is my community and I very much take offence to her trying to divide it and leave me out of it," Mr. Walters said. "I am non-white and I am certainly part of this community."
Councillor Rick Chiarelli said he thought Ms. Harder had moved past "these type of comments." Mr. Chiarelli was reffering to an incident in April 2001 when Ms. Harder angered some members of the city's Chinese community by referring on CFRA radio to what she called the "Asian influence" in the city's west end.
"What's coming up is a huge Asian influence, if you will, with people moving to Nepean and Kanata of that background," Ms. Harder said at the time.
Ms. Harder said last night that those comments were, and still are, misunderstood.
"The Asian comment is about demographics in different areas of the city," she said. "The amount of people from Asia that were in Nepean was huge. We should be serving them. That was my point at that time, that's my point today."
Sri Baga, 22, who moved to Ottawa from Sri Lanka in 1992, was delivering Nepean This Week last night, the paper in which Ms. Harder was quoted.
"It's hard to understand where she is coming from," Mr. Baga said. "I don't want to hurt her, but she's hurting the feeling of the non-white community."
Mr. Baga said his family moved to Barrhaven in June and he considers the neighbourhood peaceful. He said that one or two people might be violent, but that shouldn't lead to labelling an entire community.
Meanwhile, some youths in the area last night said they thought Ms. Harder's assessment was on the money.
"They come down because we're suburban kids. I have been chilling here since I was 12. It was a safe haven, but they're going to keep coming and it's getting worse," said Andrew Racine.
"She may be racist, but she's truthful," Mr. Racine's friend, J.L. Jarvis added.
SOURCE: [url=http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=b793fc3c-2cb1-4ade-b1c6-cd60fec7baa5]http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id...c6-cd60fec7baa5[/url]
2003-06-23 01:26 | User Profile
Kingston police want to conduct race-based study Ottawa councillor's comments show why racial data needed, analyst says
The Ottawa Citizen June 22, 2003
Even as Ottawa Councillor Jan Harder remains in the hot seat for blaming violence in Barrhaven on "non-whites," Kingston police are one step closer to recording the race and ethnicity of every person they stop.
The controversial plan, approved by the Kingston Police Services Board last week, would see police record the race and ethnicity of each person they pull over or question.
Ms. Harder, who defended her comments by saying she was merely using police terminology in discussing violence in west Ottawa, was unavailable for comment on a criminal complaint filed against her on Friday that alleges her remarks violated hate laws.
Last week, the Bell-South Nepean councillor told Nepean This Week: "The problem arises when a large group of -- I'm going to say it -- non-whites comes into our community looking to cause trouble."
But Kingston police, who are actively seeking to use racial terms to collect and interpret data, don't think Ms. Harder's remarks reflect the spirit of their plan. "When that kind of statement is made, we go right back to square one," said Ray Lonsdale, the crime analyst who will devise the method Kingston police will use to draw conclusions from the data.
"Obviously, this woman gave them another anecdote -- another reason -- not to trust white people again," added Mr. Lonsdale, a 10-year veteran crime analyst. "They just walk away from the table."
Kingston's proposed plan, which still could be nixed when it's reviewed by the board in July, would make officers accountable by showing who they stop and why. "In a nutshell, we want to be as transparent as we can be," he said.
Mr. Lonsdale said the record-keeping and the report he will help write should prove Kingston police don't use racial profiling. And if the data show racial-profiling does go on, "we need to stop it."
The plan will use new "contact" cards police use to record information about those they stop. Where previous cards had options for a person's "complexion," the new cards will allow police to tick either white, black, Asian, south Asian, aboriginal or other.
If the one-year project comes into effect, it would be the first of its kind in Canada and would mimic similar programs already in place in the U.S.
The plan is controversial with both civilian groups -- who claim it is racist -- and with some police, who believe it paints them as bigots. Mr. Lonsdale proposed the record-keeping after some residents aimed charges of racial-profiling at police in Kingston, where blacks represent less than 1 per cent of the population.
SOURCE: [url=http://www.canada.com/ottawa/story.asp?id=060CFABF-46BB-4C5C-9166-116B65AADD76]http://www.canada.com/ottawa/story.asp?id=...66-116B65AADD76[/url]
2003-06-23 08:39 | User Profile
Ottawa Councillor Jan Harder was dealing with charges of racism from her constituents yesterday after she blamed recent troubles in Barrhaven on "non-whites coming into our community looking to cause trouble."
Maybe from her brown constituents, but that's about all.
Even as Ottawa Councillor Jan Harder remains in the hot seat for blaming violence in Barrhaven on "non-whites".....
Let's strap the jews into the "hot seat" and throw the switch.
2003-06-23 15:29 | User Profile
Great articles. Ever since the immigration policies were (essentially) flushed down the toilet, we've been seeing an influx of the world's garbage in Canada. What we need to do in this country, is set up a board to review every immigrant that has set foot in this country since the 1980's. If they've committed any serious crimes, their citizenship should be revoked, and they should be sent home.
2003-06-23 18:14 | User Profile
**"Those remarks are racist, there's no ifs, ands or buts," said Councillor Alex Cullen. "To categorize (gang problems) in racist terms is misleading and counterproductive." **
I don't specifically know about the demographics of Ottawa, but if it's anything like any major metropolitan area in the US the above statement is really saying;
"it doesn't facilitate our agenda of forcing multiculturilism down everyones throat's if you start telling the truth about who is responsible for gang violence."
More politically correct crap from the socialist republic of Canada. They are getting as loopy as the idiots who run California.
2003-07-02 00:21 | User Profile
Back to the Issue At Hand - FWI
Councillor may quit; accuses mayor of lack of leadership
Ron Corbett
The Ottawa Citizen
Friday, June 27, 2003
Jan Harder says she has no intention of retracting her controversial comments about "non-whites" coming into the suburban community of Barrhaven to cause trouble.
The councillor for Bell-South Nepean also said yesterday if an election were held today, "I'd beat Bob Chiarelli and his team. He has run for cover on this issue and people are getting fed up."
Ms. Harder made her comments a day after the city's equity and diversity advisory committee asked her to retract the "non-whites" comments, calling them "unhelpful and inappropriate." The committee also said the words had "caused a lot of pain and anguish."
"I'll tell you who suffered a lot of pain because of this incident," Ms. Harder fired back to the committee yesterday.
"It is the young man who was stabbed. I know him. I know his family very well, and I can tell you that this was not a slashing. This was a stabbing. He received a 4 1/2-inch-deep wound. He nearly lost a kidney.
"No, I'm not going to retract the freaking truth. Why should I?"
The stabbing of the 22-year-old man took place in front of the Walter Baker Centre on June 5.
The annual Barrhaven Days festival was taking place, and Ms. Harder said a large group of people who did not live in the community arrived that night. She said they were carrying baseball bats and other weapons.
In an interview with Nepean This Week, the outspoken ward councillor said, "the problem arises when a large group of -- I'm going to say it--non-whites come into our community looking to cause trouble."
Ms. Harder expressed the same sentiments in an earlier interview with Stephanie Matteis of CityDesk, the Rogers Cable program sponsored by the Citizen.
The comments have caused a firestorm of debate and controversy throughout the city. Fellow Councillor Alex Cullen called the comments "racist -- there's no ifs, ands or buts." The visible minority action committee asked police to investigate Ms. Harder for possible hate crimes. (Police said earlier this week no charges would be laid.)
Other councillors, though, have defended Ms. Harder.
Goulbourn Councillor Janet Stavinga called Ms. Harder one of the "hardest-working" members of council, and said she regrets the focus has been to "bring that person down."
Ms. Harder said the focus should be on youth crime and how to combat it -- a problem she says her constituents are becoming increasingly worried about -- and not on what she said during an interview.
The councillor said youth crime is a serious problem in her ward, and that two nights ago there was another incident in the park behind the Walter Baker Centre, once again started by a gang of youths and adults coming in from another part of the city.
She said the problems around the Walter Baker Centre are common to many communities in Ottawa. There are problems in South Keys. In Britannia. In shopping centres and transit stations across the region. In city parks and on bikepaths.
She said people are tired of the swarmings, the stabbings, the petty muggings. Tired of not feeling safe in their own community.
She said she has spent as much time as any other councillor trying to find solutions to these problems.
She works closely with police. With OC Transpo. With various community groups, property managers and school principals.
She has taken the issue of youth crime seriously, and she believes she has done some good work.
Now she is being called a racist and a fear monger, because of her comments.
"It's just gone crazy, " said Ms. Harder, "and the real issues have been lost. The police have a plan, an excellent plan, to deal with these problems. Instead, we're talking about two freaking words I said."
She said the whole experience has left such a bad taste in her mouth, she is considering leaving politics.
When asked how serious she is about that, she replied: "I don't know what I'm going to do. I know this isn't the job I signed on for. I'm going to take a holiday next week and give it some thought.
"If someone can be attacked like this, just for saying the freaking truth, I really don't know if I want to be a part of that anymore."
Ron Corbett can be reached at 596-8813 or by e-mail at rcorbett@thecitizen.canwest.com
2003-07-02 00:52 | User Profile
Did Prodigal Son even POST on this thread? :huh:
2003-07-02 02:00 | User Profile
Originally posted by 2600@Jul 2 2003, 00:52 * Did Prodigal Son even POST on this thread? :huh:*
See Continuation Thread
[url=http://forum.originaldissent.com/index.php?act=ST&f=12&t=8973&view=getlastpost]See "Rban, OD, Slav's and Hindu Superiority"[/url]
2003-07-02 03:50 | User Profile
**Ms. Harder made her comments a day after the city's equity and diversity advisory committee asked her to retract the "non-whites" comments, calling them "unhelpful and inappropriate." The committee also said the words had "caused a lot of pain and anguish."
"I'll tell you who suffered a lot of pain because of this incident," Ms. Harder fired back to the committee yesterday. "It is the young man who was stabbed. I can tell you that this was not a slashing. This was a stabbing. He received a 4 1/2-inch-deep wound. He nearly lost a kidney."**
The great triumph of the Jew is the now-common perception that the Truth is like the Constitution: unknowable, elastic, best left to licensed experts to decipher & explain to us. What might seem to be the most evident of true things to the layman (thus goyishe) eye - for instance, Ms Harder's comments above - this is only seeming truth, and based in narrow-mindedness, territorialism and, of course, institutional racism. In other words, that old, now-discredited "2 + 2 + 4" sort of literal White Man's Truth that today's semitized intellectiual knows to peer beyond. Why 2 and 2 - who said so? - that is the question!
In other words, telling the truth will hang Harder unless she's made of sterner stuff. Now she must play the game of "Take it back or we kill you."
She said the whole experience has left such a bad taste in her mouth, she is considering leaving politics. "I don't know what I'm going to do. I know this isn't the job I signed on for. I'm going to take a holiday next week and give it some thought."
Ah well. That was fast.
Note to all future & would-be politicians: unless you are already secretly convinced of/committed to white nationalism, don't bother blurting out statements like this. The most perilous form of racial awakening is that which is accomplished while holding public office.
"She may be racist, but she's truthful," Mr. Racine's friend, J.L. Jarvis added.
Exactly. But we've already established that truth is no defense, so next please! If racism is truth, then truth must be outlawed.....to prevent "racism".
The police have a plan, an excellent plan, to deal with these problems. Instead, we're talking about two freaking words I said.
If the two words were "boat tickets", you'd have the best plan of all.